On 7/30/2014 6:23 PM, dpb wrote:
> On 07/30/2014 3:22 PM, Swingman wrote:
>
>> You guys getting enough rain?
>
> "Enough"? No chance. Despite their three-day alarms of flood warnings
> and promises of 2" or more, we got only about a half-inch in a tiny
> little shower of <0.1" in the morning yesterday then the rest from "the
> big show" this AM between 4:30 and about 7. Like every other similar
> event the last several years, it rained nicely for a little while but
> nothing more than drizzle for over about 20-30 minutes. Just can't get
> the main areas to come our way.
>
> If you see this in time (it'll reset at midnight to the new day) look at
> the radar precipitation total estimated map. We're right in that gray
> "donut hole" w/ green, yellow, orange around. Been that way all year --
> 2" and as much as 4 or 5" within 10-15 miles but not on us.
>
> Just looked, my weather station has accumulated 5.28" YTD; add about
> another inch maybe for some snow in March. We should have had 13-14" by
> now or perhaps even more on our way to our average of roughly 18".
Ouch! Sorry to hear that.
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On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 7:17:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> Doug Miller > Bill <> >> Scott Lurndal wrote: >>> I don't know about tha=
t - the picture shows it in the back of a >>> minivan. >> >> When I looked =
at the picture, I couldn't figure out where it was! %-) > > My first though=
t when I saw the picture was "why does this guy have a jointer in his boat?=
"=20
>Does the boat/wife come with the jointer? Please send pictures of boat/ wi=
fe. :-)
And post specs, as to what phase the wife is in. Draft, of the boat, is op=
tional.
Sonny
On 7/30/2014 3:22 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 7/30/2014 3:18 PM, dpb wrote:
>> On 07/30/2014 1:19 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 7/30/2014 11:30 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>
>>>> Would you expect it's motor to have been replaced once or twice by now
>>>> (assuming 1950s origin)?
>>>
>>> Not necessarily.
>>>
>>> If I had to guess, it's likely a 2HP/220v, and an even, or better,
>>> chance of being original.
>>
>> The plug from what I could tell looks like 110V three prong to me altho
>> it isn't conclusive as the picture angle is from the plug prong end but
>> sorta' a side view; possibly it is dual-voltage so could convert to 240V.
>>
>> Ewww...just went to recheck my conclusion and "posting has been deleted
>> by author"...looks like deadhorse country here now...
>
> Never stopped us before. ;)
>
> You guys getting enough rain?
>
Speaking of rain, looks like L.A. solved it's water shortage, let the
infrastructure crumble and you get plenty of water. ;~)
Interesting, in earth quake country, that the multi multi million
renovation of the GYM at UCLA did not consider the age and condition of
near by water mains. IIRC the cost was about what was spent to build
our base ball park. Ironic.
Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> Bill <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> I don't know about that - the picture shows it in the back of a
>>> minivan.
>>
>> When I looked at the picture, I couldn't figure out where it was! %-)
>
> My first thought when I saw the picture was "why does this guy have a jointer in his boat?"
Does the boat/wife come with the jointer? Please send pictures of boat/
wife. :-)
"Bill" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
>a message to the owner.
>http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html
That set-up redefines "portable jointer..."
On Monday, July 28, 2014 9:07:14 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
> What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent a message to the owner. http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html Bill
Bill, the ad was originally posted 10 days ago and updated 2 days ago, so it still may not be sold, yet. They posted "preferred contact by email, only", which is the only method for contact, anyway. Keep emailing them.
Sonny
"Doug Miller" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>Bill <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> I don't know about that - the picture shows it in the back of a
>>> minivan.
>
>> When I looked at the picture, I couldn't figure out where it was! %-)
>My first thought when I saw the picture was "why does this guy have a
>jointer in his boat?"
The mini van is why I made my snarky remark... "That set-up redefines
"portable jointer..." ;~)
On 7/28/2014 9:07 PM, Bill wrote:
> What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
> a message to the owner.
>
> http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html
>
> Bill
Probably not a 3 phase, it is a small jointer. My assumption is that
one used in a 3 phase industrial environment would be sized to handle
larger stock.
On 7/28/2014 10:07 PM, Bill wrote:
> What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
> a message to the owner.
>
> http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html
>
> Billa
I think that is over priced for an 8" jointer.
You could by a new 8" parallelogram from griz for close to that.
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On 7/28/2014 9:07 PM, Bill wrote:
> What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
> a message to the owner.
