On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:00:24 -0400, Leon Fisk wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 17:42:04 -0400
> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> On an administrative topic... For a couple of weeks, RH's initial post has
>>> not shown up on rec.puzzles. I don't know if this is a problem with my
>>> reader, my news server, or something with RH's posting process. Anyone out
>>> there, who knows something about the news posting process, got any
>>> suggestions about how I can fix things?
>>
>>
>>I haven't changed anything in my posting process, been doing it the same for
>>the past few years. Does it show up in either of the other two groups or is
>>it just rec.puzzles? I can see my post on my reader and also at Google
>>groups, not sure why it's not getting picked up by your news server.
>>
>>Rob
>
> I've been using eternal-september.org since my provider dropped
> usenet... Your initial post hasn't been coming through for several weeks
> now, maybe months. It is either being deleted due to some sort of
> content problem by ETO or your news provider isn't in the loop that
> they check in with. If this post is using the same provider, then there
> must be something about your initial post that ETO doesn't like...
Im using eternal-september.org as my supplier and its always in rec.puzzles
each week so it is there must be something else, Heres a thought some news
readers hide multi-cross posted articles maybe its that?.
just anothe thing to check.
Robin
2307 - one of my first thoughts was it was for scribing and/or cutting
F notes on something like a cello - a function in mass producing
cellos or the like? Down the middle are 2 tracks. The scribing unit
woud be placed on each track, in turn, and runs down each track for
each side, and the F notes would be evenly spaced/symetrical. ... Or
some similar function.
Sonny
2309 looks like some kind of nipper. Is it possible that it was used
for tile work? Either repairing tile, or possibly in creating
mosaics?
(sorry if this is a dupe - google looks to have eaten first post)
On Jul 28, 3:10=A0am, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> A new set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Rob
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Rob H. wrote:
>>
>>> 2305) Old gunsmith's tool for generating rifling in a rifle barrel. A
>>> cutter is mounted on the small diameter section, the barrel
>>> clamped in the wood "tombstones", and as the operator draws it
>>> by the handle at the end, the spiral grooves in the larger
>>> diameter wood part rotate the cutter as it is drawn through the
>>> barrel.
>>
>>
>> Good answer
>
> Definitely! I appreciate the explanation! I couldn't "see" it..
> Any idea how many times would the cutter need to be worked through the
> inside of the barrel to get the desired result?
A lot. I have done this with a modern version of the tool, which was a piece
of 5/8" square bar that we twisted by putting one end into a BIG shop vise,
and two pipe wrenches on the other end. But it twisted quite evenly. (1:48,
IIRC). It runs through a square hole in a piece of steel plate, with lots of
grease.
I've only made a rifled barrel for a muzzleloading pistol with it, but my
old friend, whose project it was, made a rifle barrel for a deer rifle. He
started with a smoothbore blank from Dixie.
For cutters, I used a stack of hacksaw blade pieces cut out with a Dremel,
using the thin silicon carbide cutoff wheels. After each couple of passes of
the rifling tool we shimmed it up 0.002" at a time to cut deeper. I rigged a
block and tackle to pull it through. Then I lapped the barrel, spending
hours of progressive lapping to get a decent finish.
> And who thought of rifling! : )
Swiss or Germans. The originals were their jaeger (hunting) rifles of the
17th century (I think).
--
Ed Huntress
>
> Bill
"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2011-07-28, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Rob H. wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2305) Old gunsmith's tool for generating rifling in a rifle barrel. A
>>>> cutter is mounted on the small diameter section, the barrel
>>>> clamped in the wood "tombstones", and as the operator draws it
>>>> by the handle at the end, the spiral grooves in the larger
>>>> diameter wood part rotate the cutter as it is drawn through the
>>>> barrel.
>>>
>>>
>>> Good answer
>>
>> Definitely! I appreciate the explanation! I couldn't "see" it..
>> Any idea how many times would the cutter need to be worked through the
>> inside of the barrel to get the desired result?
>
> Since it had what looks like five grooves in the master, and it
> is capable of cutting one groove in the barrel at a time (too much
> cutting force for more), I would say that at least five passes for a
> single depth, and perhaps four or five passes per groove to get the
> desired depth.
>
>> And who thought of
>> rifling! : )
>
> I would suspect that it came from archery. The flights
> (feather) on arrows are angled slightly to produce a spin which
> stabilizes the arrow in flight. I suspect that they started with just
> straight feathers to hold the tail behind the head, and someone by
> accident tilted the feathers enough to produce a spin and noticed that
> it made for more stable flight (likely comparing the feathers on several
> arrows made at the same time). Once it was discovered, they
> experimented until they found what angle worked best.
>
> Once the long firearms (which started out as smoothbore, and
> used patched round balls) graduated to conical bullets, they discovered
> that the longer ones (which would carry more energy to the target)
> tumbled, so they looked for a way to spin them too. While bullets could
> have been cast with spiral grooves, actually putting the grooves in the
> barrel would give a more certain spin, and thus would be used by
> preference.
Rifles were around for a long time before conical bullets, Don. The original
Swiss and German jaeger rifles used round lead balls -- with no patches.
They used a hammer to hit the end of the ramrod, driving an oversize ball
down the rifling.
--
Ed Huntress
>
> Note that an experimental/short-lived firearm called the
> "Gyrojet" had the powder (really "propellant") inside the bullet, fired
> by a central primer, and had a ring of angled holes around the primer to
> give the bullet a spin.
>
> See: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrojet>
>
> Enjoy,
> DoN.
>
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"Paul K. Dickman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Northe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:a2a14424-5188-4449-98c8-e98b379240dc@x19g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>> 2308: Joseph Joseph spaghetti measure for 1-4 servings.
>>
>> see: <<http://www.aplusrstore.com/product.php?id=427>>
>>
>> Northe
>
> Good god!
>
> How big a nincompoop do you have to be to need a fancy gizmo to measure
> your dry spaghetti.
>
> Paul K. Dickman
Oh, I knew I'd seen that thing before. My wife almost ordered one recently.
Cheapsake Ed stopped her. <g>
There are diet formulas that base consumption on the cross-section area of
spaghetti you use. That was my wife's interest. But we have a food scale,
which is the alternate way to do it.
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Ed Huntress
"Matthew Russotto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Ed Huntress <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>"Paul K. Dickman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "Northe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:a2a14424-5188-4449-98c8-e98b379240dc@x19g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>>>> 2308: Joseph Joseph spaghetti measure for 1-4 servings.
>>>>
>>>> see: <<http://www.aplusrstore.com/product.php?id=427>>
>>>>
>>>> Northe
>>>
>>> Good god!
>>>
>>> How big a nincompoop do you have to be to need a fancy gizmo to measure
>>> your dry spaghetti.
>>>
>>> Paul K. Dickman
>>
>>Oh, I knew I'd seen that thing before. My wife almost ordered one
>>recently.
>>Cheapsake Ed stopped her. <g>
>>
>>There are diet formulas that base consumption on the cross-section area of
>>spaghetti you use. That was my wife's interest. But we have a food scale,
>>which is the alternate way to do it.
>
> I use cross-sectional area, but I just hold it between my thumb and
> forefinger and eyeball it. It's too bad this thing doesn't work so
> well because my Mk1 eyeball isn't so repeatable and so we often end up
> with too much spaghetti.
<g> My Italian aunt was quite good at it. But I knew she'd make me eat a LOT
of spaghetti.
--
Ed Huntress
"Benny Fishhole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:50:33 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Matthew Russotto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> Ed Huntress <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"Paul K. Dickman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Northe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:a2a14424-5188-4449-98c8-e98b379240dc@x19g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> 2308: Joseph Joseph spaghetti measure for 1-4 servings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> see: <<http://www.aplusrstore.com/product.php?id=427>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Northe
>>>>>
>>>>> Good god!
>>>>>
>>>>> How big a nincompoop do you have to be to need a fancy gizmo to
>>>>> measure
>>>>> your dry spaghetti.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul K. Dickman
>>>>
>>>>Oh, I knew I'd seen that thing before. My wife almost ordered one
>>>>recently.
>>>>Cheapsake Ed stopped her. <g>
>>>>
>>>>There are diet formulas that base consumption on the cross-section area
>>>>of
>>>>spaghetti you use. That was my wife's interest. But we have a food
>>>>scale,
>>>>which is the alternate way to do it.
>>>
>>> I use cross-sectional area, but I just hold it between my thumb and
>>> forefinger and eyeball it. It's too bad this thing doesn't work so
>>> well because my Mk1 eyeball isn't so repeatable and so we often end up
>>> with too much spaghetti.
>>
>><g> My Italian aunt was quite good at it. But I knew she'd make me eat a
>>LOT
>>of spaghetti.
>
> She'd probably get along with Hack's grandmother.
She got along with a lot of people. I have no idea who you're talking about,
but then, neither do you.
--
Ed Huntress
"Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>
>> "Benny Fishhole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:50:33 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>"Matthew Russotto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >>news:[email protected]...
>> >>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> >>> Ed Huntress <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>"Paul K. Dickman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >>>>news:[email protected]...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "Northe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >>>>> news:a2a14424-5188-4449-98c8-e98b379240dc@x19g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>>>> 2308: Joseph Joseph spaghetti measure for 1-4 servings.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> see: <<http://www.aplusrstore.com/product.php?id=427>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Northe
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Good god!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> How big a nincompoop do you have to be to need a fancy gizmo to
>> >>>>> measure
>> >>>>> your dry spaghetti.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Paul K. Dickman
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Oh, I knew I'd seen that thing before. My wife almost ordered one
>> >>>>recently.
