"Vic Baron" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> Really depends on the area. Here in Los Angeles, it depends - if you
> go to HD or Lowes - you pay TOP dollar for crap.
>
> I use a lumber yard called Swaner's Hardwood and just recently
> purchased 8/4 rough red oak at $4.25/bf, 6/4 rough red oak at $3.75/bf
> and 4/4 s4s red oak for $3.00/bf. I like them because I get to pick
> the boards I want.
>
> I would bet that you folks on the east coast get it much cheaper.
>
> Vic
>
Around here, the big boxes are right in line with what the local
hardwoods store has. Might as well not bother making a 45 minute drive
for the same oaks and poplars.
Hey, do any of these hardwood stores have Black Friday sales?
Puckdropper
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On Nov 18, 8:26=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:bbaac0c6-2c83-4e32-ba94-1cd632522bd5@f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> SNIP
>
> hard to keep his customers happy.
>
>
>
> > Hardwood - The SE Kansas and SW Missouri area is full of Oak, Walnut,
> > Pecan, Hickory and similar hardwoods. =A0I don't believe the prices for
> > these materials has changed much in the past three years. =A0However I
> > did pick up 150 bf of Red Oak a couple of weeks ago and it was
> > slightly cheaper than the mills price list. =A0But based on
> > conversation, I think he gave us a good price knowing we would be
> > back. =A0In other words, they were feeling the pinch too.
>
> > We have two local "cabinet shops" and both are very busy. =A0O
>
> In the last 6 weeks I have purchased close to 100 BF of Red Oak for $1.99
> per BF,, =A0Basically S4S. =A0Basically, because it is still random width=
but
> both edges and sides are parallel and relatively smooth. =A0If you measur=
e
> 6.25" on one end, it is 6.25" on the other.
> I can get S2S Red Oak from my regular supplier for $3.10 per BF.
>
> Go figger.
Yeah, I paid $2.00 near Pierce City Mo. He sells pallets of "cabinet
oak" for $1.65/bf. These are clear, 6" wide or smaller, and 5-6'
lengths. Intended primarily for facings.
"Too_Many_Tools" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Just wondering what the price of wood is these days during the current
> recession?
>
> I see a significant number of cabinet shops going out of business due
> to low demand in the housing market.
>
> Is it up, down or what?
I've picked up the following from the business and woodshop press in recent
months: The retail price is staying about the same for hardwoods as supply
has decreased in response to the demand decrease... Softwoods, like SPF
framing lumber, dropped quite a bit initially as there was a lot of cut or
milled inventory and supply exceeded demand. As supply came into line with
demand the prices have stabilized at a lower level that what it was 2-3
years ago. ...and there are the local issues. Around here you almost
couldn't give away standing pine last year... I was given hundreds of board
feet of rough cut, nearly clear, 4/4 x 8 x 10' boards.
On Nov 19, 8:37=A0am, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com>
wrote:
> On 19 Nov 2009 04:31:55 GMT, the infamous Puckdropper
> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> scrawled the following:
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Vic Baron" <[email protected]> wrote in
> >news:[email protected]:
>
> >> Really depends on the area. Here in Los Angeles, it depends - if you
> >> go to HD or Lowes - you pay TOP dollar for crap.
>
> >> I use a lumber yard called Swaner's Hardwood and just recently
> >> purchased 8/4 rough red oak at $4.25/bf, 6/4 rough red oak at $3.75/bf
> >> and 4/4 s4s red oak for $3.00/bf. I like them because I get to pick
> >> the boards I want.
>
> >> I would bet that you folks on the east coast get it much cheaper.
>
> >> Vic
>
> >Around here, the big boxes are right in line with what the local
> >hardwoods store has. =A0Might as well not bother making a 45 minute driv=
e
> >for the same oaks and poplars.
>
> >Hey, do any of these hardwood stores have Black Friday sales?
>
> OMG! =A0Can you imagine the carnage? =A0Just think, all those bloodthirst=
y
> wooddorkers out there, shoving to get inside to the sale, hacking off
> arms and heads with their Dewally portable 18v chainsaws to reduce the
> competition. =A0Once inside, they'd be marking their territory. =A0Oh the
> uric humanity!