>
> http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html
Looks exactly like the one we had in our high school shop, which IIRC,
was not 3 phase. Why do I remember: my occasionally less than stellar
behavior got me extra duty on machine maintenance chores.
My personal opinion is that it's about $200 too high, but value is in
the eye of the user.
In either case it would be a great restoration project for one
interested in doing so, therefore its value is proportionate to its
usefulness to the woodworker who uses it, and that may be priceless. ;)
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mungedaddress <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> Based on the ad the seller is not very knowledge, but did try to
> research. The seller may not know one versus three.
Agreed. However, the seller should be able to copy the information from the motor's
electrical rating plate and email that to Bill; whether it's single-phase or 3-phase should be
apparent.
Bill, let me know if you want to borrow my truck -- but I think you might want to rent one that
has a lift gate.
> On 7/28/2014 10:07 PM, Bill wrote:
>> What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
>> a message to the owner.
>>
>> http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html
>>
>> Bill
>
Bill <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> I don't know about that - the picture shows it in the back of a
>> minivan.
>
> When I looked at the picture, I couldn't figure out where it was! %-)
My first thought when I saw the picture was "why does this guy have a jointer in his boat?"
Based on the ad the seller is not very knowledge, but did try to
research. The seller may not know one versus three.
On 7/28/2014 10:07 PM, Bill wrote:
> What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
> a message to the owner.
>
> http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html
>
> Bill
Bill <[email protected]> writes:
>woodchucker wrote:
>> On 7/28/2014 10:07 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
>>> a message to the owner.
>>>
>>> http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html
>>>
>>> Billa
>> I think that is over priced for an 8" jointer.
>> You could by a new 8" parallelogram from griz for close to that.
>>
>>
>
>Yes, I didn't say that I was going to offer the seller the $685 asking
>price.
>The fact that it doesn't look easy to move is a negative as well.
I don't know about that - the picture shows it in the back of a
minivan.
Looks like single phase and appears to be in, generally, good shape, to me.
If the person knows anything about tools, they should have posted what phas=
e and more info about it. It appears to be in back of an SUV, makes me won=
der about its acquisition, prior to its Craigslist posting. *I can't imag=
ine loading something as that in an SUV.... must have been some unusual cir=
cumstances, for that. It's not tied down, so I wonder what happens when t=
hey turn a sharp corner, if they haven't removed it from the vehicle, yet.
The ad was posted 9 days ago, so maybe the reason he/she hasn't replied to=
you is that it's already sold. Jointers seem to sell pretty fast, even f=
or that vintage and at that price. Maybe, you should not wait on a reply,=
but go there, if convenient, as per the map, and try to find the location,=
and negotiate. If it's available, offer $400-$450 and go from there. If=
it's still available, he/she may desperately want it removed from their SU=
V. =20
Sonny
On 7/30/2014 3:18 PM, dpb wrote:
> On 07/30/2014 1:19 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 7/30/2014 11:30 AM, Bill wrote:
>>
>>> Would you expect it's motor to have been replaced once or twice by now
>>> (assuming 1950s origin)?
>>
>> Not necessarily.
>>
>> If I had to guess, it's likely a 2HP/220v, and an even, or better,
>> chance of being original.
>
> The plug from what I could tell looks like 110V three prong to me altho
> it isn't conclusive as the picture angle is from the plug prong end but
> sorta' a side view; possibly it is dual-voltage so could convert to 240V.
>
> Ewww...just went to recheck my conclusion and "posting has been deleted
> by author"...looks like deadhorse country here now...
Never stopped us before. ;)
You guys getting enough rain?
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"Leon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>On 7/28/2014 9:07 PM, Bill wrote:
>> What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
>> a message to the owner.
>>
>> http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html
>Probably not a 3 phase, it is a small jointer. My assumption is that one
>used in a 3 phase industrial environment would be sized to handle larger
>stock.
I wouldn't rely on this rule of thumb... the middle school near me, built in
the late 1960s, has 3 phase and runs even 6" jointers on it. I also noticed
a local Craigs List posting for a new 1/3 HP 3 phase motor... I got the
impression it was for a blower.
On 7/29/2014 9:24 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "Leon" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> On 7/28/2014 9:07 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
>>> a message to the owner.
>>>
>>> http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html
>
>> Probably not a 3 phase, it is a small jointer. My assumption is that
>> one used in a 3 phase industrial environment would be sized to handle
>> larger stock.
