All, with the recent accusations against Charlie and others, I decided to
check to see if I needed to "come clean" and admit to swearing too, before
the Inquisition caught up with me and I was dragged from the moron bench and
cast adrift on the Turd Barge on the River Sticks (<-OBWW).
I searched google under all my aliases (both of them) to make sure I have
not said "fuck" either. Note that the word "fuck" is in quotes, and is
quoted from the quoted section of TWSRN posts about Charlie saying "f*ck".
Since I am quoting TWSRN's "fuck" where they have quoted Charlie's "fuck" I
an thrice removed and feel safe in that I am actually doing no wrong myself.
I trust everyone else will join me in determining whether they too, have
used the quoted "fuck" word and get through this by a ritual cleansing.
So, have you said "fuck"?
--
Greg
> > "Put up or shut up", but I know you won't do either, you can't. You
don't
> > have the facts to support the former or the balls to achieve the latter.
Liar - proven.
Slanderer - proven.
Won't apologise, or will then qualify it down to nothing later - proven.
You attack the regulars to lower the enjoyment they get from the wreck and
hope to drive them away (it's not working).
You attack newbies like yourself to try and stop them from staying (it's not
working).
You remain anonymous for fear of someone holding you to account.
No facts, no balls, no doubt you're a troll. You've failed your mission
recon troll.
On Sun, 09 May 2004 00:18:57 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
wrote:
>you are a moron. you KNOW I didn't write what was contained
>in that post. jeez!@!
You either just don't get it (which is sad) or you love seeing your
own posts on usenet (which is unbelievably, even sadder).
YOU posted the message on the wreck with that word in it.
It would not have been seen on the wreck if YOU hadn't posted it.
It doesn't matter who said it somewhere else, YOU brought it here.
YOU didn't even have it in quotes (as if that makes it less
offensive).
So, mr hypocrisy, if you want to be indignant about the "filth" that
allegedly proliferates on the wreck, look in the mirror.
I note that you are a "last-word" person, so feel free. I predict
another ad-hominem attack, since you have no rational defense
otherwise.
- -
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
[email protected] (D. A. Clark) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In the days of merry old England, a protitute would be arrested for
> unwed carnal knowledge and the charge was documented as such by its
> acronym in official court records.
> Thus, somewhere across the pond, there is a whole pile of dusty old
> books with fuck written boldly through them.
Cute, but wrong. See:
http://www.snopes.com/language/acronyms/fuck.htm
> BTW, Conan, he misspelled meaning.
Thanks for the heads-up, but I don't routinely point out
misspellings, D.A. (You don't mind if I call you D.A., do you?) I
reserve them for cases where the irony is simply too rich to pass up.
Chuck Vance
"Mutt" wrote in message ...
> Ahem, er, well, not to get terribly picky, Groggy, (and most certainly
> not to precipitate anything remotely resembling a flame war), but in
> fairness I think the acrynom TWSRUN ("Those Who Shall Remain
> Un-Named") (I left the "u" in so we'd have at least one vowel, making
> it easier to pronounce), of which the thought to be expressed thereby
> mirrored TWSRN, was my gift to the group in a thread about Charlie
> Self being a class guy.
Mutt, I must apologise, I genuinely thought it originated from the
referenced thread, and "TWSRUN" it shall remain.
As regards the flame war, that's most unlikely from me. If you or anyone
else cares to look at my history over the years I'd be very surprised if you
saw me flaming anyone (and I mean that) other than obvious trolls and the
present twit.
That goes for the majority of those in this group too, there are some of the
most placid guys that have been drawn to comment on the extended spate of
bad trolling, (which started, funnily enough, just around the time the puppy
wizzer et al were attacking Perry over her poisoned pooch).
cheers,
Greg
On 7 May 2004 19:36:06 -0700, John <[email protected]> wrote:
> I personally couldn't care less who curses or whatever, I am
> here for information. Dave & Charlie - I am not taking sides, just an
> observer, let's get back to woodworking!
4 or 5 days back, I wrote pretty much the same thing. Bay Area Dave
pretended to, what were his words, "see the light" for a couple of
hours, and then he returned to his normal ways. Charlie, on the other
hand, has continued to post his usual informative posts throughout.
One of them apparently isn't interested in "getting back to woodworking",
and the other one seemingly hasn't stopped posting about it in the first
place.
Killfiles are a wonderful thing. Trolls post for attention; by
ignoring them, it deprives them of the positive feedback they thrive on.
If your newsreader doesn't support it, there are some great ones out
there which do, for any operating system you happen to be running.
Dave Hinz
Upscale wrote:
> No fucking way.
>
> As an aside, every time I see the word, I think of a clothing store here in
> Toronto. It's called fcuk. Obviously they're trying to attract attention
> with the misspelling, but all I can think of whenever I pass the store, is
> how ridiculous the name is and laugh at them, not with them.
Years ago in Buffalo one of the local radio stations used to have a morning
show hosted by two radio personalities named Taylor & Moore. They did a daily
skit about the monarch of the land of Fa. He was the Fa king and had a dog
that was a mongrel. It was the Fa cur. (and on and on...)
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
Ahem, er, well, not to get terribly picky, Groggy, (and most certainly
not to precipitate anything remotely resembling a flame war), but in
fairness I think the acrynom TWSRUN ("Those Who Shall Remain
Un-Named") (I left the "u" in so we'd have at least one vowel, making
it easier to pronounce), of which the thought to be expressed thereby
mirrored TWSRN, was my gift to the group in a thread about Charlie
Self being a class guy.
I expressed that concept as an effort to avoid the personalization
(having characterized, in spades, the recent flame war in these here
parts) which in turn seems to prick the sensibilities of agressive
TWSRUN who have a literary appetite for hyperbole and ad hominum
attacks on members of the group (perhaps because they have sufficient
self-awareness to possess guilty consciences about the public displays
of their quite profound psychological affliction[s]), or TWSRUN who
may simply be pathologically defensive about their pathological
rantings. Not having taken training as a psychiatrist, I really
couldn't say.
Now, you, or perhaps Tom have morph'd it to TWSRN (I haven't searched
fully for that version), and that's perfectly ok by me (hmmmm, one
less keystroke, maybe my inclusion of a vowel was a mistake) as the
consistent use of either version could well lead to the effect of
calming the roiling waters of the group and displace the hyperbole
which seems to be overtaking a larger and larger portion of the
heretofore quite civil discourse on the wreck.
As Charles Lamb (an early 19th century English essayist) once said:
"Hyperbole is comely in nothing but love." So I guess TWSRUN out
there who wish to engage in same should go find some big haired,
amply-bosomed Waffle House waitress to wax hyperbolic with, and GET
LAID!!!!!
Mutt
"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Greg O" wrote in message ...
> > After reading through this whole tread, all I can say is this is getting
> > fucking ridiculous!
>
>
> What a fitting note to end the thread on! A few comments if I may:
>
> It seems there are few regulars offended by the word so long as it is not
> used gratuitously, although most have, and will continue to, avoid it.
>
> TWSRN - Those Who Shall Remain Nameless (in case you missed it, from "The
> Shunning" by Tom Watson).
><SNIP>
>> cheers,
>
> Greg (aka Groggy)
Ahhhh, I am gratified that my somewhat clumsily nuanced prose, albeit
heavily influenced towards civility by my extensive corporate
diversity training, has been interpreted as intended.
[email protected] wrote in message
>
> I probably would have instructed them to get fucked, but the above
> works...
I already knew that from you a flame was unlikely, but the dropping of
the "u" gave me an opportunity to get to the last two words of my post
and express my true view of the soap opera cast of characters playing
out their social pathologies on the wreck, e.g., them TWSRUN fellas
(or gals, have we all considered that possibility??).
"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Mutt, I must apologise, I genuinely thought it originated from the
> referenced thread, and "TWSRUN" it shall remain.
