Going to be making my first table saw purchase, been reading a lot of the
posts in here, it seems many people speak very highly of Grizzly so I have
been looking at this saw:
G0444 10" Table Saw 1-1/2 HP Single-Phase 110V
http://www.grizzly.com/products/G0444
And I am also considering this saw:
RIDGID 10 In. Cast-Iron Table Saw Model TS3650
http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?prod_id=167029
The benefit of the Ridgid is I can just go down to the local HD and pick it
up, and get 12 mo same as cash....
They are both 1 1/2hp, so I was looking for some additional insight from
those who have personal experience with either saw...
Thanks in advance for any advice.
And everybody has opinions, just not a never ending supply of money.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 6 May 2006 02:11:23 -0400, "TBM" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>I have been looking at tablesaws also. They all seem to have there
>>> advantages and disadvantages. Have you heard of SawStop table saws?
>>> They are online. They are kind of pricey but they can stop a major
>>> accident from happening (like your finger getting cut off) it might be
>>> worth taking a look at. Just another option for you to consider.
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>
>>I have considered the Sawstop, unfortunately the cabinet saw is not within
>>my budget, and the contractor saw has been "pending" for eternity...
>>
>
> Having read all of the horror stories about the Delta X series 10"
> cabinet saws, and how the extension tables are warped, I decided to go
> with the Grizzly G1023SL Left-Tilting and the Shop Fox Mobile Base.
> Fortunately, I live only 30 miles from Grizzly and am able to go
> directly to the show room and look at the equipment. Luckily money was
> no object and I could have picked any one I wanted. Loaded this saw up
> and took it home.
>
> Set up was a breeze. Instructions very clear. Adjusting the table
> extensions is easy if you follow Grizzly instructions. No shimming
> required to level the extensions. I learned at that point that there
> is not flat table extensions you make flat during the adjustment
> process. Extra long power cord about 15'. Only problem is the
> mounting rails for the Shop Fox Classic fence are not flat need to
> have one of them machined flat. Indicator runout on the arbor was less
> than .0005". Parallel to the miter slot. All screw holes line up
> perfectly does not require any filing, drilling, etc.
>
> This saw runs like a jewel. Cuts "square to the world". Knowing what
> I know now I would pay shipping if I had to.
>
> Remember, Ridgid is known for its products related to the plumbing.
> industry.
>
> Turbotommy
I have been looking at tablesaws also. They all seem to have there
advantages and disadvantages. Have you heard of SawStop table saws?
They are online. They are kind of pricey but they can stop a major
accident from happening (like your finger getting cut off) it might be
worth taking a look at. Just another option for you to consider.
Rich
I have the 220 volt Grizzly and am happy with it. The Ridgid is
probably just as good in general. I suggest that you check to see how
easily the blade cover-splitter comes off on the Ridgid as compared
with the one on the Grizzly. I use mine all the time except when I take
it off to use a sliding cross-cut box, so you want a safety that comes
easily on-off.
Both saws are pretty good saws. If you can run them at 220v (which
both of these saws can be wired up for), I would do that. You will get
quicker motor starts which dramatically helps the life of the saw.
If you are down to looking at delivery options, which only happens one
time, as a deciding factor go with the Rigid and pick up a Diablo blade
at HD while you are there. A good sharp blade is just as important as
anything else.
I got a Grizzly 10" this spring, G576 I think. Only down side is no
wheels, but that can be fixed easily. But their Customer Service SUX
in my opinion. I ended up so pissed at them that I bought a Delta
jointer and plainer. Would have probably gotten another saw except
that the kids had given me gift certs. But that aside, the saw works
well.
Charlie H. wrote:
> I shopped for saws in February and considered these saws at that time
> especially the Rigid.
> Looks like the Grizzly is a right tilt blade (if that matters to you).
> The Rigid is a left tilt blade (generally considered safer since the blade
> tilts away from the fence).
> The Grizzly fence is a scaled down version of the Beismeyer design.
> I thought the Rigid fence was a notch below but very acceptable in this
> price range.
> Rigid comes on wheels so if that is important to you it saves money.
> If I recall correctly the extension wings are cast iron, plus they are flat
> so the saw can double as an assembly table when you need a flat surface to
> reference to.
> All things considered for me, I would choose the Rigid between these two.
> If your budget can stand it this is the saw I chose and I am very happy with
> it.
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007ZJ6W6/ref=pd_luc_23_lc_a4391x35_r2c1_a1_t/102-7923816-4841743?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=228013
> Basically the same fence as the Grizzly, flat cast iron table extensions,
> motor inside of cabinet so it fits against wall when not in use, good dust
> collection, operates on 120v, the freight company delivered it into my
> garage (Grizzly specifically says to the curb).