>
> I wouldn't rely on this rule of thumb... the middle school near me,
> built in the late 1960s, has 3 phase and runs even 6" jointers on it. I
> also noticed a local Craigs List posting for a new 1/3 HP 3 phase
> motor... I got the impression it was for a blower.
>
>
>
The government building would naturally be built with commercial specs.
But you do have a point there. And it was just an assumption.
On 7/29/2014 11:37 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:23:02 -0700, Sonny wrote:
>
>> If the person knows anything about tools, they should have posted what
>> phase and more info about it. It appears to be in back of an SUV, makes
>> me wonder about its acquisition, prior to its Craigslist posting.
>
> Maybe it fell into the SUV "off the back of a truck."
>
Or the SUV was built around the old jointer. ;~)
On 07/28/2014 9:07 PM, Bill wrote:
> What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) ...
Don't think so--I expanded the image w/ the cord up as far as browser
would go and it looks like standard 3-prong plug to me...plus it's just
got a mechanical on-off switch; no starter which would be expected fur
shure w/ 3P. Still never hurts to make sure what motor actually is in it...
--
woodchucker wrote:
> On 7/28/2014 10:07 PM, Bill wrote:
>> What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
>> a message to the owner.
>>
>> http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html
>>
>> Billa
> I think that is over priced for an 8" jointer.
> You could by a new 8" parallelogram from griz for close to that.
>
>
Yes, I didn't say that I was going to offer the seller the $685 asking
price.
The fact that it doesn't look easy to move is a negative as well.
BTW, Wreckers, I had a few issues that got in the way of my woodworking
this summer (I haven't meant to be "distant",
and I had intended to make more sawdust!)
Bill
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:23:02 -0700, Sonny wrote:
> If the person knows anything about tools, they should have posted what
> phase and more info about it. It appears to be in back of an SUV, makes
> me wonder about its acquisition, prior to its Craigslist posting.
Maybe it fell into the SUV "off the back of a truck."
Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Bill <[email protected]> writes:
>> woodchucker wrote:
>>> On 7/28/2014 10:07 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>> What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
>>>> a message to the owner.
>>>>
>>>> http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html
>>>>
>>>> Billa
>>> I think that is over priced for an 8" jointer.
>>> You could by a new 8" parallelogram from griz for close to that.
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, I didn't say that I was going to offer the seller the $685 asking
>> price.
>> The fact that it doesn't look easy to move is a negative as well.
> I don't know about that - the picture shows it in the back of a
> minivan.
When I looked at the picture, I couldn't figure out where it was! %-)
Maybe I didn't expect it to be standing up in a minivan?
Sonny wrote:
> Looks like single phase and appears to be in, generally, good shape, to me.
>
> If the person knows anything about tools, they should have posted what phase and more info about it. It appears to be in back of an SUV, makes me wonder about its acquisition, prior to its Craigslist posting. *I can't imagine loading something as that in an SUV.... must have been some unusual circumstances, for that. It's not tied down, so I wonder what happens when they turn a sharp corner, if they haven't removed it from the vehicle, yet.
>
> The ad was posted 9 days ago, so maybe the reason he/she hasn't replied to you is that it's already sold. Jointers seem to sell pretty fast, even for that vintage and at that price. Maybe, you should not wait on a reply, but go there, if convenient, as per the map, and try to find the location, and negotiate. If it's available, offer $400-$450 and go from there. If it's still available, he/she may desperately want it removed from their SUV.
>
> Sonny
It is strange that they photographed in an SUV. I didn't pick up on
that until it was pointed out. One might have expected it to be sitting
in a shop environment... : ) Still nothing from the seller--probably sold.
Bill
"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote
> I wouldn't rely on this rule of thumb... the middle school near me, built
> in the late 1960s, has 3 phase and runs even 6" jointers on it. I also
> noticed a local Craigs List posting for a new 1/3 HP 3 phase motor... I
> got the impression it was for a blower.
Yeah, but...
I had a machine with that exact same switch. Single phase all the way.
Have you EVER seen a 3 phase without a magnetic starter? Not me. Also,
that is a Lowes special cord cap. Not a twist lock, like a 3 phase. That
one only has three prongs. Single phase, all the way, for the third time.
Case closed.
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Sonny wrote:
> On Monday, July 28, 2014 9:07:14 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
>> What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent a message to the owner. http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html Bill
> Bill, the ad was originally posted 10 days ago and updated 2 days ago, so it still may not be sold, yet. They posted "preferred contact by email, only", which is the only method for contact, anyway. Keep emailing them.
