You can probably tell by my subject line I'm new at this table saw
business, but since I had the motor rebuilt, and now have to put it
into the unit, I can't figure out how this darn heavy thing will be
installed. I didn't take it out or had it rebuild, it was delivered to
my house and now I'm stuck. I also probably have to exchange the 3
belts that are wrapped around the arbor. Can I use the new type of
belt, the ones that look like they are pieces hooked together. This is
a 3 hp 1 phase motor, this thing got to weigh 80 lbs. Any help is
appreciated...Pete
On Aug 24, 11:32=EF=BF=BDam, "pmaston" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thank you for the info, I'm beginning to think that I will buy 3 identica=
l
> Automotive type belts.
Peter
A belt rep once showed me something intetesting about belts. They all
have a "mold mark". So to get tree identical ones after you select the
size make sure thay have the same mold mark. The mold mark will be a
number or letter combination molded into the belt.
Also belts can be measured under tension. Then the belts with the same
measurement under tension becaome somewhat matched. If I recall the
ACE where I go uses a 40 pound weight in the belt measurement gage.
Not really high tech but far better than going by the belt size
measuring gage that most use.
You might have to measure more than 10 to get three that are close.
Bob AZ
"pete" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ad7964e0-bae3-4984-9e1d-af3291110170@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> You can probably tell by my subject line I'm new at this table saw
> business, but since I had the motor rebuilt, and now have to put it
> into the unit, I can't figure out how this darn heavy thing will be
> installed. I didn't take it out or had it rebuild, it was delivered to
> my house and now I'm stuck. I also probably have to exchange the 3
> belts that are wrapped around the arbor. Can I use the new type of
> belt, the ones that look like they are pieces hooked together. This is
> a 3 hp 1 phase motor, this thing got to weigh 80 lbs. Any help is
> appreciated...Pete
I did this before several years back, first off I would stick with the
regular belts. IIRC I held the motor as best as I could and hung it by it's
pulley on the belts, raised the end closest to me and dropped in the bolts
through the mounting frame.
Thank you for the info, I'm beginning to think that I will buy 3 identical
Automotive type belts. Just the thought of taken the arbor apart, so I can
change the belts is also a scary project. Why does the manufacturer always
make it so difficult to change. Same darn thing as on my metal lathe, there
I'm going to go for the other belts, "feller" I guess they call them.
Several people told me that it turned out ok for a one belt setup. Again I
appreciate all the messages coming in....Peter
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "pete" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:df96da66-8492-49b8-be1a-0a904b246d99@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 23, 9:35 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "pete" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:ad7964e0-bae3-4984-9e1d-af3291110170@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > You can probably tell by my subject line I'm new at this table saw
>> > business, but since I had the motor rebuilt, and now have to put it
>> > into the unit, I can't figure out how this darn heavy thing will be
>> > installed. I didn't take it out or had it rebuild, it was delivered to
>> > my house and now I'm stuck. I also probably have to exchange the 3
>> > belts that are wrapped around the arbor. Can I use the new type of
>> > belt, the ones that look like they are pieces hooked together. This is
>> > a 3 hp 1 phase motor, this thing got to weigh 80 lbs. Any help is
>> > appreciated...Pete
>>
>> I did this before several years back, first off I would stick with the
>> regular belts. IIRC I held the motor as best as I could and hung it by
>> it's
>> pulley on the belts, raised the end closest to me and dropped in the
>> bolts
>> through the mounting frame.
>
> That's a great idea, I will try it. Is there a reason you mentioned
> staying with the regular belts. Did you hear anything negative?
>
> I have heard that some people have used link belts on a 3 belt cabinet
> saw however IMHO they are not going to be equal in length until they get
> broken in. As you have noticed the cabinet saw motor/belts are not a
> treat to adjust and I feel that you would probably be under there making
> adjustments as the belts took their final length several times. Most
> cabinet saws come with either a serpentine belt are a "automotive" quality
> set of belts as opposed to the industrial belts that the smaller saws come
> with. These automotive style belts are designed to be better balanced and
> to run at higher rpm's than the industrial style belts.
>
"pete" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Aug 23, 9:35 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "pete" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:ad7964e0-bae3-4984-9e1d-af3291110170@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > You can probably tell by my subject line I'm new at this table saw
> > business, but since I had the motor rebuilt, and now have to put it
> > into the unit, I can't figure out how this darn heavy thing will be
> > installed. I didn't take it out or had it rebuild, it was delivered to
> > my house and now I'm stuck. I also probably have to exchange the 3
> > belts that are wrapped around the arbor. Can I use the new type of
> > belt, the ones that look like they are pieces hooked together. This is
> > a 3 hp 1 phase motor, this thing got to weigh 80 lbs. Any help is
> > appreciated...Pete
>
> I did this before several years back, first off I would stick with the
> regular belts. IIRC I held the motor as best as I could and hung it by
> it's
> pulley on the belts, raised the end closest to me and dropped in the bolts
> through the mounting frame.
