What are the best kitchen counter materials

"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> does anyone know if OE allows you to put the "watch
> eyeglasses" icon on a single post in a thread instead
> of doing that to all thread posts when you only want
> to watch one?

Depends on the version you have. In the version I have right now, you .left
click on any of the columns, such as subject, right click on the popup word
"columns" and then select watch/ignore. That column will then be added to
your categories. After that, you can individually select a particular
subject to watch or ignore.

On May 5, 6:43=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 5, 10:56=A0am, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Arborite/Formical/High pressure laminate?
>
> Not all laminates are created equal..in fact, far from it.
> Assuming they have a colour/pattern you like, Wilsonart AEON series is
> unbeatable for performance. Awesome stuff.http://www.wilsonartcontract.co=
m/Laminate/AEON/
>
> > Solid surface a la Corian or others?
>
> =A0No visible seams, refinish-able, any kind of edge treatment you could
> wish for.
> Doesn't like high heat, scratches which will be visible on darker
> colours, but still refinish-able.
>
> > Paperstone?
>
> Stupid money for a very scratchable product. The answer to the
> question nobody asked.
>
> > Wood - vertical "real" butcher block or horizontal laminations? What wo=
od if not maple?
>
> Buy it from a pro...like John Boos. Expensive but pretty. DO avoid
> bamboo!
>
> > Stone (granite, marble)?
>
> Definitely not marble. Too soft and porous. Awesome colours though.
> Granite is all over the place. It can be soft, like a sponge, hard as
> a hooker's heart, can be stunning to look at. No warranty, seams are
> germ-traps. Buyer beware as there is a lot of sub-standard granite
> around. The good ones are always expensive... always.
>
> > Others I missed?
>
> Quartz, like Silestone, Hanstone, Ceasar Stone, DuPont Zodiaq,
> Cambria.
> Bar none my favourite in terms of colours, durability, seams can be
> very inconspicuous. Most carry a 10 year warranty and some even 15
> yrs. Excellent stuff. Expensive.
> .
> .
> .
> BUT... cold to the touch, something that bugs me as much as it does C-
> Less. THAT is why I have Corian at my house. It is a lot warmer and I
> got it for free. *smirk*
> If I had to do that over again, in this house?
> A custom top (sheets can be 5x12ft approx $ 200.00) Wilsonart AEON
> General Purpose thickness laminated on waterproof MDF with a wood or
> Corian edge. Cheap, lightweight and if you use water based contact
> adhesive... and yes there are good ones out there, you're pretty green
> to boot.
>
> You do give up the undermounted sink.

3M makes an excellent waterbased contact cement,
but this stuff is getting rave reviews.
http://tinyurl.com/438pgq8

"dadiOH" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

dadiOH wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> "dadiOH" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> Leon wrote:
>>> "Swingman" wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> On 5/7/2011 8:18 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>
>>>> What's going on with more and more newsreaders all of a sudden?
>>>> Reference Leon's reply above to a previous post - no manner of
>>>> differentiating his reply from the previous post. It's not just
>>>> Leon's posts, it's been showing
>>>> up in more and more posts by different people.
>>>
>>> I've had that problem with Leon's posts here for quite some time.
>>> The only way I can decipher his content from replies on certain
>>> messages is to read the post he's replying to again ... this has
>>> been going on for a year or more, IIRC.
>>>
>>> That said, it only happened when he was replying to some messages,
>>> not all. I chalked it up to Thunderbird?
>>>
>>> To make matters even more confusing, Leon now has a new computer and
>>> is apparently no longer using Outlook?
>>>
>>> Go figure ...
>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder if it started when I started using Giganews.
>>
>> Not likely.
>>
>> Poke around on the "Tools" menu, find and open "Options", then open
>> the "Send" tab. Is there an area there for "News sending format"?
>> If so, open the "Plain text setting" button...got a place on the new
>> applet to "Indent original text..."? If so, set that up.
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Oddly, No tools menu.
>
> Then you have it hidden. DAGS on it to see how to hide/unhide
> __________
>
>> But I did find the options for e-mail and
>> mail. Why those are speperate I'll never know. Any way I am trying
>> the plaint text, MIME, Quoter "printable" vs.none.
>
> Those aren't what does it...you need the "Indent original text..."
> part where you can choose a character to precede the original text.

A little Google checking and it seems there may be a bug in some versions of
your program. Further, the type of encoding you have selected may preclude
quoting. Read these...
http://www.win7heads.com/microsoft-public-windows-live-mail-desktop/92571-how-turn-quotes.html
http://www.vistax64.com/vista-mail/93427-quoting-original-text-doesnt-work-if-original-mail-utf-8-a.html

This may fix if the above links are applicable to you...
http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/


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Thank you, I'll look in to that.

On Thu, 5 May 2011 16:42:09 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On May 5, 7:31 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 5/5/2011 9:56 AM, Luigi Zanasi wrote:
>>
>> > Note the plural. Maybe there is one best overall material, but I am
>> > not necessarily averse to using more than one.
>>
>> Rob nailed it ...
>>
>> As far as using more than one material, that can really take it out of
>> the realm of ordinary. An example is an ultra modern kitchen we're just
>> finishing up that has two colors of 3/4" Caesar Stone, 2 1/4" John Boos
>> end grain maple butcher block, and a laminate back splash.
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenShopPicture...
>>
>
>Dear Penthouse:
>
>I never thought something like this would ever happen to me, but every
>time I look at Swing's kitchen pictures, I get a woody when I get to
>the shot of the gas range. Should I consult my therapist?

Dear Toy:

Forget the therapist. Just get the plumber to plumb your own gas hose,
with LARGE outlet. <wink>

P.S: Send pics soon. We're doing a kinky gay/bi pictorial in 2 months.

The Editor.


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On Thu, 5 May 2011 18:53:30 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On May 5, 9:37 pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On May 5, 6:43 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > If I had to do that over again, in this house?
>> > A custom top (sheets can be 5x12ft approx $ 200.00) Wilsonart AEON
>> > General Purpose thickness laminated on waterproof MDF with a wood or
>> > Corian edge.
>>
>> Why Corian instead of AEON for the edge?
>>
>> R
>
>Decorative reason? Also, you can bend Corian around corner and create
>a radius. If you do that with HPL, you have to have a sharp edge. With
>wood or Corian you can follow a radius around a radius.
>Also refinish-able and more durable.... and super cool looking if you
>hit the right colours.

That still leaves the cold touch to the countertop. Wood sounds much
more intriguing. Ebony, jarrah, purkleheartless (for the numerous and
wonderful splinters!), jatoba.

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"Leon" wrote in message=20
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Might help to hit the apply button first.
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Nope

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Still trying.

On May 5, 10:56=A0am, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote:
> Note the plural. For someon who is into wooddorking and cooking, I am
> somewhat ashame to say that I have a 30-year old completely
> inefficient kitchen that is now falling apart. I am designing a new
> one (thanks Swing for the sketch-up library) and am trying to figure
> out what to use for counter tops.
>
> Note the plural. Maybe there is one best overall material, but I am
> not necessarily averse to using more than one.
>
> So what would you use in an ideal kithcen:
>
> Arborite/Formical/High pressure laminate?
> Solid surface a la Corian or others?
> Paperstone?
> Wood - vertical "real" butcher block or horizontal laminations? What
> wood if not maple?
> Stone (granite, marble)?
> Others I missed?
>
> Right now I'm inclined towards high pressure laminate with maybe a
> wood section, or a separate bread/pastaboard that could slip under the
> counter like my father did many years ago. The Arborite has lasted 30
> years in my kitchen with only a couple of ugly spots. I realize the
> solid surface stuff can be repaired, but how much of a real advantage
> is that?
>
> Note that these are just my initial thoughts and am quite open to
> being convinced otherwise.
>
> Thanks in advance for your collective wisdom.

Soapstone and hard maple go together well, and have complementary
features. They don't have a lot of the less desirable qualities of
other stones, and the only upkeep (which is optional) is a periodic
wipe down with mineral oil, same as the butcher block maple. Easy
peasy, and you can work the stone yourself without 'real' stone tools.

http://www.soapstones.com/diy_soapstone.html

R

Edward Hennessey wrote:
> "FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 5/05/11 10:56 AM, Luigi Zanasi wrote:
>>> Note the plural. For someon who is into wooddorking and cooking, I
>>> am
>>> somewhat ashame to say that I have a 30-year old completely
>>> inefficient kitchen that is now falling apart. I am designing a new
>>> one (thanks Swing for the sketch-up library) and am trying to
>>> figure
>>> out what to use for counter tops.
>>>
>>> Note the plural. Maybe there is one best overall material, but I am
>>> not necessarily averse to using more than one.
>>>
>>> So what would you use in an ideal kithcen:
>>>
>>> Arborite/Formical/High pressure laminate?
>>> Solid surface a la Corian or others?
>>> Paperstone?
>>> Wood - vertical "real" butcher block or horizontal laminations?
>>> What
>>> wood if not maple?
>>> Stone (granite, marble)?
>>> Others I missed?
>>>
>>> Right now I'm inclined towards high pressure laminate with maybe a
>>> wood section, or a separate bread/pastaboard that could slip under
>>> the
>>> counter like my father did many years ago. The Arborite has lasted
>>> 30
>>> years in my kitchen with only a couple of ugly spots. I realize the
>>> solid surface stuff can be repaired, but how much of a real
>>> advantage
>>> is that?
>>>
>>> Note that these are just my initial thoughts and am quite open to
>>> being convinced otherwise.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your collective wisdom.
>>>
>> I can vouch for granite, put it in over ten years ago and still love
>> it.
>> Drop a hot pot or pan, no burned spots.
>> Baking is easy, and wipes up real quick, even kneading a dough on
>> it.
>> Typically don't put anything down for chopping either, it still
>> looks great.
>>
>> Just a happy customer, although it may be extra expensive where you
>> are.
>>
>> --
>> Froz...
>>
>
> Luigi.
>
> FN is right. Granite can be satisfying. But
> there are many kinds of granite. Some of the
> most beautiful have a lot of feldspar or
> mica.

Actually - and technically - all granite has them. Some with mostly
plagioclase feldspar, some with orthoclase. The other "granites" are
"granitic" stone.
________________

> A very fine-grained sandstone would be one
> lapidary material to consider.

IMO, quartzite would be better.

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Luigi Zanasi wrote:
> Note the plural. For someon who is into wooddorking and cooking, I am
> somewhat ashame to say that I have a 30-year old completely
> inefficient kitchen that is now falling apart. I am designing a new
> one (thanks Swing for the sketch-up library) and am trying to figure
> out what to use for counter tops.
>
> Note the plural. Maybe there is one best overall material, but I am
> not necessarily averse to using more than one.
>
> So what would you use in an ideal kithcen:
>
> Arborite/Formical/High pressure laminate?

> Solid surface a la Corian or others?

I've never much liked them They are soft and heat can mess them up.

> Paperstone?

> Wood - vertical "real" butcher block or horizontal laminations? What
> wood if not maple?