>
> Sonny
Okay, I'll give it another try. I will leave out "difficult questions"
this time...
Thanks,
Bill
Swingman wrote:
> On 7/28/2014 9:07 PM, Bill wrote:
>> What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
>> a message to the owner.
>>
>> http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html
>
> Looks exactly like the one we had in our high school shop, which IIRC,
> was not 3 phase. Why do I remember: my occasionally less than stellar
> behavior got me extra duty on machine maintenance chores.
>
> My personal opinion is that it's about $200 too high, but value is in
> the eye of the user.
>
> In either case it would be a great restoration project for one
> interested in doing so, therefore its value is proportionate to its
> usefulness to the woodworker who uses it, and that may be priceless. ;)
>
Would you expect it's motor to have been replaced once or twice by now
(assuming 1950s origin)?
Bill
Swingman wrote:
> On 7/28/2014 9:07 PM, Bill wrote:
>> What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I sent
>> a message to the owner.
>>
>> http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html
>
> Looks exactly like the one we had in our high school shop, which IIRC,
> was not 3 phase. Why do I remember: my occasionally less than stellar
> behavior got me extra duty on machine maintenance chores.
>
> My personal opinion is that it's about $200 too high, but value is in
> the eye of the user.
>
> In either case it would be a great restoration project for one
> interested in doing so, therefore its value is proportionate to its
> usefulness to the woodworker who uses it, and that may be priceless. ;)
>
I feel like just surrounding myself with cast iron makes me more
attractive! ; )
Sonny wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 7:17:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> Doug Miller > Bill <> >> Scott Lurndal wrote: >>> I don't know
>> about that - the picture shows it in the back of a >>> minivan. >>
>> >> When I looked at the picture, I couldn't figure out where it was!
>> %-) > > My first thought when I saw the picture was "why does this
>> guy have a jointer in his boat?"
>
>> Does the boat/wife come with the jointer? Please send pictures of
>> boat/ wife. :-)
>
> And post specs, as to what phase the wife is in. Draft, of the boat,
> is optional.
>
Note to the unwary... both boats and wives are usually sold off when they
have long passed their useful life. Suggest you consider looking at
snowmobiles or vintage cars.
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Bill wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>> On 7/28/2014 9:07 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> What do you guys think of this one (does it look like 3-phase?) I
>>> sent a message to the owner.
>>>
>>> http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/tls/4578621510.html
>>
>> Looks exactly like the one we had in our high school shop, which
>> IIRC, was not 3 phase. Why do I remember: my occasionally less than
>> stellar behavior got me extra duty on machine maintenance chores.
>>
>> My personal opinion is that it's about $200 too high, but value is in
>> the eye of the user.
>>
>> In either case it would be a great restoration project for one
>> interested in doing so, therefore its value is proportionate to its
>> usefulness to the woodworker who uses it, and that may be priceless.
>> ;)
>
> Would you expect it's motor to have been replaced once or twice by now
> (assuming 1950s origin)?
>
No reason to assume it has ever been replaced at all.
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On 07/30/2014 1:19 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 7/30/2014 11:30 AM, Bill wrote:
>
>> Would you expect it's motor to have been replaced once or twice by now
>> (assuming 1950s origin)?
>
> Not necessarily.
>
> If I had to guess, it's likely a 2HP/220v, and an even, or better,
> chance of being original.
The plug from what I could tell looks like 110V three prong to me altho
it isn't conclusive as the picture angle is from the plug prong end but
sorta' a side view; possibly it is dual-voltage so could convert to 240V.
Ewww...just went to recheck my conclusion and "posting has been deleted
by author"...looks like deadhorse country here now...
--
dpb wrote:
> On 07/30/2014 1:19 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 7/30/2014 11:30 AM, Bill wrote:
>>
>>> Would you expect it's motor to have been replaced once or twice by now
>>> (assuming 1950s origin)?
>>
>> Not necessarily.
>>
>> If I had to guess, it's likely a 2HP/220v, and an even, or better,
>> chance of being original.
>
> The plug from what I could tell looks like 110V three prong to me
> altho it isn't conclusive as the picture angle is from the plug prong
> end but sorta' a side view; possibly it is dual-voltage so could
> convert to 240V.
>
> Ewww...just went to recheck my conclusion and "posting has been
> deleted by author"...looks like deadhorse country here now...
Two email messages from me, and no replies. Thank you for the update.
>
> --
>
>
>
On 07/30/2014 3:22 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 7/30/2014 3:18 PM, dpb wrote:
...
