I am new to the world of raised panel doors.
After made a sample panel from a free software, I found the panel having (total)
3/8" gap sideways (play) and the top have 1/4" gap, is that a lot? When I did the
paper/pen measurements, the gap was much tighter.
If my bit are 3/8" depth, what measurements should I use for the side width to make
the rail minus 4" (example, for 10" width door, what it take to make the rail exact
6")?
Are 3/8" bit depth popular sizes or there are other sizes?
Which is used mostly? Rubber balls or two nails (top/bottom) to align/hold the
panels? I am aware about reading panels never to be glued.
Another thing, while I have a templet for stile and cope, I will need to make a
bigger one for the panel. How do you go about adjusting the bit height?
BTW, what are the 3 bits called as? Stile, Cope, and Panel?
Chuck
OK, so I think the software from "Software for Woodworkers" is not that
accurate (their note states it WILL be 3/8"th). I made two more samples
today and the panel seems way too lose anyway.
BTW, someone emailed me the Excel measurements, I haven't looked into it
yet (three weeks left for school!!!!!!).
> The gap on each side of the panel should be 1/8".
OK, will look int it.
> Use Spaceballs or Panalign strips in the grooves to center the panel
> and help reduce rattling.
OK. This 3-pieces I bought (first time) was for $60. I just want to
practice. I am planning to buy CMT (maybe will consider other brands)
after this practice. Boy, just for CMT 3-pieces is like $250! 5-pieces
easily $500.
> Like I said the other day, 7/16 depth is what CMT uses.
"silver of wood", meaning absolutely no gap? I will need to practice the
cope (it scatters the edges, noticeable face side).
> The cope cutter is used on the ends of the rails. Watch the
> depth--makes sure you don't leave just a sliver of wood on the top
> edge.
OK, how do you go about adjusting the bit height? By cutting samples?
Including the raised panel?
> Typical shoulder on front side is 1/8" thick.
Chuck
I see. I used the same little block of wood. Now, I will use bigger scraps
and will use fresh corners to help prevent tears at the end (like you said,
zero tolerance).
Today, I was looking at the JessEm Mite-R-Slide (just looking at it, it's a
$275 toy). But, it doesn't have zero tolerance. Thanks for bring this up.
Chuck
> ADDITIONALLY, I always use a SQUARE scrap of 3/4" plywood,
> about 10" square to guide the rails while cutting the coped ends. I
> run the plywood along the router table fence to push the rails
> through. The plywood keeps every thing square and provides a zero
> clearance back up to help prevent tear out on the back side of the
> cut.
"CNT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> OK. This 3-pieces I bought (first time) was for $60. I just want to
> practice. I am planning to buy CMT (maybe will consider other brands)
> after this practice. Boy, just for CMT 3-pieces is like $250! 5-pieces
> easily $500.
Typically you can find a good set of 3 cutters for about $150.
>
>> Like I said the other day, 7/16 depth is what CMT uses.
>
> "silver of wood", meaning absolutely no gap? I will need to practice the
> cope (it scatters the edges, noticeable face side).
I always cut the cope ends of the rails first. A lot of the tear out can be
cleaned up when you later make the stile pass on the rails and stiles.
ADDITIONALLY, I always use a SQUARE scrap of 3/4" plywood, about 10" square
to guide the rails while cutting the coped ends. I run the plywood along
the router table fence to push the rails through. The plywood keeps every
thing square and provides a zero clearance back up to help prevent tear out
on the back side of the cut.
> OK, how do you go about adjusting the bit height? By cutting samples?
> Including the raised panel?
Any more, I eye ball the height for the cope cut and use the result to set
up the stile bit. In the early days, LOL I did use samples to help set up
cutter height.
I get them here
http://wwhardware.com/
and here
www.rockler.com
"Christian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>> I use the Space Balls.
>
> Where can we find these ball in canada I see that leevalley no longer have
> them...
>
> Christian
>
The gap on each side of the panel should be 1/8".
Use Spaceballs or Panalign strips in the grooves to center the panel and
help reduce rattling.
Like I said the other day, 7/16 depth is what CMT uses.
The cope cutter is used on the ends of the rails. Watch the
depth--makes sure you don't leave just a sliver of wood on the top edge.
Typical shoulder on front side is 1/8" thick.
The stile cutter is used on all 4 pieces.
Raised panel cutter cuts the panel.
Dave
CNT wrote:
> I am new to the world of raised panel doors.
>
> After made a sample panel from a free software, I found the panel having (total)
> 3/8" gap sideways (play) and the top have 1/4" gap, is that a lot? When I did the
> paper/pen measurements, the gap was much tighter.
