My friend was doing some cutting with his circular saw. He propped the
blade guard open (danger danger). After finishing a cut, as the blade
was spooling down, he stepped into the blade. At first he thought he
wrecked a pair of shorts, but a second later the blood really started
flowing. He ended up slicing open his thigh, missing his "hammer" by
inches. At the hospital, the wound ended up being over 6" long, and 1"
from the carotid artery. Lucky for him the cut was not into the muscle,
or tendons. He took 50 stitches and is laid up for about a week. I think
he's pretty lucky, he could have lopped of his "hammer" or cut the
artery (not sure which would be worse. Hope this inspires you, as it has
me, to be extra careful with our saws.
Matt
[email protected] wrote:
>>> He propped the blade guard open ....
>
>>> ...., he stepped into the blade.
>>
>> I think someone should develop a SawStop for hand held circular saws
>> and then get the government to make it mandatory for them.
>>
>
> now there's a dangerous tool. imagine the kick of a skil77 when the
> blade stops in 1/10th of a second. it works on a cabinet saw because
> of the mass of the tool. a handheld would be pulled out of your
> hand....
<g> Internal flywheel spinning the other direction. SS stops 'em both.
-- Mark
The blade guard isn't perfect either. A few years back, when I was doing a
story in an emergency room, a guy came in who'd used a circle saw to rip a 2
X 8 and was holding the wood with his hand. Saw took off all four fingers.
The hand surgeon said that, from his experience, the circle saw (and not the
table saw) is the most dangerous saw in the shop.
Of course, a surgeon who reconstructs faces might differ.
jonfrank dot nasw dot org
>He ended up slicing open his thigh, missing his "hammer" by
>inches. At the hospital, the wound ended up being over 6" long, and 1"
>from the carotid artery. Lucky for him the cut was not into the muscle,
>or tendons.
I feel constrained as a paramedic to note that the carotid artery is in the
neck. Thus to cut your thigh and just miss the carotid artery with a six inch
laceration means you are real short or... it was the femoral artery.
Nonetheless we should all take care with electrically powered, and hand
powered, sharp edges!!!
> He ended up slicing open his thigh, missing his "hammer" by
>inches. At the hospital, the wound ended up being over 6" long, and 1"
>from the carotid artery.
If it was his carotid, he'd a tried to cut off his head! Maybe femoral, but
still a big flowing artery. Sorry to nitpick. And sorry about your friend, too.
I'll be careful. Tom
Work at your leisure!
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:27:20 +0100, LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I think someone should develop a SawStop for hand held circular saws
> and then get the government to make it mandatory for them.
That's asinine. Sure, develop a SawStop for hand held circular saws,
that's great, I might even buy one next time. But, having the
government interfere in yet another way, with yet more government cost,
isn't the way to fix this issue. If people want a saw with a brake,
they'll buy it.
More and more government regulation isn't the answer, hardly ever.
Dave Hinz
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 00:21:35 +0100, LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:43:58 -0700, "CW" <no adddress@spam free.com>
> wrote:
>
>>It would seem that no one (or very few) caught the joke. This was the ploy
>>used with the original Saw Stop. The company that developed it couldn't sell
>>it. They then decided to try to get the government to make it mandatory.
>
> Thank you. I was amazed. Maybe I should try for a graduate degree at
> the David Eisan School of Trolling.
Or maybe you should not waste peoples' time intentionally. We have
enough trolling in the group already.
In article <[email protected]>, Father Haskell wrote:
>> "Matt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]..
>> > My friend was doing some cutting with his circular saw. He propped the
>> > blade guard open (danger danger). After finishing a cut, as the blade
>> > was spooling down, he stepped into the blade. At first he thought he
>> > wrecked a pair of shorts, but a second later the blood really started
>> > flowing. He ended up slicing open his thigh, missing his "hammer" by
>> > inches. At the hospital, the wound ended up being over 6" long, and 1"
>> > from the carotid artery. Lucky for him the cut was not into the muscle,
>> > or tendons. He took 50 stitches and is laid up for about a week. I think
>> > he's pretty lucky, he could have lopped of his "hammer" or cut the
>> > artery (not sure which would be worse. Hope this inspires you, as it has
>> > me, to be extra careful with our saws.
>
> Carotid artery runs through the neck. You're thinking of the femoral?
Nah. Clearly he had his head up his arse...
On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:22:40 +0100, LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 23 Jun 2004 15:04:44 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Not at all, my top-posting friend, but someone wandering into an
>>already over-trolled group and giggling about trolling isn't likely
>>to get them much of a receptive audience.
>
> Excuse me? "wandering into...?"
> How much more than seven years (and hundreds of posts; I'm not just a
> lurker) do I have to participate here before I'm considered a regular?
So, then the benefit of the doubt that you maybe didn't _know_ that
there's an overabundance of trolls here doesn't apply. So, what's
the motivation then?
On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:09:45 +0100, LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 23 Jun 2004 17:34:43 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>So, then the benefit of the doubt that you maybe didn't _know_ that
>>there's an overabundance of trolls here doesn't apply. So, what's
>>the motivation then?