>
> As regards the flame war, that's most unlikely from me. If you or anyone
> else cares to look at my history over the years I'd be very surprised if you
> saw me flaming anyone (and I mean that) other than obvious trolls and the
> present twit.
>
> <SNIP>
>
> cheers,
>
> Greg
"Chris Melanson" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I was once told by an English professor that the origins of the word fuck
> was as follows...
> Fornication Under Consent of the King
In the days of merry old England, a protitute would be arrested for
unwed carnal knowledge and the charge was documented as such by its
acronym in official court records.
Thus, somewhere across the pond, there is a whole pile of dusty old
books with fuck written boldly through them.
BTW, Conan, he misspelled meaning.
>
>"Chris Melanson" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I was once told by an English professor that the origins of the word fuck
>> was as follows...
>> Fornication Under Consent of the King
>
>In the days of merry old England, a protitute would be arrested for
>unwed carnal knowledge and the charge was documented as such by its
>acronym in official court records.
>Thus, somewhere across the pond, there is a whole pile of dusty old
>books with fuck written boldly through them.
>BTW, Conan, he misspelled meaning.
This stuff's been going around for years. The word actually derives from one in
another language. Norwiegen or Swedish or something.
GTO(John)
On 7 May 2004 06:02:13 -0700, [email protected] (Mutt) wrote:
>As Charles Lamb (an early 19th century English essayist) once said:
>"Hyperbole is comely in nothing but love." So I guess TWSRUN out
>there who wish to engage in same should go find some big haired,
>amply-bosomed Waffle House waitress to wax hyperbolic with, and GET
>LAID!!!!!
>
>Mutt
I probably would have instructed them to get fucked, but the above
works...
"Mutt" wrote in message ...
> I already knew that from you a flame was unlikely, but the dropping of
> the "u" gave me an opportunity to get to the last two words of my post
> and express my true view of the soap opera cast of characters playing
> out their social pathologies on the wreck, e.g., them TWSRUN fellas
> (or gals, have we all considered that possibility??).
Actually, I *have* considered the possibility of TWSRUN being a sociology
class performing experiments on us, and girls would be in that scenario. But
they would be trapped by the conundrum of publishing their findings with
their names on them and becoming legally liable for their activity :-)
So, even though TWSRUN don't have balls, I don't think they have breasts
either. Perhaps they're hermaphrodites?
cheers,
Greg
I'll opt for the clinton approach.
My fingers may have typed it but I never thought it.
--
Mike G.
[email protected]
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> All, with the recent accusations against Charlie and others, I decided to
> check to see if I needed to "come clean" and admit to swearing too, before
> the Inquisition caught up with me and I was dragged from the moron bench
and
> cast adrift on the Turd Barge on the River Sticks (<-OBWW).
>
> I searched google under all my aliases (both of them) to make sure I have
> not said "fuck" either. Note that the word "fuck" is in quotes, and is
> quoted from the quoted section of TWSRN posts about Charlie saying "f*ck".
> Since I am quoting TWSRN's "fuck" where they have quoted Charlie's "fuck"
I
> an thrice removed and feel safe in that I am actually doing no wrong
myself.
>
> I trust everyone else will join me in determining whether they too, have
> used the quoted "fuck" word and get through this by a ritual cleansing.
>
> So, have you said "fuck"?
>
> --
> Greg
>
>
"Greg O" wrote in message ...
> After reading through this whole tread, all I can say is this is getting
> fucking ridiculous!
What a fitting note to end the thread on! A few comments if I may:
It seems there are few regulars offended by the word so long as it is not
used gratuitously, although most have, and will continue to, avoid it.
TWSRN - Those Who Shall Remain Nameless (in case you missed it, from "The
Shunning" by Tom Watson).
We don't need a nanny to control the group, getting one would be a mark of
success for the trolls (but they already know that - right?).
Bringing remarks from other newsgroups into ours to discredit a member seems
to be a good thing for group cohesion (go Charlie!).
If you want to complain about how bad the word is (and here's a tip), don't
quote it verbatim, it tends to weaken your already tenuous credibility - a
link will suffice.
My apologies if placing the "word" in the OP offended anyone, but, as most
of you guessed, the point was to highlight the hypocrisy of the recent
criticisms and to have a little fun.
Anyway, it's been cathartic and we have emerged from the ritual cleansing
unscathed and refreshed.
As for me, I'm off to check out brocpuffs's purpleheart cabinet, to mourn
Tage Frid and to label parts containers.
Go make something of^H^Hwith your life.
cheers,
Greg (aka Groggy)
"Bay Area Dave" wrote in message ...
> unlike you? yeah, right. gonna sell the Brooklyn Bridge to
> him next?
My posts are a matter of record on Google/Deja. I don't expect you to post
facts though, you never do. Insinuation, personal attack and aspersions are
your proven forte'.
Still, I'll wait for any facts you can find. I may have come close to
flaming Woody Woodpecker once, when he was discussing welding gas tanks -
you might start there.
BTW, I won't accept your finding just one over a 5 or 6 year period as being
substantial proof of "unlike you", I don't think anyone else would either. A
pattern is required to support your attempted slander.
"Put up or shut up", but I know you won't do either, you can't. You don't
have the facts to support the former or the balls to achieve the latter.
cheers,
Greg
Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<RErmc.5717$N%[email protected]>...
> you just did...
>
> Greg Millen wrote:
>
> > So, have you said
> >
You are all screaming at Dave (BAD) & Charlie Self comes out with the
profanity. I have seen some really raunchy posts by Dave too, but
don't believe he actually posted them. I have learned a lot from both
of them. Sure seems there is an "inside crowd" here that tries to run
the show. I personally couldn't care less who curses or whatever, I am
here for information. Dave & Charlie - I am not taking sides, just an
observer, let's get back to woodworking! I haven't seen this much
comotion since that guy asked about a five sided planter! Please give
it a rest, maybe we could talk about my CRAFTSMAN tablesaw or my
CRAFTSMAN router.
Just my 2 cents
Big John
Fuckin right I have LOL
CHRIS
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> >>
> >> "Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> > All, with the recent accusations against Charlie and others, I
decided
> >to
> >> > check to see if I needed to "come clean" and admit to swearing too,
> >before
> >> > the Inquisition caught up with me and I was dragged from the moron
bench
> >> and
> >> > cast adrift on the Turd Barge on the River Sticks (<-OBWW).
> >> >
> >> > I searched google under all my aliases (both of them) to make sure I
> >have
> >> > not said "fuck" either. Note that the word "fuck" is in quotes, and
is
> >> > quoted from the quoted section of TWSRN posts about Charlie saying
> >"f*ck".
> >> > Since I am quoting TWSRN's "fuck" where they have quoted Charlie's
> >"fuck"
> >> I
> >> > an thrice removed and feel safe in that I am actually doing no wrong
> >> myself.
> >> >
> >> > I trust everyone else will join me in determining whether they too,
have
> >> > used the quoted "fuck" word and get through this by a ritual
cleansing.
> >> >
> >> > So, have you said "fuck"?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Greg
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> ummm...
>
> fuck you, Greg!
>
> <G>
At one time on the Internet, and on FidoNet before that, it was considered
bad form, highly inconsiderate, and the mark of a true newbie, to put
someone's real name in the subject line of a forum message.
Why don't you guys, who professs to respect Charlie Self so much, take a
page from the past when civility was a bit more common and remove his name
from the subject before replying to the troll bait.
IOW, show some REAL respect to Charlie, and at the same time gain the added
benefit of not playing so directly into the hands of the trolls and
trollees.
FWIW ...
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/13/04
Yo Greg,
If you'll do a search on my name, you'll find there are plenty of, shall we
say, strong expletives used recently. But look a little further and you'll
find they were made in my name by that fuckin idiot two weeks back that
thinks he's untouchable and that we've forgotten about him - not!