Hickory but I would want wood only for a cutting board, not counter tops.

> Stone (granite, marble)?

Not marble...stains easily and is soft. Most of what is sold as granite
isn't...it is "granitic" stone and some are better than others. IMO, they
are among the best looking but I have no opinion re utility...really depends
on what the stone is.

> Others I missed?

Talc (AKA soapstone)
Concrete
Stainless steel
Tile

All of the things mentioned have their own particular merits and many of
them can also be DIY.

The main merit of talc is that it is impermeable. *REALLY* impermeable.
And heat proof. On the con side it is quite soft and knives will mar it;
OTOH, blemishes are easily sanded out.

My personal preference is glossy tile. Many don't like though, tough :)

The paperstone you mentioned seems like a good choice. I had never heard of
it, DAGS and it seems to be color through laminate that is available in
verious thicknesses. Not good for hot stuff which is why there are trivets
or cutting which is why there are wood cutting boards.

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"Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:fd9ba000-7728-41d9-85d9-4d76107f856e@z37g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> Note the plural. For someon who is into wooddorking and cooking, I am
> somewhat ashame to say that I have a 30-year old completely
> inefficient kitchen that is now falling apart. I am designing a new
> one (thanks Swing for the sketch-up library) and am trying to figure
> out what to use for counter tops.
>
> Note the plural. Maybe there is one best overall material, but I am
> not necessarily averse to using more than one.
>
> So what would you use in an ideal kithcen:
>
> Arborite/Formical/High pressure laminate?
> Solid surface a la Corian or others?
> Paperstone?
> Wood - vertical "real" butcher block or horizontal laminations? What
> wood if not maple?
> Stone (granite, marble)?
> Others I missed?
>
> Right now I'm inclined towards high pressure laminate with maybe a
> wood section, or a separate bread/pastaboard that could slip under the
> counter like my father did many years ago. The Arborite has lasted 30
> years in my kitchen with only a couple of ugly spots. I realize the
> solid surface stuff can be repaired, but how much of a real advantage
> is that?
>
> Note that these are just my initial thoughts and am quite open to
> being convinced otherwise.
>
> Thanks in advance for your collective wisdom.
>
> Luigi


IMHO it's tile hands down. Easy to install, if you get a chip (I dropped a
cast iron skillet once) it's easy to replace just that tile.
Variety of colors, very durable (my countertops are 25 years old and still
look good)
I've heard complaints from some about the grout looking bad but I sealed
mine and it's a dark grout besides. Still looks good.
I can e-mail photos if you're interested.

Max

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Dear Penthouse:
>
> I never thought something like this would ever happen to me, but every
> time I look at Swing's kitchen pictures, I get a woody when I get to
> the shot of the gas range. Should I consult my therapist?

What does she look like? And does she share your fetish with avant garde
kitchens?

"RicodJour" wrote:


> Fair enough. The only application that comes to mind for a
> two-sided
polished slab in a typical countertop thickness stone would be
something like a toilet partition.
---------------------------------------
Back in the late 1960's, one of my distributors rehabbed their
building, a multistoried industrial brick building that was probably
built about 1900.

Part of the building upgrade was a complete renovation of the
restrooms.

At least one of the stone toilet partitions was salvaged by one of my
associates and turned into a table in his living room.

Cleaning up at least 60 years of crud build up included at least one
muriatic acid bath.

The finished product was quite attractive.

Lew

Edward Hennessey wrote:
> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Edward Hennessey wrote:
>>> "FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On 5/05/11 10:56 AM, Luigi Zanasi wrote:
>>>>> Note the plural. For someon who is into wooddorking and cooking,
>>>>> I
>>>>> am
>>>>> somewhat ashame to say that I have a 30-year old completely
>>>>> inefficient kitchen that is now falling apart. I am designing a
>>>>> new
>>>>> one (thanks Swing for the sketch-up library) and am trying to
>>>>> figure
>>>>> out what to use for counter tops.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note the plural. Maybe there is one best overall material, but I
>>>>> am
>>>>> not necessarily averse to using more than one.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what would you use in an ideal kithcen:
>>>>>
>>>>> Arborite/Formical/High pressure laminate?
>>>>> Solid surface a la Corian or others?
>>>>> Paperstone?
>>>>> Wood - vertical "real" butcher block or horizontal laminations?
>>>>> What
>>>>> wood if not maple?
>>>>> Stone (granite, marble)?
>>>>> Others I missed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now I'm inclined towards high pressure laminate with maybe
>>>>> a
>>>>> wood section, or a separate bread/pastaboard that could slip
>>>>> under
>>>>> the
>>>>> counter like my father did many years ago. The Arborite has
>>>>> lasted
>>>>> 30
>>>>> years in my kitchen with only a couple of ugly spots. I realize
>>>>> the
>>>>> solid surface stuff can be repaired, but how much of a real
>>>>> advantage
>>>>> is that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that these are just my initial thoughts and am quite open to
>>>>> being convinced otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance for your collective wisdom.
>>>>>
>>>> I can vouch for granite, put it in over ten years ago and still
>>>> love
>>>> it.
>>>> Drop a hot pot or pan, no burned spots.
>>>> Baking is easy, and wipes up real quick, even kneading a dough on
>>>> it.
>>>> Typically don't put anything down for chopping either, it still
>>>> looks great.
>>>>
>>>> Just a happy customer, although it may be extra expensive where
>>>> you
>>>> are.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Froz...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Luigi.
>>>
> DO:
>
>>> FN is right. Granite can be satisfying. But
>>> there are many kinds of granite. Some of the
>>> most beautiful have a lot of feldspar or
>>> mica.
>>
>
>> Actually - and technically - all granite has them. Some with mostly
>> plagioclase feldspar, some with orthoclase. The other "granites"
>> are "granitic" stone.
>
> My emphasis was on avoiding a large
> amount of any feldspar or mica in any
> granite. Both are softies and some micas
> are renowned for delaminating if water
> catches them unprotected.
>
> What they call stone in the store, as you note,
> often departs from how a petrographer
> would classify them and their properties. If
> you said "granitic stone" to a specialist,
> it might be akin to a hypnotist saying "faint"
> to a subject.
>> ________________
>>
>>> A very fine-grained sandstone would be one
>>> lapidary material to consider.
>>
>> IMO, quartzite would be better.
>
> My mention of fine-grained sandstone failed to
> address the fact that quartzite is metmamorphosed
> sandstone. Good catch.
>
> One question is whether the use environment is likely
> to be one where sufficient forces are at play
> where one hard sandstone variety wouldn't survive where
> a harder one would. That calls for metrics I don't have.
>
> Quartzite has a lot of superior
> properties going for it. One thing that would
> not be among them would be repairability in
> some circumstances. It tends to split across the
> grains where the unmetamorphosed precursors will
> split around a grain. If someone does break both,
> the fault line in a precursor material can be more easily
> fudged.
>
> Check me on this. Do you know which of the
> two stones offers more color variations?

In sandstone, the color(s) depend upon what the sand was derived from and
the type/source of the cementing agent. I don't think it likely that the
color of the sand would change in a particular sandsone after
metamorphication but I suppose that of the cementing material could.
________

> If the hard unmetamorphosed material was more suitable in color
> than the quartzite, that might call the nod for some people.
>
> Speaking individually--and trying to get the OP to help us
> with the trade deficit by buying American--he might want
> to look at this page showing Kanab Wonderstone (silicified
> Rhyolite) which would make a real impressive backsplash
> statement:
> http://www.google.com/search?um=1&hl=en&biw=1039&bih=608&tbm=isch&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&q=kanab%20wonderstone

"Silicified rhyolite" sounds a bit like advertising hype. Rhyolite is the
volcanic equivalent of granite (real granite), same chemical and mineral
composition. The difference is that the igneous granite cools slowly, the
volcanic rhyolite quickly. Slow cooling allows the mineral crystals to get
larger.

I did look at the link, pretty rock. The most remarkable thing about it is
the intricate folding. Offhand, I can think of only two ways for that to
come about: a) tectonic (physical) folding of the strata and b) multiple
depositions over much time and after erosion has altered the previous
surface. Of course, both could be true and in some of the photos it looks
like that is what happened.
_____________

> Luigi, you need this stuff. And DO, thanks for talking rocks.

My pleasure. I finally got some good out of my petrology classes :)

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Leon wrote:
> "Swingman" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> On 5/7/2011 8:18 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> What's going on with more and more newsreaders all of a sudden? Reference
>> Leon's reply above to a previous post - no manner of
>> differentiating his reply from the previous post. It's not just
>> Leon's posts, it's been showing
>> up in more and more posts by different people.
>
> I've had that problem with Leon's posts here for quite some time. The
> only way I can decipher his content from replies on certain messages
> is to read the post he's replying to again ... this has been going on
> for a year or more, IIRC.
>
> That said, it only happened when he was replying to some messages, not
> all. I chalked it up to Thunderbird?
>
> To make matters even more confusing, Leon now has a new computer and
> is apparently no longer using Outlook?
>
> Go figure ...
>
>
> I wonder if it started when I started using Giganews.

Not likely.

Poke around on the "Tools" menu, find and open "Options", then open the
"Send" tab. Is there an area there for "News sending format"? If so, open
the "Plain text setting" button...got a place on the new applet to "Indent
original text..."? If so, set that up.

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Swingman wrote:
> On 5/7/2011 12:41 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> FrozenNorth wrote:
>>
>>> Outlook Express was a bad newsreader, Windows Live Mail is
>>> atrocious. Expect to see more of it as people migrate to Win7,
>>> unless they download and use another program for news.
>>
>> I don't think OE was all that bad - it was far from perfect, but it
>> largely functioned as a newsreader. The biggest problem I ever saw
>> in it was Microsoft's attempt to change the world of usenet and
>> force top posting, but that was easily overcome with little effort
>> on the part of the poster. I have not seen Win7 yet, nor Windows
>> Live Mail, but it does seem like it is a real cluster...
>
> I liked OE ... it was simple and did exactly what I wanted it to do,
> nothing more.

Right. I've never understood why so many knock it so badly. Perhaps
*because* of its simplicity and they seek complexity to read a gajillion
groups?

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Leon wrote:
> "dadiOH" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> Leon wrote:
>> "Swingman" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> On 5/7/2011 8:18 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>
>>> What's going on with more and more newsreaders all of a sudden?
>>> Reference Leon's reply above to a previous post - no manner of
>>> differentiating his reply from the previous post. It's not just
>>> Leon's posts, it's been showing
>>> up in more and more posts by different people.
>>
>> I've had that problem with Leon's posts here for quite some time. The
>> only way I can decipher his content from replies on certain messages
>> is to read the post he's replying to again ... this has been going on
>> for a year or more, IIRC.
>>
>> That said, it only happened when he was replying to some messages,
>> not all. I chalked it up to Thunderbird?
>>
>> To make matters even more confusing, Leon now has a new computer and
>> is apparently no longer using Outlook?
>>
>> Go figure ...
>>
>>
>> I wonder if it started when I started using Giganews.
>
> Not likely.
>
> Poke around on the "Tools" menu, find and open "Options", then open
> the "Send" tab. Is there an area there for "News sending format"? If so,
> open the "Plain text setting" button...got a place on the new
> applet to "Indent original text..."? If so, set that up.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oddly, No tools menu.