>
> I'm going to give you just one shot at understanding this.
How generous of you.
> Do you
> remember when David Eisan posted (anonymously) the article about the
> tool with the defective cord (it had been coiled or something). He
> hooked a bunch of people with that one. My sardonic remark was no more
> of offense than that.
Nope, don't remember it.
> Those are your choices. I don't figure you for #3, so I'll ignore you
> completely, becuase you would be a humorless idiot who doesn't deserve
> my time.
Funny, that's how I feel about trolls. Bye, lrod.
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:43:58 -0700, "CW" <no adddress@spam free.com>
wrote:
>It would seem that no one (or very few) caught the joke. This was the ploy
>used with the original Saw Stop. The company that developed it couldn't sell
>it. They then decided to try to get the government to make it mandatory.
Thank you. I was amazed. Maybe I should try for a graduate degree at
the David Eisan School of Trolling.
- -
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Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
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"Matt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My friend was doing some cutting with his circular saw. He propped the
> blade guard open (danger danger). After finishing a cut, as the blade
> was spooling down, he stepped into the blade. At first he thought he
> wrecked a pair of shorts, but a second later the blood really started
> flowing. He ended up slicing open his thigh, missing his "hammer" by
> inches. At the hospital, the wound ended up being over 6" long, and 1"
> from the carotid artery. Lucky for him the cut was not into the muscle,
> or tendons. He took 50 stitches and is laid up for about a week. I think
> he's pretty lucky, he could have lopped of his "hammer" or cut the
> artery (not sure which would be worse. Hope this inspires you, as it has
> me, to be extra careful with our saws.
>
> Matt
Maybe society would have better off if he had severed his wang. Unless, of
course, he has already reproduced.
todd
> "Matt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
> > My friend was doing some cutting with his circular saw. He propped the
> > blade guard open (danger danger). After finishing a cut, as the blade
> > was spooling down, he stepped into the blade. At first he thought he
> > wrecked a pair of shorts, but a second later the blood really started
> > flowing. He ended up slicing open his thigh, missing his "hammer" by
> > inches. At the hospital, the wound ended up being over 6" long, and 1"
> > from the carotid artery. Lucky for him the cut was not into the muscle,
> > or tendons. He took 50 stitches and is laid up for about a week. I think
> > he's pretty lucky, he could have lopped of his "hammer" or cut the
> > artery (not sure which would be worse. Hope this inspires you, as it has
> > me, to be extra careful with our saws.
Carotid artery runs through the neck. You're thinking of the femoral?
LRod wrote:
> Excuse me? "wandering into...?"
> How much more than seven years (and hundreds of posts; I'm not just a
> lurker) do I have to participate here before I'm considered a regular?
I thought that was kinda amusing too.
Dave in Fairfax
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"J.B. Bobbitt" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Yikes. I'd feel really bad for the guy if he had ......
>
>-JBB
>
>"Matt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> inches. At the hospital, the wound ended up being over 6" long, and 1"
>> from the carotid artery. Lucky for him the cut was not into the muscle,
>> or tendons.
Is this guy extremely fat? How can it be that large and deep and not cut
into muscle?
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:47:04 -0400, Matt <[email protected]> wrote:
>My friend was doing some cutting with his circular saw. He propped the
>blade guard open (danger danger). After finishing a cut, as the blade
>was spooling down, he stepped into the blade. At first he thought he
>wrecked a pair of shorts, but a second later the blood really started
>flowing. He ended up slicing open his thigh, missing his "hammer" by
>inches. At the hospital, the wound ended up being over 6" long, and 1"
>from the carotid artery. Lucky for him the cut was not into the muscle,
>or tendons. He took 50 stitches and is laid up for about a week. I think
>he's pretty lucky, he could have lopped of his "hammer" or cut the
>artery (not sure which would be worse. Hope this inspires you, as it has
>me, to be extra careful with our saws.
I think someone should develop a SawStop for hand held circular saws
and then get the government to make it mandatory for them.
- -
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
Sat, Jun 19, 2004, 3:27pm (EDT+5) [email protected] (LRod)
insanely says:
I think someone should develop a SawStop for hand held circular saws and
then get the government to make it mandatory for them.
Oh great. Now we've all got to worry about some idiot politician
(hey, that was redundant), sees that, and thinks it makes sense. "Don't
worry voters, I know you're too stupid to know what's best for you. I
mighta been a drunk before I was elected, and still am, but as long as
you keep me in office, I'll keep doing what I "know" is best for you, no
matter what you say".
JOAT
Use your brain - it's the small things that count.
- Bazooka Joe
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:37:20 -0400, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
>Sat, Jun 19, 2004, 3:27pm (EDT+5) [email protected] (LRod)
>insanely says:
>I think someone should develop a SawStop for hand held circular saws and
>then get the government to make it mandatory for them.
>
> Oh great. Now we've all got to worry about some idiot politician
>(hey, that was redundant), sees that, and thinks it makes sense. "Don't
>worry voters, I know you're too stupid to know what's best for you. I
>mighta been a drunk before I was elected, and still am, but as long as
>you keep me in office, I'll keep doing what I "know" is best for you, no
>matter what you say".