But I typically don't swear - to badly in a public forum.
While it may not be generally accepted as polite language in some circles -
it can be the attention getter needed when one is trying to make a point.
The "American Heritage Dictionary" defines the word thusly:
v., fucked, fuck·ing, fucks.
v.tr.
1. To have sexual intercourse with.
2. To take advantage of, betray, or cheat; victimize.
3. Used in the imperative as a signal of angry dismissal.
fuck - vulgar slang
v.intr.
1. To engage in sexual intercourse.
2. To act wastefully or foolishly.
3. To interfere; meddle. Often used with with.
n.
1. An act of sexual intercourse.
2. A partner in sexual intercourse.
3. A despised person.
4. Used as an intensive: What the fuck did you do that for?
interj.
1. Used to express extreme displeasure.
phrasal verbs:
fuck off
1. Used in the imperative as a signal of angry dismissal.
2. To spend time idly.
3. To masturbate.
fuck over
1. To treat unfairly; take advantage of.
fuck up
1. To make a mistake; bungle something.
2. To act carelessly, foolishly, or incorrectly.
3. To cause to be intoxicated.
[Middle English, attested in pseudo-Latin fuccant, (they) fuck, deciphered
from gxddbov.]
WORD HISTORY The obscenity fuck is a very old word and has been considered
shocking from the first, though it is seen in print much more often now than
in the past. Its first known occurrence, in code because of its
unacceptability, is in a poem composed in a mixture of Latin and English
sometime before 1500. The poem, which satirizes the Carmelite friars of
Cambridge, England, takes its title, "Flen flyys," from the first words of
its opening line, "Flen, flyys, and freris," that is, "fleas, flies, and
friars." The line that contains fuck reads "Non sunt in coeli, quia gxddbov
xxkxzt pg ifmk." The Latin words "Non sunt in coeli, quia," mean "they [the
friars] are not in heaven, since." The code "gxddbov xxkxzt pg ifmk" is
easily broken by simply substituting the preceding letter in the alphabet,
keeping in mind differences in the alphabet and in spelling between then and
now: i was then used for both i and j; v was used for both u and v; and vv
was used for w. This yields "fvccant [a fake Latin form] vvivys of heli."
The whole thus reads in translation: "They are not in heaven because they
fuck wives of Ely [a town near Cambridge]."
Soooooo..... I'd say that the OP needs to get a reality check.
Bob S.
OK. HERE THEY ARE!
Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, and Tits (G. Carlin).
To that I will add damn, pigfucker, needle dick the bug fucker, bang,
dong, prick, slit, vertical smile, petting the lizard, cornhole, cum,
whoa nelly, doo wah diddy, and BAD.
That's all the bad words that exist. They have now officially been
said. Let's get on with life.
mahalo,
jo4hn
p.s. Q: Do you know that sound that comes from a handful of shit hitting
a fan?
A: MMAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEE!
:-)
Thu, May 6, 2004, 3:06pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (jo4hn) claims:
<snip> That's all the bad words that exist. They have now officially
been said. Let's get on with life.
You have indeed lead a sheltered life Cockroach (or some kind of
bug), if you think that's the entire list. Besides, you also haven't
even touched swearing in foreign languages. LMAO
JOAT
If you think dogs can't count, try putting three dog biscuits in your
pocket and then giving Fido only two of them.
- Phil Pastoret
Twat? I cunt hear you! I've got an ear infuction!
"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> OK. HERE THEY ARE!
>
> Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, and Tits (G. Carlin).
> To that I will add damn, pigfucker, needle dick the bug fucker, bang,
> dong, prick, slit, vertical smile, petting the lizard, cornhole, cum,
> whoa nelly, doo wah diddy, and BAD.
>
> That's all the bad words that exist. They have now officially been
> said. Let's get on with life.
>
> mahalo,
> jo4hn
>
> p.s. Q: Do you know that sound that comes from a handful of shit hitting
> a fan?
> A: MMAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEE!
>
> :-)
>
"Chris Melanson" <[email protected]> writes:
> I am not fully sure if this is where the word FUCK originated but at
>least it is some brain food for some.
>I was once told by an English professor that the origins of the word fuck
>was as follows
>Fornication Under Consent of the King
>Please do not take this as truth as I am just passing a little trivia on the
>subject.
Always thought Van Halen had the right of it, "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge".
scott
I've never said "fuck", but I've said FUCK plenty of times. I'm not sure
I've ever said it on line or on this newsgroup, because I never thought
about it much.
I confess to saying FUCK, and throw myself on the mercy of the
rec.woodworking court.
Now, can we get this bullshit done, and get on with the business of
woodworking?
By the way, Charlie Self has never given me anything but great advice in his
direct posts back to my posted questions. I've also learned a tremendous
amount from his posts on other topics, as well as from his website. I've
never heard of TWSRN, but from his posts, just based on his character, he's
not even in the same universe as Charlie.
Now, go make some dust....
Nick B
"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> All, with the recent accusations against Charlie and others, I decided to
> check to see if I needed to "come clean" and admit to swearing too, before
> the Inquisition caught up with me and I was dragged from the moron bench
and
> cast adrift on the Turd Barge on the River Sticks (<-OBWW).
>
> I searched google under all my aliases (both of them) to make sure I have
> not said "fuck" either. Note that the word "fuck" is in quotes, and is
> quoted from the quoted section of TWSRN posts about Charlie saying "f*ck".
> Since I am quoting TWSRN's "fuck" where they have quoted Charlie's "fuck"
I
> an thrice removed and feel safe in that I am actually doing no wrong
myself.
>
> I trust everyone else will join me in determining whether they too, have
> used the quoted "fuck" word and get through this by a ritual cleansing.
>
> So, have you said "fuck"?
>
> --
> Greg
>
>
http://www.funnyjunk.com/pages/history.htm
"Chris Melanson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:icsmc.4873$uN4.3092@clgrps12...
> I am not fully sure if this is where the word FUCK originated but at
> least it is some brain food for some.
> I was once told by an English professor that the origins of the word fuck
> was as follows
> Fornication Under Consent of the King
> Please do not take this as truth as I am just passing a little trivia on
the
> subject.
> I think I will try to pass that one off on the wife next time she has
a
> head ache. By saying Its my right and the king has giving me his blessing
> LOL.
> Wonder how many night I will have to sleep on the couch for that one????
>
> CHRIS
>
>
> "Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > All, with the recent accusations against Charlie and others, I decided
to
> > check to see if I needed to "come clean" and admit to swearing too,
before
> > the Inquisition caught up with me and I was dragged from the moron bench
> and
> > cast adrift on the Turd Barge on the River Sticks (<-OBWW).
> >
> > I searched google under all my aliases (both of them) to make sure I
have
> > not said "fuck" either. Note that the word "fuck" is in quotes, and is
> > quoted from the quoted section of TWSRN posts about Charlie saying
"f*ck".
> > Since I am quoting TWSRN's "fuck" where they have quoted Charlie's
"fuck"
> I
> > an thrice removed and feel safe in that I am actually doing no wrong
> myself.
> >
> > I trust everyone else will join me in determining whether they too, have
> > used the quoted "fuck" word and get through this by a ritual cleansing.
> >
> > So, have you said "fuck"?
> >
> > --
> > Greg
> >
> >
>
>
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> "Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> I trust everyone else will join me in determining whether they too,
>> have used the quoted "fuck" word and get through this by a ritual
>> cleansing.
>>
>> So, have you said "fuck"?
>
> No fucking way.
>
> As an aside, every time I see the word, I think of a clothing store
> here in Toronto. It's called fcuk. Obviously they're trying to attract
> attention with the misspelling, but all I can think of whenever I pass
> the store, is how ridiculous the name is and laugh at them, not with
> them.