That's a great idea, I will try it. Is there a reason you mentioned
staying with the regular belts. Did you hear anything negative?
I have heard that some people have used link belts on a 3 belt cabinet saw
however IMHO they are not going to be equal in length until they get broken
in. As you have noticed the cabinet saw motor/belts are not a treat to
adjust and I feel that you would probably be under there making adjustments
as the belts took their final length several times. Most cabinet saws come
with either a serpentine belt are a "automotive" quality set of belts as
opposed to the industrial belts that the smaller saws come with. These
automotive style belts are designed to be better balanced and to run at
higher rpm's than the industrial style belts.
On Aug 23, 9:35=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "pete" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:ad7964e0-bae3-4984-9e1d-af3291110170@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > You can probably tell by my subject line I'm new at this table saw
> > business, but since I had the motor rebuilt, and now have to put it
> > into the unit, I can't figure out how this darn heavy thing will be
> > installed. I didn't take it out or had it rebuild, it was delivered to
> > my house and now I'm stuck. I also probably have to exchange the 3
> > belts that are wrapped around the arbor. Can I use the new type of
> > belt, the ones that look like they are pieces hooked together. This is
> > a 3 hp 1 phase motor, this thing got to weigh 80 lbs. Any help is
> > appreciated...Pete
>
> I did this before several years back, =A0first off I would stick with the
> regular belts. =A0IIRC I held the motor as best as I could and hung it by=
it's
> pulley on the belts, raised the end closest to me and dropped in the bolt=
s
> through the mounting frame.
That's a great idea, I will try it. Is there a reason you mentioned
staying with the regular belts. Did you hear anything negative?
pete wrote:
...
> That's a great idea, I will try it. Is there a reason you mentioned
> staying with the regular belts. Did you hear anything negative?
AFAIK, there's no such thing as a matched set for the link belts. W/ a
multi-belt set, the belts should be matched for length precisely (more
than just random off-the-shelf lengths) are or they won't pull evenly
leading to poor performance.
I hear folks claim they can eliminate vibration on contractor saws,
etc., w/ single-belt by using link belts but ime the problem is the saw
(or more often, the pulley(s)), not the belt. I think they're one of
the ideas looking for a solution more than anything else, personally,
but others' opinions obviously vary.
--
pmaston wrote:
> Thank you for the info, I'm beginning to think that I will buy 3
> identical Automotive type belts. Just the thought of taken the arbor
> apart, so I can change the belts is also a scary project. ...
Not the right answer. You want (and need) a matched set of three.
There _IS_ a difference...
> ... Just the thought of taken the arbor
> apart, so I can change the belts is also a scary project. ...
I don't know any particular Jet saw, but I'd seriously doubt it requires
or is intended by Jet to take the arbor apart to change belts.
Check for an owner's manual on the Jet web site; it'll have instructions
for the specific model. If can't find it, contact Jet directly.
--
Bob AZ wrote:
>>> You might have to measure more than 10 to get three that are close.
>> Or just buy a matched set...
>
> dpb
>
> I have never seen matched sets of three but I will look next time.
> Are you aware of any places?
Gates or any other make matched sets. It's also likely the OEM has them
listed as a part. That may be a little more expensive, of course.
A discussion of multi-drive belts...
http://www.gates.com/brochure.cfm?brochure=982&location_id=559
A (random) specific belt of the V80 series that will be within the
tolerance if order 3 of same part number (w/o trying to match by hand)...
http://www.gatespowerpro.com/Comergent/en/US/adirect/gates?cmd=catProductDetail
If you have an existing belt, there are cross-references from alternate
manufacturers of, of course, you can go back to the same manufacturer if
not Gates.
Again, Jet undoubtedly has them as a part as well.
--
dpb wrote:
...
> Gates or any other make matched sets. ...
More precisely, they select and stock individual production units to
build matched sets through process and inventory control...
Of course, this is essentially the old process of marking individual
belts w/ a code and then searching through the supply on hand to find
matching codes to make up the set automated. Sliced bread, if you will...
--
pmaston wrote:
> Thank you for the info, I'm beginning to think that I will buy 3
> identical Automotive type belts. Just the thought of taken the arbor
> apart, so I can change the belts is also a scary project. Why does the
> manufacturer always make it so difficult to change. Same darn thing as
> on my metal lathe, there I'm going to go for the other belts, "feller" I
> guess they call them. Several people told me that it turned out ok for a
> one belt setup. Again I appreciate all the messages coming in....Peter
>
Pete:
Below is the URL for WMH Tool Group. They are the
distributor/manufacturer of JET and Wilton.
URL: http://www.wmhtoolgroup.com/
Their business address is: WMH Tool Group
2420 Vantage Drive
Elgin, IL 60123
1-800-274-6848
Look on the body of your saw for the model number and s/n. If you can't
find the manual on line they say to call them. You can get all the
details from them.
Good Luck
Dave Nagel