>> Ewww...just went to recheck my conclusion and "posting has been deleted
>> by author"...looks like deadhorse country here now...
>
> Never stopped us before. ;)
Chuckle...indeed! :)
> You guys getting enough rain?
"Enough"? No chance. Despite their three-day alarms of flood warnings
and promises of 2" or more, we got only about a half-inch in a tiny
little shower of <0.1" in the morning yesterday then the rest from "the
big show" this AM between 4:30 and about 7. Like every other similar
event the last several years, it rained nicely for a little while but
nothing more than drizzle for over about 20-30 minutes. Just can't get
the main areas to come our way.
If you see this in time (it'll reset at midnight to the new day) look at
the radar precipitation total estimated map. We're right in that gray
"donut hole" w/ green, yellow, orange around. Been that way all year --
2" and as much as 4 or 5" within 10-15 miles but not on us.
Just looked, my weather station has accumulated 5.28" YTD; add about
another inch maybe for some snow in March. We should have had 13-14" by
now or perhaps even more on our way to our average of roughly 18".
<http://classic.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?zoommode=pan&prevzoom=zoom&num=1&frame=0&delay=15&scale=1.000&noclutter=0&ID=DDC&type=NTP&showstorms=0&lat=37.04393005&lon=-100.92813873&label=Liberal,%20KS&map.x=400&map.y=240&scale=1.000¢erx=400¢ery=240&showlabels=1&rainsnow=1&lightning=0&lerror=20&num_stns_min=2&num_stns_max=9999&avg_off=9999&smooth=0>
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On 07/30/2014 6:23 PM, dpb wrote:
...
> If you see this in time (it'll reset at midnight to the new day) look at
> the radar precipitation total estimated map. We're right in that gray
> "donut hole" w/ green, yellow, orange around. Been that way all year --
> 2" and as much as 4 or 5" within 10-15 miles but not on us.
>
> Just looked, my weather station has accumulated 5.28" YTD; add about
> another inch maybe for some snow in March. We should have had 13-14" by
> now or perhaps even more on our way to our average of roughly 18".
...
The radar map has reset by now of course and I don't know of any way to
retrieve an archive view...
The one added note is that there is at least one difference this year
from the previous two severe drought years is that at least this year
there is rain around the area whereas two years ago there wasn't much
all the way to almost the Mississippi east. Last year it finally began
some Wichita and east. This year it's at least been in the area so
maybe we're finally beginning to see a change in the cycle. Last year
was driest we've had here at the farm in the 100-yr including the
Dirty-30s of <7". Year before was about 2nd or 3rd, exceeded only by one
of the 30s and one in the 50s. At this pace we're on track locally for
nearly matching those even though all around there's been quite a lot
since second week in June altho whole area was in "Exceptional" Cat IV
on the drought monitor ratings. The problem with them is that they
start over on Jan 1 so don't really reflect the long-term situation well.
--
On 07/31/2014 11:57 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 7/30/2014 6:23 PM, dpb wrote:
...
>> Just looked, my weather station has accumulated 5.28" YTD; add about
>> another inch maybe for some snow in March. We should have had 13-14" by
>> now or perhaps even more on our way to our average of roughly 18".
>
> Ouch! Sorry to hear that.
So're we... :(
Out of the 5.28", 3.03" was June and 1.53" July or all but a little over
1" (2" counting the March snow) for the first 6 months of the year.
April and May which should be our two wettest months were 0.33" and
0.65", respectively. We've not had a decent thunderstorm, our normal
primary mode of rainfall, in 3+ years now. No tornadoes or hail which
is good, but no rain of any significance to go along with that that is
the redeeming feature of the severe weather season for the southern High
Plains.
--
On 07/31/2014 9:14 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 7/31/2014 8:10 AM, dpb wrote:
>> On 07/30/2014 10:31 PM, Leon wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> Speaking of rain, looks like L.A. solved it's water shortage, ...
>>
>> Saw the footage. Didn't say, but that was a sizable main...
...
> Very large and very old, it leaked 5% of the daily water usage for L.A.
Finally saw an article last night that actually had some (hopefully
reasonably accurate) facts other than the "golly, gee! look at the
water!" kind of reporting. It was/is "only" a 30" main and 90 yo --
both slightly beyond moderate in the scale of things...said there is
about 200 mi of 60 yo and older distribution line in LA. Surprised
isn't more than that altho LA is pretty new for the most part.