Then you have it hidden. DAGS on it to see how to hide/unhide
__________

> But I did find the options for e-mail and
> mail. Why those are speperate I'll never know. Any way I am trying
> the plaint text, MIME, Quoter "printable" vs.none.

Those aren't what does it...you need the "Indent original text..." part
where you can choose a character to precede the original text.

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> Thank you. I didn't have a flag column.
> I'll restart OE and try again.

You can flag individual messages via the toolbar "Message" button or by
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dadiOH wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> "dadiOH" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> Leon wrote:
>>> "Swingman" wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> On 5/7/2011 8:18 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>
>>>> What's going on with more and more newsreaders all of a sudden?
>>>> Reference Leon's reply above to a previous post - no manner of
>>>> differentiating his reply from the previous post. It's not just
>>>> Leon's posts, it's been showing
>>>> up in more and more posts by different people.
>>>
>>> I've had that problem with Leon's posts here for quite some time.
>>> The only way I can decipher his content from replies on certain
>>> messages is to read the post he's replying to again ... this has
>>> been going on for a year or more, IIRC.
>>>
>>> That said, it only happened when he was replying to some messages,
>>> not all. I chalked it up to Thunderbird?
>>>
>>> To make matters even more confusing, Leon now has a new computer and
>>> is apparently no longer using Outlook?
>>>
>>> Go figure ...
>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder if it started when I started using Giganews.
>>
>> Not likely.
>>
>> Poke around on the "Tools" menu, find and open "Options", then open
>> the "Send" tab. Is there an area there for "News sending format"?
>> If so, open the "Plain text setting" button...got a place on the new
>> applet to "Indent original text..."? If so, set that up.
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Oddly, No tools menu.
>
> Then you have it hidden. DAGS on it to see how to hide/unhide
> __________
>
>> But I did find the options for e-mail and
>> mail. Why those are speperate I'll never know. Any way I am trying
>> the plaint text, MIME, Quoter "printable" vs.none.
>
> Those aren't what does it...you need the "Indent original text..."
> part where you can choose a character to precede the original text.

A little Google checking and it seems there may be a bug in some versions of
your program. Further, the type of encoding you have selected may preclude
quoting. Read these...
http://www.win7heads.com/microsoft-public-windows-live-mail-desktop/92571-how-turn-quotes.html
http://www.vistax64.com/vista-mail/93427-quoting-original-text-doesnt-work-if-original-mail-utf-8-a.html

This may fix if the above links are applicable to you...
http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/

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Edward Hennessey wrote:
> "FrozenNorth"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 5/05/11 10:56 AM, Luigi Zanasi wrote:
>>> Note the plural. For someon who is into wooddorking and cooking, I
>>> am
>>> somewhat ashame to say that I have a 30-year old completely
>>> inefficient kitchen that is now falling apart. I am designing a new
>>> one (thanks Swing for the sketch-up library) and am trying to
>>> figure
>>> out what to use for counter tops.
>>>
>>> Note the plural. Maybe there is one best overall material, but I am
>>> not necessarily averse to using more than one.
>>>
>>> So what would you use in an ideal kithcen:
>>>
>>> Arborite/Formical/High pressure laminate?
>>> Solid surface a la Corian or others?
>>> Paperstone?
>>> Wood - vertical "real" butcher block or horizontal laminations?
>>> What
>>> wood if not maple?
>>> Stone (granite, marble)?
>>> Others I missed?
>>>
>>> Right now I'm inclined towards high pressure laminate with maybe a
>>> wood section, or a separate bread/pastaboard that could slip under
>>> the
>>> counter like my father did many years ago. The Arborite has lasted
>>> 30
>>> years in my kitchen with only a couple of ugly spots. I realize the
>>> solid surface stuff can be repaired, but how much of a real
>>> advantage
>>> is that?
>>>
>>> Note that these are just my initial thoughts and am quite open to
>>> being convinced otherwise.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your collective wisdom.
>>>
>> I can vouch for granite, put it in over ten years ago and still love
>> it.
>> Drop a hot pot or pan, no burned spots.
>> Baking is easy, and wipes up real quick, even kneading a dough on
>> it.
>> Typically don't put anything down for chopping either, it still
>> looks great.
>>
>> Just a happy customer, although it may be extra expensive where you
>> are.
>>
>> --
>> Froz...
>>
>
> Luigi.
>
> FN is right. Granite can be satisfying. But
> there are many kinds of granite. Some of the
> most beautiful have a lot of feldspar or
> mica. Avoid those.
>
> Ask about how often you have to re-seal any
> stone you are thinking about against water
> or other fluid penetration. Ask what that entails
> in effort, time and cost. Also, many stones have
> areas and cracks sealed or filled with colored
> resin. Ask about that. Don't be surprised if
> salesmen don't or can't respond. Examine the
> polished surface by moving along a low, raking angle,
> looking for changes in light reflectivity. Areas
> of duller shine call for closer examination.
>
> A very fine-grained sandstone would be one
> lapidary material to consider.
>
> Porcelain tile with epoxy grout gives you many
> choices, durability and repairability. Heavy drops
> and burning metal objects can be problems.
>
> Corian is great. No re-sealing necessary. Don't
> try to cut it. Don't put red-hot things on it.
>
> I have a hardwood insert with a perpendicular,
> split fence at the border facing toward the center
> of the kitchen. The fence works to keep drawn
> cuts from escaping on to the countertop and it
> is a handle too.
>
> Regards,
>
> Edward Hennessey
>
>
dark granite.

On May 5, 4:03=A0pm, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On 5/05/11 3:49 PM, Jim in Milwaukee wrote:
> > On 5/5/2011 2:18 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> >> On 5/5/11 9:56 AM, Luigi Zanasi wrote:
>
> >>> Others I missed?
>
> >> We're considering polished concrete.
> >> It can be tinted and have any aggregate you like.
>
> > With granite, stone, concrete etc., I would check the floor joists to
> > make sure they can handle to load.
>
> > Just a thought.
>
> Cancel the thought, you have a house of cards if that is an issue.

Structural failure isn't a real concern, but increased load =3D>
increased bounce, and that can be annoying. If the weight is added
around the perimeter of the room it's rarely if ever an issue. A
large cabinet island with a stone or concrete top in the middle of the
room can make things bouncy. Rattling dishes yell 'cheap
construction' whether that's the case or not.

It is good practice to double check the situation with the floor
joists. Yahoo plumbers might have taken a 3" notch out of the bottom
of some joists instead of drilling a two inch hole. I've seen similar
things too many times.

R

On May 6, 2:28=A0am, "Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> Dealer A has 100 slabs of Imperial
> Roca polished on one side. Dealer B has 100
> slabs polished on both sides. Dealer B
> doubles options to his customers with the same
> number of slabs. If there is an indisputable difference
> between the sides, B wins. If he can make any appreciable
> amount of his customers see any difference, he wins.

Do you think the dealer can convince _all_ of his customers to
subsidize the cost of the unnecessary polished side for the benefit of
the few? I would tend to think that would be a tough sell.

I've probably been in 30 or 40 stone yards over the years and in
different states and I never encountered a slab polished on both sides
as standard. It's just not done. If someone wants both sides
polished, they pay for the slab and the additional side polishing and
the yard will polish the other side. It's the only thing that makes
sense financially for the yard and the purchaser.

R

On May 5, 7:31=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 5/5/2011 9:56 AM, Luigi Zanasi wrote:
>
> > Note the plural. Maybe there is one best overall material, but I am
> > not necessarily averse to using more than one.
>
> Rob nailed it ...
>
> As far as using more than one material, that can really take it out of
> the realm of ordinary. An example is an ultra modern kitchen we're just
> finishing up that has two colors of 3/4" Caesar Stone, 2 1/4" John Boos
> end grain maple butcher block, and a laminate back splash.
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenShopPicture...
>

Dear Penthouse:

I never thought something like this would ever happen to me, but every
time I look at Swing's kitchen pictures, I get a woody when I get to
the shot of the gas range. Should I consult my therapist?

"Upscale" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...


"Tom Dacon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> I still read the mail on a few selected newsgroups such as this one, but
> rarely post. I've gotten so tired of the near-constant flame wars, pissing
> contests, and off-topic wooly-minded political rants that I've just about
> given up on Usenet.

Then, I suggest you have a look at the Festool Owners Group. It's run and
moderated by Festool, but it covers the entire gamut of woodworking
including many other woodworking tools and methods that have nothing to do
with Festool. There's no flame wars, swearing and very little of the
political or religious rants that frequent this newsgroup. As well, there's
nothing in the way of trolls or anything close to all around shit
disturbers. Despite this seemingly controlled atmosphere, moderation is very
rare other than maintenance issues. Have a look.
http://festoolownersgroup.com/

Thanks, Upscale. I'm a bit of a Festool guy myself in a minor way, with one
or two of them in my kit - the smaller sheet goods saw and a 5" random
orbital sander with the littlest vacuum, and I wish the budget would allow
me to add a few more of them.

Good tip. See you there.

Tom

"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edward Hennessey wrote:
>> "FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 5/05/11 10:56 AM, Luigi Zanasi wrote:
>>>> Note the plural. For someon who is into wooddorking and cooking,
>>>> I
>>>> am
>>>> somewhat ashame to say that I have a 30-year old completely
>>>> inefficient kitchen that is now falling apart. I am designing a
>>>> new
>>>> one (thanks Swing for the sketch-up library) and am trying to
>>>> figure
>>>> out what to use for counter tops.
>>>>
>>>> Note the plural. Maybe there is one best overall material, but I
>>>> am
>>>> not necessarily averse to using more than one.
>>>>
>>>> So what would you use in an ideal kithcen:
>>>>
>>>> Arborite/Formical/High pressure laminate?
>>>> Solid surface a la Corian or others?
>>>> Paperstone?
>>>> Wood - vertical "real" butcher block or horizontal laminations?
>>>> What
>>>> wood if not maple?
>>>> Stone (granite, marble)?
>>>> Others I missed?
>>>>
>>>> Right now I'm inclined towards high pressure laminate with maybe
>>>> a
>>>> wood section, or a separate bread/pastaboard that could slip
>>>> under
>>>> the
>>>> counter like my father did many years ago. The Arborite has
>>>> lasted
>>>> 30
>>>> years in my kitchen with only a couple of ugly spots. I realize
>>>> the
>>>> solid surface stuff can be repaired, but how much of a real
>>>> advantage
>>>> is that?
>>>>
>>>> Note that these are just my initial thoughts and am quite open to
>>>> being convinced otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for your collective wisdom.
>>>>
>>> I can vouch for granite, put it in over ten years ago and still
>>> love
>>> it.
>>> Drop a hot pot or pan, no burned spots.
>>> Baking is easy, and wipes up real quick, even kneading a dough on
>>> it.
>>> Typically don't put anything down for chopping either, it still
>>> looks great.
>>>
>>> Just a happy customer, although it may be extra expensive where
>>> you
>>> are.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Froz...
>>>
>>
>> Luigi.
>>
DO:

>> FN is right. Granite can be satisfying. But
>> there are many kinds of granite. Some of the
>> most beautiful have a lot of feldspar or
>> mica.
>

> Actually - and technically - all granite has them. Some with mostly
> plagioclase feldspar, some with orthoclase. The other "granites"
> are "granitic" stone.