> Good luck,
> Charlie
>
> "TBM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Going to be making my first table saw purchase, been reading a lot of the
> > posts in here, it seems many people speak very highly of Grizzly so I have
> > been looking at this saw:
> >
> > G0444 10" Table Saw 1-1/2 HP Single-Phase 110V
> > http://www.grizzly.com/products/G0444
> >
> > And I am also considering this saw:
> >
> > RIDGID 10 In. Cast-Iron Table Saw Model TS3650
> > http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?prod_id=167029
> >
> > The benefit of the Ridgid is I can just go down to the local HD and pick
> > it up, and get 12 mo same as cash....
> >
> > They are both 1 1/2hp, so I was looking for some additional insight from
> > those who have personal experience with either saw...
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any advice.
> >
I own all Grizzly big equipments (G5959 12" - Table Saw ), 17" Bandsaw,
20" planer, 20" drum sanders, 6" joinery, 2h.p. dust collector and
large woodlathe.. I do not find any disapointment with Grizzly as they
have done a great service.. When I need more equipment, I'd go for
Grizzly..
For the fence system.. My G5959 comes with Shopfox fence system and
it's good.. However, I took it off and use Incra Table saw fence
system.. Works like butter..
I have not heard anything bad about Ridgit and I do trust HomeDepot..
:-)
Gary Holte
Portland, Oregon
Double check the current draw on the Ridgid to verify the horsepower.
When I was choosing between the two, I recall that the Ridgid is really
only 1HP. I own the G0444Z, and I really love the Shopfox fence. IMHO,
it's better than the Ridgid.
At my skill level, I'm sure either saw would be okay for me, but I'm
glad I ended up with the Grizzly.
Good luck,
Tom
TBM wrote:
> Going to be making my first table saw purchase, been reading a lot of the
> posts in here, it seems many people speak very highly of Grizzly so I have
> been looking at this saw:
>
> G0444 10" Table Saw 1-1/2 HP Single-Phase 110V
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/G0444
>
> And I am also considering this saw:
>
> RIDGID 10 In. Cast-Iron Table Saw Model TS3650
> http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?prod_id=167029
>
> The benefit of the Ridgid is I can just go down to the local HD and pick it
> up, and get 12 mo same as cash....
>
> They are both 1 1/2hp, so I was looking for some additional insight from
> those who have personal experience with either saw...
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice.
I have the rigid contractor saw and it has performed flawlessly for 4
years. I use it most every day.. It is very smooth. No problem with
flatness. The fence is certainly adequate but I would like a bies. The
saw guard is fair, not great. Dust collection only fair but typical
for a contractor's saw. I enclosed it. For extra suction other than
my cyclone, I can put a shop vac through the little hole in the top of
the plexi guard and almost no dust comes out but I don't do that all
the time. It comes with a mobile base which has been great. Never
needed any service.
MB R
>I have the Gizzly GO586 8" jointer and I am absolutely pleased with it.
> Delivered in 4 days without a scratch, blades sharp as razors. Everything
> I've heard about Grizzly large machines is good.
>
> Truthfully I'm not that impressed with Rigid large machines. I have a Bosch
> 4000 benchtop table saw with stand I wouldn't trade for the Rigid contractor
> saw I've seen at the local Home Depot.
>
> My $0.02
>
> RangerPaul
>
I saw it there too, at our HD and I know, it just "seems" kind of "skimpy" in a way...
wouldn't want it. I think the whole impression comes from that little motor and it's
one belt(?) hanging, or sticking, out the back of the machine.
--
Alex - "newbie_neander" woodworker
cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com
not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/
I have the Grizzly 1 1/2HP and really like it. I think the ShopFox fence
that comes with the Grizzly beats the one on the Rigid hands down. I do
wish that I would have got the solid steel table wings instead of the
stamped steel ones, but I can change that later for $90.
-- Carl
"TBM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Going to be making my first table saw purchase, been reading a lot of the
> posts in here, it seems many people speak very highly of Grizzly so I have
> been looking at this saw:
>
> G0444 10" Table Saw 1-1/2 HP Single-Phase 110V
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/G0444
>
> And I am also considering this saw:
>
> RIDGID 10 In. Cast-Iron Table Saw Model TS3650
> http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?prod_id=167029
>
> The benefit of the Ridgid is I can just go down to the local HD and pick
> it up, and get 12 mo same as cash....
>
> They are both 1 1/2hp, so I was looking for some additional insight from
> those who have personal experience with either saw...
