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Greg Esres

16/01/2006 11:40 AM

Card Scraper: Am I doing this right?

Burnished my first card scraper yesterday and tried it on a scrap
piece of pine. The shavings I'm producing are powdery, though bigger
than what I get via sanding, but there are very few identifiable
"curls". It *does* work, though it took 100 passes or so to remove a
small, shallow scratch in the piece of pine. The scraper certainly
doesn't get hot, as some people describe.

I see that some have mentioned that soft woods aren't the best to
scrape, but I don't know what the results should look like. Should I
see something better?

Thanks


This topic has 13 replies

rh

"robo hippy"

in reply to Greg Esres on 16/01/2006 11:40 AM

16/01/2006 11:07 AM

Dave,
I found out after a lot of trial and error that there are a few tricks
to getting a servicable edge on the card scraper. I discovered that
when I would redo the old egde (lay it down on the bench flat, use the
burnishing tool to stand the edge back up, then with the card upright,
reburnish the old edge again) I would get a better edge than I had to
start. I then read one guy's method of burnishing a new edge was to lay
it flat first and burnish, then stand it up and burnish the cutting
edge. This seems to work a lot better. Also, the harder the wood, the
slicker the surface will be when you are done. Also do be prepared to
get your fingers blistered. These things get hot.
robo hippy

Bm

"Bugs"

in reply to Greg Esres on 16/01/2006 11:40 AM

17/01/2006 5:22 AM

You got a good start but need to practice making the hook. DIY
Woodworking occasionally shows David Marks scraping a board with
beautiful fine shavings rolling off the wood. A blunt scraper that only
raises dust also has its uses. Broken glass also makes a good scraper
of that type.
Bugs

f

in reply to Greg Esres on 16/01/2006 11:40 AM

17/01/2006 12:54 PM


Greg Esres wrote:
> Burnished my first card scraper yesterday and tried it on a scrap
> piece of pine. The shavings I'm producing are powdery, though bigger
> than what I get via sanding, but there are very few identifiable
> "curls". It *does* work, though it took 100 passes or so to remove a
> small, shallow scratch in the piece of pine. The scraper certainly
> doesn't get hot, as some people describe.
>
> I see that some have mentioned that soft woods aren't the best to
> scrape, but I don't know what the results should look like. Should I
> see something better?
>

What you describe sounds typical for pine. Planing is reputed
to produce a better surface on softwoods and that's how it
seems to work for me too.

Try some maple, cherry, and poplar. In my experiencs poplar
both planes and scrapes beautifully.

Scrapers are also supposed to be problematical on extremely
hard woods but I've no experience scraping ebony or rosewood.

A scraper can be tuned so finely that it will remove one layer of
paint,
lexposing another layer underneath, or course enough to take the knife

marks out of a cutting board with a dozen strokes or so.

--

FF

MD

"Morris Dovey"

in reply to Greg Esres on 16/01/2006 11:40 AM

16/01/2006 11:49 AM

Greg Esres (in [email protected]) said:

| Burnished my first card scraper yesterday and tried it on a scrap
| piece of pine. The shavings I'm producing are powdery, though
| bigger than what I get via sanding, but there are very few
| identifiable "curls". It *does* work, though it took 100 passes or
| so to remove a small, shallow scratch in the piece of pine. The
| scraper certainly doesn't get hot, as some people describe.
|
| I see that some have mentioned that soft woods aren't the best to
| scrape, but I don't know what the results should look like. Should
| I see something better?

Greg...

