I'm the computer programmer who posted here a couple weeks ago. Thanks to
the help here the desk turned out nice.. a $500 desk for just $80 worth of
lumber.
I want to build more stuff so I'm looking for tools. Are Grizzly tools any
good? I ran across someone who is selling a used grizzly saw that takes 220
power, a 8" grizzly jointer, and a 3hp grizzly shaper all for $1000. Is that
price reasonable and are those important tools to own for building
furniture? Thanks.
I'm going to sound like a wet blanket here. First, the tools are a
good deal for a "serious" woodworker who needs the tools and plans on
doing woodworking for a lifetime. However, if you're just starting
out, you may never develop to the point of using a shaper. It would
make for an extremely expensive paperweight (others will argue you can
sell it). I wouldn't even buy a $1200 cabinet saw starting out. My
dad does good occassional project work with a craftsman contractors
saw. They can be had for around $600. I started the same way, but
have graduated to a cabinet saw. I would recommend graduating to
larger and better tools as the need arises and your skill level
develops. You'll have the opportunity to buy high quality tools at
good prices, when you need them. It's not as cost effective if you end
up buying a 15" planer, 8" jointer, and 3 HP cabinet saw anyways. It's
just as bad to have a garage filled with $10,000 worth of tools that
you don't know how, and will never use.
Jake wrote:
> I wouldn't even buy a $1200 cabinet saw starting out. My
> dad does good occassional project work with a craftsman contractors
> saw. They can be had for around $600. I started the same way, but
> have graduated to a cabinet saw.
If he buys these tools for $1000, he can sell the shaper and still have
much less than $600 in his cabinet saw. Where's the downside?
Jon Larsson
It's not much fun parking your car in the snow :-) My wife would be
even less enthused. Many cold, cold winter nights. It's not just
buying a shaper, it's buying the bits at $30 bucks a pop. I'd rather
have a good router, router table, and bit set, especially just starting
out. There's also the issue of 220 wiring. There's a cost associated
with putting that in. The original author said the table saw was 220
volts. The doesn't mean it's a cabinet saw. I have a craftsman
tablesaw, 220 aftermarket motor worth about $200. Does Rich have a
dedicated space, or will he be dragging this jointer across the room
when he needs it or purchasing mobile bases? Just my thoughts. Extra
$$$ and inconveniences he may not have thought of. If he intends to go
full out, it doesn't sound bad, but it really depends on the specific
table saw, the condition of all the tools, space constraints, budget
constraints and frequency of intended use.
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:41:47 -0700, "Rich" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm the computer programmer who posted here a couple weeks ago. Thanks to
>the help here the desk turned out nice.. a $500 desk for just $80 worth of
>lumber.
>
>I want to build more stuff so I'm looking for tools. Are Grizzly tools any
>good? I ran across someone who is selling a used grizzly saw that takes 220
>power, a 8" grizzly jointer, and a 3hp grizzly shaper all for $1000. Is that
>price reasonable and are those important tools to own for building
>furniture? Thanks.
>
Most weekend woodworkers really do not really need a shaper... and
without knowing what kind of saw you are talking about there is no way
I can comment...
HOWEVER.... mention 8 inch jointer and everyone who reads this
newsgroup will have a heart that is fluttering and a mouth that is
watering ....
Now mention 1000 dollars total ... and the heart goes into
fibrilation...
Grizley offers some darn good machines especially for the price
they seem to have a rep for requiring a lot of set up time and fine
tunning to make them function well BUT once that is done they seem to
preform quite well...
8 In ch Joiner..... lol.... Love to have one..
Bob Griffiths
Rich wrote:
<snip>
> I want to build more stuff so I'm looking for tools. Are Grizzly tools any
> good? I ran across someone who is selling a used grizzly saw that takes 220
> power, a 8" grizzly jointer, and a 3hp grizzly shaper all for $1000. Is that
> price reasonable and are those important tools to own for building
> furniture? Thanks.
Yes, yes and yes.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
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"Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I'm the computer programmer who posted here a couple weeks ago. Thanks to
> the help here the desk turned out nice.. a $500 desk for just $80 worth of
> lumber.
>
> I want to build more stuff so I'm looking for tools. Are Grizzly tools any
> good? I ran across someone who is selling a used grizzly saw that takes
220
> power, a 8" grizzly jointer, and a 3hp grizzly shaper all for $1000. Is
that
> price reasonable and are those important tools to own for building
> furniture? Thanks.
What does an 8" jointer do? What the heck is a JOINTER? Google isn't being
very helpful.
In which case would you need a jointer?
The things I want to make are desks, drawers, etc so I guess I could live
with a hand held router? A cheapy table saw? But what is this jointer for?
Seems everyone wants or has one.
Richard
(computer programmer becoming woodworker)
Jump on it!
"Rich" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm the computer programmer who posted here a couple weeks ago. Thanks to
>the help here the desk turned out nice.. a $500 desk for just $80 worth of
>lumber.
