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[email protected] (todd the wood junkie)

22/09/2004 8:44 AM

shellac survey

I am in the market for dewaxed shellac, but have not been happy with
price of reliable suppliers and availability of cheaper suppliers. I
ended up contacting several Indian companies myself, and have been
able to negotiate a decent price, but for 30kg (66lbs). There is no
way I'll use this much shellac in my lifetime as a recreational
woodworker.

I'd like to know who out there would be willing (not a commitment by
any means) to purchase 1 lb of top quality, clear (blonde) dewaxed
shellac for $12 us dollars a pound + whatever shipping costs are to
your location. So far the cheapest I've seen is on shellac.net for
about 15 bucks. They are totally out of stock, however.

I am not in the shellac business and I don't really want to, this is a
one time deal for woodworkers.

who would pay this?


This topic has 18 replies

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"mp"

in reply to [email protected] (todd the wood junkie) on 22/09/2004 8:44 AM

22/09/2004 9:45 AM

> I'd like to know who out there would be willing (not a commitment by
> any means) to purchase 1 lb of top quality, clear (blonde) dewaxed
> shellac for $12 us dollars a pound + whatever shipping costs are to
> your location. So far the cheapest I've seen is on shellac.net for
> about 15 bucks. They are totally out of stock, however.
>
> I am not in the shellac business and I don't really want to, this is a
> one time deal for woodworkers.
>
> who would pay this?

Not me. There are other suppliers of good quality shellac, like
woodfinishingsupplies.com or homesteadfinishing.com. I'm sure if I were to
purchase 60lbs from either supplier I could get it for less than $12/lb.

nn

in reply to [email protected] (todd the wood junkie) on 22/09/2004 8:44 AM

24/09/2004 12:29 PM

Try www.homesteadfinishing.com

On 24 Sep 2004 07:35:02 -0700, [email protected] (todd the wood
junkie) wrote:

>If there isn't, I will buy from shellac.net for $15/# when
>they finally get stock, or somewhere else for 22 bucks a pound.

Sk

"Swingman"

in reply to [email protected] (todd the wood junkie) on 22/09/2004 8:44 AM

22/09/2004 12:47 PM

"Conan the Librarian" wrote in message
> FYI, there was once a galootish wooddorker and erstwhile rocket
> scientist somewhere in LowCal who had the same idea. The next thing he
> knew, he had about a ton of the stuff and it took over his garage, then
> his home, then his marriage, his collection of jack planes and then his
> job. He wound up in Ohiyuh somewhere where he nearly froze to death,
> before finally selling all of the stuff off, getting a new job and
> moving back to LowCal where he lived happily ever after.
>
> Amen.

LOL ... and with no roof whatsoever needed over his workbench!

So, you're saying that those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it?
;>)

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 7/10/04

ot

[email protected] (todd the wood junkie)

in reply to [email protected] (todd the wood junkie) on 22/09/2004 8:44 AM

23/09/2004 5:51 AM

ok, ok, I think I get the lesson here. I like my day job, and I do
want to stay married etc. It is damn frustrating however.

Couple of side notes.
1. I have lived in "Ohiyuh" almost all my life, so maybe it's
something about this great state that makes one want to take that
plunge
2. Don't have a workmutt. I really don't even know what one is for
that matter (so maybe I do and don't realize it). Could this be a
reference to some kind of smallish bench? (like a black and decker
WORKMATE?).

I appreciate the "pearls of wisdom" from this group, but am still
outraged by the 'lack of shellac'. Something must be done here.

Todd

ot

[email protected] (todd the wood junkie)

in reply to [email protected] (todd the wood junkie) on 22/09/2004 8:44 AM

24/09/2004 7:35 AM

I truely appreciate the advise, humor and concern (feelin' the love).
I am aware (and do struggle) with balancing this hobby with my
commitments to God, fatherhood, wife, job etc... (btw, even God knows
NOT to enter shop during glue-up)

I am asking if there is interest in a 'shellac co-op'. If there is, I
will sell at $12/#, $13 on ebay and probably keep 5 or so pounds for
myself. If there isn't, I will buy from shellac.net for $15/# when
they finally get stock, or somewhere else for 22 bucks a pound.

If you've seen or heard all this before, don't judge me based on a few
experiences.