My emphasis was on avoiding a large
amount of any feldspar or mica in any
granite. Both are softies and some micas
are renowned for delaminating if water
catches them unprotected.

What they call stone in the store, as you note,
often departs from how a petrographer
would classify them and their properties. If
you said "granitic stone" to a specialist,
it might be akin to a hypnotist saying "faint"
to a subject.
> ________________
>
>> A very fine-grained sandstone would be one
>> lapidary material to consider.
>
> IMO, quartzite would be better.

My mention of fine-grained sandstone failed to
address the fact that quartzite is metmamorphosed
sandstone. Good catch.

One question is whether the use environment is likely
to be one where sufficient forces are at play
where one hard sandstone variety wouldn't survive where
a harder one would. That calls for metrics I don't have.

Quartzite has a lot of superior
properties going for it. One thing that would
not be among them would be repairability in
some circumstances. It tends to split across the
grains where the unmetamorphosed precursors will
split around a grain. If someone does break both,
the fault line in a precursor material can be more easily
fudged.

Check me on this. Do you know which of the
two stones offers more color variations? If the hard
unmetamorphosed material was more suitable in color
than the quartzite, that might call the nod for some people.

Speaking individually--and trying to get the OP to help us
with the trade deficit by buying American--he might want
to look at this page showing Kanab Wonderstone (silicified
Rhyolite) which would make a real impressive backsplash
statement:
http://www.google.com/search?um=1&hl=en&biw=1039&bih=608&tbm=isch&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&q=kanab%20wonderstone

Luigi, you need this stuff. And DO, thanks for talking rocks.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey






>
> --
>
> dadiOH
> ____________________________
>
> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
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>
>
>

On May 5, 9:37=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 5, 6:43=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > If I had to do that over again, in this house?
> > A custom top (sheets can be 5x12ft approx $ 200.00) Wilsonart AEON
> > General Purpose thickness laminated on waterproof MDF with a wood or
> > Corian edge.
>
> Why Corian instead of AEON for the edge?
>
> R

Decorative reason? Also, you can bend Corian around corner and create
a radius. If you do that with HPL, you have to have a sharp edge. With
wood or Corian you can follow a radius around a radius.
Also refinish-able and more durable.... and super cool looking if you
hit the right colours.

"FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> I've only seen slabs polished on one side. Why would they go to all
>> of that extra work when one side is never going to be seen?
>>
> Not sure, now you mention it, but I got to pick the show side. :-)
> There was a minor difference.

Maybe the piece was originally destined for a setting where both sides would
be visible when in use? Or perhaps, they polished one side and then decided
the pattern on the other side was more interesting. Who knows?

Leon wrote:
> "Mike" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> On 5/6/2011 8:53 AM, Leon wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Edward Hennessey" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Google, I don't see your posts unless others quote them.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> EH
>>
>>
>> That is something unique to you.
>
> Hardly. Anyone using NewsProxy now that used it when newsgroups were
> actually popular probably has Google blocked. That was due to the
> volume of crap that came from Google initiated by every wanna be troll
> in knee pants. Fortunately, that activity seems to have all but
> disappeared.
>
>
> Unique in that "he" will have to make the changes to be able to
> correct the problem. I did not mean to say that only he has the
> problem, just that the problem had to be corrected on his end.

What's going on with more and more newsreaders all of a sudden? Reference
Leon's reply above to a previous post - no manner of differentiating his
reply from the previous post. It's not just Leon's posts, it's been showing
up in more and more posts by different people. Do people not know how to
set their newsreader to insert something to differentiate their reply from
the previous comments (seems unlikely, since this is not a longstanding
problem), or has there been a recent release of one of the more popular
newsreaders?

Request to those experiencing this - please take a look at your reader
configuration, or at least insert something into your reply that clearly
differentiates your comments from previous comments. It is impossible to
sort through who said what in some of these replies.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On Thu, 5 May 2011 20:18:13 -0700 (PDT), Luigi Zanasi
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Rocks are cool. I have a number of slabs from our local rock firm,
>Sidrock owned by Sid McKeown (http://www.sidrock.com/). Three jade
>slabs about 2 feet by 4 feet quasi ovals (Nephrite, I think, but
>obviously not jade quality), a 2 foot by 16 inch slab of skarn from
>the Whitehorse copper mine, showing all kinds of minerals including
>chalcopyrite, garnets, feldspar, etc., My marble slab entrance which
>is white marble with black streaks and some yellow spots. finally an
>oval slab of greenstone or some such green metamorphic rocks. When Sid
>was starting his now very successful business, he would occasionally
>call us and ask if we wanted any rock slabs whenever he was having
>cash flow problems. We usually were happy to oblige.
>
>What do you think of nephrite countertops?

I wonder if Wilsonart makes an Uba Tuba laminate...

--
I dislike arguments of any kind. They
are always vulgar and often convincing.
-- Oscar Wilde

"dadiOH" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Leon wrote:
> "dadiOH" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> Leon wrote:
>> "Swingman" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> On 5/7/2011 8:18 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>
>>> What's going on with more and more newsreaders all of a sudden?
>>> Reference Leon's reply above to a previous post - no manner of
>>> differentiating his reply from the previous post. It's not just
>>> Leon's posts, it's been showing
>>> up in more and more posts by different people.
>>
>> I've had that problem with Leon's posts here for quite some time. The
>> only way I can decipher his content from replies on certain messages
>> is to read the post he's replying to again ... this has been going on
>> for a year or more, IIRC.
>>
>> That said, it only happened when he was replying to some messages,
>> not all. I chalked it up to Thunderbird?
>>
>> To make matters even more confusing, Leon now has a new computer and
>> is apparently no longer using Outlook?
>>
>> Go figure ...
>>
>>
>> I wonder if it started when I started using Giganews.
>
> Not likely.
>
> Poke around on the "Tools" menu, find and open "Options", then open
> the "Send" tab. Is there an area there for "News sending format"? If so,
> open the "Plain text setting" button...got a place on the new
> applet to "Indent original text..."? If so, set that up.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oddly, No tools menu.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Then you have it hidden. DAGS on it to see how to hide/unhide


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Are you actually using Windows Live Mail in Windows 7? Do you have a Tools
menu?

Google, I don't see your posts unless others quote them.

Regards,

EH

"Leon" wrote in message=20
news:[email protected]...



"dadiOH" wrote in message =
news:[email protected]...

Leon wrote:
> "Swingman" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> On 5/7/2011 8:18 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> What's going on with more and more newsreaders all of a sudden? =
Reference=20
>> Leon's reply above to a previous post - no manner of
>> differentiating his reply from the previous post. It's not just
>> Leon's posts, it's been showing
>> up in more and more posts by different people.
>
> I've had that problem with Leon's posts here for quite some time. The
> only way I can decipher his content from replies on certain messages
> is to read the post he's replying to again ... this has been going on
> for a year or more, IIRC.
>
> That said, it only happened when he was replying to some messages, not
> all. I chalked it up to Thunderbird?
>
> To make matters even more confusing, Leon now has a new computer and
> is apparently no longer using Outlook?
>
> Go figure ...
>
>
> I wonder if it started when I started using Giganews.

Not likely.

Poke around on the "Tools" menu, find and open "Options", then open the
"Send" tab. Is there an area there for "News sending format"? If so, =
open
the "Plain text setting" button...got a place on the new applet to =
"Indent
original text..."? If so, set that up.


-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-------

Oddly, No tools menu. But I did find the options for e-mail and mail.
Why those are speperate I'll never know. Any way I am trying the plaint
text, MIME, Quoter "printable" vs.none.



-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-------

Might help to hit the apply button first.=20

"Swingman" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

On 5/7/2011 11:55 AM, Leon wrote:
>
>
> "Swingman" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> On 5/7/2011 8:18 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> What's going on with more and more newsreaders all of a sudden? Reference
>> Leon's reply above to a previous post - no manner of differentiating his
>> reply from the previous post. It's not just Leon's posts, it's been
>> showing
>> up in more and more posts by different people.
>
> I've had that problem with Leon's posts here for quite some time. The
> only way I can decipher his content from replies on certain messages is
> to read the post he's replying to again ... this has been going on for a
> year or more, IIRC.
>
> That said, it only happened when he was replying to some messages, not
> all. I chalked it up to Thunderbird?
>
> To make matters even more confusing, Leon now has a new computer and is
> apparently no longer using Outlook?
>
> Go figure ...
>
>
> I wonder if it started when I started using Giganews.

No, some of your messages were exhibiting that behavior before, IIRC.
Besides, I use giganews and it doesn't happen to mine, I don't think??

Check your email ... I sent you a screen capture of one of your posts
that doesn't show quoting.

One thing that is a clue to why, but I didn't pursue it ... in the past
it only happened when you were replying to certain people, and it
_always_ happened when you replied to posts from that individual.

I figured it was a bug in Outlook that was reacting to an unusual
character code choice on the part of the sender??

Now that you no longer use Outlook, it may be a setup issue with fonts
or character coding on your end??

... or maybe ATT's mail server is screwing around with you? :(


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It apparently being intermittent and the fact that I had not made any
settings changes I suspect it is ATT.

I inserted a line above perhaps that will help. Perhaps I will remember to
use it. ;~)

"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "dadiOH" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> dadiOH wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>>> "dadiOH" wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Leon wrote:
>>>> "Swingman" wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> On 5/7/2011 8:18 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:

>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Oddly, No tools menu.
>>
>> Then you have it hidden. DAGS on it to see how to hide/unhide
>> __________
>>
>>> But I did find the options for e-mail and
>>> mail. Why those are speperate I'll never know. Any way I am
>>> trying
>>> the plaint text, MIME, Quoter "printable" vs.none.
>>
>> Those aren't what does it...you need the "Indent original text..."
>> part where you can choose a character to precede the original text.
>
> A little Google checking and it seems there may be a bug in some
> versions of
> your program. Further, the type of encoding you have selected may
> preclude
> quoting. Read these...
> http://www.win7heads.com/microsoft-public-windows-live-mail-desktop/92571-how-turn-quotes.html
> http://www.vistax64.com/vista-mail/93427-quoting-original-text-doesnt-work-if-original-mail-utf-8-a.html
>
> This may fix if the above links are applicable to you...
> http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Thank you, I'll look in to that.
>

L:

Here's a Google search page on a program
which has a popular following and may
address your difficulty:

http://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=%22oe+quotefix%22&btnG=Search

I figure you can get a better overview of
it by choosing links from this URL.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:f06cb937-4333-453f-83d1-625ebd453f6a@c26g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
On May 5, 11:58 pm, "Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > On May 5, 1:33 pm, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Exactly, I went to a local place that had hundreds of slabs, they
> >> were
> >> rough cut, but finished and polished on two sides. I picked the
> >> piece I
> >> wanted after having a pro come out and measure my kitchen. Couple
> >> days
> >> later got the call it was ready, with the edge profile I wanted
> >> etc. It
> >> was a good experience for me, YMMV.
>
> > The slabs were polished on both sides? That's really odd. It would
> > bump up the price of the slab appreciably and one side is hidden.
> > I've only seen slabs polished on one side. Why would they go to
> > all
> > of that extra work when one side is never going to be seen?
>
>
> RDJ:
>
> As covered later in the thread, vertical placement
> of the slab.