Guys, guys. Did you think, just for a moment, that I might have been
making a little joke?
ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...plink...growr-rowr-rowr-rowr-rowr-rowr-rowr.
Get the net, Bonnie, I got a big one.
- -
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Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
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Sat, Jun 19, 2004, 8:59pm (EDT+5) [email protected] (LRod)
says:
Guys, guys. Did you think, just for a moment, that I might have been
making a little joke? <snip>
Yes. And just the type of thing a politician would jump on -
insead of doing something actually useful. The thought frightens me.
JOAT
Use your brain - it's the small things that count.
- Bazooka Joe
"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:43:58 -0700, "CW" <no adddress@spam free.com>
> wrote:
>
> >It would seem that no one (or very few) caught the joke. This was the
ploy
> >used with the original Saw Stop. The company that developed it couldn't
sell
> >it. They then decided to try to get the government to make it mandatory.
>
> Thank you. I was amazed. Maybe I should try for a graduate degree at
> the David Eisan School of Trolling.
The diploma really should already be in the mail. ;~)
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:52:53 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
I do have to allow for the fact that she was a woman. They have to be
tough (polite option!<G>)!
They go through childbirth, tell us we will never understand the
pain........then do it again...voluntarily...sometimes many times! <G>
>Very isolated. 50+ miles from a hospital or decent sized town, no car,
>husband was at the cantina, etc.
>Ed
>
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:47:04 -0400, Matt <[email protected]>
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
OK. Sick story time. I was working with some sheet metal (corr. .5mm
stuff), making a door. A piece of pea gravel was caught under one
corner of the sheet. I ran my arm across the corner and sliced it open
for about 8". Thinks I "Wup! That was lucky!" ,and kept working. But
things did not feel quite right. I looked at my arm and there were the
"workings" all showing.
I wrapped my arm up tight and drove to hospital, where I was stitched
up.
No blood!...well.. about as much as a shaving cut. I had simply flayed
my arm for a 3/4" by 8" flap.
The stitching bothered me more than the rest, actually. It's like
injections. the idea of somebody else actualy _doing_ that stuff to
you and you can't thump their face in! <G>
I also believe _this_ story. I bought a Dozer off a couple of young
guys from the bush and got to know them quite well. Their uncle had
died and they were clearing out his property. He was a tough old
bugger, from a few stories I heard. He lived really simple and rough,
a long way from anywhere, at the top of a mountain with a view to die
for....hmmm... Anyway. One day he was sawing firewood wood on a
tractor-powered bench saw, and a piece flew up and opened up his
forehead. He sewed it up with needle and cotton.
>My friend was doing some cutting with his circular saw. He propped the
>blade guard open (danger danger). After finishing a cut, as the blade
>was spooling down, he stepped into the blade. At first he thought he
>wrecked a pair of shorts, but a second later the blood really started
>flowing. He ended up slicing open his thigh, missing his "hammer" by
>inches. At the hospital, the wound ended up being over 6" long, and 1"
>from the carotid artery. Lucky for him the cut was not into the muscle,
>or tendons. He took 50 stitches and is laid up for about a week. I think
>he's pretty lucky, he could have lopped of his "hammer" or cut the
>artery (not sure which would be worse. Hope this inspires you, as it has
>me, to be extra careful with our saws.
>
>Matt
"Old Nick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >There was an article in the paper about a week ago about a woman in
Mexico
> >that delivered her own baby by C-section. Made the cut and did the sew up
> >herself. I'd believe your story.
>
> god! Actually unless she was in isolated situation that's terrible, or
> she was mad (which is still terrible). I read of a doctor in the
> antartctic who gave himself an appendectomy, but he was well...THE
> doctor about the place. Was this a social, poverty thing?
Very isolated. 50+ miles from a hospital or decent sized town, no car,
husband was at the cantina, etc.
Ed
The real silliness (or danger) is in inviting the government to regulate
more Sh**.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >>He propped the blade guard open ....
>
> >>...., he stepped into the blade.
> >
> >I think someone should develop a SawStop for hand held circular saws
> >and then get the government to make it mandatory for them.
> >
>
> now there's a dangerous tool. imagine the kick of a skil77 when the
> blade stops in 1/10th of a second. it works on a cabinet saw because
> of the mass of the tool. a handheld would be pulled out of your
> hand....
It would seem that no one (or very few) caught the joke. This was the ploy
used with the original Saw Stop. The company that developed it couldn't sell
it. They then decided to try to get the government to make it mandatory.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> NoOne N Particular wrote:
>
> > Just great. If you get the government to regulate them then a "simple"
> > circular saw would weigh about 80 pounds and cost about $1000.
>
> And be more dangerous than the old fashioned kind besides.