>
>
From http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/fcuk.asp:
French Connection United Kingdom is a real company, a vendor of youth
fashion, shoes, fragrances, and other items, and their better-known
suggestive initialism, FCUK, is used to maximum effect in ads which urge
their youthful consumers to "fcuk him" or "fcuk her." The company also
announced the opening of their biggest store to date with a full page ad
reading "The World's Biggest FCUK."
Dave Van Vugt writes:
>From http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/fcuk.asp:
>
>French Connection United Kingdom is a real company, a vendor of youth
>fashion, shoes, fragrances, and other items, and their better-known
>suggestive initialism, FCUK, is used to maximum effect in ads which urge
>their youthful consumers to "fcuk him" or "fcuk her." The company also
>announced the opening of their biggest store to date with a full page ad
>reading "The World's Biggest FCUK."
And did the competition add UP to that?
Charlie Self
"Don't let yesterday use up too much of today." Will Rogers
unlike you? yeah, right. gonna sell the Brooklyn Bridge to
him next?
dave
Greg Millen wrote:
> "Mutt" wrote in message ...
>
>>Ahem, er, well, not to get terribly picky, Groggy, (and most certainly
>>not to precipitate anything remotely resembling a flame war), but in
>>fairness I think the acrynom TWSRUN ("Those Who Shall Remain
>>Un-Named") (I left the "u" in so we'd have at least one vowel, making
>>it easier to pronounce), of which the thought to be expressed thereby
>>mirrored TWSRN, was my gift to the group in a thread about Charlie
>>Self being a class guy.
>
>
> Mutt, I must apologise, I genuinely thought it originated from the
> referenced thread, and "TWSRUN" it shall remain.
>
> As regards the flame war, that's most unlikely from me. If you or anyone
> else cares to look at my history over the years I'd be very surprised if you
> saw me flaming anyone (and I mean that) other than obvious trolls and the
> present twit.
>
> That goes for the majority of those in this group too, there are some of the
> most placid guys that have been drawn to comment on the extended spate of
> bad trolling, (which started, funnily enough, just around the time the puppy
> wizzer et al were attacking Perry over her poisoned pooch).
>
> cheers,
>
> Greg
>
>
actually I'm too lazy to pull up all your nonsense of
Google. has nothing to do with balls.
dave
Greg Millen wrote:
> "Bay Area Dave" wrote in message ...
>
>>unlike you? yeah, right. gonna sell the Brooklyn Bridge to
>>him next?
>
>
> My posts are a matter of record on Google/Deja. I don't expect you to post
> facts though, you never do. Insinuation, personal attack and aspersions are
> your proven forte'.
>
> Still, I'll wait for any facts you can find. I may have come close to
> flaming Woody Woodpecker once, when he was discussing welding gas tanks -
> you might start there.
>
> BTW, I won't accept your finding just one over a 5 or 6 year period as being
> substantial proof of "unlike you", I don't think anyone else would either. A
> pattern is required to support your attempted slander.
>
> "Put up or shut up", but I know you won't do either, you can't. You don't
> have the facts to support the former or the balls to achieve the latter.
>
> cheers,
>
> Greg
>
>
On 7 May 2004 06:02:13 -0700, [email protected] (Mutt) wrote:
>Now, you, or perhaps Tom have morph'd it to TWSRN (I haven't searched
>fully for that version)
From: Tom Watson <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: Re: Ya know BAD, what really pisses me off is...
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:02:53 -0500
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 01:53:07 GMT, "Peter Shull" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Now this whole thing's got me wondering ... whatever became of Bennett
>(BLeeds) Leeds? Anyone know?
>
He used to have the designation of, "He who must not be named".
There's a new no-name in town.
"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I trust everyone else will join me in determining whether they too,
> have used the quoted "fuck" word and get through this by a ritual
> cleansing.
>
> So, have you said "fuck"?
Fuck yes.
And if you count all the times I've called BAD an asshole, I'd be
promoted to coxswain on the Turd Barge. Of course, the number of my
transgressions in the BAD-asshole department are dwarfed by the number of
times he's actually BEEN an asshole.
When I say "BEEN an asshole," it's only a manner of speaking. Unlike
mutual funds, past performance is an absolute indicator of what to expect
in the future. Give it five minutes.
On Thu, 06 May 2004 14:45:34 GMT, "Chris Melanson"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I am not fully sure if this is where the word FUCK originated but at
>least it is some brain food for some.
from http://www.wordorigins.org:
Fuck
Popular etymologies agree, unfortunately incorrectly, that this is an
acronym meaning either Fornication Under Consent of the King or For
Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, the latter usually accompanying a story
about how medieval prisoners were forced to wear this word on their
clothing.
Deriving the etymology of this word is difficult, as it has been under
a taboo for most of its existence and citations are rare. The earliest
known use, according to American Heritage and Lighter, predates 1500
and is from a poem written in a mix of Latin and English and entitled
Flen flyys. The relevant line reads:
Non sunt in celi quia fuccant uuiuys of heli.
Translated:
They [the monks] are not in heaven because they fuck the wives of
Ely [a town near Cambridge].
Fuccant is a pseudo-Latin word and in the original it is written in
cipher to further disguise it.
Some sources cite an alleged use from 1278 as a personal name, John le
Fucker, but this citation is questionable. No one has properly
identified the document this name supposedly appears in and even if it
is real, the name is likely a variant of fuker, a maker of cloth,
fulcher, a soldier, or another similar word.
The earliest usage cite in the OED2 dates from 1503 and is in the form
fukkit. The earliest cite of the current spelling is from 1535.
The word was not in common (published) use prior to the 1960s.
Shakespeare did not use it, although he did hint at it for comic
effect. In Merry Wives of Windsor (IV.i) he gives us the pun "focative
case." In Henry V (IV.iv), the character Pistol threatens to "firk" a
French soldier, a word meaning to strike, but commonly used as an
Elizabethan euphemism for fuck. In the same play (III.iv), Princess
Katherine confuses the English words foot and gown for the French
foutre and coun (fuck and cunt, respectively) with comic results.
Other poets did use the word, although it was far from common. Robert
Burns, for example, used it in an unpublished manuscript.
The taboo was so strong that for 170 years, from 1795 to 1965, fuck
did not appear in a single dictionary of the English language. In
1948, the publishers of The Naked and the Dead persuaded Norman Mailer
to use the euphemism "fug" instead, resulting in Dorothy Parker's
comment upon meeting Mailer: "So you're the man who can't spell fuck."
The root is undoubtedly Germanic, as it has cognates in other Northern
European languages: Middle Dutch fokken meaning to thrust, to copulate
with; dialectical Norwegian fukka meaning to copulate; and dialectical
Swedish focka meaning to strike, push, copulate, and fock meaning
penis. Both French and Italian have similar words, foutre and fottere
respectively. These derive from the Latin futuere.
While these cognates exist, they are probably not the source of fuck,
rather all these words probably come from a common root. Most of the
early known usages of the English word come from Scotland, leading
some scholars to believe that the word comes from Scandinavian
sources. Others disagree, believing that the number of northern
citations reflects that the taboo was weaker in Scotland and the
north, resulting in more surviving usages. The fact that there are
citations, albeit fewer of them, from southern England dating from the
same period seems to bear out this latter theory.
There is also an elaborate explanation that has been circulating on
the internet for some years regarding English archers, the Battle of
Agincourt, and the phrase Pluck Yew! This explanation is a modern
jest--a play on words. However, there may be a bit of truth to it. The
British (it is virtually unknown in America) gesture of displaying the
index and middle fingers with the back of the hand outwards (a reverse
peace sign)--meaning the same as displaying the middle finger
alone--may derive from the French practice of cutting the fingers off
captured English archers. Archers would taunt the French on the
battlefield with this gesture, showing they were intact and still
dangerous. The pluck yew part is fancifully absurd. This is not the
origin of the middle finger gesture, which is truly ancient, being
referred to in classical Greek and Roman texts.