>> >>>>Cheapsake Ed stopped her. <g>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>There are diet formulas that base consumption on the cross-section
>> >>>>area
>> >>>>of
>> >>>>spaghetti you use. That was my wife's interest. But we have a food
>> >>>>scale,
>> >>>>which is the alternate way to do it.
>> >>>
>> >>> I use cross-sectional area, but I just hold it between my thumb and
>> >>> forefinger and eyeball it. It's too bad this thing doesn't work so
>> >>> well because my Mk1 eyeball isn't so repeatable and so we often end
>> >>> up
>> >>> with too much spaghetti.
>> >>
>> >><g> My Italian aunt was quite good at it. But I knew she'd make me eat
>> >>a
>> >>LOT
>> >>of spaghetti.
>> >
>> > She'd probably get along with Hack's grandmother.
>>
>> She got along with a lot of people. I have no idea who you're talking
>> about,
>> but then, neither do you.
>
>
> Sigh. HAWKE!
Do you have a relationship with Hawke's grandmother or something? I've never
even met her, myself.
--
Ed Huntress
"Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>
>> "Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> > Ed Huntress wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Benny Fishhole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email protected]...
>> >> > On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:50:33 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
>> >> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>"Matthew Russotto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> >>news:[email protected]...
>> >> >>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> >> >>> Ed Huntress <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>"Paul K. Dickman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>news:[email protected]...
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> "Northe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>> news:a2a14424-5188-4449-98c8-e98b379240dc@x19g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >>>>>> 2308: Joseph Joseph spaghetti measure for 1-4 servings.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> see: <<http://www.aplusrstore.com/product.php?id=427>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Northe
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Good god!
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> How big a nincompoop do you have to be to need a fancy gizmo to
>> >> >>>>> measure
>> >> >>>>> your dry spaghetti.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Paul K. Dickman
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Oh, I knew I'd seen that thing before. My wife almost ordered one
>> >> >>>>recently.
>> >> >>>>Cheapsake Ed stopped her. <g>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>There are diet formulas that base consumption on the cross-section
>> >> >>>>area
>> >> >>>>of
>> >> >>>>spaghetti you use. That was my wife's interest. But we have a food
>> >> >>>>scale,
>> >> >>>>which is the alternate way to do it.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I use cross-sectional area, but I just hold it between my thumb
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> forefinger and eyeball it. It's too bad this thing doesn't work
>> >> >>> so
>> >> >>> well because my Mk1 eyeball isn't so repeatable and so we often
>> >> >>> end
>> >> >>> up
>> >> >>> with too much spaghetti.
>> >> >>
>> >> >><g> My Italian aunt was quite good at it. But I knew she'd make me
>> >> >>eat
>> >> >>a
>> >> >>LOT
>> >> >>of spaghetti.
>> >> >
>> >> > She'd probably get along with Hack's grandmother.
>> >>
>> >> She got along with a lot of people. I have no idea who you're talking
>> >> about,
>> >> but then, neither do you.
>> >
>> >
>> > Sigh. HAWKE!
>>
>> Do you have a relationship with Hawke's grandmother or something? I've
>> never
>> even met her, myself.
>
>
> Yawn.
Oh, it must be time for Michael's little power nap...
--
Ed Huntress
In article <[email protected]>,
DoN. Nichols <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2011-07-31, Michael A. Terrell <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> "DoN. Nichols" wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
>
>>> But most news servers are somewhat more selective about what
>>> they keep. I ran one at home for several years, until my then ISP
>>> discontinued newsfeeds, and shortly after shut down it's news server
>>> too. I had the expire time on different newsgroups set differently.
>>> Some (e.g. rec.crafts.metalworking) I tried to keep 30 days of, many
>>> only about two or three days, and I received only a small percentage of
>>> the newsgroups then present. (Including only two or three alt groups,
>>> IIRC.) At the time I lost the newsfeed, the daily flow was three or
>>> four times the bandwidth of my T1 connection, so even if I had the disk
>>> space, I did not have the bandwidth. (And I also did not have any
>>> computers fast enough to handle a news server with a full feed anyway.
>>> :-)
>>
>>
>> I was considering a local news server, just for the groups I read to
>> speed up my access, and to prefilter the trash. That way I only need to
>> maintain the filters on one system, instead of whatever computer I'm
>> using at the time. I can also try different news clients to see if I
>> can find anything I like better than Netscape 4.80 without bothering
>> with creating filters for each program. I have a couple old Dell
>> servers sitting in the corner, and one is rack mount.
You might want to look into 'leafnode'. It's a pseudo-server -- looks
like a regular USENET _client_ to a real server -- but works like a real
server for local clients.
Has pretty fair "server-side' filtering.
> Sounds good. All you need is to find a news feed for a selected
>number of newsgroups. (Or set up one of those download the full
>newsgroup from your server and then apply the filters programs --
>assuming that your server allows such.)
>>> At the time, most news servers were run as a benefit to the
>>> employees of many companies -- or by college computing centers. Neither
>>> had the money to put into a full archive of a full newsfeed.
>> Can you imagine the bandwidth that Giganews needs, and the storage
>> requirements, since the binaries groups are kept for six months?
It's _multiple_ petabytes, at each server farm. IIRC, they have at least
three locations -- West Coast, East Coast, and Europe.
Disk space is *CHEAP* today. Buying in quantity, you can get a terabyte
for under $100. At that kind of pricing, GigaNews has somewhere around
$10k in hard-disk at each site. Their 'storage' system is more expensive
than that, because it's front-ended with *big* solid-state cache -- popular
articles are served from cache, greatly improving overall performance. ;)
Since they _do_ 'expire' stuff "eventually", the storage requirements are
relatively static. When a number of major ISPs dropped USENET -- usually
because of "fear" of legal liability -- primarily 'child porn, but some
copyright stuff -- based on threats from gov't prosecutors, the _rate_ of
traffic growth _decreased_ markedly. It's not like the 'old days' where
traffic volume was increasing 50% or more, _annually_.
> I can imagine that *I* am glad to not be paying for that. A
>single T1 is already too expensive. :-)
A 'full newsfeed' -- text and binaries -- takes _more_ than TWO 100mbit
dedicated circuits. That's for a _single_ feed. The 'good news' is that,
if you have multiple inbound feeds, the -total bandwidth required is about
the same. The bad news is that if you are feeding multiple downstream
sites, and are their -only- provider, you need that capacity for _each_
downstream server.
And, of course, this doesn't consider the bandwidth needed for _readers_
of 'all that stuff'. Especially those who are mass-downloading 'binaries'.
By comparison, and IIRC, a 'Big 8' feed (effectively 'text only') is in the
10s of megabytes/day.
> I remember the alt newsgroups used to be described as "Gigabytes
>of copyright violations". (Terrabytes now? :-)
Easily 2+ terabytes/day aggregate. No idea how much is 'copyright violations'
"Rumor mill" level tales say that the percentage of violation stuff has been
decreasing.
Ed Huntress wrote:
>
> "Benny Fishhole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:50:33 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"Matthew Russotto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>> In article <[email protected]>,
> >>> Ed Huntress <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>"Paul K. Dickman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>>news:[email protected]...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Northe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:a2a14424-5188-4449-98c8-e98b379240dc@x19g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>> 2308: Joseph Joseph spaghetti measure for 1-4 servings.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> see: <<http://www.aplusrstore.com/product.php?id=427>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Northe
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good god!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How big a nincompoop do you have to be to need a fancy gizmo to
> >>>>> measure
> >>>>> your dry spaghetti.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Paul K. Dickman
> >>>>
> >>>>Oh, I knew I'd seen that thing before. My wife almost ordered one
> >>>>recently.
> >>>>Cheapsake Ed stopped her. <g>
> >>>>
> >>>>There are diet formulas that base consumption on the cross-section area
> >>>>of
> >>>>spaghetti you use. That was my wife's interest. But we have a food
> >>>>scale,
> >>>>which is the alternate way to do it.
> >>>
> >>> I use cross-sectional area, but I just hold it between my thumb and
> >>> forefinger and eyeball it. It's too bad this thing doesn't work so
> >>> well because my Mk1 eyeball isn't so repeatable and so we often end up
> >>> with too much spaghetti.
> >>
> >><g> My Italian aunt was quite good at it. But I knew she'd make me eat a
> >>LOT
> >>of spaghetti.
> >
> > She'd probably get along with Hack's grandmother.
>
> She got along with a lot of people. I have no idea who you're talking about,
> but then, neither do you.
Sigh. HAWKE!
--
It's easy to think outside the box, when you have a cutting torch.
"DoN. Nichols" wrote:
>
> On 2011-07-31, Michael A. Terrell <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > "DoN. Nichols" wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
>
> >> But most news servers are somewhat more selective about what
> >> they keep. I ran one at home for several years, until my then ISP
> >> discontinued newsfeeds, and shortly after shut down it's news server
> >> too. I had the expire time on different newsgroups set differently.
> >> Some (e.g. rec.crafts.metalworking) I tried to keep 30 days of, many
> >> only about two or three days, and I received only a small percentage of
> >> the newsgroups then present. (Including only two or three alt groups,
> >> IIRC.) At the time I lost the newsfeed, the daily flow was three or
> >> four times the bandwidth of my T1 connection, so even if I had the disk
> >> space, I did not have the bandwidth. (And I also did not have any
> >> computers fast enough to handle a news server with a full feed anyway.
