Just found this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmyytuR-iVE&list=PL4BBE19DE1F5E90C1&index=3&feature=plpp_video
This guy apparently has a series of them. Maybe it's just novice
squeamishness, but I found myself cringing at least ten times during
the program. How does this guy still have fingers?
Greg Guarino
On Apr 1, 12:12=A0pm, Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
> Just found this video:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DRmyytuR-iVE&list=3DPL4BBE19DE1F5E90C1&in=
...
>
> This guy apparently has a series of them. Maybe it's just novice
> squeamishness, but I found myself cringing at least ten times during
> the program. How does this guy still have fingers?
>
> Greg Guarino
Not as bad as I have seen some experts do on TV. Years ago HGTV aired
a program called "Modern Masters" Originally it featured true
craftsmen who did specialized work, and many were woodworkers. One
program featured famous furniture designer and chair builder Sam
Maloof. I don't think anyone here will dispute his qualifications as
a master furniture builder.
BUT .... they did show his procedure for rounding the long pieces of
Walnut used for chair back frames and rockers. He grabbed a 4-5 foot
long piece of pre-cut Walnut in one hand and the router in the other.
Holding the workpiece out in front of him he quickly ran the router up
and down all edges. Besides being an impressive show of strength, it
scared the bejeebers out of me. The narrator commented on the
apparent safety of the process and he smiled and said he went through
his share of band-aids.
RonB
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> On 4/3/2012 9:13 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> > "Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> ...
>
> >> This guy apparently has a series of them. Maybe it's just novice
> >> squeamishness, but I found myself cringing at least ten times during
> >> the program. How does this guy still have fingers?
> ...
> > I'd use a starter pin for this to help guide the wood into the bit...
> ...
>
> +1
>
> My thought exactly--that's what he's missing.
>
> Freehand shaping w/ guide is routine operation; I didn't see anything
> there particularly troublesome except the problem he has in starting the
> cut at the end of the piece because w/o the starting pin he's got to try
> to find the end at the bearing midpoint instead of having the support to
> place the workpiece against and rotate into position.
>
> Years ago the Delta shapers came w/ a good handbook that
> illustrated/discussed the process thoroughly; I haven't found a pdf in a
> quick search to link to, unfortunately.
>
> One thing this guy does I don't is that I generally don't even try to
> get that last fraction of an inch w/ a full profile, anyway,
> though--simply trim to length after shaping.
In this case it's a straight cut and he's got a fence--I'd use the fence
to start the cut--set it so that the board barely touches the bearing.
The thing that I see worrisome is that (a) he gets his fingers awful
close to the bit and (b) making his dado with the straight bit he seems
to hold his hand right above the bit. One of these days he's going to
be using an upcut spiral and he's going to get a really unpleasant
surprise.
On 4/3/2012 9:13 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
> "Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Just found this video:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmyytuR-iVE&list=PL4BBE19DE1F5E90C1&index=3&feature=plpp_video
>>
>>
>> This guy apparently has a series of them. Maybe it's just novice
>> squeamishness, but I found myself cringing at least ten times during
>> the program. How does this guy still have fingers?
>>
>> Greg Guarino
>
> I'd use a starter pin for this to help guide the wood into the bit... In
> fact I used a round over bit with a starter pin last week and showed my
> wife how to use it for her entry at Woodworker's Showcase in Saratoga
> Springs, NY. She took third place in the Beginner category and still has
> all of her fingers... guess the technique works!
>
> John
Maybe so. But I like my custom bull-nose fence better.
I had a router bit rise up through the surface of the wood, once! I
didn't tighten the clamping knob on the router tight enough and the
whole thing vibrated UP in the middle of the cutting pass. That was
lesson enough for me!
-----------
"Greg Guarino" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
The proximity of his fingers to the bit is what I was referring to. I
read something once, perhaps here, to the effect that you should ask
yourself what happens if something slips: "I don't know" is not an
acceptable answer.
If nothing unexpected happens, then any distance between fingers and
tool is acceptable - they touch or they don't. But this guy was
exerting
pressure with his fingers toward the spinning bit, with only a half
inch
of wood between them. What happens if the wood rides up and slips off
the roller guide? Or, well, anything else that's unexpected? The video
edits cut out the end of each pass, but it didn't look like he was
about
to grab a push stick either.
I'm a novice woodworker, but a fairly accomplished piano player. Even
leaving the piano aside, I like my fingers the length that nature
provided.
Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote in news:f7d2b75c-c680-4244-9c6b-
[email protected]:
> Just found this video:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmyytuR-iVE&list=PL4BBE19DE1F5E90C1&index=3
&feature=plpp_video
>
> This guy apparently has a series of them. Maybe it's just novice
> squeamishness, but I found myself cringing at least ten times during
> the program. How does this guy still have fingers?
He's apparently never heard of pushblocks. I hope he doesn't wind up learning about them
the hard way....
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in news:MPG.29e6263d3506e69298a593
@hamster.jcbsbsdomain.local:
> The thing that I see worrisome is that (a) he gets his fingers awful
> close to the bit and (b) making his dado with the straight bit he seems
> to hold his hand right above the bit. One of these days he's going to
> be using an upcut spiral and he's going to get a really unpleasant
> surprise.