Todd

ot

[email protected] (todd the wood junkie)

in reply to [email protected] (todd the wood junkie) on 22/09/2004 8:44 AM

13/10/2004 9:40 AM

> The shellac business is not as simple as it might at first seem. There
> are several changes underway right now with respect to shellac
> distribution in this country because it's an ever-changing business....>


> Russ Ramirez

It sounds like you have some information that would help my
understanding of the problem. Would you care to expound to the humble
masses the details of these changes?


Todd

rR

[email protected] (Russ Ramirez)

in reply to [email protected] (todd the wood junkie) on 22/09/2004 8:44 AM

01/10/2004 9:45 AM

[email protected] (todd the wood junkie) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I am in the market for dewaxed shellac, but have not been happy with
> price of reliable suppliers and availability of cheaper suppliers. I
> ended up contacting several Indian companies myself, and have been
> able to negotiate a decent price, but for 30kg (66lbs). There is no
> way I'll use this much shellac in my lifetime as a recreational
> woodworker.
>
> I'd like to know who out there would be willing (not a commitment by
> any means) to purchase 1 lb of top quality, clear (blonde) dewaxed
> shellac for $12 us dollars a pound + whatever shipping costs are to
> your location. So far the cheapest I've seen is on shellac.net for
> about 15 bucks. They are totally out of stock, however.
>
> I am not in the shellac business and I don't really want to, this is a
> one time deal for woodworkers.
>
> who would pay this?

The shellac business is not as simple as it might at first seem. There
are several changes underway right now with respect to shellac
distribution in this country because it's an ever-changing business.
Some folks "in" this business, who are for all intents really are
"out" of business, have learned the hard way that it's a difficult
business to do on a large scale. My advice to you is to keep any
endevour small and focused. I wish you luck and BTW do not actually
care if you even sold the shellac at cost (for those that might think
I'm trying to discourage you) although some smaller vendors might.

Russ Ramirez

pP

[email protected] (Patrick Olguin)

in reply to [email protected] (todd the wood junkie) on 22/09/2004 8:44 AM

23/09/2004 9:38 AM

[email protected] (todd the wood junkie) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I am in the market for dewaxed shellac, but have not been happy with
> price of reliable suppliers and availability of cheaper suppliers. I
> ended up contacting several Indian companies myself

Not that I have any personal experience in the matter, but a person
can theoretically fit twenty-four 25Kg boxes of shellac flakes into
the back of a 1995 GMC Suburban, with all the seats folded flat. The
shellac-hauling capacity of a 1991 Buick Century is approximately
160Kg, give or take a flake or two.

This is of course, purely speculation on my part.

Humbly submitted,
O'Deen

DD

David

in reply to [email protected] (todd the wood junkie) on 22/09/2004 8:44 AM

22/09/2004 10:43 AM

Can't you find Zinnser's Seal Coat, which is dewaxed shellac with a
pretty good shelf life? It is hassle free; no mixing flakes.

david

todd the wood junkie wrote:

> I am in the market for dewaxed shellac, but have not been happy with
> price of reliable suppliers and availability of cheaper suppliers. I
> ended up contacting several Indian companies myself, and have been
> able to negotiate a decent price, but for 30kg (66lbs). There is no
> way I'll use this much shellac in my lifetime as a recreational
> woodworker.
>
> I'd like to know who out there would be willing (not a commitment by
> any means) to purchase 1 lb of top quality, clear (blonde) dewaxed
> shellac for $12 us dollars a pound + whatever shipping costs are to
> your location. So far the cheapest I've seen is on shellac.net for
> about 15 bucks. They are totally out of stock, however.
>
> I am not in the shellac business and I don't really want to, this is a
> one time deal for woodworkers.
>
> who would pay this?

gg

in reply to [email protected] (todd the wood junkie) on 22/09/2004 8:44 AM

23/09/2004 7:41 PM

[email protected] (todd the wood junkie) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I am in the market for dewaxed shellac, but have not been happy with
> price of reliable suppliers and availability of cheaper suppliers. I
> ended up contacting several Indian companies myself, and have been
> able to negotiate a decent price, but for 30kg (66lbs). There is no
> way I'll use this much shellac in my lifetime as a recreational
> woodworker.
>
> I'd like to know who out there would be willing (not a commitment by
> any means) to purchase 1 lb of top quality, clear (blonde) dewaxed
> shellac for $12 us dollars a pound + whatever shipping costs are to
> your location. So far the cheapest I've seen is on shellac.net for
> about 15 bucks. They are totally out of stock, however.
>
> I am not in the shellac business and I don't really want to, this is a
> one time deal for woodworkers.
>
> who would pay this?