>
> If my bit are 3/8" depth, what measurements should I use for the side width to make
> the rail minus 4" (example, for 10" width door, what it take to make the rail exact
> 6")?
>
> Are 3/8" bit depth popular sizes or there are other sizes?
>
> Which is used mostly? Rubber balls or two nails (top/bottom) to align/hold the
> panels? I am aware about reading panels never to be glued.
>
> Another thing, while I have a templet for stile and cope, I will need to make a
> bigger one for the panel. How do you go about adjusting the bit height?
>
> BTW, what are the 3 bits called as? Stile, Cope, and Panel?
>
> Chuck
"CNT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I am new to the world of raised panel doors.
>
> After made a sample panel from a free software, I found the panel having
> (total)
> 3/8" gap sideways (play) and the top have 1/4" gap, is that a lot? When I
> did the
> paper/pen measurements, the gap was much tighter.
>
> If my bit are 3/8" depth, what measurements should I use for the side
> width to make
> the rail minus 4" (example, for 10" width door, what it take to make the
> rail exact
> 6")?
>
> Are 3/8" bit depth popular sizes or there are other sizes?
Chuck, I build the door frames with my typical rail and stile router bits.
I dry fit the pieces and measure the inside demensions of the frame and add
1/2" to the width and 1/2" to the length of that opening to determine the
size blank to make the raised panel from.
>
> Which is used mostly? Rubber balls or two nails (top/bottom) to align/hold
> the
> panels? I am aware about reading panels never to be glued.
I use the Space Balls.
> Another thing, while I have a templet for stile and cope, I will need to
> make a
> bigger one for the panel. How do you go about adjusting the bit height?
Practice on same thickness stock and dry fit to the pre made rail and stile
frame.
Actually, setting the height for the first cut is the only one that
you'll need to "try out". Get the height correct for the cope, make the
cope cuts on the ends of the rails, and then change bits. The second
bit's height is a breeze to set up--all you have to do is align the
cutter that makes the groove align with the tongue you just cut on the
ends of the rails. Any slight mismatch is handled by sanding the
completely door frame. Of course, you don't want to be off much; I
shoot for perfection, and usually get it close enough that a bit of
sanding flushes all the parts. I'm not talking fractions of an inch;
I'm talking less than .005.
You'll have less headaches if you get your hands on the Sommerfeld
instructions. Start here:
http://www.sommerfeldtools.com/tutorial-archedraisedpaneldoors-1.asp
that will give you the instructions!
CNT wrote:
> OK, so I think the software from "Software for Woodworkers" is not that
> accurate (their note states it WILL be 3/8"th). I made two more samples
> today and the panel seems way too lose anyway.
>
> BTW, someone emailed me the Excel measurements, I haven't looked into it
> yet (three weeks left for school!!!!!!).
>
>
>>The gap on each side of the panel should be 1/8".
>
>
> OK, will look int it.
>
>
>>Use Spaceballs or Panalign strips in the grooves to center the panel
>>and help reduce rattling.
>
>
> OK. This 3-pieces I bought (first time) was for $60. I just want to
> practice. I am planning to buy CMT (maybe will consider other brands)
> after this practice. Boy, just for CMT 3-pieces is like $250! 5-pieces
> easily $500.
>
>
>>Like I said the other day, 7/16 depth is what CMT uses.
>
>
> "silver of wood", meaning absolutely no gap? I will need to practice the
> cope (it scatters the edges, noticeable face side).
>
>
>>The cope cutter is used on the ends of the rails. Watch the
>>depth--makes sure you don't leave just a sliver of wood on the top
>>edge.
>
>
> OK, how do you go about adjusting the bit height? By cutting samples?
> Including the raised panel?
>
>
>>Typical shoulder on front side is 1/8" thick.
>
>
> Chuck
On Tue, 03 May 2005 21:44:58 GMT, "Christian" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Where can we find these ball in canada
Make your own.
Squirt a line of silicone sealer on polyethylene sheet, leave it a day,
then slice it into blobs with a razor blade.
Ribbed rubber tubing. Cut 1/2"-1" chunks that don't roll around much
in the dado.
On Thu, 05 May 2005 10:08:40 GMT, "Christian" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>> Window screen spline comes in more than one size.
>
>do you use the foam stuff or the rubber stuff?
>
>Christian
>
Window screen spline comes in more than one size.
On Tue, 03 May 2005 21:44:58 GMT, "Christian" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>> I use the Space Balls.
>
>Where can we find these ball in canada I see that leevalley no longer have
>them...
>
>Christian
>