>
> > Wayne
> >
> >
> > "LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:47:04 -0400, Matt <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >My friend was doing some cutting with his circular saw. He propped the
> >> >blade guard open (danger danger). After finishing a cut, as the blade
> >> >was spooling down, he stepped into the blade. At first he thought he
> >> >wrecked a pair of shorts, but a second later the blood really started
> >> >flowing. He ended up slicing open his thigh, missing his "hammer" by
> >> >inches. At the hospital, the wound ended up being over 6" long, and 1"
> >> >from the carotid artery. Lucky for him the cut was not into the
muscle,
> >> >or tendons. He took 50 stitches and is laid up for about a week. I
think
> >> >he's pretty lucky, he could have lopped of his "hammer" or cut the
> >> >artery (not sure which would be worse. Hope this inspires you, as it
has
> >> >me, to be extra careful with our saws.
> >>
> >> I think someone should develop a SawStop for hand held circular saws
> >> and then get the government to make it mandatory for them.
> >>
> >>
> >> - -
> >> LRod
> >>
> >> Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
> >>
> >> Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
> >>
> >> http://www.woodbutcher.net
>
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"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:Jt8Bc.585>
> There was an article in the paper about a week ago about a woman in Mexico
> that delivered her own baby by C-section. Made the cut and did the sew up
> herself. I'd believe your story.
I believe that's possible. I was watching the talk show where a guy whose
arm was pinned by a boulder for three or four days, amputated it to get free
and then walked a considerable distance to find help. He did the cut, then
had to break the bones in his arm to free himself. First thought most people
have is if they could force themselves to do the same thing to survive. The
instinct to live is a paramount force. Can't say I've ever been through the
same thing, but I broke both legs once and sat on the ground for forty-five
minutes before help arrived. I was never more scared, but also never felt
more alive.
"Old Nick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> One day he was sawing firewood wood on a
> tractor-powered bench saw, and a piece flew up and opened up his
> forehead. He sewed it up with needle and cotton.
There was an article in the paper about a week ago about a woman in Mexico
that delivered her own baby by C-section. Made the cut and did the sew up
herself. I'd believe your story.
Ed
Thats why I felt compelled to share the story. Lucky for my friend his
brother was with him and able to rush him to the hospital (about 3
minutes away).
I think I am always very respectful of my power tools, and like to think
I would not do something "stupid". However, no matter how careful I am,
sometimes shit just happens.
Matt
Phisherman wrote:
> Thanks for the story Matt. A blade guard is something to think about,
> don't let it happen to you.
No, he is not overweight. I am not planning on feelin up his thigh so I
can report out on how muscular his legs are though!
Matt
Bruce wrote:
> In rec.woodworking
> "J.B. Bobbitt" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Yikes. I'd feel really bad for the guy if he had ......
>>
>>-JBB
>>
>>"Matt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>
>
>>>inches. At the hospital, the wound ended up being over 6" long, and 1"
>>>from the carotid artery. Lucky for him the cut was not into the muscle,
>>>or tendons.
>
>
> Is this guy extremely fat? How can it be that large and deep and not cut
> into muscle?
Yikes. I'd feel really bad for the guy if he had ......
-JBB
"Matt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My friend was doing some cutting with his circular saw. He propped the
> blade guard open (danger danger). After finishing a cut, as the blade
> was spooling down, he stepped into the blade. At first he thought he
> wrecked a pair of shorts, but a second later the blood really started
> flowing. He ended up slicing open his thigh, missing his "hammer" by
> inches. At the hospital, the wound ended up being over 6" long, and 1"
> from the carotid artery. Lucky for him the cut was not into the muscle,
> or tendons. He took 50 stitches and is laid up for about a week. I think
> he's pretty lucky, he could have lopped of his "hammer" or cut the
> artery (not sure which would be worse. Hope this inspires you, as it has
> me, to be extra careful with our saws.
>
> Matt
>
"Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> "Matt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > My friend was doing some cutting with his circular saw. He propped the
> > blade guard open (danger danger).
>
> You STILL have to be smarter than the tool! I have one (an old Crapsman)
> that the blade guard has been locked open for a long time because no
matter
> what, it tries to bind and pull the saw when starting the cut. I've had it
> apart, cleaned, lubed, un-lubed, etc., still does it. Solution: lock the
> dern thing open or remove it! Just remember to keep the brain in gear at
all
> times.
>
these are the same guys that go around a curve too fast on a motorcycle,
then when they slide on the gravel, grinding themselves into hamburger
against the pavement, they blame the gravel.
but you said it best. you have to be smarter than the tool...
randy
"Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Maybe society would have better off if he had severed his wang. Unless,
of
> course, he has already reproduced.
Seems to be the standard response for doing something stupid, however, the
person that has never done something stupid doesn't exist and that goes for
all ages.
What's really stupid though is not learning from the stupid mistakes from
which we've survived mostly intact.
Thanks for the story Matt. A blade guard is something to think about,
don't let it happen to you.