> >> :-)
> >
> >
> > I was considering a local news server, just for the groups I read to
> > speed up my access, and to prefilter the trash. That way I only need to
> > maintain the filters on one system, instead of whatever computer I'm
> > using at the time. I can also try different news clients to see if I
> > can find anything I like better than Netscape 4.80 without bothering
> > with creating filters for each program. I have a couple old Dell
> > servers sitting in the corner, and one is rack mount.
>
> Sounds good. All you need is to find a news feed for a selected
> number of newsgroups. (Or set up one of those download the full
> newsgroup from your server and then apply the filters programs --
> assuming that your server allows such.)
Earthlink only allows a partial header download, which requires the
whole messages to be downloaded for proper filtering, anyway. I planned
on downloading the few groups I read (~217) of which most only have a
few posts a week, or month. Then filter the spool into a second file
that is availible as a local news server. I have plenty of old hardware
laying around that will run a lightweight Linux OS and the required
software. I have a lot of 1 to 10 GB hard drives that no one seems to
need, so I can use a pile in a RAID.
> >> At the time, most news servers were run as a benefit to the
> >> employees of many companies -- or by college computing centers. Neither
> >> had the money to put into a full archive of a full newsfeed.
> >
> >
> > Can you imagine the bandwidth that Giganews needs, and the storage
> > requirements, since the binaries groups are kept for six months?
>
> I can imagine that *I* am glad to not be paying for that. A
> single T1 is already too expensive. :-)
I get a better rate on broadband cable. Around 1.5 Mb up, and 8 Mb
down for $50 a month.
> I remember the alt newsgroups used to be described as "Gigabytes
> of copyright violations". (Terrabytes now? :-)
To paraphrase Carl Sagan: Billions and Billions of Gigabytes. ;-)
--
It's easy to think outside the box, when you have a cutting torch.
I thought I had replied to this thread, but it's not showing. Nothing
new has shown, for me, for any topic since the 29th, which I think is
wrong.... I would suppose, by now, Rob has posted the answers. I'm
not sure why newer posts/replies are not showing for me. Anyway, this
is more a test, than a reply. Maybe this will update my link or
prompt me to re-sign in, in order to engage in,/have access to updated
posts. Nothing else I've tried seems to be working.
Sonny
2309 looks like some sort of nipper. I wonder if I coild be fot tile
work? Possibly for repairing sections, or for making mosaics. The
toothed part would be used for laying out grooves in thin set morter,
On Jul 28, 3:10=A0am, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> A new set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Rob
Ed Huntress wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Ed Huntress wrote:
> >>
> >> "Benny Fishhole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> > On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:50:33 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> >> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>"Matthew Russotto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >>news:[email protected]...
> >> >>> In article <[email protected]>,
> >> >>> Ed Huntress <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>"Paul K. Dickman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >>>>news:[email protected]...
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> "Northe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >>>>> news:a2a14424-5188-4449-98c8-e98b379240dc@x19g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> >> >>>>>> 2308: Joseph Joseph spaghetti measure for 1-4 servings.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> see: <<http://www.aplusrstore.com/product.php?id=427>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Northe
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Good god!
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> How big a nincompoop do you have to be to need a fancy gizmo to
> >> >>>>> measure
> >> >>>>> your dry spaghetti.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Paul K. Dickman
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Oh, I knew I'd seen that thing before. My wife almost ordered one
> >> >>>>recently.
> >> >>>>Cheapsake Ed stopped her. <g>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>There are diet formulas that base consumption on the cross-section
> >> >>>>area
> >> >>>>of
> >> >>>>spaghetti you use. That was my wife's interest. But we have a food
> >> >>>>scale,
> >> >>>>which is the alternate way to do it.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I use cross-sectional area, but I just hold it between my thumb and
> >> >>> forefinger and eyeball it. It's too bad this thing doesn't work so
> >> >>> well because my Mk1 eyeball isn't so repeatable and so we often end
> >> >>> up
> >> >>> with too much spaghetti.
> >> >>
> >> >><g> My Italian aunt was quite good at it. But I knew she'd make me eat
> >> >>a
> >> >>LOT
> >> >>of spaghetti.
> >> >
> >> > She'd probably get along with Hack's grandmother.
> >>
> >> She got along with a lot of people. I have no idea who you're talking
> >> about,
> >> but then, neither do you.
> >
> >
> > Sigh. HAWKE!
>
> Do you have a relationship with Hawke's grandmother or something? I've never
> even met her, myself.
Yawn.
--
It's easy to think outside the box, when you have a cutting torch.
Willem wrote:
> DoN. Nichols wrote:
> ) On 2011-08-01, Willem <[email protected]> wrote:
> )> Robert Bonomi wrote:
> )> ) Fruufru!!!
> )>
> )> What does that mean ?
> )
> ) Look at it encrypted with rot-13 (which should be in your
> ) ...
> ) And the "word" is misspelled anyway -- it should be "Furrfu"
>
> I knew all that already. What I wanted to find out is why the OP used
> that specific misspelling of that word, as I find it very unlikely he
> misspelled it like that if he knew where it actually comes from.
>
>
> SaSW, Willem
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fru%20fru
--
Steve W.
Bill wrote the following:
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "Bill"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Rob H. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 2305) Old gunsmith's tool for generating rifling in a rifle barrel. A
>>>>> cutter is mounted on the small diameter section, the barrel
>>>>> clamped in the wood "tombstones", and as the operator draws it
>>>>> by the handle at the end, the spiral grooves in the larger
>>>>> diameter wood part rotate the cutter as it is drawn through the
>>>>> barrel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good answer
>>>
>>> Definitely! I appreciate the explanation! I couldn't "see" it..
>>> Any idea how many times would the cutter need to be worked through the
>>> inside of the barrel to get the desired result?
>>
>> A lot.
>
> Thank you for your reply (below)! Interesting stuff. My interests
> seem dangerous enough without trying to build guns... lol Actually, I
> bought a muzzle loading pistol kit when I was in high school but I
> lacked the woodworking savvy (and many of the other things required)
> to complete it properly.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> I have done this with a modern version of the tool, which was a piece
>> of 5/8" square bar that we twisted by putting one end into a BIG shop
>> vise,
>> and two pipe wrenches on the other end. But it twisted quite evenly.
>> (1:48,
>> IIRC). It runs through a square hole in a piece of steel plate, with
>> lots of
>> grease.
>>
>> I've only made a rifled barrel for a muzzleloading pistol with it,
>> but my
>> old friend, whose project it was, made a rifle barrel for a deer
>> rifle. He
>> started with a smoothbore blank from Dixie.
In 1975, I built a muzzle loading .69 caliber flintlock long gun in
anticipation of the 200 anniversary of the Declaration of Independence
in 1976.
I fired quite a few rounds through it until I ran out of lead balls. I
then discovered that a 12 gauge shotgun slug fit perfectly. I butchered
a lot of shotgun shells to continue the fun. I still have it tho the
main spring (that propels the flint striker) broke.
>>
>> For cutters, I used a stack of hacksaw blade pieces cut out with a
>> Dremel,
>> using the thin silicon carbide cutoff wheels. After each couple of
>> passes of
>> the rifling tool we shimmed it up 0.002" at a time to cut deeper. I
>> rigged a
>> block and tackle to pull it through. Then I lapped the barrel, spending
>> hours of progressive lapping to get a decent finish.
>>
>>> And who thought of rifling! : )
>>
>> Swiss or Germans. The originals were their jaeger (hunting) rifles of
>> the
>> 17th century (I think).
>>
>
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
Ed Huntress wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" [email protected]? wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> ?
> ? Ed Huntress wrote:
> ??
> ?? "Michael A. Terrell" [email protected]? wrote in message
> ?? news:[email protected]...
> ?? ?
> ?? ? Ed Huntress wrote:
> ?? ??
> ?? ?? "Benny Fishhole" [email protected]? wrote in message
> ?? ?? news:[email protected]...
> ?? ?? ? On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:50:33 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> ?? ?? ? [email protected]? wrote:
> ?? ?? ?
> ?? ?? ??
> ?? ?? ??"Matthew Russotto" [email protected]? wrote in message
> ?? ?? ??news:[email protected]...
> ?? ?? ??? In article [email protected]?,
> ?? ?? ??? Ed Huntress [email protected]? wrote:
> ?? ?? ????
> ?? ?? ????"Paul K. Dickman" [email protected]? wrote in message
> ?? ?? ????news:[email protected]...
> ?? ?? ?????
> ?? ?? ????? "Northe" [email protected]? wrote in message
> ?? ?? ????? news:a2a14424-5188-4449-98c8-e98b379240dc@x19g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> ?? ?? ?????? 2308: Joseph Joseph spaghetti measure for 1-4 servings.
> ?? ?? ??????
> ?? ?? ?????? see: ??http://www.aplusrstore.com/product.php?id=427??
> ?? ?? ??????
> ?? ?? ?????? Northe
> ?? ?? ?????
> ?? ?? ????? Good god!
> ?? ?? ?????
> ?? ?? ????? How big a nincompoop do you have to be to need a fancy gizmo to
> ?? ?? ????? measure
> ?? ?? ????? your dry spaghetti.
> ?? ?? ?????
> ?? ?? ????? Paul K. Dickman
> ?? ?? ????
> ?? ?? ????Oh, I knew I'd seen that thing before. My wife almost ordered one
> ?? ?? ????recently.
> ?? ?? ????Cheapsake Ed stopped her. ?g?
> ?? ?? ????