>
> --
> When we are planning for posterity,
> we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Thomas=
Paine- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hmm...I wonder how high I could mark? ;<)
TMT
On Nov 18, 7:47=A0am, RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
> We are in late stages of finishing out a house in Southeast Kansas.
> We dug the hole last August and moved in, unfinished, during March
> When you break "wood" into categories of construction lumber and
> finish hardwood products prices are generally down from our bids of
> 16-18 months ago.
>
> Construction Lumber - All dimensional lumber (2x4, 2x6, etc) was
> delivered cheaper than bid. =A0Recent trips to the lumber yard seems to
> indicate prices have dropped even more since last autumn, but not
> much. =A0Nearly all of the sheet goods (Ply, OSB, etc,) was delivered at
> the bid price. =A0I credit part of the price decline to a very good
> lumber dealer who works hard to keep his customers happy.
>
> Hardwood - The SE Kansas and SW Missouri area is full of Oak, Walnut,
> Pecan, Hickory and similar hardwoods. =A0I don't believe the prices for
> these materials has changed much in the past three years. =A0However I
> did pick up 150 bf of Red Oak a couple of weeks ago and it was
> slightly cheaper than the mills price list. =A0But based on
> conversation, I think he gave us a good price knowing we would be
> back. =A0In other words, they were feeling the pinch too.
>
> We have two local "cabinet shops" and both are very busy. =A0O
Weird. That message sent itself in the middle of a keystroke.
We have two local "cabinet shops" and both are very busy. One is a
small family-run operation that has a good reputation across the four-
state region. His wife said they think they are picking up slack for
some shops that have gone under. The serve new home builders as well
as schools, businesses, etc.
The other is an anomaly. In this tiny, land-locked community in the
dead-center of the continent, we have a company that builds interiors
for yachts. Apparently they are among a fairly small number of
companies in the world that do this kind of work and it is eye-
popping. Their cabinetry goes into boats in the $2M and up range and
they have outfitted some in the $40M range. In addition to
cabinetwork they do a lot of the project management that it takes to
get a yacht into the water. They travel world-wide to meet with
customers, usually the yacht manufacturers. A year ago one of they
were thinking they were recession-proof. One of their guys said "Folks
who can lay out $10 to $40M on a yacht aren't worried about the price
of gas or food." I don't think they would say that again but they do
remain quiet busy with plans to expand during the next fairly soon.
"RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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SNIP
hard to keep his customers happy.
>
> Hardwood - The SE Kansas and SW Missouri area is full of Oak, Walnut,
> Pecan, Hickory and similar hardwoods. I don't believe the prices for
> these materials has changed much in the past three years. However I
> did pick up 150 bf of Red Oak a couple of weeks ago and it was
> slightly cheaper than the mills price list. But based on
> conversation, I think he gave us a good price knowing we would be
> back. In other words, they were feeling the pinch too.
>
> We have two local "cabinet shops" and both are very busy. O
In the last 6 weeks I have purchased close to 100 BF of Red Oak for $1.99
per BF,, Basically S4S. Basically, because it is still random width but
both edges and sides are parallel and relatively smooth. If you measure
6.25" on one end, it is 6.25" on the other.
I can get S2S Red Oak from my regular supplier for $3.10 per BF.
Go figger.
"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Vic Baron" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> Really depends on the area. Here in Los Angeles, it depends - if you
>> go to HD or Lowes - you pay TOP dollar for crap.
>>
>> I use a lumber yard called Swaner's Hardwood and just recently
>> purchased 8/4 rough red oak at $4.25/bf, 6/4 rough red oak at $3.75/bf
>> and 4/4 s4s red oak for $3.00/bf. I like them because I get to pick
>> the boards I want.
>>
>> I would bet that you folks on the east coast get it much cheaper.
>>
>> Vic
>>
>
> Around here, the big boxes are right in line with what the local
> hardwoods store has. Might as well not bother making a 45 minute drive
> for the same oaks and poplars.
>
> Hey, do any of these hardwood stores have Black Friday sales?
Curtis Lumber in Ballston Spa NY has a Halloween sale on all of their
hardwoods regardless of source...