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:47:04 -0400, Matt <[email protected]> wrote:
>My friend was doing some cutting with his circular saw. He propped the
>blade guard open (danger danger). After finishing a cut, as the blade
>was spooling down, he stepped into the blade. At first he thought he
>wrecked a pair of shorts, but a second later the blood really started
>flowing. He ended up slicing open his thigh, missing his "hammer" by
>inches. At the hospital, the wound ended up being over 6" long, and 1"
>from the carotid artery. Lucky for him the cut was not into the muscle,
>or tendons. He took 50 stitches and is laid up for about a week. I think
>he's pretty lucky, he could have lopped of his "hammer" or cut the
>artery (not sure which would be worse. Hope this inspires you, as it has
>me, to be extra careful with our saws.
>
>Matt
>>He propped the blade guard open ....
>>...., he stepped into the blade.
>
>I think someone should develop a SawStop for hand held circular saws
>and then get the government to make it mandatory for them.
>
now there's a dangerous tool. imagine the kick of a skil77 when the
blade stops in 1/10th of a second. it works on a cabinet saw because
of the mass of the tool. a handheld would be pulled out of your
hand....
If you have a larger hand, a safe way to prevent the guard from catching is
to: operate the switch with the middle finger and extend the index finger
to hold the guard back. YMMV, but it works for me with 7-1/4" Makita,
Dewalt and PC saws.
10/10/2/1 - count 'em everytime!
"Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> "Matt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > My friend was doing some cutting with his circular saw. He propped the
> > blade guard open (danger danger).
>
> You STILL have to be smarter than the tool! I have one (an old Crapsman)
> that the blade guard has been locked open for a long time because no
matter
> what, it tries to bind and pull the saw when starting the cut. I've had it
> apart, cleaned, lubed, un-lubed, etc., still does it. Solution: lock the
> dern thing open or remove it! Just remember to keep the brain in gear at
all
> times.
>
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"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> CW wrote:
>
> Same strategy the airbag people used. And I expect a similar
> outcome--probably won't be short people that the Saw Stop kills but it
will
> likely kill _somebody_.
The original "Air Bag People" were Chrysler, General Motors, and Ford that I
know of. Their air bags were being used in production vehicles as early as
the 60's. I recall the early year Olds Toronado's having this option. The
insurance industry is what has make this mainstream today.
"Matt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My friend was doing some cutting with his circular saw. He propped the
> blade guard open (danger danger).
You STILL have to be smarter than the tool! I have one (an old Crapsman)
that the blade guard has been locked open for a long time because no matter
what, it tries to bind and pull the saw when starting the cut. I've had it
apart, cleaned, lubed, un-lubed, etc., still does it. Solution: lock the
dern thing open or remove it! Just remember to keep the brain in gear at all
times.
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Sat, Jun 19, 2004, 10:13am [email protected] (Norman=A0D.=A0Crow)
claims:.
You STILL have to be smarter than the tool! I have one (an old Crapsman)
that the blade guard has been locked open for a long time because no
matter what, it tries to bind and pull the saw when starting the cut.
I've had it apart, cleaned, lubed, un-lubed, etc., still does it.
Solution: lock the dern thing open or remove it! Just remember to keep
the brain in gear at all times.
I have an old (bought about 1976) B&D circular saw. Upon occassion
the guard "binds" a tad, when starting a cut.
Solution? HOLD the guard up, using the ltab provided for that
purpose, then when the cut is started, release the tab. Works every
time.
Let's put it this way. Anything Homer Simpson would do, I won't.
JOAT
Use your brain - it's the small things that count.
- Bazooka Joe
"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:13:44 -0400, "Norman D. Crow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> Nahmie, hie thee to a Sears and pick up a P-C 347 (or 743 if you
> prefer a left blade) on closeout for about $80 and end this danger and
> frustration.
>
> Please.
LRod,
Thanks for the kind thoughts and advice. Now, as per Paul Harvey, "the
rest of the story" - The Crapsman has been gathering dust for some time, as
I did go and get a P-C 743 before Woodworkers Warehouse went out of
business. What a difference! Also, I must say I "fudged" the story a tiny
bit. I had been using the Crapsman ONLY on a home-made cutting guide for a
long time, as it was sooooooo frustrating to try and use free-hand. While on
the guide, it wasn't turned on until everything was clamped and the saw was
sitting on the guide, and when done with the cut it remained sitting on the
guide until it spun down. I will admit I had used it occasionally with the
guard pinned open when really necessary, but not something I like to do.
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NoOne N Particular wrote:
> Just great. If you get the government to regulate them then a "simple"
> circular saw would weigh about 80 pounds and cost about $1000.
And be more dangerous than the old fashioned kind besides.
> Wayne
>
>
> "LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:47:04 -0400, Matt <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >My friend was doing some cutting with his circular saw. He propped the
>> >blade guard open (danger danger). After finishing a cut, as the blade
>> >was spooling down, he stepped into the blade. At first he thought he
>> >wrecked a pair of shorts, but a second later the blood really started
>> >flowing. He ended up slicing open his thigh, missing his "hammer" by
>> >inches. At the hospital, the wound ended up being over 6" long, and 1"
>> >from the carotid artery. Lucky for him the cut was not into the muscle,
>> >or tendons. He took 50 stitches and is laid up for about a week. I think
>> >he's pretty lucky, he could have lopped of his "hammer" or cut the
>> >artery (not sure which would be worse. Hope this inspires you, as it has
>> >me, to be extra careful with our saws.