> ?? ?? ????There are diet formulas that base consumption on the cross-section
> ?? ?? ????area
> ?? ?? ????of
> ?? ?? ????spaghetti you use. That was my wife's interest. But we have a food
> ?? ?? ????scale,
> ?? ?? ????which is the alternate way to do it.
> ?? ?? ???
> ?? ?? ??? I use cross-sectional area, but I just hold it between my thumb
> ?? ?? ??? and
> ?? ?? ??? forefinger and eyeball it. It's too bad this thing doesn't work
> ?? ?? ??? so
> ?? ?? ??? well because my Mk1 eyeball isn't so repeatable and so we often
> ?? ?? ??? end
> ?? ?? ??? up
> ?? ?? ??? with too much spaghetti.
> ?? ?? ??
> ?? ?? ???g? My Italian aunt was quite good at it. But I knew she'd make me
> ?? ?? ??eat
> ?? ?? ??a
> ?? ?? ??LOT
> ?? ?? ??of spaghetti.
> ?? ?? ?
> ?? ?? ? She'd probably get along with Hack's grandmother.
> ?? ??
> ?? ?? She got along with a lot of people. I have no idea who you're talking
> ?? ?? about,
> ?? ?? but then, neither do you.
> ?? ?
> ?? ?
> ?? ? Sigh. HAWKE!
> ??
> ?? Do you have a relationship with Hawke's grandmother or something? I've
> ?? never
> ?? even met her, myself.
> ?
> ?
> ? Yawn.
>
> Oh, it must be time for Michael's little power nap...
No, but your 'comedy' is enough to put most people to sleep.
--
It's easy to think outside the box, when you have a cutting torch.
On 28-Jul-2011 21:29, DoN. Nichols wrote:
>>> 2310) A nice old tool -- perhaps intended to bring an edge down to
>>> flush with an adjacent surface.
>>>
>>> Is the shown surface of the file the fine or the coarse side?
>>> That could help tell whether it is for filing wood or metal.
>>> Also, is the other surface double-cut as the shown one is?
>>
>>
>> I'll ask the owner and will post his reply when I get it.
>
> Thanks. A photo of the other side would be a nice touch too.
> The side that is shown suggests metal filing not wood, but I could be
> wrong.
>
2310
I would guess it is to dress the metal edge of skis, but it is not
obviously reversible as would be needed to do that. Perhaps a tool
for dressing a chainsaw bar?
____________________________________________________________________
Gardner Buchanan gbuchana(a)teksavvy(dot)com
FreeBSD: Where you want to go. Today.
"Rob H." <[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
2305 looks like an early rifling machine
2306 "Pocket toolkit"?? Maybe for a bicycle, since only two sizes
2308 looks a lot like an adjustable vignetting mask for a photo enlarger.
LLoyd
"DoN. Nichols" wrote:
>
> On 2011-07-31, Michael A. Terrell <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > "DoN. Nichols" wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
>
> >> Hmm ... is the date on his computer wrong? Most news servers
> >> are configured to automatically drop articles too old, or too far in the
> >> future (say over 24 hours to allow for international date line
> >> differences). So -- either could be what is happening to his articles.
> >> And, it can be set up differently on different newsgroups within the
> >> same server. (Common to set the expire time short on particularly busy
> >> newsgroups.)
> >
> >
> > Giganews has this group back to 2003, and you can still reply to old
> > messages.
>
> Yes -- there are exceptions which have *no* expiration, and as a
> result have many terabytes of disk backing up all of the information.
> DejaNews was the first of these, and Google acquired them back in 2001.
>
> But most news servers are somewhat more selective about what
> they keep. I ran one at home for several years, until my then ISP
> discontinued newsfeeds, and shortly after shut down it's news server
> too. I had the expire time on different newsgroups set differently.
> Some (e.g. rec.crafts.metalworking) I tried to keep 30 days of, many
> only about two or three days, and I received only a small percentage of
> the newsgroups then present. (Including only two or three alt groups,
> IIRC.) At the time I lost the newsfeed, the daily flow was three or
> four times the bandwidth of my T1 connection, so even if I had the disk
> space, I did not have the bandwidth. (And I also did not have any
> computers fast enough to handle a news server with a full feed anyway.
> :-)
I was considering a local news server, just for the groups I read to
speed up my access, and to prefilter the trash. That way I only need to
maintain the filters on one system, instead of whatever computer I'm
using at the time. I can also try different news clients to see if I
can find anything I like better than Netscape 4.80 without bothering
with creating filters for each program. I have a couple old Dell
servers sitting in the corner, and one is rack mount.
> At the time, most news servers were run as a benefit to the
> employees of many companies -- or by college computing centers. Neither
> had the money to put into a full archive of a full newsfeed.
Can you imagine the bandwidth that Giganews needs, and the storage
requirements, since the binaries groups are kept for six months?
--
It's easy to think outside the box, when you have a cutting torch.
On Mon, 1 Aug 2011 01:18:39 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
(Matthew Russotto) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>Ed Huntress <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>"Paul K. Dickman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "Northe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:a2a14424-5188-4449-98c8-e98b379240dc@x19g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>>>> 2308: Joseph Joseph spaghetti measure for 1-4 servings.
>>>>
>>>> see: <<http://www.aplusrstore.com/product.php?id=427>>
>>>>
>>>> Northe
>>>
>>> Good god!
>>>
>>> How big a nincompoop do you have to be to need a fancy gizmo to measure
>>> your dry spaghetti.
>>>
>>> Paul K. Dickman
>>
>>Oh, I knew I'd seen that thing before. My wife almost ordered one recently.
>>Cheapsake Ed stopped her. <g>
>>
>>There are diet formulas that base consumption on the cross-section area of
>>spaghetti you use. That was my wife's interest. But we have a food scale,
>>which is the alternate way to do it.
>
>I use cross-sectional area, but I just hold it between my thumb and
>forefinger and eyeball it. It's too bad this thing doesn't work so
>well because my Mk1 eyeball isn't so repeatable and so we often end up
>with too much spaghetti.
The measure I use is plastic, about 3.5 x 3 x1 inches with channels
across marked 3, 2 and 1 portion(s). According to this measure, a
portion is 2 ounces of dry pasta. Normally I consume 2 portions and
SWMBO gets a single.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
On Jul 28, 4:10=A0am, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> A new set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Rob
2309 is a bit short but has the right shape for a farriers shoe puller
'with cam'.
There were some Bridgeport carpenters tools, as well.
Dave
On Jul 28, 2:10=A0am, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> A new set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Rob
2308 - It is clearly a SPHINCTER! Comes with the job of
cabinetmaker....
Philski
On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 06:11:57 -0400, Alexander Thesoso wrote:
> On an administrative topic... For a couple of weeks, RH's initial post
> has not shown up on rec.puzzles. I don't know if this is a problem
> with my reader, my news server, or something with RH's posting
> process.
They've been showing up in rec.puzzles where I am.
--
Ted S.
fedya at hughes dot net
Now blogging at http://justacineast.blogspot.com
On 7/28/11 6:52 AM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
> "Rob H."<[email protected]> fired this volley in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
> 2306 "Pocket toolkit"?? Maybe for a bicycle, since only two sizes
>
Nah, it's a ruler designed to clip into a three-ring binder. It has
been cut off at both ends, perhaps to smuggle through airport security
in a two-ring binder.
"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Rob H." <[email protected]> fired this volley in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> 2305 looks like an early rifling machine
> 2306 "Pocket toolkit"?? Maybe for a bicycle, since only two sizes
>
> 2308 looks a lot like an adjustable vignetting mask for a photo enlarger.
>
> LLoyd
Your first answer is correct, but not the other two.
"LDC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 04:10:33 -0400, "Rob H."
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>A new set has been posted:
>>
>>http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>
> 2306 is a telcom tool commonly called a 216B, used on binding posts
> in protectors,terminals and old style crossconnects (B-boxes in them
> olden times.) One can be seen here (scroll to the middle of page):
> www.agtprint.com/s45/htmfiles/teltools.htm
>
> --Larry
Thanks for the link, I didn't realize they still made this tool, the patent
for it was issued in 1919.
> 2305) Old gunsmith's tool for generating rifling in a rifle barrel. A
> cutter is mounted on the small diameter section, the barrel
> clamped in the wood "tombstones", and as the operator draws it
> by the handle at the end, the spiral grooves in the larger
> diameter wood part rotate the cutter as it is drawn through the
> barrel.
Good answer
> 2306) Tool for two sizes of adjustment screws clamped by nuts. The
> outer part of the tool is used to release the clamp nut, and
> then the screwdriver part is advanced and used to make the
> adjustment.
>
> The most common use of these in my experience was for adjustment
> potentiometers in aircraft electronics so the vibration common
> to piston engined planes would not change the adjustments in
> flight.
Yes, it was created for use with electrical equipment.
> 2307) This is an interesting device. The decorated part suggests
> that it is for music, and this would make the windup part
> likely to be a metronome -- but the way it sits on the table
> suggests that it is supposed to be that way (adjustable feet and
> all), and then it might be something which moves the wire frame
> relative to text or music over time to force reading or playing
> at a certain speed. The music or text may be wound around the
> cylinder behind the wire frame.
>
You're correct that it's music related, though it's not used as suggested
above. Someone looking to identify this item sent me the photos, turns out
that it's missing a part that would make it easier to figure out.
> 2308) As to *what* this is -- that is clear. it is an iris
> diaphragm.
>
> However, mounting it in that red cover is uncommon. It is
> normally built within lens (and often shutter) assemblies. This
> might be used in an optical bench for adjusting illumination.