Followed by a lawsuit against the manufacturers of the router and the bit, and then a ruling from
the Consumer Product Safety Commission mandating the use of RouterStop technology on all
new routers... <g, d, & r>
RonB <[email protected]> wrote in news:89c46204-6fba-470f-ba95-
[email protected]:
> On Apr 1, 12:12 pm, Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Just found this video:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmyytuR-iVE&list=PL4BBE19DE1F5E90C1&in
> ...
>>
>> This guy apparently has a series of them. Maybe it's just novice
>> squeamishness, but I found myself cringing at least ten times during
>> the program. How does this guy still have fingers?
>>
>> Greg Guarino
>
> Not as bad as I have seen some experts do on TV. Years ago HGTV aired
> a program called "Modern Masters" Originally it featured true
> craftsmen who did specialized work, and many were woodworkers. One
> program featured famous furniture designer and chair builder Sam
> Maloof. I don't think anyone here will dispute his qualifications as
> a master furniture builder.
>
> BUT .... they did show his procedure for rounding the long pieces of
> Walnut used for chair back frames and rockers. He grabbed a 4-5 foot
> long piece of pre-cut Walnut in one hand and the router in the other.
> Holding the workpiece out in front of him he quickly ran the router up
> and down all edges. Besides being an impressive show of strength, it
> scared the bejeebers out of me. The narrator commented on the
> apparent safety of the process and he smiled and said he went through
> his share of band-aids.
Apparently the man never heard of a router table. And if you've ever seen close-up photos
of Maloof's hands, it's clear that some of his injuries required much more treatment than just
a band-aid. Seeing him with a router is proof that a person can be both a genius and a fool.
On 4/1/2012 12:12 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> Just found this video:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmyytuR-iVE&list=PL4BBE19DE1F5E90C1&index=3&feature=plpp_video
>
> This guy apparently has a series of them. Maybe it's just novice
> squeamishness, but I found myself cringing at least ten times during
> the program. How does this guy still have fingers?
If you're worried about your fingers being too close to a router bit, a
valid concern, here is simple, and another of many, solutions that make
using a bearing router bit on a router table safer:
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJigsFixturesMethods#5684918957758552450
Should be self explanatory, spacers and all ... (two photos in a row)
--
www.eWoodShop.com
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
On 4/1/2012 1:12 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> Just found this video:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmyytuR-iVE&list=PL4BBE19DE1F5E90C1&index=3&feature=plpp_video
>
> This guy apparently has a series of them. Maybe it's just novice
> squeamishness, but I found myself cringing at least ten times during
> the program. How does this guy still have fingers?
>
> Greg Guarino
The only serious thing that I saw was the fact that he does not use a
fence when he cuts the profiles. While the bearing keeps the bit in
the same orientation to the piece, and if careful should not be a
problem, for me the fence makes it safer.
If I were doing it I would set the fence so the bearing on the bit is
just proud of the fence with a cut out in the fence to accommodate the
bit. I would then use a feather board to hold the piece against the
fence while it was being pushed through the bit.
On 4/1/2012 10:12 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> Just found this video:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmyytuR-iVE&list=PL4BBE19DE1F5E90C1&index=3&feature=plpp_video
>
> This guy apparently has a series of them. Maybe it's just novice
> squeamishness, but I found myself cringing at least ten times during
> the program. How does this guy still have fingers?
>
> Greg Guarino
Let's consider what the requirements are to post on that site so that
millions can see what a idiot you might or might not be.
I think most of the posting are to prove you can post.
On 4/3/2012 9:13 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
...
>> This guy apparently has a series of them. Maybe it's just novice
>> squeamishness, but I found myself cringing at least ten times during
>> the program. How does this guy still have fingers?
...
> I'd use a starter pin for this to help guide the wood into the bit...
...
+1
My thought exactly--that's what he's missing.
Freehand shaping w/ guide is routine operation; I didn't see anything
there particularly troublesome except the problem he has in starting the
cut at the end of the piece because w/o the starting pin he's got to try
to find the end at the bearing midpoint instead of having the support to
place the workpiece against and rotate into position.
Years ago the Delta shapers came w/ a good handbook that
illustrated/discussed the process thoroughly; I haven't found a pdf in a
quick search to link to, unfortunately.
One thing this guy does I don't is that I generally don't even try to
get that last fraction of an inch w/ a full profile, anyway,
though--simply trim to length after shaping.
--
On 4/3/2012 12:31 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 4/1/2012 12:12 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> Just found this video:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmyytuR-iVE&list=PL4BBE19DE1F5E90C1&index=3&feature=plpp_video
>>
>>
>> This guy apparently has a series of them. Maybe it's just novice
>> squeamishness, but I found myself cringing at least ten times during
>> the program. How does this guy still have fingers?