John
On Nov 18, 8:28=A0pm, "John Grossbohlin"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "Too_Many_Tools" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:9e55fcd2-5706-4ecc-b243-df47407b8565@e31g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Just wondering what the price of wood is these days during the current
> > recession?
>
> > I see a significant number of cabinet shops going out of business due
> > to low demand in the housing market.
>
> > Is it up, down or what?
>
> I've picked up the following from the business and woodshop press in rece=
nt
> months: The retail price is staying about the same for hardwoods as suppl=
y
> has decreased in response to the demand decrease... Softwoods, like SPF
> framing lumber, dropped quite a bit initially as there was a lot of cut o=
r
> milled inventory and supply exceeded demand. As supply came into line wit=
h
> demand the prices have stabilized at a lower level that what it was 2-3
> years ago. ...and there are the local issues. Around here you almost
> couldn't give away standing pine last year... I was given hundreds of boa=
rd
> feet of rough cut, nearly clear, 4/4 x 8 x 10' boards.
I just noticed the local BORG had 3/4 (23/32") AC ply for $23 a sheet
the other night. It was just under $50 last summer.
We are in late stages of finishing out a house in Southeast Kansas.
We dug the hole last August and moved in, unfinished, during March
When you break "wood" into categories of construction lumber and
finish hardwood products prices are generally down from our bids of
16-18 months ago.
Construction Lumber - All dimensional lumber (2x4, 2x6, etc) was
delivered cheaper than bid. Recent trips to the lumber yard seems to
indicate prices have dropped even more since last autumn, but not
much. Nearly all of the sheet goods (Ply, OSB, etc,) was delivered at
the bid price. I credit part of the price decline to a very good
lumber dealer who works hard to keep his customers happy.
Hardwood - The SE Kansas and SW Missouri area is full of Oak, Walnut,
Pecan, Hickory and similar hardwoods. I don't believe the prices for
these materials has changed much in the past three years. However I
did pick up 150 bf of Red Oak a couple of weeks ago and it was
slightly cheaper than the mills price list. But based on
conversation, I think he gave us a good price knowing we would be
back. In other words, they were feeling the pinch too.
We have two local "cabinet shops" and both are very busy. O
"Too_Many_Tools" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:9e55fcd2-5706-4ecc-b243-df47407b8565@e31g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> Just wondering what the price of wood is these days during the current
> recession?
>
> I see a significant number of cabinet shops going out of business due
> to low demand in the housing market.
>
> Is it up, down or what?
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> TMT
Really depends on the area. Here in Los Angeles, it depends - if you go to
HD or Lowes - you pay TOP dollar for crap.
I use a lumber yard called Swaner's Hardwood and just recently purchased 8/4
rough red oak at $4.25/bf, 6/4 rough red oak at $3.75/bf and 4/4 s4s red oak
for $3.00/bf. I like them because I get to pick the boards I want.
I would bet that you folks on the east coast get it much cheaper.
Vic
http://www.woodweb.com/Resources/RSLumberBuyingGuide.html
Note: 1,000bf prices, but you can get a general idea of
what retail prices "should" be based on these numbers.
Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> Just wondering what the price of wood is these days during the current
> recession?
>
> I see a significant number of cabinet shops going out of business due
> to low demand in the housing market.
>
> Is it up, down or what?
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> TMT
"Too_Many_Tools" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Just wondering what the price of wood is these days during the current
> recession?
>
> I see a significant number of cabinet shops going out of business due
> to low demand in the housing market.
Do cabinet shops use wood? I thought they used man-made stuff.
I'm sorry to hear about any of them going out of business... : (
>
> Is it up, down or what?
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> TMT
"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Vic Baron" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>>
>>> Really depends on the area. Here in Los Angeles, it depends - if you
>>> go to HD or Lowes - you pay TOP dollar for crap.
>>>
>>> I use a lumber yard called Swaner's Hardwood and just recently
>>> purchased 8/4 rough red oak at $4.25/bf, 6/4 rough red oak at $3.75/bf
>>> and 4/4 s4s red oak for $3.00/bf. I like them because I get to pick
>>> the boards I want.