> The numbers are multipliers for the amount of light (thus the
> open area) relative to the fully closed position (1) in which it
> is shown.
>
> I guess that it could be used to control air flow instead of
> light.
This isn't for use with any kind of optics or air flow.
> 2309) No real clue on this one. It does seem that the split toothed
> part was welded on as an afterthought.
I agree that it looks like someone modified this tool.
> 2310) A nice old tool -- perhaps intended to bring an edge down to
> flush with an adjacent surface.
>
> Is the shown surface of the file the fine or the coarse side?
> That could help tell whether it is for filing wood or metal.
> Also, is the other surface double-cut as the shown one is?
I'll ask the owner and will post his reply when I get it.
Rob
Rob H. wrote:
>
>> 2305) Old gunsmith's tool for generating rifling in a rifle barrel. A
>> cutter is mounted on the small diameter section, the barrel
>> clamped in the wood "tombstones", and as the operator draws it
>> by the handle at the end, the spiral grooves in the larger
>> diameter wood part rotate the cutter as it is drawn through the
>> barrel.
>
>
> Good answer
Definitely! I appreciate the explanation! I couldn't "see" it..
Any idea how many times would the cutter need to be worked through the
inside of the barrel to get the desired result? And who thought of
rifling! : )
Bill
Ed Huntress wrote:
> "Bill"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Rob H. wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2305) Old gunsmith's tool for generating rifling in a rifle barrel. A
>>>> cutter is mounted on the small diameter section, the barrel
>>>> clamped in the wood "tombstones", and as the operator draws it
>>>> by the handle at the end, the spiral grooves in the larger
>>>> diameter wood part rotate the cutter as it is drawn through the
>>>> barrel.
>>>
>>>
>>> Good answer
>>
>> Definitely! I appreciate the explanation! I couldn't "see" it..
>> Any idea how many times would the cutter need to be worked through the
>> inside of the barrel to get the desired result?
>
> A lot.
Thank you for your reply (below)! Interesting stuff. My interests seem
dangerous enough without trying to build guns... lol Actually, I bought
a muzzle loading pistol kit when I was in high school but I lacked the
woodworking savvy (and many of the other things required) to complete it
properly.
Bill
I have done this with a modern version of the tool, which was a piece
> of 5/8" square bar that we twisted by putting one end into a BIG shop vise,
> and two pipe wrenches on the other end. But it twisted quite evenly. (1:48,
> IIRC). It runs through a square hole in a piece of steel plate, with lots of
> grease.
>
> I've only made a rifled barrel for a muzzleloading pistol with it, but my
> old friend, whose project it was, made a rifle barrel for a deer rifle. He
> started with a smoothbore blank from Dixie.
>
> For cutters, I used a stack of hacksaw blade pieces cut out with a Dremel,
> using the thin silicon carbide cutoff wheels. After each couple of passes of
> the rifling tool we shimmed it up 0.002" at a time to cut deeper. I rigged a
> block and tackle to pull it through. Then I lapped the barrel, spending
> hours of progressive lapping to get a decent finish.
>
>> And who thought of rifling! : )
>
> Swiss or Germans. The originals were their jaeger (hunting) rifles of the
> 17th century (I think).
>
2307
On 7/28/2011 9:29 PM, DoN. Nichols wrote:
>> You're correct that it's music related, though it's not used as suggested
>> above. Someone looking to identify this item sent me the photos, turns out
>> that it's missing a part that would make it easier to figure out.
I was going to make a wild guess that 2307 was a page-turner for sheet
music, but I couldn't see any parts to actually do this function, so I
kept my big yap shut.
On an administrative topic... For a couple of weeks, RH's initial post
has not shown up on rec.puzzles. I don't know if this is a problem with
my reader, my news server, or something with RH's posting process.
Anyone out there, who knows something about the news posting process,
got any suggestions about how I can fix things?
> Thanks. A photo of the other side would be a nice touch too.
> The side that is shown suggests metal filing not wood, but I could be
> wrong.
Here is a photo of the other side that I just received from the owner, along
with his comment below.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2012/pic2310c.jpg
"If you notice on the coarse side the screw holes are not chamfered to
accept the heads. This could indicate that this side was not intended for
use. I didn't catch this before."
"Northe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:a2a14424-5188-4449-98c8-e98b379240dc@x19g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> 2308: Joseph Joseph spaghetti measure for 1-4 servings.
>
> see: <<http://www.aplusrstore.com/product.php?id=427>>
>
> Northe
Good god!
How big a nincompoop do you have to be to need a fancy gizmo to measure your
dry spaghetti.
Paul K. Dickman
On 7/29/2011 11:44 AM, Northe wrote:
> 2308: Joseph Joseph spaghetti measure for 1-4 servings.
>
> see:<<http://www.aplusrstore.com/product.php?id=427>>
>
> Northe
And all these years I've been counting the pieces.
More seriously, it is wonderful to live in a society rich enough for
people to make, sell and buy this thing.
>> 2308: Joseph Joseph spaghetti measure for 1-4 servings.
>>
>> see: <<http://www.aplusrstore.com/product.php?id=427>>
>>
>> Northe
>
> Good god!
>
> How big a nincompoop do you have to be to need a fancy gizmo to measure
> your dry spaghetti.
Lol, yes it looks like it might be over designed but I guess some people
just like to buy gadgets. On my answer for it I have a link to Amazon where
in the reviews you'll see that people who have bought it were not happy with
it.
http://55tools.blogspot.com/2011/07/set-399.html#answers
Rob
> On an administrative topic... For a couple of weeks, RH's initial post has
> not shown up on rec.puzzles. I don't know if this is a problem with my
> reader, my news server, or something with RH's posting process. Anyone out
> there, who knows something about the news posting process, got any
> suggestions about how I can fix things?
I haven't changed anything in my posting process, been doing it the same for
the past few years. Does it show up in either of the other two groups or is
it just rec.puzzles? I can see my post on my reader and also at Google
groups, not sure why it's not getting picked up by your news server.
Rob
On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 17:42:04 -0400
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On an administrative topic... For a couple of weeks, RH's initial post has
>> not shown up on rec.puzzles. I don't know if this is a problem with my
>> reader, my news server, or something with RH's posting process. Anyone out
>> there, who knows something about the news posting process, got any
>> suggestions about how I can fix things?
>
>
>I haven't changed anything in my posting process, been doing it the same for
>the past few years. Does it show up in either of the other two groups or is
>it just rec.puzzles? I can see my post on my reader and also at Google
>groups, not sure why it's not getting picked up by your news server.
>
>Rob
I've been using eternal-september.org since my provider dropped
usenet... Your initial post hasn't been coming through for several weeks
now, maybe months. It is either being deleted due to some sort of
content problem by ETO or your news provider isn't in the loop that
they check in with. If this post is using the same provider, then there
must be something about your initial post that ETO doesn't like...
--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
Remove no.spam for email
I apologize for filling this part of cyberspace with off-topic stuff.
I conclude that there is a problem with the news server:
news.eternal-september.org
This is a free news server. I moved to it when my old ISP 'improved'
service by dropping newsgroups.
I guess that they have messed up their spam filtering, and are dropping
RH's initial posts and possibly the first few replies.
I see the same (partial) postings on metalworking and woodworking on
that server, so it is not specific-group or cross-posting related.
My machine and clock are OK, and things were working fine until a few
weeks ago.
As it is a freebie, I have no leverage to nag them to fix the problem.
Again, sorry for the off-topic clutter.
Thanks for the advice on the problem, and continued thanks to RH.
On 7/31/11 6:22 AM, Alexander Thesoso wrote:
> I apologize for filling this part of cyberspace with off-topic stuff.
>
> I conclude that there is a problem with the news server:
> news.eternal-september.org
>
> This is a free news server. I moved to it when my old ISP 'improved'
> service by dropping newsgroups.
> I guess that they have messed up their spam filtering, and are dropping
> RH's initial posts and possibly the first few replies.
> I see the same (partial) postings on metalworking and woodworking on
> that server, so it is not specific-group or cross-posting related.
> My machine and clock are OK, and things were working fine until a few
> weeks ago.
>
> As it is a freebie, I have no leverage to nag them to fix the problem.
>
> Again, sorry for the off-topic clutter.
>
> Thanks for the advice on the problem, and continued thanks to RH.
eternal-september is working just fine, I use it and Rob's posts show up
every week just fine. Looking at your headers it appears we have almost
an identical setup, Win7/64bit with thunderbird pulling from e-s, I
suspect the problem is local to you, maybe a stray filer that is
catching more that it is supposed to?
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The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
The Foxfire books have an excellent explanation of the process. The
scraping took many repeated passes, raising the cutter minutely on each
pass. The spiral block was the key to repeatability.
If you are unfamiliar with the foxfire series, here is some information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxfire_books#Books
well writtten and fascinating. such a marvelous undertaking to capture the
knowledge of the Appalachians before its last practitioners died.
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Rob H. wrote:
>>
>>> 2305) Old gunsmith's tool for generating rifling in a rifle barrel. A
>>> cutter is mounted on the small diameter section, the barrel
>>> clamped in the wood "tombstones", and as the operator draws it
>>> by the handle at the end, the spiral grooves in the larger
>>> diameter wood part rotate the cutter as it is drawn through the
>>> barrel.
>>
>>
>> Good answer
>
> Definitely! I appreciate the explanation! I couldn't "see" it..