For more information on fuck and its usages, see The F Word, by Jesse
Sheidlower, Random House, 1999, ISBN 0-375-70634-8. This is perhaps
the most comprehensive treatment of the word available.
Bob wrote:
> Yo Greg,
>
> If you'll do a search on my name, you'll find there are plenty of, shall we
> say, strong expletives used recently. But look a little further and you'll
> find they were made in my name by that fuckin idiot two weeks back that
> thinks he's untouchable and that we've forgotten about him - not!
[snip]
And what makes everyone think that someone is not impersonating Charlie
also ?
I am not fully sure if this is where the word FUCK originated but at
least it is some brain food for some.
I was once told by an English professor that the origins of the word fuck
was as follows
Fornication Under Consent of the King
Please do not take this as truth as I am just passing a little trivia on the
subject.
I think I will try to pass that one off on the wife next time she has a
head ache. By saying Its my right and the king has giving me his blessing
LOL.
Wonder how many night I will have to sleep on the couch for that one????
CHRIS
"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> All, with the recent accusations against Charlie and others, I decided to
> check to see if I needed to "come clean" and admit to swearing too, before
> the Inquisition caught up with me and I was dragged from the moron bench
and
> cast adrift on the Turd Barge on the River Sticks (<-OBWW).
>
> I searched google under all my aliases (both of them) to make sure I have
> not said "fuck" either. Note that the word "fuck" is in quotes, and is
> quoted from the quoted section of TWSRN posts about Charlie saying "f*ck".
> Since I am quoting TWSRN's "fuck" where they have quoted Charlie's "fuck"
I
> an thrice removed and feel safe in that I am actually doing no wrong
myself.
>
> I trust everyone else will join me in determining whether they too, have
> used the quoted "fuck" word and get through this by a ritual cleansing.
>
> So, have you said "fuck"?
>
> --
> Greg
>
>
[email protected] (Joe "Woody" Woodpecker) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I think your definition is a little off. According to my research, in
> 17th or 18th century England, when a prostitute or person was arrested
> for sex or suspected of it. they were charged with F.U.C.K. or
> Fornication Under Carnal Knowledge. It was carnal knowledge or every
> knew that having sex was not permitted by the King.. And because the
> charge was too long of script to write in the area on the document of
> charges, it was abbreviated to F.U.C.K.
Growing up I had always heard that it was "For Unlawful Carnal
Knowledge", but that's not true either:
http://www.snopes.com/language/acronyms/fuck.htm
Chuck Vance
Thu, May 6, 2004, 2:45pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (Chris=A0Melanson)
claims:
<snip> Fornication Under Consent of the King <snip>
Interesting. Never heard that one. The one I'd heard was "for
using carnal knowledge". Supposedly shortened by the church (what
church, I have no idea) into the word that cannot be repeated (or it
upsets Homer). Sounds more realistic than some king giving consent.
Also sounds like a church, trying to spoil other people's fun. No
pregnancy, no foul. LMAO
JOAT
If you think dogs can't count, try putting three dog biscuits in your
pocket and then giving Fido only two of them.
- Phil Pastoret
I think your definition is a little off. According to my research, in
17th or 18th century England, when a prostitute or person was arrested
for sex or suspected of it. they were charged with F.U.C.K. or
Fornication Under Carnal Knowledge. It was carnal knowledge or every
knew that having sex was not permitted by the King.. And because the
charge was too long of script to write in the area on the document of
charges, it was abbreviated to F.U.C.K.
--
Chris=A0Melanson wrote
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0I am not fully sure if this is where the word
FUCK originated but at least it is some brain food for some.
I was once told by an English professor that the origins of the word
fuck was as follows
Fornication Under Consent of the King
Please do not take this as truth as I am just passing a little trivia on
the subject.
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0I think I will try to pass that one off on the
wife next time she has a head ache. By saying Its my right and the king
has giving me his blessing LOL.
Wonder how many night I will have to sleep on the couch for that one????
CHRIS
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On Fri, 7 May 2004 00:14:16 -0600, [email protected] (Joe "Woody"
Woodpecker) wrote:
>I was once told by an English professor that the origins of the word
>fuck was as follows
>Fornication Under Consent of the King
>Please do not take this as truth as I am just passing a little trivia on
>the subject.
>
> I think I will try to pass that one off on the
>wife next time she has a head ache. By saying Its my right and the king
>has giving me his blessing LOL.
>
>Wonder how many night I will have to sleep on the couch for that one????
>CHRIS
You've gotta admit is a rather unique word, though. It suits any mood,
reflects emotions admirably, and what other word in English is a noun, verb and
adjective all-in-one?
Tom Flyer
A bit of interesting history.
RB
http://www.plumbingworld.com/historythomas.html
Bill Everette wrote:
>>Now there's another one. "Crap" You
>>could fill in a few more pages on that topic as well, just to keep
>>your mind fertile [play on words intentional].
>>
>>Bill.
>>
>
>
> Crap. Derivative of Crapper. It is believed by some that the toilet was
> invented by Thomas Crapper, and English plumber in the early 1800's.
>
>
On Mon, 10 May 2004 17:22:28 GMT, Al <[email protected]> wrote:
>Fuck is perhaps one of the most interesting and exciting words
>in the English language.
Not really. "Assholes" comes to mind. You know, those people who
don't know squat about woodworking, and have to fill their time
enlightening us with this crap. Now there's another one. "Crap" You
could fill in a few more pages on that topic as well, just to keep
your mind fertile [play on words intentional].
Bill.
Bill Rogers <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Mon, 10 May 2004 17:22:28 GMT, Al <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Fuck is perhaps one of the most interesting and exciting words
> >in the English language.
>
> Not really. "Assholes" comes to mind. You know, those people who
> don't know squat about woodworking, and have to fill their time
> enlightening us with this crap. Now there's another one. "Crap" You
> could fill in a few more pages on that topic as well, just to keep
> your mind fertile [play on words intentional].
>
> Bill.
The post was marked as OT. I found it interesting.
In article <[email protected]>, flyer!
@flyer77.microserve.com says...
> On Fri, 7 May 2004 00:14:16 -0600, [email protected] (Joe "Woody"
> Woodpecker) wrote:
> >I was once told by an English professor that the origins of the word
> >fuck was as follows=20
> >Fornication Under Consent of the King=20
> >Please do not take this as truth as I am just passing a little trivia on
> >the subject.=20
> >
> >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0I think I will try to pass that one off on the
> >wife next time she has a head ache. By saying Its my right and the king
> >has giving me his blessing LOL.=20
> >
> >Wonder how many night I will have to sleep on the couch for that one????=
=20
> >CHRIS
>=20
> You've gotta admit is a rather unique word, though. It suits any mood,
> reflects emotions admirably, and what other word in English is a noun, ve=
rb and
> adjective all-in-one?
>=20
> Tom Flyer
>=20
Costanza?
--=20
Regards,
Rick
(Remove the HIGH SPOTS for e-mail)
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Here is a nice disertation on the word written by a CSLB coed.
Thanks.
Had this years ago and lost it. Back in my archive.
--
Phil Hansen
Skil-Phil Solutions
"K.-Benoit Evans" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > Although great writers like D. H. Lawrence, James Joyce and Henry
>> > Miller tried to restore "fuck" to its rightful place in print, it
>> > wasn't until 1960 that Grove Press won a U.S. court case that
>> > allowed publishers to legally print "fuck" for the first time in
>> > centuries.
>>
>> The court decision which allowed the prohibition of "obscene"
>> material was issued in 1868. The Grove Press case was decided in
>> 1960. The interval between was 92 years. The last time I checked 92
>> years was not "centuries", but with the New Math and all that might
>> have changed.
>
> Many jurisdictions in the U.S. (and other English-speaking countries)
> had and enforced obscenity laws against printed works for a long time
> before the 1868 case to which you refer. Some jurisdictions relied on
> common law jurisprudential grounds for prosecuting writers and
> publishers in the absence of specific statutes.