RDJ:

I brought up the toilet partition, and I don't think anyone else
mentioned a two-sided vertical application. Sure, there are some
extremely limited applications for two-sides polished stone, but it
makes no sense for slabs to be generally polished that way. It's a
waste of time and money. If a special application needs the obverse
side polished, it's no big deal to do so.


> Two, what may arguably be called "snob appeal"
> when a salesman may be trying to stress the
> superiority of his offering thusly if there is any chance
> it could be seen on either face: "The competition
> actually leaves the underside of their tables cut
> raw. We finish polish ours."

I suppose that might make it a little harder to stick gum to the
underside, but beyond that I'm not sure who would consider that an
advantage. Polishing stone takes a lot of time and passes. It makes
no sense.

The sense would be it makes money.
If it can be sold that way, for whatever reason,
even reasons we may not credit or don't know,
it will be made that way.

That's a dull line of reasoning but I wouldn't want
to bet on smart against it if, if I see a number of slabs
of something done that way around. That's the real benchmark.

Look at it this way. Your dining room table is wood, right? Does it
have a french polished underside? Is there any finish on it at all.
Has anyone ever noticed, mentioned or complained that there isn't a
finish under there? Usually people that are under the table are too
busy trying to get the room to stop spinning to bother with noticing
levels of sheen. ;)

That's a good position. I'm down with it.
People have other positions we may
regard as dopey. That doesn't stop them. Mr. X thinks
piercings, scarifications and a full funny-papers' body
wrap are bug-nuts loony. Then he sees the madhouse
walking the streets. I feel paying triple rate for a
signature scarf shows insecurity and bad financial
management. They sell like hot cakes.

If a salesman can push this stuff on any appeal that
makes the slab even SEEM to make the owner more
distinguished....people like to be elite and make
invidious comparisons.

Then there is an issue that
we appreciate: choice. With a doubly-polished stone
slab, you do get to pick the side you like, even if it
is only one.

Dealer A has 100 slabs of Imperial
Roca polished on one side. Dealer B has 100
slabs polished on both sides. Dealer B
doubles options to his customers with the same
number of slabs. If there is an indisputable difference
between the sides, B wins. If he can make any appreciable
amount of his customers see any difference, he wins.

> Three--and this is material--some materials show
> significant design variation across the slab thickness,
> particularly those with included elements which
> expose differently over their length or at angles. See
> an image search for +orthoceras (slab* OR
> table*) and you should get a visual on the idea.

I didn't know orthoceras was available in anything larger than a
relatively small piece, and those pieces are fairly expensive. I
still can't imagine a kitchen done in the stuff - what's the biggest
slab you've seen? With all stone there is a better side, a choice is
made and that side is polished, then the stone is sent out to local
distributors. If something needs both sides polished, the supplier
will do it during fabrication.

This is a material I know. Kitchens are done
in the marble; sculpture and conference tables too. I have
a 3'x3' slab looking at me. I've seen 12'x10'. If you wanted
a container of it or other kinds of ammonoid or different
Orthoceras slabs, it's doable.

I would like to see a freestanding curving stone shower enclosure done
in the orthoceras, though. That would be spiffy.

> Four--another material point: If it gets damaged
> on one side, if the customer tires of it on one
> side, they can flip it in some applications.

Is it already April 1st again? What application can you name where
flipping a slab would work? Edge treatment alone would eliminate
almost all applications, and sinks, ends, etc. would effectively
eliminate all of the rest. A coffee table _might_ qualify_ but a
coffee table doesn't take much abuse, and how many people have stone
coffee tables custom made where they'd be buying slabs from a
distributor?

How does flipping a piece of stone relieve the owner's ennui-de-
stone? Thin slabs are pretty much the same on both sides, no?

No. In an 1.5" thick fossil slab with included specimens
that track discrete layers they can be very different.
The same with any rock which changes its composition/
coloration in a stratified way. And there are plenty.

Look at some of the images of the bigger Kanab
slabs at the hyperlink mentioned elsewhere in the thread.
You ought to see the other face.

So you could have a doubly-polished slab,
flip it as a wall hanging or table or architectural divider
and really see it turn over a new leaf.

As we tacitly agree, many of these conceptions may
not appeal to us. But there are people that they
work with.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

"Mike" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

On 5/6/2011 8:53 AM, Leon wrote:
>
>
> "Edward Hennessey" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> Google, I don't see your posts unless others quote them.
>
> Regards,
>
> EH
>
>
> That is something unique to you.

Hardly. Anyone using NewsProxy now that used it when newsgroups were
actually popular probably has Google blocked. That was due to the
volume of crap that came from Google initiated by every wanna be troll
in knee pants. Fortunately, that activity seems to have all but
disappeared.


Unique in that "he" will have to make the changes to be able to correct the
problem. I did not mean to say that only he has the problem, just that the
problem had to be corrected on his end.

"Edward Hennessey" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...


"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "Mike Marlow" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> Leon wrote:
>> "Mike" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>
>> On 5/6/2011 8:53 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Edward Hennessey" wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Google, I don't see your posts unless others quote them.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> EH
>>>
>>>
>>> That is something unique to you.
>>
>> Hardly. Anyone using NewsProxy now that used it when newsgroups were
>> actually popular probably has Google blocked. That was due to the
>> volume of crap that came from Google initiated by every wanna be troll
>> in knee pants. Fortunately, that activity seems to have all but
>> disappeared.
>>
>>
>> Unique in that "he" will have to make the changes to be able to
>> correct the problem. I did not mean to say that only he has the
>> problem, just that the problem had to be corrected on his end.
>
> What's going on with more and more newsreaders all of a sudden? Reference
> Leon's reply above to a previous post - no manner of differentiating his
> reply from the previous post. It's not just Leon's posts, it's been
> showing
> up in more and more posts by different people. Do people not know how to
> set their newsreader to insert something to differentiate their reply from
> the previous comments (seems unlikely, since this is not a longstanding
> problem), or has there been a recent release of one of the more popular
> newsreaders?
>
> Request to those experiencing this - please take a look at your reader
> configuration, or at least insert something into your reply that clearly
> differentiates your comments from previous comments. It is impossible to
> sort through who said what in some of these replies.
>
>
> This has been a situation starting with me using Windows Live Mail on Win
> 7. I have not yet figured out how to keep it from stripping off or adding
> the > thingys.
>
>

As long as we are talking about newsreaders and OE,
does anyone know if OE allows you to put the "watch
eyeglasses" icon on a single post in a thread instead
of doing that to all thread posts when you only want
to watch one?

If this is possible, what is the maneuver?
If it is not possible in OE, is there a better newsreader
that has that capability?

Regards,

Edward Hennessey


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Testing once more

"chaniarts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edward Hennessey wrote:
>> Speaking individually--and trying to get the OP to help us
>> with the trade deficit by buying American--he might want
>> to look at this page showing Kanab Wonderstone (silicified
>> Rhyolite) which would make a real impressive backsplash
>> statement:
>> http://www.google.com/search?um=1&hl=en&biw=1039&bih=608&tbm=isch&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&q=kanab%20wonderstone
>
> i have some of this. you'd never keep it sealed or clean if used i a
> kitchen.
>
>

CA:

As a counter top material, no. As a backsplash element,
some among the differing grades from as many deposits
lumped under this and other names would work with
attentive sealing.

I have an installation with large trilobite cephalons cut
into featured tiles which has done well in a humid environment
not dissimilar to one spaced off a kitchen countertop.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

"Josepi" wrote in message news:[email protected]...


What a ridiculous thing to do...one of the main offenders shows the way.
I doubt he would survive there for more than a post or two.

Good one!
-----------------------
"Tom Dacon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Thanks, Upscale. I'm a bit of a Festool guy myself in a minor way, with one
or two of them in my kit - the smaller sheet goods saw and a 5" random
orbital sander with the littlest vacuum, and I wish the budget would allow
me to add a few more of them.

Good tip. See you there.

Tom

---------------------------------
"Upscale" wrote in message
Then, I suggest you have a look at the Festool Owners Group. It's run and
moderated by Festool, but it covers the entire gamut of woodworking
including many other woodworking tools and methods that have nothing to do
with Festool. There's no flame wars, swearing and very little of the
political or religious rants that frequent this newsgroup. As well, there's
nothing in the way of trolls or anything close to all around shit
disturbers. Despite this seemingly controlled atmosphere, moderation is very
rare other than maintenance issues. Have a look.
http://festoolownersgroup.com/

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

It's just the French way. He doesn't know any better and may not be fit for
other cultures.

Don't top post


mike

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> On 5/7/2011 11:55 AM, Leon wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Steve Turner" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >
> > On 5/7/2011 9:37 AM, Swingman wrote:
> >> On 5/7/2011 8:18 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> >>
> >>> What's going on with more and more newsreaders all of a sudden? Reference
> >>> Leon's reply above to a previous post - no manner of differentiating his
> >>> reply from the previous post. It's not just Leon's posts, it's been showing
> >>> up in more and more posts by different people.
> >>
> >> I've had that problem with Leon's posts here for quite some time. The only way
> >> I can decipher his content from replies on certain messages is to read the post
> >> he's replying to again ... this has been going on for a year or more, IIRC.
> >>
> >> That said, it only happened when he was replying to some messages, not all. I
> >> chalked it up to Thunderbird?
> >>
> >> To make matters even more confusing, Leon now has a new computer and is
> >> apparently no longer using Outlook?
> >>
> >> Go figure ...
> >
> > Next time you're at his house, sneak into his computer and replace his Windows
> > Live Mail with Thunderbird.
> >
> > Better yet install Outlook Express. ;~) I am using giganews, I wonder if that
> > is why Outlook Express was showing the same problem.
>
> "Better yet" ? Phew... Can't stand that thing...

How does one go about "installing" Outlook Express, anyway, other than
by installing a copy of XP or earlier in a virtual machine?

"Tom Dacon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> I still read the mail on a few selected newsgroups such as this one, but
> rarely post. I've gotten so tired of the near-constant flame wars, pissing
> contests, and off-topic wooly-minded political rants that I've just about
> given up on Usenet.