> Any idea how many times would the cutter need to be worked through the
> inside of the barrel to get the desired result? And who thought of
> rifling! : )
>
> Bill
In article <[email protected]>,
Ed Huntress <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Paul K. Dickman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Northe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:a2a14424-5188-4449-98c8-e98b379240dc@x19g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>>> 2308: Joseph Joseph spaghetti measure for 1-4 servings.
>>>
>>> see: <<http://www.aplusrstore.com/product.php?id=427>>
>>>
>>> Northe
>>
>> Good god!
>>
>> How big a nincompoop do you have to be to need a fancy gizmo to measure
>> your dry spaghetti.
>>
>> Paul K. Dickman
>
>Oh, I knew I'd seen that thing before. My wife almost ordered one recently.
>Cheapsake Ed stopped her. <g>
>
>There are diet formulas that base consumption on the cross-section area of
>spaghetti you use. That was my wife's interest. But we have a food scale,
>which is the alternate way to do it.
I use cross-sectional area, but I just hold it between my thumb and
forefinger and eyeball it. It's too bad this thing doesn't work so
well because my Mk1 eyeball isn't so repeatable and so we often end up
with too much spaghetti.
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On 7/30/11 4:00 PM, Leon Fisk wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 17:42:04 -0400
> "Rob H."<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> On an administrative topic... For a couple of weeks, RH's initial post has
>>> not shown up on rec.puzzles. I don't know if this is a problem with my
>>> reader, my news server, or something with RH's posting process. Anyone out
>>> there, who knows something about the news posting process, got any
>>> suggestions about how I can fix things?
>>
>>
>> I haven't changed anything in my posting process, been doing it the same for
>> the past few years. Does it show up in either of the other two groups or is
>> it just rec.puzzles? I can see my post on my reader and also at Google
>> groups, not sure why it's not getting picked up by your news server.
>>
>> Rob
>
> I've been using eternal-september.org since my provider dropped
> usenet... Your initial post hasn't been coming through for several weeks
> now, maybe months. It is either being deleted due to some sort of
> content problem by ETO or your news provider isn't in the loop that
> they check in with. If this post is using the same provider, then there
> must be something about your initial post that ETO doesn't like...
>
I use eternal september org, too, and I've been missing RH's initial
posts for several weeks. I see we use different news readers, so that's
not the source of the problem.
Sonny wrote:
> I thought I had replied to this thread, but it's not showing. Nothing
> new has shown, for me, for any topic since the 29th, which I think is
> wrong.... I would suppose, by now, Rob has posted the answers. I'm
> not sure why newer posts/replies are not showing for me. Anyway, this
> is more a test, than a reply. Maybe this will update my link or
> prompt me to re-sign in, in order to engage in,/have access to updated
> posts. Nothing else I've tried seems to be working.
>
> Sonny
I never got the answers either. I looked again through all of the
messages the NewsGuy server sent me. It wasn't there.
Bill
In article <[email protected]>,
DoN. Nichols <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Then -- AOL started carrying usenet newsgroups for their
>subscribers, and the number of subscribers were a continuously growing
>flood (thus an "eternal September"), and it became a lost cause trying
>to convince people that netequette rules were good things to follow.
>Then they started posting in HTML and the end was there. AOL has since
>dropped usenet totally (as have quite a few other ISPs -- probably
>because of the offenses that their users were constantly committing),
>but others have come in to replace them.
But the growth of web-based forums, Facebook, and other such places
have resulted in the "eternal" September of 1993 ending, at least for Usenet.
Perhaps some Internet historian will eventually fix a date for the end.
> Then comes a place which actually *calls* itself
>"eternal-september". :-(
It's an in-joke, not a slur on its users (including myself).
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:50:33 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Matthew Russotto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Ed Huntress <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Paul K. Dickman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> "Northe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:a2a14424-5188-4449-98c8-e98b379240dc@x19g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> 2308: Joseph Joseph spaghetti measure for 1-4 servings.
>>>>>
>>>>> see: <<http://www.aplusrstore.com/product.php?id=427>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Northe
>>>>
>>>> Good god!
>>>>
>>>> How big a nincompoop do you have to be to need a fancy gizmo to measure
>>>> your dry spaghetti.
>>>>
>>>> Paul K. Dickman
>>>
>>>Oh, I knew I'd seen that thing before. My wife almost ordered one
>>>recently.
>>>Cheapsake Ed stopped her. <g>
>>>
>>>There are diet formulas that base consumption on the cross-section area of
>>>spaghetti you use. That was my wife's interest. But we have a food scale,
>>>which is the alternate way to do it.
>>
>> I use cross-sectional area, but I just hold it between my thumb and
>> forefinger and eyeball it. It's too bad this thing doesn't work so
>> well because my Mk1 eyeball isn't so repeatable and so we often end up
>> with too much spaghetti.
>
><g> My Italian aunt was quite good at it. But I knew she'd make me eat a LOT
>of spaghetti.
She'd probably get along with Hack's grandmother.
In article <[email protected]>,
Matthew Russotto <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>Ed Huntress <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>"Paul K. Dickman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "Northe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:a2a14424-5188-4449-98c8-e98b379240dc@x19g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>>>> 2308: Joseph Joseph spaghetti measure for 1-4 servings.
>>>>
>>>> see: <<http://www.aplusrstore.com/product.php?id=427>>
>>>>
>>>> Northe
>>>
>>> Good god!
>>>
>>> How big a nincompoop do you have to be to need a fancy gizmo to measure
>>> your dry spaghetti.
>>>
>>> Paul K. Dickman
>>
>>Oh, I knew I'd seen that thing before. My wife almost ordered one recently.
>>Cheapsake Ed stopped her. <g>
>>
>>There are diet formulas that base consumption on the cross-section area of
>>spaghetti you use. That was my wife's interest. But we have a food scale,
>>which is the alternate way to do it.
>
>I use cross-sectional area, but I just hold it between my thumb and
>forefinger and eyeball it. It's too bad this thing doesn't work so
>well because my Mk1 eyeball isn't so repeatable and so we often end up
>with too much spaghetti.
Fruufru!!! Several spaghetti makers _print_ the measuring circles on
the box.
*EASILY* reproduced in something more durable (like "wood" -- to stray back
'on topic' :) with, say, some appropriately sized forstner/auger/speed bits.
It's been a while since I looked at one, and I don't have any on hand right
now, but, as I recall, they're all _real_ close to a 1/16" multiple for the
diameter.
"DoN. Nichols" wrote:
>
> On 2011-07-30, Leon Fisk <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 17:42:04 -0400
> > "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>> On an administrative topic... For a couple of weeks, RH's initial post has
> >>> not shown up on rec.puzzles. I don't know if this is a problem with my
> >>> reader, my news server, or something with RH's posting process. Anyone out
> >>> there, who knows something about the news posting process, got any
> >>> suggestions about how I can fix things?
> >>
> >>
> >>I haven't changed anything in my posting process, been doing it the same for
> >>the past few years. Does it show up in either of the other two groups or is
> >>it just rec.puzzles? I can see my post on my reader and also at Google
> >>groups, not sure why it's not getting picked up by your news server.
> >>
> >>Rob
> >
> > I've been using eternal-september.org since my provider dropped
> > usenet... Your initial post hasn't been coming through for several weeks
> > now, maybe months. It is either being deleted due to some sort of
> > content problem by ETO or your news provider isn't in the loop that
> > they check in with. If this post is using the same provider, then there
> > must be something about your initial post that ETO doesn't like...
>
> Hmm ... is the date on his computer wrong? Most news servers
> are configured to automatically drop articles too old, or too far in the
> future (say over 24 hours to allow for international date line
> differences). So -- either could be what is happening to his articles.
> And, it can be set up differently on different newsgroups within the
> same server. (Common to set the expire time short on particularly busy
> newsgroups.)
Giganews has this group back to 2003, and you can still reply to old
messages.
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 06:11:57 -0400, Alexander Thesoso
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On an administrative topic... For a couple of weeks, RH's initial post
>has not shown up on rec.puzzles. I don't know if this is a problem with
>my reader, my news server, or something with RH's posting process.
>Anyone out there, who knows something about the news posting process,
>got any suggestions about how I can fix things?
But you are seeing it in another group? If so, did you recently subscribe to
either rec.crafts.metalworking or rec.woodworking? Or rearrange the order of
the groups in your news reader? Or simply change the order you read them in? Up
graded your news reader?
Many news readers hide cross posted articles in all but one group, exactly how
they go about doing this differs. Unexpected behavior like this has a habit of
biting you in the be-hind:)
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 04:10:33 -0400, "Rob H."
<[email protected]> wrote:
>A new set has been posted:
>
>http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
2306 is a telcom tool commonly called a 216B, used on binding posts
in protectors,terminals and old style crossconnects (B-boxes in them
olden times.) One can be seen here (scroll to the middle of page):
www.agtprint.com/s45/htmfiles/teltools.htm
--Larry
On 2011-07-28, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> A new set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
Posting from Rec.crafts.metalworking as always -- and a little
earlier than usual:
2305) Old gunsmith's tool for generating rifling in a rifle barrel. A
cutter is mounted on the small diameter section, the barrel
clamped in the wood "tombstones", and as the operator draws it
by the handle at the end, the spiral grooves in the larger
diameter wood part rotate the cutter as it is drawn through the
barrel.
2306) Tool for two sizes of adjustment screws clamped by nuts. The
outer part of the tool is used to release the clamp nut, and
then the screwdriver part is advanced and used to make the
adjustment.
The most common use of these in my experience was for adjustment
potentiometers in aircraft electronics so the vibration common
to piston engined planes would not change the adjustments in
flight.