>
> It was only in 1868 that the court issued a ruling--in this case to
> let stand the an obscenity law that had been contested. For at least
> 200 years, writers and especially publishers could not, with impunity,
> print the word "fuck" and some other common vulgarities because of the
> risk of prosecution in many jurisdictions.
>
> In 1857, in Great Britain, the Lord Campbell Act was adopted and
> completely replaced common law in the area of obscence publications.
> That law was tested in Regina v. Hicklin in 1868, in a case involving
> Henry Scott, who had written a lewd anti-Roman Catholic pamphlet.
> Scott appealed to Benjamin Hicklin, a recorder in London, and Hicklin
> ruled in Scott's favor. That ruling, however, was later overturned by
> Alexander Cockburn, BritainÕs chief justice.
>
> The so-called "Hicklin rule" allowed an entire work to be banned or
> its publisher punished on the basis of isolated words or of passages
> taken out of context. The Hicklin rule was often cited in U.S. cases
> in the late 1800s and during the early 1900s.
>
> The Hicklin rule was abandoned in the U.S. in 1933 in the decision in
> Ulysses vs. U.S., in which the book was not found to be obscene when
> taken as a whole, in spite of "vulgar" passages.
>
>>
>> > The book in
>> > question was D. H. Lawrence's _Lady Chatterly's Lover_, which had
>> > been written 32 years earlier.
>>
>> FWIW, the current Oxford contains both "fuck" and "cunt". They were
>> never "banned" from the Oxford, just not included until 1965.
>
> No, they were indeed banned. I say that because those words and a
> number of others met all the usual lexicographical criteria for
> inclusion in a general "unabridged" dictionary of the English
> language.
>
> For a variety of reason, including prudishness and fear of
> prosecution, dictionary publishers on both sides of the Atlantic did
> not give such words their rightful place in general dictionaries until
> the mid-sixties.
>
cool
Here is a nice disertation on the word written by a CSLB coed.
Fuck is perhaps one of the most interesting and exciting words
in the English language. Fuck is the one magical word which just
by its sound can describe pleasure, pain, hate, and love.
Fuck comes from the German word' "frikon".
In language, "fuck" falls into many grammatical categories.
Fuck can be used as a verb both transitive (he fucked her) and
intransitive
(she was fucked by him).
It can be an active verb (he really gives a fuck),
a passive verb (she really doesn't give a fuck),
an adverb (she is fucking interested in him) and
a noun (she is a fine fuck).
Fuck can be used as an adjective (she is fucking beautiful).
As you can see there is a whole lot of real versatility with "fuck".
It pops up everywhere.
Besides its sexual connotation, this lovely word can be used to describe
many situations:
GREETING - How the fuck are you?
FRAUD - I got fucked by that crook;
DISMAY - Oh, fuck it!;
TROUBLE - I'm fucked now!;
CONFUSION - What the fuck?!;
AGGRESSION - "Fuck you!";
DISGUST - "Fuck me"
DESPAIR - Fucked again!;
PHILOSOPHY - "Who gives a fuck?"
INCOMPETENCE - "He's a real fuck-off";
DISPLEASURE - "What the fuck is going on here?"
NUMEROLOGY - "Sixty-fuckin'-nine";
LOST - "Where the fuck are we?"
DISBELIEF - "Unfuckingbelievable
RETALIATION - Up your fucking ass!"
REBELLION - Fuck it!;
DISPLEASURE - What the fuck's going on?;
SATISFACTION - fuck me again!
Also as:
DESCRIPTIVE ANATOMY - "He's a fuckin' asshole!"
TO TELL TIME - "It's six-fucking-thirty."
AS A PREDICTION - "Well, I'll be fucked!"
A POLITICAL STATEMENT - "Fuck Washington"
INCESTUOUS - "Motherfucker"
A PUT DOWN - "Fuck off, buster!"
ALL ENCOMPASSING - "Fuck 'em all!"
GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS - "Fuck the IRS"
A POKER HAND - "A royal fuck"
TO START A RELATIONSHIP - "Let's fuck now!"
AS AN ACCEPTANCE - "Fuckin' eh!"
ENJOYMENT - "Fuckin' Wow!" "
A CLOSING - "Fuckingly yours".
Maternal - "Motherfucker"
POLITICAL - Fuck Clinton
And never forget General Custer's last words: "Where did all them fucking
Indians come from? Also, the famous last words of the mayor of Hiroshima:
"What the fuck was that?" And last but nor least, the immortal words of
the captain of the Titanic, who said "Where is all this fucking water
coming from?
Shit?
Kevin
--
=====
Where are those Iraqi WMDs, NOW?
"--={Flyer}=--" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You've gotta admit is a rather unique word, though. It suits any mood,
> reflects emotions admirably, and what other word in English is a noun,
verb and
> adjective all-in-one?
>
> Tom Flyer
K.-Benoit Evans wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (J T) wrote:
>
>> Interesting. Never heard that one. The one I'd heard was "for
>> using carnal knowledge". Supposedly shortened by the church (what
>> church, I have no idea) into the word that cannot be repeated (or it
>> upsets Homer). Sounds more realistic than some king giving consent.
>> Also sounds like a church, trying to spoil other people's fun. No
>> pregnancy, no foul. LMAO
>
> Just in case it hasn't been said enough already, here is the REAL origi
> of the word "fuck".
>
> It was first recorded onm 1503 and appears for the first time in an
> English dictionary (John Florio's _A World of Words_) in 1598. The word
> does NOT come from the police blotter entry "booked For Unlawful Carnal
> Knowledge", shortened to F.U.C.K.
>
> It is generally agreed that the word comes from the Old German
> "ficken/fucken". A great many words came into English from Old German.
> The Old German word meant to strike, poke, penetrate and was used as a
> slang word for copulate.
>
> Before that time, the usual English slang word was "swyve", which has
> now disappeared. "Swyve" is the word of choice put in the mouth of the
> pilgims by Chaucer in _The Canterbury Tales_. For example in the
> manciple's tale, we read about a man whose wife had been unfaithful:
> "For on thy bed thy wif I saught him swyve."
>
> If Chaucer were writing today, we would probably read: "For I saw him
> fuck her on your own bed."
>
> "Fuck", while a slang term, was in common spoken and written use for at
> least 200 years, until around the 18th century, when it began to
> diasppear from print because of a "veil of decency" that began to
> deguise human experience and that reached its height during the
> Victorian period in the 19th century. The "coarsening" of modern
> language, especially as seen on TV and in the movies in the last few
> years is in fact a return to the more honest and explicit speech of our
> ancestors.
>
> "Fuck" appeared for the last time in an English dictionary in Francis
> Grose's _Dictionary of the Vuglar [i.e. common] Tongue_, in 1785, where
> it was spelled "f**k".
>
> Later, the Oxford Engish Dictionary (the unabridged standard) banned it,
> along with "cunt" (from the Latin "cunnus" meaning wedge-shaped, as in
> the term "cuneiform writing").
>
> Although great writers like D. H. Lawrence, James Joyce and Henry Miller
> tried to restore "fuck" to its rightful place in print, it wasn't until
> 1960 that Grove Press won a U.S. court case that allowed publishers to
> legally print "fuck" for the first time in centuries.
The court decision which allowed the prohibition of "obscene" material was
issued in 1868. The Grove Press case was decided in 1960. The interval
between was 92 years. The last time I checked 92 years was not
"centuries", but with the New Math and all that might have changed.
> The book in
> question was D. H. Lawrence's _Lady Chatterly's Lover_, which had been
> written 32 years earlier.
FWIW, the current Oxford contains both "fuck" and "cunt". They were never
"banned" from the Oxford, just not included until 1965.
>
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
RB wrote:
> A bit of interesting history.