I use this supplier which IMO has an excellent product sold in flakes.
I use their denatured alchol which is pure 200%. My furniture
reproductions demand the finest finishes and can honestly state that
their products are tops.
http://www.shellac.net/

LN

Lou Newell

in reply to [email protected] (todd the wood junkie) on 22/09/2004 8:44 AM

24/09/2004 4:58 PM



gustav wrote:
> [email protected] (todd the wood junkie) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>I am in the market for dewaxed shellac, but have not been happy with
>>price of reliable suppliers and availability of cheaper suppliers. I
>>ended up contacting several Indian companies myself, and have been
>>able to negotiate a decent price, but for 30kg (66lbs). There is no
>>way I'll use this much shellac in my lifetime as a recreational
>>woodworker.
>>
>>I'd like to know who out there would be willing (not a commitment by
>>any means) to purchase 1 lb of top quality, clear (blonde) dewaxed
>>shellac for $12 us dollars a pound + whatever shipping costs are to
>>your location. So far the cheapest I've seen is on shellac.net for
>>about 15 bucks. They are totally out of stock, however.
>>
>>I am not in the shellac business and I don't really want to, this is a
>>one time deal for woodworkers.
>>
>>who would pay this?
>
>
>
>
> I use this supplier which IMO has an excellent product sold in flakes.
> I use their denatured alchol which is pure 200%. My furniture
> reproductions demand the finest finishes and can honestly state that
> their products are tops.
> http://www.shellac.net/
200%??

pp

patriarch <[email protected]>

in reply to [email protected] (todd the wood junkie) on 22/09/2004 8:44 AM

22/09/2004 5:29 PM

"mp" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

>> I'd like to know who out there would be willing (not a commitment by
>> any means) to purchase 1 lb of top quality, clear (blonde) dewaxed
>> shellac for $12 us dollars a pound + whatever shipping costs are to
>> your location. So far the cheapest I've seen is on shellac.net for
>> about 15 bucks. They are totally out of stock, however.
>>
>> I am not in the shellac business and I don't really want to, this is
>> a one time deal for woodworkers.
>>
>> who would pay this?
>
> Not me. There are other suppliers of good quality shellac, like
> woodfinishingsupplies.com or homesteadfinishing.com. I'm sure if I
> were to purchase 60lbs from either supplier I could get it for less
> than $12/lb.

http://www.hockfinishes.com/

from the same good woodworkers that brought you excellent plane blades.

Good stuff, too.

Patriarch

pp

patriarch <[email protected]>

in reply to [email protected] (todd the wood junkie) on 22/09/2004 8:44 AM

22/09/2004 7:10 PM

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> "Conan the Librarian" wrote in message
>> FYI, there was once a galootish wooddorker and erstwhile rocket
>> scientist somewhere in LowCal who had the same idea. The next thing
>> he knew, he had about a ton of the stuff and it took over his garage,
>> then his home, then his marriage, his collection of jack planes and
>> then his job. He wound up in Ohiyuh somewhere where he nearly froze
>> to death, before finally selling all of the stuff off, getting a new
>> job and moving back to LowCal where he lived happily ever after.
>>
>> Amen.
>
> LOL ... and with no roof whatsoever needed over his workbench!
>
> So, you're saying that those who don't know history are doomed to
> repeat it? ;>)
>

Or end up living in Ohiyuh?

There's lots of things that seem to be really good ideas, when taken a
little bit at a time. Handplanes seem to fit in that category, too.

The garage is already history...

Patriarch

JM

John McCoy

in reply to [email protected] (todd the wood junkie) on 22/09/2004 8:44 AM

22/09/2004 9:41 PM

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> "Conan the Librarian" wrote in message
>> FYI, there was once a galootish wooddorker and erstwhile rocket
>> scientist somewhere in LowCal who had the same idea. The next thing
>> he knew, he had about a ton of the stuff and it took over his garage,
>> then his home, then his marriage, his collection of jack planes and
>> then his job. He wound up in Ohiyuh somewhere where he nearly froze
>> to death, before finally selling all of the stuff off, getting a new
>> job and moving back to LowCal where he lived happily ever after.
>>
>> Amen.
>
> LOL ... and with no roof whatsoever needed over his workbench!
>
> So, you're saying that those who don't know history are doomed to
> repeat it? ;>)

Let us quickly check the condition of Todd's workmutt, then: is
it in one piece or two?