>
>I want to build more stuff so I'm looking for tools. Are Grizzly tools any
>good? I ran across someone who is selling a used grizzly saw that takes 220
>power, a 8" grizzly jointer, and a 3hp grizzly shaper all for $1000. Is that
>price reasonable and are those important tools to own for building
>furniture? Thanks.
>
>
Rich
Jointer ranks amongst my favorite tools. In addition to straight edges for
glue-up, it is also the first step on the "flat" before going to the
affordable thickness planers (without a somewhat flat surface, the flex in
the planer tables will not flatten a board). Since it is adjustable to
"micro" depths (e.g. 1/64th), it cleans the blade marks off of rip cuts from
the table saw and also is a good tool to trim width to exact dimensions.
Also great for beveling since the fence tilts.
"Technique" takes some time to learn but once figured out it is a great
tool.
"Ollie" <Olivili at Hot Mail dot com> wrote in message
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> Rich,
>
> Jointer is a tool that allows cutting very straight edges that can be
> jointed together. The straight edges are the foundation for all accurate
> woodworking projects.
>
> Cheers, Ollie (another bit beater who likes to make some saw dust)
>
> "Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:A_iId.4942$ry.3567@fed1read05...
>> "Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:JihId.4918$ry.2876@fed1read05...
>>> I'm the computer programmer who posted here a couple weeks ago. Thanks
>>> to
>>> the help here the desk turned out nice.. a $500 desk for just $80 worth
>>> of
>>> lumber.
>>>
>>> I want to build more stuff so I'm looking for tools. Are Grizzly tools
>>> any
>>> good? I ran across someone who is selling a used grizzly saw that takes
>> 220
>>> power, a 8" grizzly jointer, and a 3hp grizzly shaper all for $1000. Is
>> that
>>> price reasonable and are those important tools to own for building
>>> furniture? Thanks.
>>
>>
>> What does an 8" jointer do? What the heck is a JOINTER? Google isn't
>> being
>> very helpful.
>> In which case would you need a jointer?
>>
>> The things I want to make are desks, drawers, etc so I guess I could live
>> with a hand held router? A cheapy table saw? But what is this jointer
>> for?
>> Seems everyone wants or has one.
>>
>> Richard
>> (computer programmer becoming woodworker)
>>
>>
>
>
Rich,
Jointer is a tool that allows cutting very straight edges that can be
jointed together. The straight edges are the foundation for all accurate
woodworking projects.
Cheers, Ollie (another bit beater who likes to make some saw dust)
"Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:JihId.4918$ry.2876@fed1read05...
>> I'm the computer programmer who posted here a couple weeks ago. Thanks to
>> the help here the desk turned out nice.. a $500 desk for just $80 worth
>> of
>> lumber.
>>
>> I want to build more stuff so I'm looking for tools. Are Grizzly tools
>> any
>> good? I ran across someone who is selling a used grizzly saw that takes
> 220
>> power, a 8" grizzly jointer, and a 3hp grizzly shaper all for $1000. Is
> that
>> price reasonable and are those important tools to own for building
>> furniture? Thanks.
>
>
> What does an 8" jointer do? What the heck is a JOINTER? Google isn't being
> very helpful.
> In which case would you need a jointer?
>
> The things I want to make are desks, drawers, etc so I guess I could live
> with a hand held router? A cheapy table saw? But what is this jointer for?
> Seems everyone wants or has one.
>
> Richard
> (computer programmer becoming woodworker)
>
>
"Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in news:A_iId.4942$ry.3567@fed1read05:
<snip>
>
> What does an 8" jointer do? What the heck is a JOINTER? Google isn't
> being very helpful.
> In which case would you need a jointer?
>
> The things I want to make are desks, drawers, etc so I guess I could
> live with a hand held router? A cheapy table saw? But what is this
> jointer for? Seems everyone wants or has one.
>
> Richard
So, some questions are in order.
Would having the $1000 in tools, rather than in the bank, seriously
impair your financial situation?
Are you willing to take an Adult Ed class or 3, before you ever turn on
the equipment you have been offered?
Do you have sufficient room in the garage/basement/shed to store, and
then later use these?
How do you feel about selling things to strangers?
Some comments:
A shaper should be used only by someone who understands its operations,
and has been instructed and shown in person how it works. The same is
probably also true for the other tools, but television probably provides
more opportunity to understand how to use a tablesaw and a jointer.
rec.woodworking is not set up to instruct you how to safely use power
tools. It's a text based group of folks who swap information,
speculation, lies, opinion and so forth. Although I've come to trust
many of the posters here, because of their history, as a newbie, there
was no way to validate who was knowledgable, and who was spreading
fertilizer. You need to be shown by someone, in person, who knows how
to use these tools, and cares that they are used safely. As Charles
Schultz had Snoopy say, "On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog".
The dollar figure for the tools is probably a good deal. If they work,
and haven't been abused. I'd likely spend the grand, and then put the
shaper and saw up for sale, but that's me. I have a good cabinet saw
and router table, which serve my needs and more.
Other used equipment deals will come along. _very_few_ used gear
opportunities are truly once in a lifetime. Unisaws with three digit
serial numbers, etc.