2307) This is an interesting device. The decorated part suggests
that it is for music, and this would make the windup part
likely to be a metronome -- but the way it sits on the table
suggests that it is supposed to be that way (adjustable feet and
all), and then it might be something which moves the wire frame
relative to text or music over time to force reading or playing
at a certain speed. The music or text may be wound around the
cylinder behind the wire frame.
2308) As to *what* this is -- that is clear. it is an iris
diaphragm.
However, mounting it in that red cover is uncommon. It is
normally built within lens (and often shutter) assemblies. This
might be used in an optical bench for adjusting illumination.
The numbers are multipliers for the amount of light (thus the
open area) relative to the fully closed position (1) in which it
is shown.
I guess that it could be used to control air flow instead of
light.
2309) No real clue on this one. It does seem that the split toothed
part was welded on as an afterthought.
2310) A nice old tool -- perhaps intended to bring an edge down to
flush with an adjacent surface.
Is the shown surface of the file the fine or the coarse side?
That could help tell whether it is for filing wood or metal.
Also, is the other surface double-cut as the shown one is?
Now on to see what others have suggested -- and back later this
evening to see other suggestions.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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On 2011-07-28, LDC <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 04:10:33 -0400, "Rob H."
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>A new set has been posted:
>>
>>http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>
> 2306 is a telcom tool commonly called a 216B, used on binding posts
> in protectors,terminals and old style crossconnects (B-boxes in them
> olden times.) One can be seen here (scroll to the middle of page):
> www.agtprint.com/s45/htmfiles/teltools.htm
Neat site -- but I wish that it would show me the individual
prices of the tools.
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On 2011-07-28, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
[ ... ]
>> 2306) Tool for two sizes of adjustment screws clamped by nuts. The
>> outer part of the tool is used to release the clamp nut, and
>> then the screwdriver part is advanced and used to make the
>> adjustment.
>>
>> The most common use of these in my experience was for adjustment
>> potentiometers in aircraft electronics so the vibration common
>> to piston engined planes would not change the adjustments in
>> flight.
>
>
> Yes, it was created for use with electrical equipment.
And another answer makes a good case that it was for terminal
blocks used by the telephone company. Whether it could be used on the
locknuts for the potentiometers which I suggested would depend on the
size of the hex openings in the ends.
>
>> 2307) This is an interesting device. The decorated part suggests
>> that it is for music, and this would make the windup part
>> likely to be a metronome -- but the way it sits on the table
>> suggests that it is supposed to be that way (adjustable feet and
>> all), and then it might be something which moves the wire frame
>> relative to text or music over time to force reading or playing
>> at a certain speed. The music or text may be wound around the
>> cylinder behind the wire frame.
>>
>
> You're correct that it's music related, though it's not used as suggested
> above. Someone looking to identify this item sent me the photos, turns out
> that it's missing a part that would make it easier to figure out.
Intersting. The music relationship seems obvious from the lyre
shape and the decoration, but the rest does need more parts to identify
(though I did not save the larger image and zoom in (and adjust the
gamma) to make some areas more visible). Of course, familiarity with
other examples could also lead to correct and full answers.
>
>> 2308) As to *what* this is -- that is clear. it is an iris
>> diaphragm.
>>
>> However, mounting it in that red cover is uncommon. It is
>> normally built within lens (and often shutter) assemblies. This
>> might be used in an optical bench for adjusting illumination.
>> The numbers are multipliers for the amount of light (thus the
>> open area) relative to the fully closed position (1) in which it
>> is shown.
>>
>> I guess that it could be used to control air flow instead of
>> light.
>
>
> This isn't for use with any kind of optics or air flow.
Another posting (or was that in the comments on the web site)
suggested that it could be for measuring spaghetti -- and with uncooked
straight spaghetti in parallel bundles, it could probably have the
numbers corresponding to the number of people it would serve, or the
number of ounces or something similar
[ ... ]
>> 2310) A nice old tool -- perhaps intended to bring an edge down to
>> flush with an adjacent surface.
>>
>> Is the shown surface of the file the fine or the coarse side?
>> That could help tell whether it is for filing wood or metal.
>> Also, is the other surface double-cut as the shown one is?
>
>
> I'll ask the owner and will post his reply when I get it.
Thanks. A photo of the other side would be a nice touch too.
The side that is shown suggests metal filing not wood, but I could be
wrong.
Enjoy,
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On 2011-07-28, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> Rob H. wrote:
>>
>>> 2305) Old gunsmith's tool for generating rifling in a rifle barrel. A
>>> cutter is mounted on the small diameter section, the barrel
>>> clamped in the wood "tombstones", and as the operator draws it
>>> by the handle at the end, the spiral grooves in the larger
>>> diameter wood part rotate the cutter as it is drawn through the
>>> barrel.
>>
>>
>> Good answer
>
> Definitely! I appreciate the explanation! I couldn't "see" it..
> Any idea how many times would the cutter need to be worked through the
> inside of the barrel to get the desired result?
Since it had what looks like five grooves in the master, and it
is capable of cutting one groove in the barrel at a time (too much
cutting force for more), I would say that at least five passes for a
single depth, and perhaps four or five passes per groove to get the
desired depth.
> And who thought of
> rifling! : )
I would suspect that it came from archery. The flights
(feather) on arrows are angled slightly to produce a spin which
stabilizes the arrow in flight. I suspect that they started with just
straight feathers to hold the tail behind the head, and someone by
accident tilted the feathers enough to produce a spin and noticed that
it made for more stable flight (likely comparing the feathers on several
arrows made at the same time). Once it was discovered, they
experimented until they found what angle worked best.
Once the long firearms (which started out as smoothbore, and
used patched round balls) graduated to conical bullets, they discovered
that the longer ones (which would carry more energy to the target)
tumbled, so they looked for a way to spin them too. While bullets could
have been cast with spiral grooves, actually putting the grooves in the
barrel would give a more certain spin, and thus would be used by
preference.
Note that an experimental/short-lived firearm called the
"Gyrojet" had the powder (really "propellant") inside the bullet, fired
by a central primer, and had a ring of angled holes around the primer to
give the bullet a spin.
See: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrojet>
Enjoy,
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On 2011-07-29, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Thanks. A photo of the other side would be a nice touch too.
>> The side that is shown suggests metal filing not wood, but I could be
>> wrong.
>
>
> Here is a photo of the other side that I just received from the owner, along
> with his comment below.
>
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2012/pic2310c.jpg
>
> "If you notice on the coarse side the screw holes are not chamfered to
> accept the heads. This could indicate that this side was not intended for
> use. I didn't catch this before."
O.K. So someone grabbed a double-sided file, and modified it to
make this.
If the coarse side were also usable, It would suggest that wood
was the target material, but with the one (fine) side only usable, I
think that it is for metal.
But it is likely for metal attached to wood, so the other
suggestion of for ski edges might make sense. I don't think that a file
for a chain saw bar would benefit from the wood guide, so I discount
that one.
Thanks,
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On 2011-07-30, Leon Fisk <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 17:42:04 -0400
> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> On an administrative topic... For a couple of weeks, RH's initial post has
>>> not shown up on rec.puzzles. I don't know if this is a problem with my
>>> reader, my news server, or something with RH's posting process. Anyone out
>>> there, who knows something about the news posting process, got any
>>> suggestions about how I can fix things?
>>
>>
>>I haven't changed anything in my posting process, been doing it the same for
>>the past few years. Does it show up in either of the other two groups or is
>>it just rec.puzzles? I can see my post on my reader and also at Google
>>groups, not sure why it's not getting picked up by your news server.
>>
>>Rob
>
> I've been using eternal-september.org since my provider dropped
> usenet... Your initial post hasn't been coming through for several weeks
> now, maybe months. It is either being deleted due to some sort of
> content problem by ETO or your news provider isn't in the loop that
> they check in with. If this post is using the same provider, then there
> must be something about your initial post that ETO doesn't like...
Hmm ... is the date on his computer wrong? Most news servers
are configured to automatically drop articles too old, or too far in the
future (say over 24 hours to allow for international date line
differences). So -- either could be what is happening to his articles.
And, it can be set up differently on different newsgroups within the
same server. (Common to set the expire time short on particularly busy
newsgroups.)
Enjoy,
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On 2011-07-31, Michael A. Terrell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "DoN. Nichols" wrote:
[ ... ]
>> Hmm ... is the date on his computer wrong? Most news servers
>> are configured to automatically drop articles too old, or too far in the
>> future (say over 24 hours to allow for international date line
>> differences). So -- either could be what is happening to his articles.
>> And, it can be set up differently on different newsgroups within the
>> same server. (Common to set the expire time short on particularly busy
>> newsgroups.)
>
>
> Giganews has this group back to 2003, and you can still reply to old
> messages.
Yes -- there are exceptions which have *no* expiration, and as a
result have many terabytes of disk backing up all of the information.
DejaNews was the first of these, and Google acquired them back in 2001.
But most news servers are somewhat more selective about what
they keep. I ran one at home for several years, until my then ISP
discontinued newsfeeds, and shortly after shut down it's news server
too. I had the expire time on different newsgroups set differently.
Some (e.g. rec.crafts.metalworking) I tried to keep 30 days of, many
only about two or three days, and I received only a small percentage of
the newsgroups then present. (Including only two or three alt groups,
IIRC.) At the time I lost the newsfeed, the daily flow was three or
four times the bandwidth of my T1 connection, so even if I had the disk
space, I did not have the bandwidth. (And I also did not have any
computers fast enough to handle a news server with a full feed anyway.