>>
>> I think someone should develop a SawStop for hand held circular saws
>> and then get the government to make it mandatory for them.
>>
>>
>> - -
>> LRod
>>
>> Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
>>
>> Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
>>
>> http://www.woodbutcher.net
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
CW wrote:
> It would seem that no one (or very few) caught the joke. This was the ploy
> used with the original Saw Stop. The company that developed it couldn't
> sell it. They then decided to try to get the government to make it
> mandatory.
Same strategy the airbag people used. And I expect a similar
outcome--probably won't be short people that the Saw Stop kills but it will
likely kill _somebody_.
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> NoOne N Particular wrote:
>>
>> > Just great. If you get the government to regulate them then a "simple"
>> > circular saw would weigh about 80 pounds and cost about $1000.
>>
>> And be more dangerous than the old fashioned kind besides.
>>
>> > Wayne
>> >
>> >
>> > "LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > news:[email protected]...
>> >> On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:47:04 -0400, Matt <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >My friend was doing some cutting with his circular saw. He propped
>> >> >the blade guard open (danger danger). After finishing a cut, as the
>> >> >blade was spooling down, he stepped into the blade. At first he
>> >> >thought he wrecked a pair of shorts, but a second later the blood
>> >> >really started flowing. He ended up slicing open his thigh, missing
>> >> >his "hammer" by inches. At the hospital, the wound ended up being
>> >> >over 6" long, and 1" from the carotid artery. Lucky for him the cut
>> >> >was not into the
> muscle,
>> >> >or tendons. He took 50 stitches and is laid up for about a week. I
> think
>> >> >he's pretty lucky, he could have lopped of his "hammer" or cut the
>> >> >artery (not sure which would be worse. Hope this inspires you, as it
> has
>> >> >me, to be extra careful with our saws.
>> >>
>> >> I think someone should develop a SawStop for hand held circular saws
>> >> and then get the government to make it mandatory for them.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> - -
>> >> LRod
>> >>
>> >> Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
>> >>
>> >> Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
>> >>
>> >> http://www.woodbutcher.net
>>
>> --
>> --John
>> Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
>> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
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Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
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On 19 Jun 2004 16:17:10 GMT, [email protected] (Tchswoods) calmly
ranted:
>>He ended up slicing open his thigh, missing his "hammer" by
>>inches. At the hospital, the wound ended up being over 6" long, and 1"
>>from the carotid artery. Lucky for him the cut was not into the muscle,
>>or tendons.
>
>I feel constrained as a paramedic to note that the carotid artery is in the
>neck. Thus to cut your thigh and just miss the carotid artery with a six inch
>laceration means you are real short or... it was the femoral artery.
>Nonetheless we should all take care with electrically powered, and hand
>powered, sharp edges!!!
It also could have indicated a cranial/rectal inversion, which
would also explain why he didn't see the spinning blade. ;)
See picture here: http://tinyurl.com/2355o
;)
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"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Maybe society would have better off if he had severed his wang. Unless,
> of
> > course, he has already reproduced.
>
> Seems to be the standard response for doing something stupid, however, the
> person that has never done something stupid doesn't exist and that goes
for
> all ages.
>
> What's really stupid though is not learning from the stupid mistakes from
> which we've survived mostly intact.
I'd say there's a big difference between doing something that, in
retrospect, looked stupid, and doing something that is patently dangerous
from the beginning. This isn't a case of after the fact saying "gee, I
guess that was kinda dangerous". I'm sure his buddy knew it was dangerous,
but with forethought modified a fairly dangerous tool to be about 10 times
more dangerous. Hopefully, he doesn't try to repeat the feat.
todd
"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Guys, guys. Did you think, just for a moment, that I might have been
> making a little joke?
Damn, I wanted to see if they would do the "hot dog" demonstration.
On 23 Jun 2004 17:34:43 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:22:40 +0100, LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 23 Jun 2004 15:04:44 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Not at all, my top-posting friend, but someone wandering into an
>>>already over-trolled group and giggling about trolling isn't likely
>>>to get them much of a receptive audience.
>>
>> Excuse me? "wandering into...?"
>> How much more than seven years (and hundreds of posts; I'm not just a
>> lurker) do I have to participate here before I'm considered a regular?
>
>So, then the benefit of the doubt that you maybe didn't _know_ that
>there's an overabundance of trolls here doesn't apply. So, what's
>the motivation then?
I'm going to give you just one shot at understanding this. Do you
remember when David Eisan posted (anonymously) the article about the
tool with the defective cord (it had been coiled or something). He
hooked a bunch of people with that one. My sardonic remark was no more
of offense than that.
Now, if you jumped all over David for that post then I'll ignore you
completely, becuase you would be a humorless idiot who doesn't deserve
my time.
If you don't see the connection between my post and his or any other
humorous satire, then I'll ignore you completely, becuase you would be
a humorless idiot who doesn't deserve my time.
Or, you can say, "oh, I get it. That was a play on the SawStop attempt
to get the government to enforce a market for their product."