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice.
>
"Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I have been looking at tablesaws also. They all seem to have there
> advantages and disadvantages. Have you heard of SawStop table saws?
> They are online. They are kind of pricey but they can stop a major
> accident from happening (like your finger getting cut off) it might be
> worth taking a look at. Just another option for you to consider.
>
> Rich
>
I have considered the Sawstop, unfortunately the cabinet saw is not within
my budget, and the contractor saw has been "pending" for eternity...
Mike Berger wrote:
> You can arrange for delivery any way you want -- it probably won't cost
> extra to have them drop it in your garage if it's easily accessible.
> Grizzly will help with the accomodation.
>
> Charlie H. wrote:
>
>> Basically the same fence as the Grizzly, flat cast iron table
>> extensions, motor inside of cabinet so it fits against wall when not
>> in use, good dust collection, operates on 120v, the freight company
>> delivered it into my garage (Grizzly specifically says to the curb).
I'll second that: I haven't read any complaints about Grizzly's
delivery here, and I don't have any to report myself. My ($300lb.)
purchase was wheeled inside my place on delivery.
The driver had to wheel it over to the alley and back to get it on the
sidewalk, and there was a lift on the truck.
er
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On Sat, 6 May 2006 02:11:23 -0400, "TBM" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>I have been looking at tablesaws also. They all seem to have there
>> advantages and disadvantages. Have you heard of SawStop table saws?
>> They are online. They are kind of pricey but they can stop a major
>> accident from happening (like your finger getting cut off) it might be
>> worth taking a look at. Just another option for you to consider.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>
>I have considered the Sawstop, unfortunately the cabinet saw is not within
>my budget, and the contractor saw has been "pending" for eternity...
>
Having read all of the horror stories about the Delta X series 10"
cabinet saws, and how the extension tables are warped, I decided to go
with the Grizzly G1023SL Left-Tilting and the Shop Fox Mobile Base.
Fortunately, I live only 30 miles from Grizzly and am able to go
directly to the show room and look at the equipment. Luckily money was
no object and I could have picked any one I wanted. Loaded this saw up
and took it home.
Set up was a breeze. Instructions very clear. Adjusting the table
extensions is easy if you follow Grizzly instructions. No shimming
required to level the extensions. I learned at that point that there
is not flat table extensions you make flat during the adjustment
process. Extra long power cord about 15'. Only problem is the
mounting rails for the Shop Fox Classic fence are not flat need to
have one of them machined flat. Indicator runout on the arbor was less
than .0005". Parallel to the miter slot. All screw holes line up
perfectly does not require any filing, drilling, etc.
This saw runs like a jewel. Cuts "square to the world". Knowing what
I know now I would pay shipping if I had to.
Remember, Ridgid is known for its products related to the plumbing.
industry.
Turbotommy
I shopped for saws in February and considered these saws at that time
especially the Rigid.
Looks like the Grizzly is a right tilt blade (if that matters to you).
The Rigid is a left tilt blade (generally considered safer since the blade
tilts away from the fence).
The Grizzly fence is a scaled down version of the Beismeyer design.
I thought the Rigid fence was a notch below but very acceptable in this
price range.
Rigid comes on wheels so if that is important to you it saves money.
If I recall correctly the extension wings are cast iron, plus they are flat
so the saw can double as an assembly table when you need a flat surface to
reference to.
All things considered for me, I would choose the Rigid between these two.
If your budget can stand it this is the saw I chose and I am very happy with
it.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007ZJ6W6/ref=pd_luc_23_lc_a4391x35_r2c1_a1_t/102-7923816-4841743?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=228013
Basically the same fence as the Grizzly, flat cast iron table extensions,
motor inside of cabinet so it fits against wall when not in use, good dust
collection, operates on 120v, the freight company delivered it into my
garage (Grizzly specifically says to the curb).
Good luck,
Charlie
"TBM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Going to be making my first table saw purchase, been reading a lot of the
> posts in here, it seems many people speak very highly of Grizzly so I have
> been looking at this saw:
>
> G0444 10" Table Saw 1-1/2 HP Single-Phase 110V
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/G0444
>
> And I am also considering this saw:
>
> RIDGID 10 In. Cast-Iron Table Saw Model TS3650
> http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?prod_id=167029
>
> The benefit of the Ridgid is I can just go down to the local HD and pick
> it up, and get 12 mo same as cash....
>
> They are both 1 1/2hp, so I was looking for some additional insight from
> those who have personal experience with either saw...
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice.