:-)
At the time, most news servers were run as a benefit to the
employees of many companies -- or by college computing centers. Neither
had the money to put into a full archive of a full newsfeed.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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On 2011-07-31, Michael A. Terrell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "DoN. Nichols" wrote:
[ ... ]
>> But most news servers are somewhat more selective about what
>> they keep. I ran one at home for several years, until my then ISP
>> discontinued newsfeeds, and shortly after shut down it's news server
>> too. I had the expire time on different newsgroups set differently.
>> Some (e.g. rec.crafts.metalworking) I tried to keep 30 days of, many
>> only about two or three days, and I received only a small percentage of
>> the newsgroups then present. (Including only two or three alt groups,
>> IIRC.) At the time I lost the newsfeed, the daily flow was three or
>> four times the bandwidth of my T1 connection, so even if I had the disk
>> space, I did not have the bandwidth. (And I also did not have any
>> computers fast enough to handle a news server with a full feed anyway.
>> :-)
>
>
> I was considering a local news server, just for the groups I read to
> speed up my access, and to prefilter the trash. That way I only need to
> maintain the filters on one system, instead of whatever computer I'm
> using at the time. I can also try different news clients to see if I
> can find anything I like better than Netscape 4.80 without bothering
> with creating filters for each program. I have a couple old Dell
> servers sitting in the corner, and one is rack mount.
Sounds good. All you need is to find a news feed for a selected
number of newsgroups. (Or set up one of those download the full
newsgroup from your server and then apply the filters programs --
assuming that your server allows such.)
>> At the time, most news servers were run as a benefit to the
>> employees of many companies -- or by college computing centers. Neither
>> had the money to put into a full archive of a full newsfeed.
>
>
> Can you imagine the bandwidth that Giganews needs, and the storage
> requirements, since the binaries groups are kept for six months?
I can imagine that *I* am glad to not be paying for that. A
single T1 is already too expensive. :-)
I remember the alt newsgroups used to be described as "Gigabytes
of copyright violations". (Terrabytes now? :-)
Enjoy,
DoN.
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On 2011-07-31, Alexander Thesoso <[email protected]> wrote:
> I apologize for filling this part of cyberspace with off-topic stuff.
>
> I conclude that there is a problem with the news server:
> news.eternal-september.org
>
> This is a free news server. I moved to it when my old ISP 'improved'
> service by dropping newsgroups.
I'm using newsguy.com and am quite pleased with their (non-free)
service.
> I guess that they have messed up their spam filtering, and are dropping
> RH's initial posts and possibly the first few replies.
Perhaps they are killing anything cross-posted (as his start
out), or perhaps they simply have a very short expire time (sub 1 day),
so by the time you get to it, his postings and the early replies have
already expired.
Note that the "eternal-september" does not fill an old usenet
user with comfort. I don't know whether you know the origin, but if not
(or if other do not) it came from the earlier condition of most news
servers either being on systems connected to government contractors
(though usenet itself was at first spread via UUCP and modem, not
ARPAnet or the internet when it came into being), or associated with
schools.
The contractors had a fairly stable base of people so they
rather quickly learned "netequette" and became good "netizens".
However, every September, the schools had a new influx of freshmen, who
dived into posting without taking time to learn the normal practices.
It took a while to beat them into submission, after which things were
fine until the next September brought in a new flood.
Then -- AOL started carrying usenet newsgroups for their
subscribers, and the number of subscribers were a continuously growing
flood (thus an "eternal September"), and it became a lost cause trying
to convince people that netequette rules were good things to follow.
Then they started posting in HTML and the end was there. AOL has since
dropped usenet totally (as have quite a few other ISPs -- probably
because of the offenses that their users were constantly committing),
but others have come in to replace them.
Then comes a place which actually *calls* itself
"eternal-september". :-(
> I see the same (partial) postings on metalworking and woodworking on
> that server, so it is not specific-group or cross-posting related.
> My machine and clock are OK, and things were working fine until a few
> weeks ago.
Probably they turned the expire time down to deal with the
growing number of binaries in other newsgroups. (Plus, if I were not
following rec.crafts.metalworking, and were a news admin, I would
probably turn down the expire time on rec.crafts.metalworking anyway,
because of all the politics and other off-topic and flame-war inducing
topics. :-)
> As it is a freebie, I have no leverage to nag them to fix the problem.
Go to a paid news server. As I said before, I am happy with
newsguy.com (check them out at http://www.newsguy.com, and you can
select to read via a web interface, or a newsreader, and they even offer
a Windows-oriented newsreader for free called "DRN". The service which
I get is $9.95/month, or $99.00/year, and IIRC they even have less
expensive ones. Total monthly bandwidth is a function of the level of
service you select. I never use all that I pay for -- and they keep
adding more bandwidth for long time users, so I have over 2 TB of unused
bandwidth rolling over every month. :-)
> Again, sorry for the off-topic clutter.
>
> Thanks for the advice on the problem, and continued thanks to RH.
Good Luck,
DoN.
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On 2011-08-01, Michael A. Terrell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "DoN. Nichols" wrote:
>>
>> On 2011-07-31, Michael A. Terrell <[email protected]> wrote:
[ ... ]
>> > I was considering a local news server, just for the groups I read to
>> > speed up my access, and to prefilter the trash. That way I only need to
[ ... ]
>> Sounds good. All you need is to find a news feed for a selected
>> number of newsgroups. (Or set up one of those download the full
>> newsgroup from your server and then apply the filters programs --
>> assuming that your server allows such.)
>
>
> Earthlink only allows a partial header download, which requires the
> whole messages to be downloaded for proper filtering, anyway. I planned
O.K.
> I have plenty of old hardware
> laying around that will run a lightweight Linux OS and the required
> software. I have a lot of 1 to 10 GB hard drives that no one seems to
> need, so I can use a pile in a RAID.
Again O.K. Mostly the power cost of running say 7 10 GB drives
instead of a more modern 1 TB SATA drive. (Against the cost of adding a
SATA host interface to the linux box. :-)
[ ... ]
>> > Can you imagine the bandwidth that Giganews needs, and the storage
>> > requirements, since the binaries groups are kept for six months?
>>
>> I can imagine that *I* am glad to not be paying for that. A
>> single T1 is already too expensive. :-)
> I get a better rate on broadband cable. Around 1.5 Mb up, and 8 Mb
> down for $50 a month.
But since I also host some web sites, the asymmetrical rates are
a problem, as well as the lack of static IPs. (At least I presume that
you can't get static IPs. :-)
Enjoy,
DoN.
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On 2011-08-01, Willem <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robert Bonomi wrote:
> ) Fruufru!!!
>
> What does that mean ?
Look at it encrypted with rot-13 (which should be in your
newsreader, as it is a (very) minimal encryption once commonly used to
hide spoilers). Apply it twice and you are back to the original text.
Certain common words are occasionally posted in rot13 on the assumption
that people have learned to recognize them. :-)
If you need to do it manually -- replace each letter with the
letter 13 later in the alphabet -- folding it to two copies to deal with
things which start past the 13th letter.
And the "word" is misspelled anyway -- it should be "Furrfu"
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DoN. Nichols wrote:
) On 2011-08-01, Willem <[email protected]> wrote:
)> Robert Bonomi wrote:
)> ) Fruufru!!!
)>
)> What does that mean ?
)
) Look at it encrypted with rot-13 (which should be in your
) ...
) And the "word" is misspelled anyway -- it should be "Furrfu"
I knew all that already. What I wanted to find out is why the OP used
that specific misspelling of that word, as I find it very unlikely he
misspelled it like that if he knew where it actually comes from.
SaSW, Willem
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"DoN. Nichols" wrote:
>
> On 2011-08-01, Michael A. Terrell <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > "DoN. Nichols" wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2011-07-31, Michael A. Terrell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
>
> >> > I was considering a local news server, just for the groups I read to
> >> > speed up my access, and to prefilter the trash. That way I only need to
>
> [ ... ]
>
> >> Sounds good. All you need is to find a news feed for a selected
> >> number of newsgroups. (Or set up one of those download the full
> >> newsgroup from your server and then apply the filters programs --
> >> assuming that your server allows such.)
> >
> >
> > Earthlink only allows a partial header download, which requires the
> > whole messages to be downloaded for proper filtering, anyway. I planned
>
> O.K.
>
> > I have plenty of old hardware
> > laying around that will run a lightweight Linux OS and the required
> > software. I have a lot of 1 to 10 GB hard drives that no one seems to
> > need, so I can use a pile in a RAID.
>
> Again O.K. Mostly the power cost of running say 7 10 GB drives
> instead of a more modern 1 TB SATA drive. (Against the cost of adding a
> SATA host interface to the linux box. :-)
It doesn't have to run 24/7. Just when I want to update the
newsgroups. Then I can load them to my computer to read off line if I
want to shut it back down.
> >> > Can you imagine the bandwidth that Giganews needs, and the storage
> >> > requirements, since the binaries groups are kept for six months?
> >>
> >> I can imagine that *I* am glad to not be paying for that. A
> >> single T1 is already too expensive. :-)
>
> > I get a better rate on broadband cable. Around 1.5 Mb up, and 8 Mb
> > down for $50 a month.
>
> But since I also host some web sites, the asymmetrical rates are
> a problem, as well as the lack of static IPs. (At least I presume that
> you can't get static IPs. :-)
I can, but it costs extra. It's cheaper for me to pay $6 a month to
an external hosting service.
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