FWIW, one time Road and Track magazine had on their humor page a photo of a
rather large lorry on which was painted "Thomas Crapper Limited, Merchants
of Sanitary Equipment". This was before the contribution of Thomas Crapper
to the development of modern sanitation was widely recognized. My Dad had
a British boat in which the head contained a real Crapper.
> RB
>
> http://www.plumbingworld.com/historythomas.html
>
> Bill Everette wrote:
>>>Now there's another one. "Crap" You
>>>could fill in a few more pages on that topic as well, just to keep
>>>your mind fertile [play on words intentional].
>>>
>>>Bill.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Crap. Derivative of Crapper. It is believed by some that the toilet was
>> invented by Thomas Crapper, and English plumber in the early 1800's.
>>
>>
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>Now there's another one. "Crap" You
> could fill in a few more pages on that topic as well, just to keep
> your mind fertile [play on words intentional].
>
> Bill.
>
Crap. Derivative of Crapper. It is believed by some that the toilet was
invented by Thomas Crapper, and English plumber in the early 1800's.
In article <[email protected]>,
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Although great writers like D. H. Lawrence, James Joyce and Henry Miller
> > tried to restore "fuck" to its rightful place in print, it wasn't until
> > 1960 that Grove Press won a U.S. court case that allowed publishers to
> > legally print "fuck" for the first time in centuries.
>
> The court decision which allowed the prohibition of "obscene" material was
> issued in 1868. The Grove Press case was decided in 1960. The interval
> between was 92 years. The last time I checked 92 years was not
> "centuries", but with the New Math and all that might have changed.
Many jurisdictions in the U.S. (and other English-speaking countries)
had and enforced obscenity laws against printed works for a long time
before the 1868 case to which you refer. Some jurisdictions relied on
common law jurisprudential grounds for prosecuting writers and
publishers in the absence of specific statutes.
It was only in 1868 that the court issued a ruling--in this case to let
stand the an obscenity law that had been contested. For at least 200
years, writers and especially publishers could not, with impunity, print
the word "fuck" and some other common vulgarities because of the risk of
prosecution in many jurisdictions.
In 1857, in Great Britain, the Lord Campbell Act was adopted and
completely replaced common law in the area of obscence publications.
That law was tested in Regina v. Hicklin in 1868, in a case involving
Henry Scott, who had written a lewd anti-Roman Catholic pamphlet. Scott
appealed to Benjamin Hicklin, a recorder in London, and Hicklin ruled in
Scott's favor. That ruling, however, was later overturned by Alexander
Cockburn, BritainÕs chief justice.
The so-called "Hicklin rule" allowed an entire work to be banned or its
publisher punished on the basis of isolated words or of passages taken
out of context. The Hicklin rule was often cited in U.S. cases in the
late 1800s and during the early 1900s.
The Hicklin rule was abandoned in the U.S. in 1933 in the decision in
Ulysses vs. U.S., in which the book was not found to be obscene when
taken as a whole, in spite of "vulgar" passages.
>
> > The book in
> > question was D. H. Lawrence's _Lady Chatterly's Lover_, which had been
> > written 32 years earlier.
>
> FWIW, the current Oxford contains both "fuck" and "cunt". They were never
> "banned" from the Oxford, just not included until 1965.
No, they were indeed banned. I say that because those words and a number
of others met all the usual lexicographical criteria for inclusion in a
general "unabridged" dictionary of the English language.
For a variety of reason, including prudishness and fear of prosecution,
dictionary publishers on both sides of the Atlantic did not give such
words their rightful place in general dictionaries until the mid-sixties.
--
Regards,
Benoit Evans
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (J T) wrote:
> Interesting. Never heard that one. The one I'd heard was "for
> using carnal knowledge". Supposedly shortened by the church (what
> church, I have no idea) into the word that cannot be repeated (or it
> upsets Homer). Sounds more realistic than some king giving consent.
> Also sounds like a church, trying to spoil other people's fun. No
> pregnancy, no foul. LMAO
Just in case it hasn't been said enough already, here is the REAL origi
of the word "fuck".
It was first recorded onm 1503 and appears for the first time in an
English dictionary (John Florio's _A World of Words_) in 1598. The word
does NOT come from the police blotter entry "booked For Unlawful Carnal
Knowledge", shortened to F.U.C.K.
It is generally agreed that the word comes from the Old German
"ficken/fucken". A great many words came into English from Old German.
The Old German word meant to strike, poke, penetrate and was used as a
slang word for copulate.
Before that time, the usual English slang word was "swyve", which has
now disappeared. "Swyve" is the word of choice put in the mouth of the
pilgims by Chaucer in _The Canterbury Tales_. For example in the
manciple's tale, we read about a man whose wife had been unfaithful:
"For on thy bed thy wif I saught him swyve."
If Chaucer were writing today, we would probably read: "For I saw him
fuck her on your own bed."
"Fuck", while a slang term, was in common spoken and written use for at
least 200 years, until around the 18th century, when it began to
diasppear from print because of a "veil of decency" that began to
deguise human experience and that reached its height during the
Victorian period in the 19th century. The "coarsening" of modern
language, especially as seen on TV and in the movies in the last few
years is in fact a return to the more honest and explicit speech of our
ancestors.
"Fuck" appeared for the last time in an English dictionary in Francis
Grose's _Dictionary of the Vuglar [i.e. common] Tongue_, in 1785, where
it was spelled "f**k".
Later, the Oxford Engish Dictionary (the unabridged standard) banned it,
along with "cunt" (from the Latin "cunnus" meaning wedge-shaped, as in
the term "cuneiform writing").
Although great writers like D. H. Lawrence, James Joyce and Henry Miller
tried to restore "fuck" to its rightful place in print, it wasn't until
1960 that Grove Press won a U.S. court case that allowed publishers to
legally print "fuck" for the first time in centuries. The book in
question was D. H. Lawrence's _Lady Chatterly's Lover_, which had been
written 32 years earlier.
--
Regards,
Benoit Evans
Certified Translator (OTTIAQ, CTIC)
"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
> So, have you said "fuck"?
>
What kind of "fuck"ing question is that? Of course not and I am deeply
offended when ever I read Charlie Selfs "fuck"ing posts. Someone should do
something about that "fuck"ing guy.
Frank
On Sat, 08 May 2004 14:38:16 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I don't do raunchy posts, John... perhaps you were reading
>my impostor? I try to limit my language to nothing more
>"raunchy" than "moron, idiot, miscreant, etc". A few times
>I've used asterisks to modify curse words. If you want to
>bother, please quote anything I've written (check the header
>to be sure it's really me) that uses foul language. If I've
>done so, then my memory is failing faster than I thought!
From: Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: Charlie Self, the major woodworking magazine contributor
shows off
his literary style once again.
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"
Gene Palmiter blubbers:
>>
>>As a vet myself it takes only a question or two to spot a
poser...I would
>>have to suspect that a "Marine" who hasn't heard of the
Chosen Res. hasn't
>>heard of the Shores of Tripoli either.
>>
Fuck you, doggie. You can't even spell it.
Your post; no quotes, no asterisks. Sure, you can claim they weren't
YOUR words, but it doesn't matter. It was contained in your post.
Looks just like you wrote it, whether you did or didn't It's either
offensive or it isn't. It doesn't matter who actually "said" it.
- -
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
LRod responds:
>Gene Palmiter blubbers:
>
>
> >>
> >>As a vet myself it takes only a question or two to spot a
>poser...I would
> >>have to suspect that a "Marine" who hasn't heard of the
>Chosen Res. hasn't
> >>heard of the Shores of Tripoli either.
> >>
>
>
>Fuck you, doggie. You can't even spell it.
>
>
>Your post; no quotes, no asterisks. Sure, you can claim they weren't
>YOUR words, but it doesn't matter. It was contained in your post.