Those are your choices. I don't figure you for #3, so I'll ignore you
completely, becuase you would be a humorless idiot who doesn't deserve
my time.
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Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
On 19 Jun 2004 16:17:10 GMT, [email protected] (Tchswoods) wrote:
>>He ended up slicing open his thigh, missing his "hammer" by
>>inches. At the hospital, the wound ended up being over 6" long, and 1"
>>from the carotid artery. Lucky for him the cut was not into the muscle,
>>or tendons.
>
>I feel constrained as a paramedic to note that the carotid artery is in the
>neck. Thus to cut your thigh and just miss the carotid artery with a six inch
>laceration means you are real short or... it was the femoral artery.
>Nonetheless we should all take care with electrically powered, and hand
>powered, sharp edges!!!
<G>
coulda just been a real dickhead...
<G/>
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:11:08 GMT, "Mark Jerde"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>>>> He propped the blade guard open ....
>>
>>>> ...., he stepped into the blade.
>>>
>>> I think someone should develop a SawStop for hand held circular saws
>>> and then get the government to make it mandatory for them.
>>>
>>
>> now there's a dangerous tool. imagine the kick of a skil77 when the
>> blade stops in 1/10th of a second. it works on a cabinet saw because
>> of the mass of the tool. a handheld would be pulled out of your
>> hand....
>
><g> Internal flywheel spinning the other direction. SS stops 'em both.
>
> -- Mark
>
great. now you've *doubled* the weight of a tool that's already on the
edge of too heavy for a lot of folks...
<G>
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:32:49 -0400, "Norman D. Crow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:13:44 -0400, "Norman D. Crow"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Nahmie, hie thee to a Sears and pick up a P-C 347 (or 743 if you
>> prefer a left blade) on closeout for about $80 and end this danger and
>> frustration.
>>
>> Please.
>
>LRod,
> Thanks for the kind thoughts and advice. Now, as per Paul Harvey, "the
>rest of the story" - The Crapsman has been gathering dust for some time, as
>I did go and get a P-C 743 before Woodworkers Warehouse went out of
>business.
I'm glad to hear that (as well as the rest of the story). It's a shame
they closed down. It sure was handy having it close by like that. I
have a cousin that runs the gas station/convenience store/car
wash/U-Haul place on Fairmont Av. down the street from the mall. My
aunt (his grandmother) used to live in Lakewood, so I could get to the
Warehouse whenever we visited. Now she lives in Jamestown on William
Street up above what used to be General Hospital (I think--it's an ALF
now). Still less than ten minutes away, but sadly, no matter.
Hey, we're going to be up there around the last week in July. Want to
meet for a cup of joe and some WW BS? Ping me on the backchannel for
my cell #.
- -
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Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
My mistake, you are correct regarding the artery.
Matt
Tchswoods wrote:
> I feel constrained as a paramedic to note that the carotid artery is in the
> neck. Thus to cut your thigh and just miss the carotid artery with a six inch
> laceration means you are real short or... it was the femoral artery.
> Nonetheless we should all take care with electrically powered, and hand
> powered, sharp edges!!!
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 11:14:09 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>>>He propped the blade guard open ....
>
>>>...., he stepped into the blade.
>>
>>I think someone should develop a SawStop for hand held circular saws
>>and then get the government to make it mandatory for them.
>>
>
>now there's a dangerous tool. imagine the kick of a skil77 when the
>blade stops in 1/10th of a second. it works on a cabinet saw because
>of the mass of the tool. a handheld would be pulled out of your
>hand....
Guys, guys. Did you think, just for a moment, that I might have been
making a little joke?
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Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
Norman D. Crow wrote:
> "Matt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> My friend was doing some cutting with his circular saw. He propped
>> the blade guard open (danger danger).
>
> You STILL have to be smarter than the tool! I have one (an old
> Crapsman) that the blade guard has been locked open for a long time
> because no matter what, it tries to bind and pull the saw when
> starting the cut. I've had it apart, cleaned, lubed, un-lubed, etc.,
> still does it. Solution: lock the dern thing open or remove it! Just
> remember to keep the brain in gear at all times.
I'd throw that saw away & use a handsaw until I could afford a replacement!
But then I got to see daily the huge scar & reduced function (including
minimal grip) a college roommate had. He was a contractor working with the
guard pinned open, had a bind, and did a pretty good job of trying to cut
his arm off on a diagonal from the wrist to the elbow.
-- Mark
On 23 Jun 2004 17:34:43 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> vaguely
proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
Oh look Dave's min another smartarse pissing contest!
On 23 Jun 2004 15:04:44 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:11:18 -0700, CW <> wrote:
>> A might bit humor impaired?
>
>Not at all, my top-posting friend, but someone wandering into an
>already over-trolled group and giggling about trolling isn't likely
>to get them much of a receptive audience.
Excuse me? "wandering into...?"
How much more than seven years (and hundreds of posts; I'm not just a
lurker) do I have to participate here before I'm considered a regular?