John

DD

David

in reply to [email protected] (todd the wood junkie) on 22/09/2004 8:44 AM

24/09/2004 12:46 PM

that's "new math", Lou. :)

David

Lou Newell wrote:
>
>
> gustav wrote:
>
>> [email protected] (todd the wood junkie) wrote in message
>> news:<[email protected]>...
>>
>>> I am in the market for dewaxed shellac, but have not been happy with
>>> price of reliable suppliers and availability of cheaper suppliers. I
>>> ended up contacting several Indian companies myself, and have been
>>> able to negotiate a decent price, but for 30kg (66lbs). There is no
>>> way I'll use this much shellac in my lifetime as a recreational
>>> woodworker.
>>>
>>> I'd like to know who out there would be willing (not a commitment by
>>> any means) to purchase 1 lb of top quality, clear (blonde) dewaxed
>>> shellac for $12 us dollars a pound + whatever shipping costs are to
>>> your location. So far the cheapest I've seen is on shellac.net for
>>> about 15 bucks. They are totally out of stock, however.
>>>
>>> I am not in the shellac business and I don't really want to, this is a
>>> one time deal for woodworkers.
>>>
>>> who would pay this?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I use this supplier which IMO has an excellent product sold in flakes.
>> I use their denatured alchol which is pure 200%. My furniture
>> reproductions demand the finest finishes and can honestly state that
>> their products are tops.
>> http://www.shellac.net/
>
> 200%??
>

DD

David

in reply to [email protected] (todd the wood junkie) on 22/09/2004 8:44 AM

24/09/2004 12:47 PM

Todd? have a brewski and calm down... :)

David

todd the wood junkie wrote:

>
> I appreciate the "pearls of wisdom" from this group, but am still
> outraged by the 'lack of shellac'. Something must be done here.
>
> Todd

Ct

Conan the Librarian

in reply to [email protected] (todd the wood junkie) on 22/09/2004 8:44 AM

22/09/2004 12:43 PM

todd the wood junkie wrote:


> I am in the market for dewaxed shellac, but have not been happy with
> price of reliable suppliers and availability of cheaper suppliers. I
> ended up contacting several Indian companies myself, and have been
> able to negotiate a decent price, but for 30kg (66lbs). There is no
> way I'll use this much shellac in my lifetime as a recreational
> woodworker.
>
> I'd like to know who out there would be willing (not a commitment by
> any means) to purchase 1 lb of top quality, clear (blonde) dewaxed
> shellac for $12 us dollars a pound + whatever shipping costs are to
> your location. So far the cheapest I've seen is on shellac.net for
> about 15 bucks. They are totally out of stock, however.
>
> I am not in the shellac business and I don't really want to, this is a
> one time deal for woodworkers.
>
> who would pay this?

FYI, there was once a galootish wooddorker and erstwhile rocket
scientist somewhere in LowCal who had the same idea. The next thing he
knew, he had about a ton of the stuff and it took over his garage, then
his home, then his marriage, his collection of jack planes and then his
job. He wound up in Ohiyuh somewhere where he nearly froze to death,
before finally selling all of the stuff off, getting a new job and
moving back to LowCal where he lived happily ever after.

Amen.


Chuck Vance
Just say (tmPL) In other words, it sounds like a great idea.



MM

Mike M

in reply to [email protected] (todd the wood junkie) on 22/09/2004 8:44 AM

24/09/2004 7:42 PM

I think you were entirely to subtle and should have shamelessly
plugged your website.

MikeM

On 23 Sep 2004 09:38:25 -0700, [email protected] (Patrick Olguin)
wrote:

>[email protected] (todd the wood junkie) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> I am in the market for dewaxed shellac, but have not been happy with
>> price of reliable suppliers and availability of cheaper suppliers. I
>> ended up contacting several Indian companies myself
>
>Not that I have any personal experience in the matter, but a person
>can theoretically fit twenty-four 25Kg boxes of shellac flakes into
>the back of a 1995 GMC Suburban, with all the seats folded flat. The
>shellac-hauling capacity of a 1991 Buick Century is approximately
>160Kg, give or take a flake or two.
>
>This is of course, purely speculation on my part.
>
>Humbly submitted,
>O'Deen


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