On Aug 21, 11:59 am, dayvo <[email protected]> wrote:
> I like that Delta started over and re-engineered the saw. The riving
> knife and its adjustability look great.
>
> Is that it? The other features like an integrated nut/washer on the
> arbor and a storage drawer are sad offerings.
The tilt handle on the front is pretty nice, and I can tell you from
my Ridgid that hooking up DC directly to a shroud around the blade
works very well.
> * Integrating a saw-stop style safety feature
It's interesting, either Delta doesn't think too highly of this, the
patent on it is air-tight, or it would be too costly. In either case
Delta must not think this technology is going to become mandatory
anytime soon.
On Aug 21, 12:05=A0pm, "Max" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "dayvo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Whoa, Hoss, I want to be able to buy one of those jewels. =A0If I want al=
l
> that digital stuff and lasers, etc. I'll look at *accessories* but if
> they're part of the package I'm pretty sure I won't be able to afford
> one. =A0Either that or I won't be able to justify the expense.
>
> Max
I hear ya.. My point is, though, what should a newly designed table
saw look like. Is it still just a basic mechanical hunk of iron or
should we have some accuracy and other niceties built right in? This
is, after all 2008. Why do we still have to measure every saw
adjustment with another tool? Why do woodworkers have to retrofit
their saws for special jig or alignment systems? We've seen quite a
few innovative after market products that have great advantages.
While I'm sure they might add to the cost, I also believe they could
be "extras" or that through volume the cost would go down. If this
new saw came configured to use a system of clamps, jigs, hold downs,
etc. then you can bet I'd be doing follow on business with Delta.
What would you do with the analog tilt gauge on the front of that
saw? I'll bet you that everyone in my shop would use it to roughly
set the angle or just ignore it altogether. Then they'd pick up an
angle gauge to set/check it accurately.
Further more...why do I see Wixey selling digital planer gauges but I
don't see vendors integrating them into their planers? I just bought
a 20" from Laguna and guess what it has on the front - a tiny analog
gauge. Not real accurate when you have to size matching stock 3 days
later. Instead we have to pull out a micrometer...
"Frank Boettcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>>
> Made me think about looking for something I've misplaced. I have a
> plate with a screw clamp that slides into the lowest channel of the
> fence extrusion and locks the plate up to the bottom of the fence
> providing a lip for up and down support. It was a prototype, I think,
> that never made it into production.
>
> Problem is that you have to be careful not to overload it with the
> fence extended too far out, so that it doesn't overload the fence body
> clamp. But with the fence extended out about a foot or so, really
> provides a nice bit of support.
>
> Easy to rig one up I think.
>
> Frank
Actually Rockler sells clamps $15, which I have, to hold a sacrificial fence
in place on a rip fence. The sacrificial fence could be adjusted forward or
made longer. Just remember to add the width of the sacrificial fence to the
width setting. Hummmm....
Somebody wrote:
> My biggest problem when ripping a sheet of
>>plywood is with the stock pivoting at the front of the fence. The
>>Unifence
>>has the capability of letting you slide the fence forward towards
>>the
>>operator.
SFWIW.
Glued 2 pieces of 13 ply (3/4 thick), cabinet ply together to form a
7"-8" wide, 1-1/2" thick x length of Unifence extrusion piece.
Then installed a 3/4" wide T-Slot extrusion, about 2" from top edge.
Thru drilled ply and extrusion for 1/4-20, flat head bolts.
Bolted ply to UniFence extrusion with narrow edge up.
Since the ply is 1-1/2", can use the narrow edge marker on side scale
marker directly, (no offset req'd).
Now have several ways to clamp featherboard to fence to provide a hold
down.
Make up another 3/4 ply piece using same bolt holes, to serve as a
sacrificial fence for dado work.
WFM
YMMV
Lew
"Lee Michaels" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Leon" wrote
>> Strange looking!
>>
>> Tilt and height adjustment wheels on front and a riving knife.
>>
>> http://blogs.taunton.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?webtag=fw-editorsblog
>>
> I like it.
Yeah I'd love to see it althought I'm not in the market and if I were I
would still look strongly at the SawStop. I can however appreciate the
cranks on the front and the fact that the elevation adjustment wheel does
not raise as the bevel is adjusted towards the 45 degree setting.
Additionally Delta is claiming that the bevel scale is accurate to with in
.5 degrees. I use an electronic Tilt Block and can get to with in .1
degrees IIRC. The new Delta scale may be more accurate than they are
claiming, perhaps it is easier to see the .5 degree settings.
> I watched the little video. One feature I liked was that it has 16"
> between the blade and the front of the saw. Thus giving a little more
> support for cutting long stock.
Actually it is 15" when the blade is raised to 1.25". I know that 15" is
probably going to be an improvement for many but my Jet has 13.5" so that
would be just a little better for me. IMHO the greatest advantage here is
when cross cutting wide panels and using a sled or miter gauge. I believe
that a fence that would extend farther out past the front of the saw would
help more with longer stick. My biggest problem when ripping a sheet of
plywood is with the stock pivoting at the front of the fence. The Unifence
has the capability of letting you slide the fence forward towards the
operator.
>
> One problem is that it won't be available for another year.
Early 09 according to the video.
"dayvo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I like that Delta started over and re-engineered the saw. The riving
> knife and its adjustability look great.
>
> Is that it? The other features like an integrated nut/washer on the
> arbor and a storage drawer are sad offerings. Given the chance to
> completly re-engineer the saw, Delta has really fallen short. With
> all the technology and innovative products on the market, they could
> have done much better.
Agreed, the nut with built in flange washer may actually cause you to drop
the nut more often. I think a rare earth magnet on the end of the arbor
would help prevent dropping the nut/washer in to the saw dust.