Then, I suggest you have a look at the Festool Owners Group. It's run and
moderated by Festool, but it covers the entire gamut of woodworking
including many other woodworking tools and methods that have nothing to do
with Festool. There's no flame wars, swearing and very little of the
political or religious rants that frequent this newsgroup. As well, there's
nothing in the way of trolls or anything close to all around shit
disturbers. Despite this seemingly controlled atmosphere, moderation is very
rare other than maintenance issues. Have a look.
http://festoolownersgroup.com/

"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote
> I don't think OE was all that bad - it was far from perfect, but it
> largely functioned as a newsreader. The biggest problem I ever saw in it
> was Microsoft's attempt to change the world of usenet and force top
> posting, but that was easily overcome with little effort on the part of
> the poster. I have not seen Win7 yet, nor Windows Live Mail, but it does
> seem like it is a real cluster...

Win7 is great. XP has been solid, but W7 is easier to use on the desktop.

The 2010 version of Live Mail is just fine, but the 2011 version sucks big
time. I was able to roll back to the older version. If I bought a new
computer, I'd find another news reader to use.

"Edward Hennessey" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Google, I don't see your posts unless others quote them.

Regards,

EH


That is something unique to you. We see the posts, originals and all. You
need to look into your end for the solution to this problem. Have you got
him in the block sender list?

"Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> MS seems to be into "hiding" things are that are not used frequently. I
> like it but it makes a steep learning curve.

Not a steep learning curve. Trolls like you simply don't have the
intelligence that would make it easy to learn.

"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "Mike Marlow" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> Leon wrote:
>> "Mike" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>
>> On 5/6/2011 8:53 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Edward Hennessey" wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Google, I don't see your posts unless others quote them.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> EH
>>>
>>>
>>> That is something unique to you.
>>
>> Hardly. Anyone using NewsProxy now that used it when newsgroups
>> were
>> actually popular probably has Google blocked. That was due to the
>> volume of crap that came from Google initiated by every wanna be
>> troll
>> in knee pants. Fortunately, that activity seems to have all but
>> disappeared.
>>
>>
>> Unique in that "he" will have to make the changes to be able to
>> correct the problem. I did not mean to say that only he has the
>> problem, just that the problem had to be corrected on his end.
>
> What's going on with more and more newsreaders all of a sudden?
> Reference
> Leon's reply above to a previous post - no manner of differentiating
> his
> reply from the previous post. It's not just Leon's posts, it's been
> showing
> up in more and more posts by different people. Do people not know
> how to
> set their newsreader to insert something to differentiate their
> reply from
> the previous comments (seems unlikely, since this is not a
> longstanding
> problem), or has there been a recent release of one of the more
> popular
> newsreaders?
>
> Request to those experiencing this - please take a look at your
> reader
> configuration, or at least insert something into your reply that
> clearly
> differentiates your comments from previous comments. It is
> impossible to
> sort through who said what in some of these replies.
>
>
> This has been a situation starting with me using Windows Live Mail
> on Win 7. I have not yet figured out how to keep it from stripping
> off or adding the > thingys.
>
>

As long as we are talking about newsreaders and OE,
does anyone know if OE allows you to put the "watch
eyeglasses" icon on a single post in a thread instead
of doing that to all thread posts when you only want
to watch one?

If this is possible, what is the maneuver?
If it is not possible in OE, is there a better newsreader
that has that capability?

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

"Swingman" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

On 5/7/2011 8:18 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:

> What's going on with more and more newsreaders all of a sudden? Reference
> Leon's reply above to a previous post - no manner of differentiating his
> reply from the previous post. It's not just Leon's posts, it's been
> showing
> up in more and more posts by different people.

I've had that problem with Leon's posts here for quite some time. The
only way I can decipher his content from replies on certain messages is
to read the post he's replying to again ... this has been going on for a
year or more, IIRC.

That said, it only happened when he was replying to some messages, not
all. I chalked it up to Thunderbird?

To make matters even more confusing, Leon now has a new computer and is
apparently no longer using Outlook?

Go figure ...


I wonder if it started when I started using Giganews.

On 5/6/2011 8:53 AM, Leon wrote:
>
>
> "Edward Hennessey" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> Google, I don't see your posts unless others quote them.
>
> Regards,
>
> EH
>
>
> That is something unique to you.

Hardly. Anyone using NewsProxy now that used it when newsgroups were
actually popular probably has Google blocked. That was due to the
volume of crap that came from Google initiated by every wanna be troll
in knee pants. Fortunately, that activity seems to have all but
disappeared.

On 5/7/2011 12:44 PM, Swingman wrote:

> ... or maybe ATT's mail server is screwing around with you? :(

PUHLEEESE: Not to be taken seriously ... it is a location joke.

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

On 5/7/2011 12:41 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> FrozenNorth wrote:
>
>> Outlook Express was a bad newsreader, Windows Live Mail is atrocious.
>> Expect to see more of it as people migrate to Win7, unless they
>> download and use another program for news.
>
> I don't think OE was all that bad - it was far from perfect, but it largely
> functioned as a newsreader. The biggest problem I ever saw in it was
> Microsoft's attempt to change the world of usenet and force top posting, but
> that was easily overcome with little effort on the part of the poster. I
> have not seen Win7 yet, nor Windows Live Mail, but it does seem like it is a
> real cluster...

I liked OE ... it was simple and did exactly what I wanted it to do,
nothing more.

Then true to MSFT's MO, they had to replace it with WM/WLM, the biggest,
most boated POS email client in existence, IMO.

When I got Vista with my laptop, I struggled with WLM for months and
finally and switched to ThunderBird.

I've gotten used to TB, but I still miss the simplicity of OE.

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Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On 5/7/2011 12:54 PM, Leon wrote:
>
>
> "Swingman" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> On 5/7/2011 11:55 AM, Leon wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Swingman" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> On 5/7/2011 8:18 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>
>>> What's going on with more and more newsreaders all of a sudden?
>>> Reference
>>> Leon's reply above to a previous post - no manner of differentiating his
>>> reply from the previous post. It's not just Leon's posts, it's been
>>> showing
>>> up in more and more posts by different people.
>>
>> I've had that problem with Leon's posts here for quite some time. The
>> only way I can decipher his content from replies on certain messages is
>> to read the post he's replying to again ... this has been going on for a
>> year or more, IIRC.
>>
>> That said, it only happened when he was replying to some messages, not
>> all. I chalked it up to Thunderbird?
>>
>> To make matters even more confusing, Leon now has a new computer and is
>> apparently no longer using Outlook?
>>
>> Go figure ...
>>
>>
>> I wonder if it started when I started using Giganews.
>
> No, some of your messages were exhibiting that behavior before, IIRC.
> Besides, I use giganews and it doesn't happen to mine, I don't think??
>
> Check your email ... I sent you a screen capture of one of your posts
> that doesn't show quoting.
>
> One thing that is a clue to why, but I didn't pursue it ... in the past
> it only happened when you were replying to certain people, and it
> _always_ happened when you replied to posts from that individual.
>
> I figured it was a bug in Outlook that was reacting to an unusual
> character code choice on the part of the sender??
>
> Now that you no longer use Outlook, it may be a setup issue with fonts
> or character coding on your end??
>
> ... or maybe ATT's mail server is screwing around with you? :(
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> It apparently being intermittent and the fact that I had not made any
> settings changes I suspect it is ATT.
>
> I inserted a line above perhaps that will help. Perhaps I will remember
> to use it. ;~)

That helps, but it should not be necessary.

I'm at a loss as to why ... actually, ATT is not in the picture with
GigaNews. That was supposed to be a joke. ;)


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KarlC@ (the obvious)

What a ridiculous thing to do...one of the main offenders shows the way.
I doubt he would survive there for more than a post or two.

Good one!
-----------------------
"Tom Dacon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Thanks, Upscale. I'm a bit of a Festool guy myself in a minor way, with one
or two of them in my kit - the smaller sheet goods saw and a 5" random
orbital sander with the littlest vacuum, and I wish the budget would allow
me to add a few more of them.

Good tip. See you there.

Tom

---------------------------------
"Upscale" wrote in message
Then, I suggest you have a look at the Festool Owners Group. It's run and
moderated by Festool, but it covers the entire gamut of woodworking
including many other woodworking tools and methods that have nothing to do
with Festool. There's no flame wars, swearing and very little of the
political or religious rants that frequent this newsgroup. As well, there's
nothing in the way of trolls or anything close to all around shit
disturbers. Despite this seemingly controlled atmosphere, moderation is very
rare other than maintenance issues. Have a look.
http://festoolownersgroup.com/

Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote in news:fd9ba000-7728-41d9-
[email protected]:

> Note the plural. For someon who is into wooddorking and cooking, I am
> somewhat ashame to say that I have a 30-year old completely
> inefficient kitchen that is now falling apart. I am designing a new
> one (thanks Swing for the sketch-up library) and am trying to figure
> out what to use for counter tops.
>
> Note the plural. Maybe there is one best overall material, but I am
> not necessarily averse to using more than one.
>
> So what would you use in an ideal kithcen:
>
> Arborite/Formical/High pressure laminate?
> Solid surface a la Corian or others?
> Paperstone?
> Wood - vertical "real" butcher block or horizontal laminations? What
> wood if not maple?
> Stone (granite, marble)?
> Others I missed?
>
> Right now I'm inclined towards high pressure laminate with maybe a
> wood section, or a separate bread/pastaboard that could slip under the
> counter like my father did many years ago. The Arborite has lasted 30
> years in my kitchen with only a couple of ugly spots. I realize the
> solid surface stuff can be repaired, but how much of a real advantage
> is that?
>
> Note that these are just my initial thoughts and am quite open to
> being convinced otherwise.
>
> Thanks in advance for your collective wisdom.
>
> Luigi

We put in Silestone some 10-12 years ago. It has held up remarkably
well. No problems with hot pans. We (actually she) use it as a cutting
board as well. No problem for knives or counter. Other than wiping with
soap and water there is no maintenance. Bleach should be fine too. In
contrast to granite there is no sealing required.

I was informed that it was much more expensive than granite now, but
don't know whether that is indeed so. Come and see it whenever you're
near Newark, NJ <grin>.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 5/5/2011 9:56 AM, Luigi Zanasi wrote:
>
>> Note the plural. Maybe there is one best overall material, but I am
>> not necessarily averse to using more than one.
>
> Rob nailed it ...
>
> As far as using more than one material, that can really take it out of
> the realm of ordinary. An example is an ultra modern kitchen we're
> just finishing up that has two colors of 3/4" Caesar Stone, 2 1/4"
> John Boos end grain maple butcher block, and a laminate back splash.
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenShopPictures?
> authkey=Gv1sRgCIaJgYOqgKvOVw#5603375169640816674

Awesome, Karl!
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Best regards
Han
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Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote in news:ca78023b-5299-4bbb-9431-
[email protected]:

> Although I must confess that, unlike Rob, I don't get much of a woody
> over the kitchen appliances.