>>>
>>> I would bet that you folks on the east coast get it much cheaper.
>>>
>>> Vic
>>>
>>
>> Around here, the big boxes are right in line with what the local
>> hardwoods store has. Might as well not bother making a 45 minute drive
>> for the same oaks and poplars.
>>
>> Hey, do any of these hardwood stores have Black Friday sales?
>
> Curtis Lumber in Ballston Spa NY has a Halloween sale on all of their
> hardwoods regardless of source...
>
> John
does it take affect about 11 months from now?
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:41:10 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Just wondering what the price of wood is these days during the current
>recession?
>
>I see a significant number of cabinet shops going out of business due
>to low demand in the housing market.
>
>Is it up, down or what?
>
>Thanks for the info.
>
>TMT
I have found that wood prices greatly vary, depending on where you get
it. Some are $0 per board foot, some way overpriced. There are good
deals to be found, but that is largely opportunity. Recently, got a
great deal on a load of butternut (about $3 bf). A lot of supply and
demand in buying/selling wood. Cherry seems to be holding demand,
better values in maples, oaks and walnut.
On 19 Nov 2009 04:31:55 GMT, the infamous Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> scrawled the following:
>"Vic Baron" <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> Really depends on the area. Here in Los Angeles, it depends - if you
>> go to HD or Lowes - you pay TOP dollar for crap.
>>
>> I use a lumber yard called Swaner's Hardwood and just recently
>> purchased 8/4 rough red oak at $4.25/bf, 6/4 rough red oak at $3.75/bf
>> and 4/4 s4s red oak for $3.00/bf. I like them because I get to pick
>> the boards I want.
>>
>> I would bet that you folks on the east coast get it much cheaper.
>>
>> Vic
>>
>
>Around here, the big boxes are right in line with what the local
>hardwoods store has. Might as well not bother making a 45 minute drive
>for the same oaks and poplars.
>
>Hey, do any of these hardwood stores have Black Friday sales?
OMG! Can you imagine the carnage? Just think, all those bloodthirsty
wooddorkers out there, shoving to get inside to the sale, hacking off
arms and heads with their Dewally portable 18v chainsaws to reduce the
competition. Once inside, they'd be marking their territory. Oh the
uric humanity!
--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine
"charlie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "Vic Baron" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Really depends on the area. Here in Los Angeles, it depends - if you
>>>> go to HD or Lowes - you pay TOP dollar for crap.
>>>>
>>>> I use a lumber yard called Swaner's Hardwood and just recently
>>>> purchased 8/4 rough red oak at $4.25/bf, 6/4 rough red oak at $3.75/bf
>>>> and 4/4 s4s red oak for $3.00/bf. I like them because I get to pick
>>>> the boards I want.
>>>>
>>>> I would bet that you folks on the east coast get it much cheaper.
>>>>
>>>> Vic
>>>>
>>>
>>> Around here, the big boxes are right in line with what the local
>>> hardwoods store has. Might as well not bother making a 45 minute drive
>>> for the same oaks and poplars.
>>>
>>> Hey, do any of these hardwood stores have Black Friday sales?
>>
>> Curtis Lumber in Ballston Spa NY has a Halloween sale on all of their
>> hardwoods regardless of source...
>>
>> John
>
> does it take affect about 11 months from now?
>
Yup... every year about the same time. Show up in costume and they increase
the discount.
John
RonB wrote:
> We have two local "cabinet shops" and both are very busy. One is a
> small family-run operation that has a good reputation across the four-
> state region. His wife said they think they are picking up slack for
> some shops that have gone under.
That's a common story in the construction business. The good guys are
staying busy with the slack left by the opportunist's who were forced
out by the the downturn.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
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"Too_Many_Tools" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:9e55fcd2-5706-4ecc-b243-df47407b8565@e31g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> Just wondering what the price of wood is these days during the current
> recession?
>
> I see a significant number of cabinet shops going out of business due
> to low demand in the housing market.
>
> Is it up, down or what?
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> TMT
It still seems to be all about location, concerning price. I have been
stocking up on wood cheaper than I can remember ever paying anywhere from
what I consider to be one of the highest priced places to buy wood.
And some of the places that have always been high are higher still.