>
> How about:
>
> * Electronic indicators of blade height and angle (accurate to MORE
> than 1/2 degree)
> * Integral jig and fixture system (ala Woodpeck, Rockler and the like)
> * Re-designed fence with micro adjustability and digital readout
> * Self cleaning and lubrication
> * Integrating a saw-stop style safety feature
> * Independent testing to prove reliability
With respect to all above features cost has to be factored in to prevent out
pricing the market. IIRC Delta turned down the opportunity to add the
SawStop capability.
>
> Delta should have looked at all the aftermarket add on's for
> inspiration. With todays tech, you should be able to adjust a saw
> using buttons/dials and have digital readouts to tell you precisely
> where you're at. It should also remember a certain number of settings
> and return to them at the push of a button.
Craftsman saws/RAS's at one time offered this feature in the mid 80's IIRC,
apparently it did not go over too well. Execution may have been a factor.
I like that Delta started over and re-engineered the saw. The riving
knife and its adjustability look great.
Is that it? The other features like an integrated nut/washer on the
arbor and a storage drawer are sad offerings. Given the chance to
completly re-engineer the saw, Delta has really fallen short. With
all the technology and innovative products on the market, they could
have done much better.
How about:
* Electronic indicators of blade height and angle (accurate to MORE
than 1/2 degree)
* Integral jig and fixture system (ala Woodpeck, Rockler and the like)
* Re-designed fence with micro adjustability and digital readout
* Self cleaning and lubrication
* Integrating a saw-stop style safety feature
* Independent testing to prove reliability
Delta should have looked at all the aftermarket add on's for
inspiration. With todays tech, you should be able to adjust a saw
using buttons/dials and have digital readouts to tell you precisely
where you're at. It should also remember a certain number of settings
and return to them at the push of a button. You should at least be
able to write down precise settings and reset the machine manually.
Then I wouldn't need 7 tablesaws in the shop. Is it still 1950?
dayvo wrote:
> I like that Delta started over and re-engineered the saw. The
> riving
> knife and its adjustability look great.
>
> Is that it? The other features like an integrated nut/washer on the
> arbor and a storage drawer are sad offerings. Given the chance to
> completly re-engineer the saw, Delta has really fallen short. With
> all the technology and innovative products on the market, they could
> have done much better.
>
> How about:
>
> * Electronic indicators of blade height and angle (accurate to MORE
> than 1/2 degree)
> * Integral jig and fixture system (ala Woodpeck, Rockler and the
> like)
> * Re-designed fence with micro adjustability and digital readout
> * Self cleaning and lubrication
> * Integrating a saw-stop style safety feature
> * Independent testing to prove reliability
>
> Delta should have looked at all the aftermarket add on's for
> inspiration. With todays tech, you should be able to adjust a saw
> using buttons/dials and have digital readouts to tell you precisely
> where you're at. It should also remember a certain number of
> settings
> and return to them at the push of a button. You should at least be
> able to write down precise settings and reset the machine manually.
> Then I wouldn't need 7 tablesaws in the shop. Is it still 1950?
How much extra are you willing to pay for all this?
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--John
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"dayvo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I like that Delta started over and re-engineered the saw. The riving
> knife and its adjustability look great.
>
> Is that it? The other features like an integrated nut/washer on the
> arbor and a storage drawer are sad offerings. Given the chance to
> completly re-engineer the saw, Delta has really fallen short. With
> all the technology and innovative products on the market, they could
> have done much better.
>
> How about:
>
> * Electronic indicators of blade height and angle (accurate to MORE
> than 1/2 degree)
> * Integral jig and fixture system (ala Woodpeck, Rockler and the like)
> * Re-designed fence with micro adjustability and digital readout
> * Self cleaning and lubrication
> * Integrating a saw-stop style safety feature
> * Independent testing to prove reliability
>
> Delta should have looked at all the aftermarket add on's for
> inspiration. With todays tech, you should be able to adjust a saw
> using buttons/dials and have digital readouts to tell you precisely
> where you're at. It should also remember a certain number of settings
> and return to them at the push of a button. You should at least be
> able to write down precise settings and reset the machine manually.
> Then I wouldn't need 7 tablesaws in the shop. Is it still 1950?
Whoa, Hoss, I want to be able to buy one of those jewels. If I want all
that digital stuff and lasers, etc. I'll look at *accessories* but if
they're part of the package I'm pretty sure I won't be able to afford
one. Either that or I won't be able to justify the expense.
Max
"Leon" wrote
> Strange looking!
>
> Tilt and height adjustment wheels on front and a riving knife.
>
> http://blogs.taunton.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?webtag=fw-editorsblog
>
I like it.
I watched the little video. One feature I liked was that it has 16" between
the blade and the front of the saw. Thus giving a little more support for
cutting long stock.
One problem is that it won't be available for another year.
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:02:41 -0500, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Lee Michaels" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Leon" wrote
>>> Strange looking!
>>>
>>> Tilt and height adjustment wheels on front and a riving knife.
>>>
>>> http://blogs.taunton.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?webtag=fw-editorsblog
>>>
>> I like it.
>
My biggest problem when ripping a sheet of
>plywood is with the stock pivoting at the front of the fence. The Unifence
>has the capability of letting you slide the fence forward towards the
>operator.
>
>>
Made me think about looking for something I've misplaced. I have a
plate with a screw clamp that slides into the lowest channel of the
fence extrusion and locks the plate up to the bottom of the fence
providing a lip for up and down support. It was a prototype, I think,
that never made it into production.
Problem is that you have to be careful not to overload it with the
fence extended too far out, so that it doesn't overload the fence body
clamp. But with the fence extended out about a foot or so, really
provides a nice bit of support.
Easy to rig one up I think.
Frank
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