I'm glad the desk worked out. Welcome to the hobby.
Patriarch
I think the 8 jointer is around $800 new, shaper I guess the same, table saw
new guess $400 to $800+ new, If they all work and are not beaten up or
abused I think its worth it. www.grizzly.com will have the correct new
prices. I'd love to had an 8" jointer
"Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I'm the computer programmer who posted here a couple weeks ago. Thanks to
> the help here the desk turned out nice.. a $500 desk for just $80 worth of
> lumber.
>
> I want to build more stuff so I'm looking for tools. Are Grizzly tools any
> good? I ran across someone who is selling a used grizzly saw that takes
> 220
> power, a 8" grizzly jointer, and a 3hp grizzly shaper all for $1000. Is
> that
> price reasonable and are those important tools to own for building
> furniture? Thanks.
>
>
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:41:47 -0700, Rich wrote:
> I'm the computer programmer who posted here a couple weeks ago. Thanks to
> the help here the desk turned out nice.. a $500 desk for just $80 worth of
> lumber.
>
> I want to build more stuff so I'm looking for tools. Are Grizzly tools any
> good? I ran across someone who is selling a used grizzly saw that takes
> 220 power, a 8" grizzly jointer, and a 3hp grizzly shaper all for $1000.
> Is that price reasonable and are those important tools to own for building
> furniture? Thanks.
Grizzly is generally regarded as a good inexpensive brand. Their machines
may need a bit more TLC at setup time, but perform well thereafter. I have
several in my shop. I'll probably replace all of them at some point, but I
have a pretty complete shop now, for relatively little money.
As to your specific deal, it depends (you'll see that answer a lot here).
Is the saw a cabinet table saw (has a base that sorta looks like a
pedestal) or a contractor's table saw (has spindly legs underneath)? The
cabinet saw is more desireable and are more expensive new. An 8" jointer
is nice, you may never need/want another. I'd probably skip the shaper if
you're just starting out. You'd probably get more utility from a good
router. You can check current prices at grizzly.com.
Have fun with it!
--
Joe Wells
Rich -
If you're going to build furniture, you have to be able to accurately
measure and mark your stock so that a single small error, perhaps repeated
on other components, doesn't compound and come back to haunt you as you
begin assembly.
A jointer is used to provide a flat surface or edge for reference. For the
sake of arguement, lets say you had a board that was surfaced and looked
square, but had a slight bow of 1/4" along one edge. If you didn't joint
the edge of the board, the "hollow" of the board, that you've assumed was
true and straight would give you crosscuts of something other than 90
degrees when you cross-cut, as the "untrue" edge would give you a varying
reference point against the fence when you made the cuts. Those errors
would then compound. Safety is also an issue - cutting stock that doesn't
ride true against the fence during a rip cut could kick back.
Check out http://www.finewoodworking.com or
http://woodworking.about.com/cs/powertools/a/powertools01.htm for some
background on the best way to use power (and hand) tools in a safe and
productive manner. The site at about.com is a good place to start.
The shaper is nice, but may be a bit much for your need (at least for now)
Shapers and routers are used to put edge profiles on stock as well as
joinery fuctions, but cutters for routers are significantly less expensive
than shaper cutters. Depending on your situation, you might want to buy the
set and then sell the shaper. The deal you are talking about would be a
deal if the equipment isn't chewed up. If the tablesaw is a cabinet saw,
it's a very good deal. I'd jump at the chance to get a deal on an 8"
jointer!
You are among friends here, so continue to post your questions. Don't
forget that a trip to the library can give you all kinds of information.
Almost anything from Tauton Press (the Fine Woodworking and Fine
Homebuilding folks) is going to answer alot of questions for you. They also
have DVD's and Videotapes that may be a hit or miss, but ANYTHING by either
Frank Klausz (sp??) or Bob Flexner is a must-see.
If you can, post pics of your desk over in
alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking - I know I'd like to see them! Good luck
and congratulations, I hope, on your first major tool purchase and gloat.
Not everyone here has been so lucky.
Let the rec know how you did!
John Moorhead
"Jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> It would
> make for an extremely expensive paperweight (others will argue you can
> sell it).
I'd make that argument.
>I wouldn't even buy a $1200 cabinet saw starting out. My
> dad does good occassional project work with a craftsman contractors
> saw. They can be had for around $600. I started the same way, but
> have graduated to a cabinet saw. I would recommend graduating to
> larger and better tools as the need arises and your skill level
> develops.
Your argumnehnt would be well made if he was starting out with new tools,
but this sounds like an excellent buy. I have to assume he can afford it or
he would not be asking.
> You'll have the opportunity to buy high quality tools at
> good prices, when you need them.
I've been looking for about four years and have not run across a deal like
that yet. I would have jumped on it. Mayber my time will come, but in the
meatine, I enjoy using what I did buy.
> It's
> just as bad to have a garage filled with $10,000 worth of tools that
> you don't know how, and will never use.
But if you piad $5000 for those tools and can sell them for $7500, what is
the downside?
It is cloudy now, but the sun will be out on Monday. I hope your blanket
dries out.
>
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