>Looks just like you wrote it, whether you did or didn't It's either
>offensive or it isn't. It doesn't matter who actually "said" it.
Ah well. As a note to add to the above, when I was in the Marines, it wasn't
that long after the Korean "Police Action" and no one called the Chosin vets
"The Chosin Few". I think I first heard that name about 3-4 years ago, and
promptly forgot it.
Back then, they were just the guys who were our bosses, guys who walked a long,
long way, most of it under fire, in exceptionally bitter weather with the
Marine Corps' usual support from other services.
The only good part: You could shoot the enemy in any direction.
Charlie Self
"Don't let yesterday use up too much of today." Will Rogers
On 08 May 2004 22:33:10 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:
>Ah well. As a note to add to the above, when I was in the Marines, it wasn't
>that long after the Korean "Police Action" and no one called the Chosin vets
>"The Chosin Few". I think I first heard that name about 3-4 years ago, and
>promptly forgot it.
>
>Back then, they were just the guys who were our bosses, guys who walked a long,
>long way, most of it under fire, in exceptionally bitter weather with the
>Marine Corps' usual support from other services.
>
>The only good part: You could shoot the enemy in any direction.
You don't have to prove anything to me, Charlie. I wasn't in the
military, but I spent 30 years in government service around a LOT of
people who were and I have a pretty good sense of posers, too.
Sometimes I wish I had been in, then I think about the Wall and the
time that I probably would have been in ('65-'72, somewhere in that
range) and I count my lucky stars.
Thanks to all of you.
- -
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
Do they still say, "Good night, Chesty", as once they did, when
American boys knew who someone was, named Gen. Lewis B. Puller, or
maybe, Smedley Darlington Butler, or even maybe they knew the name of
a noncom worthy like Gunny Carlos Hathcock.
Does anyone of these assholes even remember where the Shores of
Tripoli are, or the reference, "Millions for defense, but not one red
cent for tribute."
Globe and Anchor.
Semper Fi.
Regards,
Tom.
Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
On Thu, 06 May 2004 11:18:58 GMT, "Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>All, with the recent accusations against Charlie and others, I decided to
>check to see if I needed to "come clean" and admit to swearing too, before
>the Inquisition caught up with me and I was dragged from the moron bench and
>cast adrift on the Turd Barge on the River Sticks (<-OBWW).
>
>I searched google under all my aliases (both of them) to make sure I have
>not said "fuck" either. Note that the word "fuck" is in quotes, and is
>quoted from the quoted section of TWSRN posts about Charlie saying "f*ck".
>Since I am quoting TWSRN's "fuck" where they have quoted Charlie's "fuck" I
>an thrice removed and feel safe in that I am actually doing no wrong myself.
>
>I trust everyone else will join me in determining whether they too, have
>used the quoted "fuck" word and get through this by a ritual cleansing.
>
>So, have you said "fuck"?
Four years in the Marine Corps. Does that answer your question?
Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS USA
Tom Veatch notes:
>Four years in the Marine Corps. Does that answer your question?
Funny thing about that government training. I had the same result, but Mom
still laid a hand upside my head when I used the word to ask for the salt my
first day home after Parris Island and ITR. Of course, that may have been
because she was an RN and knew that use was inaccurate.
Charlie Self
"Don't let yesterday use up too much of today." Will Rogers
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tom Veatch notes:
>
> >Four years in the Marine Corps. Does that answer your question?
>
> Funny thing about that government training. I had the same result, but Mom
> still laid a hand upside my head when I used the word to ask for the salt
my
> first day home after Parris Island and ITR. Of course, that may have been
> because she was an RN and knew that use was inaccurate.
Dredges up memory of the girls gym teacher when I was in high school. Her
name was Ms. Fucks, pronounced fewchs.
--
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I don't do raunchy posts, John... perhaps you were reading
my impostor? I try to limit my language to nothing more
"raunchy" than "moron, idiot, miscreant, etc". A few times
I've used asterisks to modify curse words. If you want to
bother, please quote anything I've written (check the header
to be sure it's really me) that uses foul language. If I've
done so, then my memory is failing faster than I thought!
Thanks.
dave
John wrote:
> Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<RErmc.5717$N%[email protected]>...
>
>>you just did...
>>
>>Greg Millen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>So, have you said
>>>
>
>
> You are all screaming at Dave (BAD) & Charlie Self comes out with the
> profanity. I have seen some really raunchy posts by Dave too, but
> don't believe he actually posted them. I have learned a lot from both
> of them. Sure seems there is an "inside crowd" here that tries to run
> the show. I personally couldn't care less who curses or whatever, I am
> here for information. Dave & Charlie - I am not taking sides, just an
> observer, let's get back to woodworking! I haven't seen this much
> comotion since that guy asked about a five sided planter! Please give
> it a rest, maybe we could talk about my CRAFTSMAN tablesaw or my
> CRAFTSMAN router.
>
> Just my 2 cents
>
> Big John
>>
>> "Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > All, with the recent accusations against Charlie and others, I decided
>to
>> > check to see if I needed to "come clean" and admit to swearing too,
>before
>> > the Inquisition caught up with me and I was dragged from the moron bench
>> and
>> > cast adrift on the Turd Barge on the River Sticks (<-OBWW).
>> >
>> > I searched google under all my aliases (both of them) to make sure I
>have
>> > not said "fuck" either. Note that the word "fuck" is in quotes, and is
>> > quoted from the quoted section of TWSRN posts about Charlie saying
>"f*ck".
>> > Since I am quoting TWSRN's "fuck" where they have quoted Charlie's
>"fuck"
>> I
>> > an thrice removed and feel safe in that I am actually doing no wrong
>> myself.
>> >
>> > I trust everyone else will join me in determining whether they too, have
>> > used the quoted "fuck" word and get through this by a ritual cleansing.
>> >
>> > So, have you said "fuck"?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Greg
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
ummm...
fuck you, Greg!
<G>
I heard somewhere along the line it derived from "File Under Carnal
Knowledge". Not sure what that means though!
Jim
"Chris Melanson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:icsmc.4873$uN4.3092@clgrps12...
> I am not fully sure if this is where the word FUCK originated but at
> least it is some brain food for some.
> I was once told by an English professor that the origins of the word fuck
> was as follows
> Fornication Under Consent of the King
> Please do not take this as truth as I am just passing a little trivia on
the
> subject.
> I think I will try to pass that one off on the wife next time she has
a
> head ache. By saying Its my right and the king has giving me his blessing
> LOL.
> Wonder how many night I will have to sleep on the couch for that one????
>
> CHRIS
>
>
> "Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > All, with the recent accusations against Charlie and others, I decided
to
> > check to see if I needed to "come clean" and admit to swearing too,
before
> > the Inquisition caught up with me and I was dragged from the moron bench
> and
> > cast adrift on the Turd Barge on the River Sticks (<-OBWW).
> >
> > I searched google under all my aliases (both of them) to make sure I
have
> > not said "fuck" either. Note that the word "fuck" is in quotes, and is
> > quoted from the quoted section of TWSRN posts about Charlie saying
"f*ck".
> > Since I am quoting TWSRN's "fuck" where they have quoted Charlie's
"fuck"
> I
> > an thrice removed and feel safe in that I am actually doing no wrong
> myself.
> >
> > I trust everyone else will join me in determining whether they too, have
> > used the quoted "fuck" word and get through this by a ritual cleansing.
> >
> > So, have you said "fuck"?
> >
> > --
> > Greg
> >
> >
>
>
"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I trust everyone else will join me in determining whether they too, have
> used the quoted "fuck" word and get through this by a ritual cleansing.
>
> So, have you said "fuck"?
No fucking way.
As an aside, every time I see the word, I think of a clothing store here in
Toronto. It's called fcuk. Obviously they're trying to attract attention
with the misspelling, but all I can think of whenever I pass the store, is
how ridiculous the name is and laugh at them, not with them.