>
> If you're worried about your fingers being too close to a router bit, a
> valid concern, here is simple, and another of many, solutions that make
> using a bearing router bit on a router table safer:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJigsFixturesMethods#5684918957758552450
>
>
> Should be self explanatory, spacers and all ... (two photos in a row)
>
If you are going to take so many nice pictures, you might as well write
for a magazine and become (more) "world famous"! : )
Bill
On 4/4/2012 10:35 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> The thing that I see worrisome is that (a) he gets his fingers awful
> close to the bit and (b) making his dado with the straight bit he seems
> to hold his hand right above the bit.
The proximity of his fingers to the bit is what I was referring to. I
read something once, perhaps here, to the effect that you should ask
yourself what happens if something slips: "I don't know" is not an
acceptable answer.
If nothing unexpected happens, then any distance between fingers and
tool is acceptable - they touch or they don't. But this guy was exerting
pressure with his fingers toward the spinning bit, with only a half inch
of wood between them. What happens if the wood rides up and slips off
the roller guide? Or, well, anything else that's unexpected? The video
edits cut out the end of each pass, but it didn't look like he was about
to grab a push stick either.
I'm a novice woodworker, but a fairly accomplished piano player. Even
leaving the piano aside, I like my fingers the length that nature provided.
It could have been a lot worse. At least he wasn't using one hand to
hold the camera like so many other youtube video posters do!
--
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation
with the average voter. (Winston Churchill)
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
On 4/1/2012 12:12 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> Just found this video:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmyytuR-iVE&list=PL4BBE19DE1F5E90C1&index=3&feature=plpp_video
>
> This guy apparently has a series of them. Maybe it's just novice
> squeamishness, but I found myself cringing at least ten times during
> the program. How does this guy still have fingers?
>
> Greg Guarino
I never saw him do anything that I don't do every day. Comfort may come
from a deep and intense knowledge of the machine, the bit, the direction
of force from the bit, etc. I do not have a fence on my router table
when I am using a end bearing bit. A 1/4" round over bit set for no
reveal is normal and always present. I think this adds a strong note of
professionalism to most projects.
I see absolutely no gain to having a fence. I have tried many
configurations to try to use a vacuum to gather chips, but have never
come up with one that gets it all, so I just plan on cleaning up after
the work.
___________________________________
Keep the whole world singing . . .
Dan G
remove the seven
May the fingers be with you.
------------------
"DanG" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
I never saw him do anything that I don't do every day. Comfort may
come
from a deep and intense knowledge of the machine, the bit, the
direction
of force from the bit, etc. I do not have a fence on my router table
when I am using a end bearing bit. A 1/4" round over bit set for no
reveal is normal and always present. I think this adds a strong note
of
professionalism to most projects.
I see absolutely no gain to having a fence. I have tried many
configurations to try to use a vacuum to gather chips, but have never
come up with one that gets it all, so I just plan on cleaning up after
the work.
___________________________________
Keep the whole world singing . . .
Dan G
remove the seven
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 22:33:25 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote in news:f7d2b75c-c680-4244-9c6b-
>[email protected]:
>
>> Just found this video:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmyytuR-iVE&list=PL4BBE19DE1F5E90C1&index=3
>&feature=plpp_video
>>
>> This guy apparently has a series of them. Maybe it's just novice
>> squeamishness, but I found myself cringing at least ten times during
>> the program. How does this guy still have fingers?
>
>He's apparently never heard of pushblocks. I hope he doesn't wind up learning about them
>the hard way....
The least he could do is keep his hands away from the bit.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
"Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just found this video:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmyytuR-iVE&list=PL4BBE19DE1F5E90C1&index=3&feature=plpp_video
>
> This guy apparently has a series of them. Maybe it's just novice
> squeamishness, but I found myself cringing at least ten times during
> the program. How does this guy still have fingers?
>
> Greg Guarino
I'd use a starter pin for this to help guide the wood into the bit... In
fact I used a round over bit with a starter pin last week and showed my wife
how to use it for her entry at Woodworker's Showcase in Saratoga Springs,
NY. She took third place in the Beginner category and still has all of her
fingers... guess the technique works!
John
On 4/2/2012 6:21 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 4/1/2012 1:12 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> Just found this video:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmyytuR-iVE&list=PL4BBE19DE1F5E90C1&index=3&feature=plpp_video
>>
>>
>> This guy apparently has a series of them. Maybe it's just novice
>> squeamishness, but I found myself cringing at least ten times during
>> the program. How does this guy still have fingers?
>>
>> Greg Guarino
> The only serious thing that I saw was the fact that he does not use a
> fence when he cuts the profiles. While the bearing keeps the bit in the
> same orientation to the piece, and if careful should not be a problem,
> for me the fence makes it safer.
>
> If I were doing it I would set the fence so the bearing on the bit is
> just proud of the fence with a cut out in the fence to accommodate the
> bit. I would then use a feather board to hold the piece against the
> fence while it was being pushed through the bit.
Routing the fiddle rails for the table in my boat was a challenge -
until I figured out a workable solution.
Routing the OUTSIDE edge of a curved thing is fairly straight forward.
But what about the inside edge?
Here is the story - and my solution...
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress/table.htm
Or, the short story...
A custom router fence:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress/images/!table07.jpg