>
On Sat, 6 May 2006 00:43:37 -0400, "TBM" <[email protected]> wrote:
>RIDGID 10 In. Cast-Iron Table Saw Model TS3650
>http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?prod_id=167029
I haven't used the Grizzly, but I just got one of the Ridgid TS3650s
for a friend and I was extremely impressed with it. It hasn't had a
ton of use yet (he's only had it a week) but so far, it's cut
everything beautifully and it went together like a dream.
Get the G0444Z. I have it and love it. I also got the extension with legs.
The fence is DEAD on. The only criticism I would give it is I wish there was
a micro adjust knob on it. It beats all the other contractor saws hands
down and the price is right.
"Carl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:3Y17g.4336$_c1.3172@fed1read05...
>I have the Grizzly 1 1/2HP and really like it. I think the ShopFox fence
>that comes with the Grizzly beats the one on the Rigid hands down. I do
>wish that I would have got the solid steel table wings instead of the
>stamped steel ones, but I can change that later for $90.
>
> -- Carl
>
> "TBM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Going to be making my first table saw purchase, been reading a lot of the
>> posts in here, it seems many people speak very highly of Grizzly so I
>> have been looking at this saw:
>>
>> G0444 10" Table Saw 1-1/2 HP Single-Phase 110V
>> http://www.grizzly.com/products/G0444
>>
>> And I am also considering this saw:
>>
>> RIDGID 10 In. Cast-Iron Table Saw Model TS3650
>> http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?prod_id=167029
>>
>> The benefit of the Ridgid is I can just go down to the local HD and pick
>> it up, and get 12 mo same as cash....
>>
>> They are both 1 1/2hp, so I was looking for some additional insight from
>> those who have personal experience with either saw...
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any advice.
>>
>
>
I have the Gizzly GO586 8" jointer and I am absolutely pleased with it.
Delivered in 4 days without a scratch, blades sharp as razors. Everything
I've heard about Grizzly large machines is good.
Truthfully I'm not that impressed with Rigid large machines. I have a Bosch
4000 benchtop table saw with stand I wouldn't trade for the Rigid contractor
saw I've seen at the local Home Depot.
My $0.02
RangerPaul
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"AAvK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:jWs7g.3203$_m5.3141@fed1read09...
>
> Naw, poor as I am I couldn't settle for anything less than this one,
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/G0576 For as much as I have read over the
> last year and a half from this group and it's reference links,
> the features are proper in all respects for this level of a saw. The
> money difference is worth it, but not for saving, or spending less to
> save $120, in the long run. I like the built in rollers on the other one,
> but it's the same lower level of saw.
>
> --
> Alex - "newbie_neander" woodworker
> cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com
> not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/
You can arrange for delivery any way you want -- it probably won't cost
extra to have them drop it in your garage if it's easily accessible.
Grizzly will help with the accomodation.
Charlie H. wrote:
> Basically the same fence as the Grizzly, flat cast iron table extensions,
> motor inside of cabinet so it fits against wall when not in use, good dust
> collection, operates on 120v, the freight company delivered it into my
> garage (Grizzly specifically says to the curb).
Naw, poor as I am I couldn't settle for anything less than this one,
http://www.grizzly.com/products/G0576 For as much as I have read
over the last year and a half from this group and it's reference links,
the features are proper in all respects for this level of a saw. The
money difference is worth it, but not for saving, or spending less to
save $120, in the long run. I like the built in rollers on the other one,
but it's the same lower level of saw.
--
Alex - "newbie_neander" woodworker
cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com
not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/
On Thu, 11 May 2006 04:35:50 -0700, "AAvK" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I saw it there too, at our HD and I know, it just "seems" kind of "skimpy" in a way...
>wouldn't want it. I think the whole impression comes from that little motor and it's
>one belt(?) hanging, or sticking, out the back of the machine.
Uh.. you just described every contractor saw in existence. The ridgid
has a multi grooved belt that's better than the usual belt you find on
contractor saws. The stand has a little flex in it if you twist the
top, but has no effect that I can discern in use. Still quite happy
with mine after a year.
-Leuf
On 6 May 2006 06:41:19 -0700, "Stu" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I have the 220 volt Grizzly and am happy with it. The Ridgid is
>probably just as good in general. I suggest that you check to see how
>easily the blade cover-splitter comes off on the Ridgid as compared
>with the one on the Grizzly. I use mine all the time except when I take
>it off to use a sliding cross-cut box, so you want a safety that comes
>easily on-off.
The Ridgid blade guard, once you have it set up properly, comes off by
loosening a single thumb screw and goes back on, still aligned. The
whole operation takes about 3 seconds.