If you jointed the edge and burnished a good hook, you should get at
least some very fine curls. Lotsa work with only powder to show for it
is usually my clue that I need to rework the edge.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

DD

David

in reply to Greg Esres on 16/01/2006 11:40 AM

16/01/2006 4:48 PM

robo hippy wrote:
> Dave,
> I found out after a lot of trial and error that there are a few tricks
> to getting a servicable edge on the card scraper. I discovered that
> when I would redo the old egde (lay it down on the bench flat, use the
> burnishing tool to stand the edge back up, then with the card upright,
> reburnish the old edge again) I would get a better edge than I had to
> start. I then read one guy's method of burnishing a new edge was to lay
> it flat first and burnish, then stand it up and burnish the cutting
> edge. This seems to work a lot better. Also, the harder the wood, the
> slicker the surface will be when you are done. Also do be prepared to
> get your fingers blistered. These things get hot.
> robo hippy
>
I do the same thing; lay it flat, burnish, put it in the vise and roll
the edge (using a Snap-On screwdriver shank).

Dave

JB

John B

in reply to Greg Esres on 16/01/2006 11:40 AM

17/01/2006 7:04 AM

Greg Esres wrote:
> <<Lotsa work with only powder to show for it
> is usually my clue that I need to rework the edge.>>
>
> <sigh> I was afraid of that. Three of my four burnished edges
> perform about the same. The first one is useless. Guess I'll have to
> file them down and try again.
>
> Thanks!
G'day Greg,
Don't just file the edge. Once you have run a file over it, use an oil
stone on the flats and edge, this will give a much sharper cutting edge
when burnished.
I only use a file every 5-6 sharpenings and a stone for every 2nd one.
Just running your burnisher along the flat a couple of times and then
rolling the edge brings back a good cut.
It takes patience and practice to obtain a good cut. Also vary the angle
you burnish at and the angle you use the scraper at until you get what
you want.
As other have said, Once you get there you'll never go back.
regards
John

Ba

B a r r y

in reply to Greg Esres on 16/01/2006 11:40 AM

16/01/2006 5:58 PM

Greg Esres wrote:
> Burnished my first card scraper yesterday and tried it on a scrap
> piece of pine.

Scrapers work best on hardwoods.

Barry

DW

"Dave W"

in reply to Greg Esres on 16/01/2006 11:40 AM

16/01/2006 1:03 PM

I would suggest trying your edge on a piece of harder wood. My own results
with pine have been very variable. Part of the problem is that the
hardness, and therefore ease of scraping varies greatly with pine. When you
get the hang of it, it will become the best tool in the shop.
Dave

GE

Greg Esres

in reply to Greg Esres on 16/01/2006 11:40 AM

16/01/2006 11:51 PM

<<Lotsa work with only powder to show for it
is usually my clue that I need to rework the edge.>>

<sigh> I was afraid of that. Three of my four burnished edges
perform about the same. The first one is useless. Guess I'll have to
file them down and try again.

Thanks!

GE

Greg Esres

in reply to Greg Esres on 16/01/2006 11:40 AM

16/01/2006 11:53 PM

<<When you get the hang of it, it will become the best tool in the
shop.>>

So I read, but it's very frustrating right now. I was hoping it'd be
easy. ;-)

I'll follow your and Barry's advice to try harder wood before I accept
that my burnishing is flawed.

Thank you.

DD

David

in reply to Greg Esres on 16/01/2006 11:40 AM

16/01/2006 10:56 AM

Dave W wrote:
> I would suggest trying your edge on a piece of harder wood. My own results
> with pine have been very variable. Part of the problem is that the
> hardness, and therefore ease of scraping varies greatly with pine. When you
> get the hang of it, it will become the best tool in the shop.
> Dave
>
>
A scraper card is your BEST tool? <g>

dave

DD

David

in reply to Greg Esres on 16/01/2006 11:40 AM

16/01/2006 10:58 AM

David wrote:

> A scraper card is your BEST tool? <g>
>
> dave
ah, card scraper; not scraper card. guess I'm not fully awake. <g>

Dave

sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to Greg Esres on 16/01/2006 11:40 AM

17/01/2006 12:42 PM

In article <[email protected]>, "robo hippy" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Also do be prepared to
>get your fingers blistered. These things get hot.

Solution: the Veritas Scraper Holder.
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=32669&cat=1,310
It's also a whole lot easier on the joints, especially in that it enables you
to *pull* the scraper instead of pushing it.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.


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