Salivate as I might over that stove, it isn't practical in my 8x13 ft
kitchen, with 3 doors.

--
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Han
email address is invalid

"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> I wonder if it started when I started using Giganews.

I don't recall the same problem with others using Giganews.
You could always try a free subscription to eternal-september, or better
yet, try out Astraweb. As mentioned often enough, I paid $10 in 2008, and
still have more than 24GB available of the 25GB that I paid for

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Han
email address is invalid

Han <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> I wonder if it started when I started using Giganews.
>
> I don't recall the same problem with others using Giganews.
> You could always try a free subscription to eternal-september, or
> better yet, try out Astraweb. As mentioned often enough, I paid $10
> in 2008, and still have more than 24GB available of the 25GB that I
> paid for
>

Website is http://astraweb.com/

--
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Han
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"dadiOH" wrote in message =
news:[email protected]...

Leon wrote:
> "Swingman" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> On 5/7/2011 8:18 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> What's going on with more and more newsreaders all of a sudden? =
Reference=20
>> Leon's reply above to a previous post - no manner of
>> differentiating his reply from the previous post. It's not just
>> Leon's posts, it's been showing
>> up in more and more posts by different people.
>
> I've had that problem with Leon's posts here for quite some time. The
> only way I can decipher his content from replies on certain messages
> is to read the post he's replying to again ... this has been going on
> for a year or more, IIRC.
>
> That said, it only happened when he was replying to some messages, not
> all. I chalked it up to Thunderbird?
>
> To make matters even more confusing, Leon now has a new computer and
> is apparently no longer using Outlook?
>
> Go figure ...
>
>
> I wonder if it started when I started using Giganews.

Not likely.

Poke around on the "Tools" menu, find and open "Options", then open the
"Send" tab. Is there an area there for "News sending format"? If so, =
open
the "Plain text setting" button...got a place on the new applet to =
"Indent
original text..."? If so, set that up.


-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-------

Oddly, No tools menu. But I did find the options for e-mail and mail. =

Why those are speperate I'll never know. Any way I am trying the plaint =

text, MIME, Quoter "printable" vs.none.=20

"FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> It was a while back, so I can't say for sure they all were polished both
> sides, this particular piece was.

That reminds me of a home improvement show I viewed some months ago. The
home owner picked out of piece of granite for his kitchen and sent it off to
be cut and polished. When it was delivered, he realized he'd told the
granite company to polish the wrong side. Since the piece of granite he had
picked out was cut with a shortened 45 degree bend in it, the polished side
up had the bend going 180 degrees in the wrong direction. The home owner
lucked out though. Someone else like the faulty piece enough that they
bought it for just a little less then retail cost.

On May 5, 5:35=A0pm, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On 5/05/11 5:22 PM, Upscale wrote:> "FrozenNorth"<[email protected]=
m.ail.com> =A0wrote in message
> >>> I've only seen slabs polished on one side. =A0Why would they go to al=
l
> >>> of that extra work when one side is never going to be seen?
>
> >> Not sure, now you mention it, but I got to pick the show side. =A0:-)
> >> There was a minor difference.
>
> > Maybe the piece was originally destined for a setting where both sides =
would
> > be visible when in use? Or perhaps, they polished one side and then dec=
ided
> > the pattern on the other side was more interesting. Who knows?
>
> It was a while back, so I can't say for sure they all were polished both
> sides, this particular piece was.

Fair enough. The only application that comes to mind for a two-sided
polished slab in a typical countertop thickness stone would be
something like a toilet partition. I remember reading about a
Georgian quarry that supplied the institutional-standard toilet
partitions for a large part of the country back in the 30's and 40's.
I have no idea what makes a particular quarry's stone better for
partitions, but I could understand a place like that might be in the
habit of polishing both sides as standard.

R

FrozenNorth wrote:

> Outlook Express was a bad newsreader, Windows Live Mail is atrocious.
> Expect to see more of it as people migrate to Win7, unless they
> download and use another program for news.

I don't think OE was all that bad - it was far from perfect, but it largely
functioned as a newsreader. The biggest problem I ever saw in it was
Microsoft's attempt to change the world of usenet and force top posting, but
that was easily overcome with little effort on the part of the poster. I
have not seen Win7 yet, nor Windows Live Mail, but it does seem like it is a
real cluster...

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On May 6, 12:46=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Thu, 5 May 2011 18:53:30 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On May 5, 9:37=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On May 5, 6:43=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> > If I had to do that over again, in this house?
> >> > A custom top (sheets can be 5x12ft approx $ 200.00) Wilsonart AEON
> >> > General Purpose thickness laminated on waterproof MDF with a wood or
> >> > Corian edge.
>
> >> Why Corian instead of AEON for the edge?
>
> >> R
>
> >Decorative reason? Also, you can bend Corian around corner and create
> >a radius. If you do that with HPL, you have to have a sharp edge. With
> >wood or Corian you can follow a radius around a radius.
> >Also refinish-able and more durable.... and super cool looking if you
> >hit the right colours.
>
> That still leaves the cold touch to the countertop. Wood sounds much
> more intriguing. =A0Ebony, jarrah, purkleheartless (for the numerous and
> wonderful splinters!), jatoba.
>

Ebony slabs 25.5" x 1.5" x 144" would be cheap.

On May 6, 8:39=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

> USA made, like they used to make things, it is a precision piece of
> equipment. No shortcuts in the manufacturing and the 'fit and finish' is
> something your rarely see these days, like a fine piece of furniture.
> One of the wow factors is that you can put a burner on low heat, lay a
> piece of paper on it and it won't catch on fire.

Boyoboyoboy!!! With that kind of control a b=E9arnaise sauce 'ribbon'
would be a snap.
I file the recipe for that sauce under 'Coronary sauces'

I don't really have the space for it either, so my 30" NG range with a
gas-fired convection oven will have to do.

Still, a guy can dream, wot?

"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Edward Hennessey" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> "Mike Marlow" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Leon wrote:
>>> "Mike" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> On 5/6/2011 8:53 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Edward Hennessey" wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> Google, I don't see your posts unless others quote them.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> EH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is something unique to you.
>>>
>>> Hardly. Anyone using NewsProxy now that used it when newsgroups
>>> were
>>> actually popular probably has Google blocked. That was due to the
>>> volume of crap that came from Google initiated by every wanna be
>>> troll
>>> in knee pants. Fortunately, that activity seems to have all but
>>> disappeared.
>>>
>>>
>>> Unique in that "he" will have to make the changes to be able to
>>> correct the problem. I did not mean to say that only he has the
>>> problem, just that the problem had to be corrected on his end.
>>
>> What's going on with more and more newsreaders all of a sudden?
>> Reference
>> Leon's reply above to a previous post - no manner of
>> differentiating his
>> reply from the previous post. It's not just Leon's posts, it's
>> been showing
>> up in more and more posts by different people. Do people not know
>> how to
>> set their newsreader to insert something to differentiate their
>> reply from
>> the previous comments (seems unlikely, since this is not a
>> longstanding
>> problem), or has there been a recent release of one of the more
>> popular
>> newsreaders?
>>
>> Request to those experiencing this - please take a look at your
>> reader
>> configuration, or at least insert something into your reply that
>> clearly
>> differentiates your comments from previous comments. It is
>> impossible to
>> sort through who said what in some of these replies.
>>
>>
>> This has been a situation starting with me using Windows Live Mail
>> on Win 7. I have not yet figured out how to keep it from stripping
>> off or adding the > thingys.
>>
>>
>
> As long as we are talking about newsreaders and OE,
> does anyone know if OE allows you to put the "watch
> eyeglasses" icon on a single post in a thread instead
> of doing that to all thread posts when you only want
> to watch one?
>
> If this is possible, what is the maneuver?
> If it is not possible in OE, is there a better newsreader
> that has that capability?
>
> Regards,
>
> Edward Hennessey
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Testing once more
>
>

Leon:

Thank you. I didn't have a flag column.
I'll restart OE and try again.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey
My newsreader doesn't see Google Groups posts.

On May 5, 6:31=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 5/5/2011 9:56 AM, Luigi Zanasi wrote:
>
> > Note the plural. Maybe there is one best overall material, but I am
> > not necessarily averse to using more than one.
>
> Rob nailed it ...
>
> As far as using more than one material, that can really take it out of
> the realm of ordinary. An example is an ultra modern kitchen we're just
> finishing up that has two colors of 3/4" Caesar Stone, 2 1/4" John Boos
> end grain maple butcher block, and a laminate back splash.
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenShopPicture...
>
It's a great job. I have been following your posts on that project.
What finish did you use on the cabinets?

Although I must confess that, unlike Rob, I don't get much of a woody
over the kitchen appliances.

L.

On May 5, 1:33 pm, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> Exactly, I went to a local place that had hundreds of slabs, they were
> rough cut, but finished and polished on two sides. I picked the piece I
> wanted after having a pro come out and measure my kitchen. Couple days
> later got the call it was ready, with the edge profile I wanted etc. It
> was a good experience for me, YMMV.

The slabs were polished on both sides? That's really odd. It would
bump up the price of the slab appreciably and one side is hidden.
I've only seen slabs polished on one side. Why would they go to all
of that extra work when one side is never going to be seen?

R

On May 5, 9:40=A0pm, "Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > Edward Hennessey wrote:
> >> "FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>> I can vouch for granite, put it in over ten years ago and still
> >>> love
> >>> it.
> >>> Drop a hot pot or pan, no burned spots.
> >>> Baking is easy, and wipes up real quick, even kneading a dough on
> >>> it.
> >>> Typically don't put anything down for chopping either, it still
> >>> looks great.
>
> >>> Just a happy customer, although it may be extra expensive where
> >>> you
> >>> are.
>
> >>> --
> >>> Froz...
>
> >> Luigi.
>
> DO:
>
> >> FN is right. Granite can be satisfying. But
> >> there are many kinds of granite. Some of the
> >> most beautiful have a lot of feldspar or
> >> mica.
>
> > Actually - and technically - all granite has them. =A0Some with mostly
> > plagioclase feldspar, some with orthoclase. =A0The other "granites"
> > are "granitic" stone.
>
> My emphasis was on avoiding a large
> amount of any feldspar or mica in any
> granite. Both are softies and some micas
> are renowned for delaminating if water
> catches them unprotected.
>
> What they call stone in the store, as you note,
> often departs from how a petrographer
> would classify them and their properties. If
> you said "granitic stone" to a specialist,
> it might be akin to a hypnotist saying "faint"
> to a subject.
>
> > ________________
>
> >> A very fine-grained sandstone would be one
> >> lapidary material to consider.
>
> > IMO, quartzite would be better.
>
> My mention of fine-grained sandstone failed to
> address the fact that quartzite is metmamorphosed
> sandstone. Good catch.
>
> One question is whether the use environment is likely
> to be one where sufficient forces are at play
> where one hard sandstone variety wouldn't survive where
> a harder one would. That calls for metrics I don't have.
>
> Quartzite has a lot of superior
> properties going for it. One thing that would
> not be among them would be repairability in
> some circumstances. It tends to split across the
> grains where the unmetamorphosed precursors will
> split around a grain. If someone does break both,
> the fault line in a precursor material can be more easily
> fudged.
>
> Check me on this. Do you know which of the
> two stones offers more color variations? If the hard
> unmetamorphosed material was more suitable in color
> than the quartzite, that might call the nod for some people.
>
> Speaking individually--and trying to get the OP to help us
> with the trade deficit by buying American--he might want
> to look at this page showing Kanab Wonderstone (silicified
> Rhyolite) which would make a real impressive backsplash
> statement:http://www.google.com/search?um=3D1&hl=3Den&biw=3D1039&bih=3D60=
8&tbm=3Disch&aq=3D...
>
> Luigi, you need this stuff. And DO, thanks for talking rocks.
>
> Regards,

Rocks are cool. I have a number of slabs from our local rock firm,
Sidrock owned by Sid McKeown (http://www.sidrock.com/). Three jade
slabs about 2 feet by 4 feet quasi ovals (Nephrite, I think, but
obviously not jade quality), a 2 foot by 16 inch slab of skarn from
the Whitehorse copper mine, showing all kinds of minerals including
chalcopyrite, garnets, feldspar, etc., My marble slab entrance which
is white marble with black streaks and some yellow spots. finally an
oval slab of greenstone or some such green metamorphic rocks. When Sid
was starting his now very successful business, he would occasionally
call us and ask if we wanted any rock slabs whenever he was having
cash flow problems. We usually were happy to oblige.