- -
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
"Matt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thats why I felt compelled to share the story. Lucky for my friend his
> brother was with him and able to rush him to the hospital (about 3
> minutes away).
>
> I think I am always very respectful of my power tools, and like to think
> I would not do something "stupid". However, no matter how careful I am,
> sometimes shit just happens.
yup. they arent called 'accidents' because you plan them...
randy
On 19 Jun 2004 18:14:19 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:27:20 +0100, LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I think someone should develop a SawStop for hand held circular saws
>> and then get the government to make it mandatory for them.
>
>That's asinine.
Guys, guys. Did you think, just for a moment, that I might have been
making a little joke?
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- -
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http://www.woodbutcher.net
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:13:44 -0400, "Norman D. Crow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>You STILL have to be smarter than the tool! I have one (an old Crapsman)
>that the blade guard has been locked open for a long time because no matter
>what, it tries to bind and pull the saw when starting the cut. I've had it
>apart, cleaned, lubed, un-lubed, etc., still does it. Solution: lock the
>dern thing open or remove it! Just remember to keep the brain in gear at all
>times.
Nahmie, hie thee to a Sears and pick up a P-C 347 (or 743 if you
prefer a left blade) on closeout for about $80 and end this danger and
frustration.
Please.
- -
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:58:12 -0700, Father Haskell
<[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
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Like most guys. Thinking with the wrong part of their anatomy
again....
>Carotid artery runs through the neck. You're thinking of the femoral?
Just great. If you get the government to regulate them then a "simple"
circular saw would weigh about 80 pounds and cost about $1000.
Wayne
"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:47:04 -0400, Matt <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >My friend was doing some cutting with his circular saw. He propped the
> >blade guard open (danger danger). After finishing a cut, as the blade
> >was spooling down, he stepped into the blade. At first he thought he
> >wrecked a pair of shorts, but a second later the blood really started
> >flowing. He ended up slicing open his thigh, missing his "hammer" by
> >inches. At the hospital, the wound ended up being over 6" long, and 1"
> >from the carotid artery. Lucky for him the cut was not into the muscle,
> >or tendons. He took 50 stitches and is laid up for about a week. I think
> >he's pretty lucky, he could have lopped of his "hammer" or cut the
> >artery (not sure which would be worse. Hope this inspires you, as it has
> >me, to be extra careful with our saws.
>
> I think someone should develop a SawStop for hand held circular saws
> and then get the government to make it mandatory for them.
>
>
> - -
> LRod
>
> Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
>
> Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
>
> http://www.woodbutcher.net
A might bit humor impaired?
"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Or maybe you should not waste peoples' time intentionally. We have
> enough trolling in the group already.
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 04:34:49 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>
>"Old Nick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>> One day he was sawing firewood wood on a
>> tractor-powered bench saw, and a piece flew up and opened up his
>> forehead. He sewed it up with needle and cotton.
>
>There was an article in the paper about a week ago about a woman in Mexico
>that delivered her own baby by C-section. Made the cut and did the sew up
>herself. I'd believe your story.
god! Actually unless she was in isolated situation that's terrible, or
she was mad (which is still terrible). I read of a doctor in the
antartctic who gave himself an appendectomy, but he was well...THE
doctor about the place. Was this a social, poverty thing?
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:47:04 -0400, Matt <[email protected]>
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
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Well. if he was all excited about his work, lopping his hammer might
have been as bad as severin the artery! <G>
I reckon I'd wreck a pair of shorts doing that too.
>My friend was doing some cutting with his circular saw. He propped the
>blade guard open (danger danger). After finishing a cut, as the blade
>was spooling down, he stepped into the blade. At first he thought he
>wrecked a pair of shorts, but a second later the blood really started
>flowing. He ended up slicing open his thigh, missing his "hammer" by
>inches. At the hospital, the wound ended up being over 6" long, and 1"
>from the carotid artery. Lucky for him the cut was not into the muscle,
>or tendons. He took 50 stitches and is laid up for about a week. I think
>he's pretty lucky, he could have lopped of his "hammer" or cut the
>artery (not sure which would be worse. Hope this inspires you, as it has
>me, to be extra careful with our saws.
>
>Matt
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:40:36 -0400, "Eric Ryder"
<[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>If you have a larger hand, a safe way to prevent the guard from catching is
>to: operate the switch with the middle finger and extend the index finger
>to hold the guard back. YMMV, but it works for me with 7-1/4" Makita,
>Dewalt and PC saws.
>
>10/10/2/1 - count 'em everytime!
Given that final statement, I feel free.
I repeated what you said in the first paragraph to my wife, and now I
feel inadequate.
"Big hands, worth counting" _she_ said!
YIMV <G>
Sorry. I reminds me of an article on TV about ballet dancer Nureyev.
They showed him walking naked in the surf. I remember thinking
herrrrh! There were several complaints from guys and their partners on
the "feedback" section of that channnel about the "male half" suddenly
feeling impotent! <G>. It was quite scary. It may have actually been
scary for both partners.
I actually wondered if he had any _feeling_ left in the end! <G>
I mean I enjoy swimming, but.......