On Sat, 6 May 2006 00:43:37 -0400, "TBM" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Going to be making my first table saw purchase, been reading a lot of the
>posts in here, it seems many people speak very highly of Grizzly so I have
>been looking at this saw:
>
>G0444 10" Table Saw 1-1/2 HP Single-Phase 110V
>http://www.grizzly.com/products/G0444
>
>And I am also considering this saw:
>
>RIDGID 10 In. Cast-Iron Table Saw Model TS3650
>http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?prod_id=167029
>
>The benefit of the Ridgid is I can just go down to the local HD and pick it
>up, and get 12 mo same as cash....
>
>They are both 1 1/2hp, so I was looking for some additional insight from
>those who have personal experience with either saw...
>
>Thanks in advance for any advice.
>
Tough call for me-
I use some Rigid hand tools and like them. For larger equip I have all
Grizzly....T/S, Shaper, B/S, Jointer, etc. I have been very happy with
the performance of the Grizzly machines.
I am also skeptical as to buying certain items from the big discount
stores. Todays OEM methods allow a major cutomer (such as a big
discounter) to cheapen a specific product to meet their margin goals.
It might "look" exactly like the in-line version but if you were to
take it apart piece by piece you would find differences.
I do buy adhesives, fasteners and certain other items but never large
equip.
As far as the safety stop saw goes I am not impressed. Granted, I've
only looked at the video but for that kind of money....?
J
In article <[email protected]>,
"Rich" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have been looking at tablesaws also. They all seem to have there
> advantages and disadvantages. Have you heard of SawStop table saws?
> They are online. They are kind of pricey but they can stop a major
> accident from happening (like your finger getting cut off) it might be
> worth taking a look at. Just another option for you to consider.
>
They've had a lot of (good) press in the publications, but out of -my-
price range
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Get the G0444Z you won't be sorry. It is a 2 HP saw and the Rigid is, I
think only a 1 or 1 1/2 HP saw. I like every thing about my Grizz.
"Brian Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 6 May 2006 14:53:43 -0700, "robthebuilder" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>If you are down to looking at delivery options, which only happens one
>>time, as a deciding factor go with the Rigid and pick up a Diablo blade
>>at HD while you are there. A good sharp blade is just as important as
>>anything else.
>
> Just keep in mind that the Ridgid weighs 287 lbs in the box, be
> prepared to have someone help you take it out of the car again!
On 6 May 2006 14:53:43 -0700, "robthebuilder" <[email protected]> wrote:
>If you are down to looking at delivery options, which only happens one
>time, as a deciding factor go with the Rigid and pick up a Diablo blade
>at HD while you are there. A good sharp blade is just as important as
>anything else.
Just keep in mind that the Ridgid weighs 287 lbs in the box, be
prepared to have someone help you take it out of the car again!
"Leuf" <[email protected]> wrote
> has a multi grooved belt that's better than the usual belt you find on
> contractor saws. The stand has a little flex in it if you twist the
> top, but has no effect that I can discern in use. Still quite happy
> with mine after a year.
>
>
> -Leuf
OK that's cool.
AAvK
I was looking at the same two saws and settled on the Ridgid. I'm
extremely happy with it. I'm running it on a 110 but plan on wiring it
to a 220. If it performs this well at 110, I expect slightly better at 220.
I chose the Ridgid because of the price break I got by buying it on
sale. It has beautiful cast-iron wings and a dead-on fence. I don't plan
on being a professional carpenter and so the Ridgid seems far more
powerful than I need. I have no problem cutting through 2" cherry with
a standard blade. I'm sure that with a better blade, I would have even
better performance.
And I've found the built in wheel base on the Ridgid to be a life saver.
My workshop's configuration requires that I occasionally need to shift
the table saw. With the built in wheel base, it's a snap.
However, I have NEVER heard a bad word about the Grizzly. If you're
leaning towards the Grizzly, you won't be disappointed. It's a solid
machine.
Either way ... I think you'll be quite happy!
Jack
TBM wrote:
> Going to be making my first table saw purchase, been reading a lot of the
> posts in here, it seems many people speak very highly of Grizzly so I have
> been looking at this saw:
>
> G0444 10" Table Saw 1-1/2 HP Single-Phase 110V
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/G0444
>
> And I am also considering this saw:
>
> RIDGID 10 In. Cast-Iron Table Saw Model TS3650
> http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?prod_id=167029
>
> The benefit of the Ridgid is I can just go down to the local HD and pick it
> up, and get 12 mo same as cash....
>
> They are both 1 1/2hp, so I was looking for some additional insight from
> those who have personal experience with either saw...
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> Thanks in advance for any advice.
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