What do you think of nephrite countertops?

Luigi

On May 5, 10:56=A0am, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote:

> Arborite/Formical/High pressure laminate?

Not all laminates are created equal..in fact, far from it.
Assuming they have a colour/pattern you like, Wilsonart AEON series is
unbeatable for performance. Awesome stuff.
http://www.wilsonartcontract.com/Laminate/AEON/

> Solid surface a la Corian or others?

No visible seams, refinish-able, any kind of edge treatment you could
wish for.
Doesn't like high heat, scratches which will be visible on darker
colours, but still refinish-able.


> Paperstone?

Stupid money for a very scratchable product. The answer to the
question nobody asked.

> Wood - vertical "real" butcher block or horizontal laminations? What wood=
if not maple?

Buy it from a pro...like John Boos. Expensive but pretty. DO avoid
bamboo!

> Stone (granite, marble)?

Definitely not marble. Too soft and porous. Awesome colours though.
Granite is all over the place. It can be soft, like a sponge, hard as
a hooker's heart, can be stunning to look at. No warranty, seams are
germ-traps. Buyer beware as there is a lot of sub-standard granite
around. The good ones are always expensive... always.

> Others I missed?

Quartz, like Silestone, Hanstone, Ceasar Stone, DuPont Zodiaq,
Cambria.
Bar none my favourite in terms of colours, durability, seams can be
very inconspicuous. Most carry a 10 year warranty and some even 15
yrs. Excellent stuff. Expensive.
.
.
.
BUT... cold to the touch, something that bugs me as much as it does C-
Less. THAT is why I have Corian at my house. It is a lot warmer and I
got it for free. *smirk*
If I had to do that over again, in this house?
A custom top (sheets can be 5x12ft approx $ 200.00) Wilsonart AEON
General Purpose thickness laminated on waterproof MDF with a wood or
Corian edge. Cheap, lightweight and if you use water based contact
adhesive... and yes there are good ones out there, you're pretty green
to boot.

You do give up the undermounted sink.

On May 5, 6:43=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> If I had to do that over again, in this house?
> A custom top (sheets can be 5x12ft approx $ 200.00) Wilsonart AEON
> General Purpose thickness laminated on waterproof MDF with a wood or
> Corian edge.

Why Corian instead of AEON for the edge?

R

"Mike Marlow" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Leon wrote:
> "Mike" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> On 5/6/2011 8:53 AM, Leon wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Edward Hennessey" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Google, I don't see your posts unless others quote them.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> EH
>>
>>
>> That is something unique to you.
>
> Hardly. Anyone using NewsProxy now that used it when newsgroups were
> actually popular probably has Google blocked. That was due to the
> volume of crap that came from Google initiated by every wanna be troll
> in knee pants. Fortunately, that activity seems to have all but
> disappeared.
>
>
> Unique in that "he" will have to make the changes to be able to
> correct the problem. I did not mean to say that only he has the
> problem, just that the problem had to be corrected on his end.

What's going on with more and more newsreaders all of a sudden? Reference
Leon's reply above to a previous post - no manner of differentiating his
reply from the previous post. It's not just Leon's posts, it's been showing
up in more and more posts by different people. Do people not know how to
set their newsreader to insert something to differentiate their reply from
the previous comments (seems unlikely, since this is not a longstanding
problem), or has there been a recent release of one of the more popular
newsreaders?

Request to those experiencing this - please take a look at your reader
configuration, or at least insert something into your reply that clearly
differentiates your comments from previous comments. It is impossible to
sort through who said what in some of these replies.


This has been a situation starting with me using Windows Live Mail on Win 7.
I have not yet figured out how to keep it from stripping off or adding the >
thingys.

"Edward Hennessey" wrote in message=20
news:[email protected]...


"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "Mike Marlow" wrote in message=20
> news:[email protected]...
>
> Leon wrote:
>> "Mike" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>
>> On 5/6/2011 8:53 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Edward Hennessey" wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Google, I don't see your posts unless others quote them.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> EH
>>>
>>>
>>> That is something unique to you.
>>
>> Hardly. Anyone using NewsProxy now that used it when newsgroups were
>> actually popular probably has Google blocked. That was due to the
>> volume of crap that came from Google initiated by every wanna be =
troll
>> in knee pants. Fortunately, that activity seems to have all but
>> disappeared.
>>
>>
>> Unique in that "he" will have to make the changes to be able to
>> correct the problem. I did not mean to say that only he has the
>> problem, just that the problem had to be corrected on his end.
>
> What's going on with more and more newsreaders all of a sudden? =
Reference
> Leon's reply above to a previous post - no manner of differentiating =
his
> reply from the previous post. It's not just Leon's posts, it's been=20
> showing
> up in more and more posts by different people. Do people not know how =
to
> set their newsreader to insert something to differentiate their reply =
from
> the previous comments (seems unlikely, since this is not a =
longstanding
> problem), or has there been a recent release of one of the more =
popular
> newsreaders?
>
> Request to those experiencing this - please take a look at your reader
> configuration, or at least insert something into your reply that =
clearly
> differentiates your comments from previous comments. It is impossible =
to
> sort through who said what in some of these replies.
>
>
> This has been a situation starting with me using Windows Live Mail on =
Win=20
> 7. I have not yet figured out how to keep it from stripping off or =
adding=20
> the > thingys.
>
>

As long as we are talking about newsreaders and OE,
does anyone know if OE allows you to put the "watch
eyeglasses" icon on a single post in a thread instead
of doing that to all thread posts when you only want
to watch one?

If this is possible, what is the maneuver?
If it is not possible in OE, is there a better newsreader
that has that capability?

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

I am not sure how "watched" and the "flag" differ, I always used the =
"flag".=20
It will allow a single flag on "1 or more" posts in a thread.

On May 6, 12:17=A0am, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message Quartz, like Silesto=
ne,
>
> Hanstone, Ceasar Stone, DuPont Zodiaq,
> Cambria.
> Bar none my favourite in terms of colours, durability, seams can be
> very inconspicuous. Most carry a 10 year warranty and some even 15
> yrs. Excellent stuff. Expensive.
>
> Barring cost. What counter top would you consider to be the most durable,
> flat (not tile) but easiest to maintaine? My limited experience with
> stainless steel is that it scratches.

I would say Quartz. Of all the quartz brands, the Cambria palette is
the most versatile and appealing(to me).
http://www.cambriausa.com/collection.cfm

On May 5, 11:58=A0pm, "Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > On May 5, 1:33 pm, FrozenNorth <[email protected]> wrote=
:
>
> >> Exactly, I went to a local place that had hundreds of slabs, they were
> >> rough cut, but finished and polished on two sides. =A0I picked the pie=
ce I
> >> wanted after having a pro come out and measure my kitchen. =A0Couple d=
ays
> >> later got the call it was ready, with the edge profile I wanted etc. =
=A0It
> >> was a good experience for me, YMMV.
>
> > The slabs were polished on both sides? =A0That's really odd. =A0It woul=
d
> > bump up the price of the slab appreciably and one side is hidden.
> > I've only seen slabs polished on one side. =A0Why would they go to all
> > of that extra work when one side is never going to be seen?
>
>
> RDJ:
>
> As covered later in the thread, vertical placement
> of the slab.

I brought up the toilet partition, and I don't think anyone else
mentioned a two-sided vertical application. Sure, there are some
extremely limited applications for two-sides polished stone, but it
makes no sense for slabs to be generally polished that way. It's a
waste of time and money. If a special application needs the obverse
side polished, it's no big deal to do so.

> Two, what may arguably be called "snob appeal"
> when a salesman may be trying to stress the
> superiority of his offering thusly if there is any chance
> it could be seen on either face: "The competition
> actually leaves the underside of their tables cut
> raw. We finish polish ours."

I suppose that might make it a little harder to stick gum to the
underside, but beyond that I'm not sure who would consider that an
advantage. Polishing stone takes a lot of time and passes. It makes
no sense.

Look at it this way. Your dining room table is wood, right? Does it
have a french polished underside? Is there any finish on it at all.
Has anyone ever noticed, mentioned or complained that there isn't a
finish under there? Usually people that are under the table are too
busy trying to get the room to stop spinning to bother with noticing
levels of sheen. ;)

> Three--and this is material--some materials show
> significant design variation across the slab thickness,
> particularly those with included elements which
> expose differently over their length or at angles. See
> an image search for =A0+orthoceras (slab* OR
> table*) and you should get a visual on the idea.

I didn't know orthoceras was available in anything larger than a
relatively small piece, and those pieces are fairly expensive. I
still can't imagine a kitchen done in the stuff - what's the biggest
slab you've seen? With all stone there is a better side, a choice is
made and that side is polished, then the stone is sent out to local
distributors. If something needs both sides polished, the supplier
will do it during fabrication.

I would like to see a freestanding curving stone shower enclosure done
in the orthoceras, though. That would be spiffy.

> Four--another material point: If it gets damaged
> on one side, if the customer tires of it on one
> side, they can flip it in some applications.

Is it already April 1st again? What application can you name where
flipping a slab would work? Edge treatment alone would eliminate
almost all applications, and sinks, ends, etc. would effectively
eliminate all of the rest. A coffee table _might_ qualify_ but a
coffee table doesn't take much abuse, and how many people have stone
coffee tables custom made where they'd be buying slabs from a
distributor?

How does flipping a piece of stone relieve the owner's ennui-de-
stone? Thin slabs are pretty much the same on both sides, no?

R