NY in January had a 36" line break in Greenwich Village. That main was
put in in 1877. Much of the main feed system dates to roughly the same
time or even earlier and are as large as 14-ft diam. I think the oldest
aqueduct, the New Croton finished around 1890, is largely now replaced
altho still operational.
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On 7/30/14 5:23 PM, dpb wrote:
> On 07/30/2014 3:22 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 7/30/2014 3:18 PM, dpb wrote:
> ...
>
>>> Ewww...just went to recheck my conclusion and "posting has been deleted
>>> by author"...looks like deadhorse country here now...
>>
>> Never stopped us before. ;)
>
> Chuckle...indeed! :)
>
>> You guys getting enough rain?
>
> "Enough"? No chance. Despite their three-day alarms of flood warnings
> and promises of 2" or more, we got only about a half-inch in a tiny
> little shower of <0.1" in the morning yesterday then the rest from "the
> big show" this AM between 4:30 and about 7. Like every other similar
> event the last several years, it rained nicely for a little while but
> nothing more than drizzle for over about 20-30 minutes. Just can't get
> the main areas to come our way.
>
> If you see this in time (it'll reset at midnight to the new day) look at
> the radar precipitation total estimated map. We're right in that gray
> "donut hole" w/ green, yellow, orange around. Been that way all year --
> 2" and as much as 4 or 5" within 10-15 miles but not on us.
>
> Just looked, my weather station has accumulated 5.28" YTD; add about
> another inch maybe for some snow in March. We should have had 13-14" by
> now or perhaps even more on our way to our average of roughly 18".
>
> <http://classic.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?zoommode=pan&prevzoom=zoom&num=1&frame=0&delay=15&scale=1.000&noclutter=0&ID=DDC&type=NTP&showstorms=0&lat=37.04393005&lon=-100.92813873&label=Liberal,%20KS&map.x=400&map.y=240&scale=1.000¢erx=400¢ery=240&showlabels=1&rainsnow=1&lightning=0&lerror=20&num_stns_min=2&num_stns_max=9999&avg_off=9999&smooth=0>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
Lucky you!
We seem to be forever stuck in the precip 'doughnut hole' here in
central NM. YTD rain has been just barely over 1", although we got a
good 1/4" soaking last night...
-BR
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On 08/02/2014 9:01 AM, Brewster wrote:
...
> Lucky you!
> We seem to be forever stuck in the precip 'doughnut hole' here in
> central NM. YTD rain has been just barely over 1", although we got a
> good 1/4" soaking last night...
...
Yeah, there are areas worse off than even we, fur shure...
But, just out of curiosity, what's your annual average?
We were out to Red River/Eagle Nest two weeks ago and excepting for just
a couple small areas just east of Springer, it's lush until almost
Clayton and from the cutoff north of Springer to Cimarron is about as
green as I've ever seen it in late July...
--
On 8/2/14, 11:03 AM, dpb wrote:
> On 08/02/2014 9:01 AM, Brewster wrote:
> ...
>
>> Lucky you!
>> We seem to be forever stuck in the precip 'doughnut hole' here in
>> central NM. YTD rain has been just barely over 1", although we got a
>> good 1/4" soaking last night...
> ...
>
> Yeah, there are areas worse off than even we, fur shure...
>
> But, just out of curiosity, what's your annual average?
Heh!
'Normal' is about 7-8". We usually get 80% of that in July/August.
>
> We were out to Red River/Eagle Nest two weeks ago and excepting for just
> a couple small areas just east of Springer, it's lush until almost
> Clayton and from the cutoff north of Springer to Cimarron is about as
> green as I've ever seen it in late July...
The state is catching up fast with the latest rains, but the storms are
hit or miss and we have been in the 'miss' category. Go up or down the
road a mile and they are doing great.
-BR
>
> --
>
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On 08/03/2014 9:41 AM, Brewster wrote:
> On 8/2/14, 11:03 AM, dpb wrote:
...
>> But, just out of curiosity, what's your annual average?
> Heh!
> 'Normal' is about 7-8". We usually get 80% of that in July/August.
Well, you've still got (most of) August... :) Good luck...
>>
>> We were out to Red River/Eagle Nest two weeks ago and excepting for just
>> a couple small areas just east of Springer, it's lush until almost
>> Clayton and from the cutoff north of Springer to Cimarron is about as
>> green as I've ever seen it in late July...
That's generally true out here, of course, as you're well aware--it's
been almost five years since we've had a general area-wide rain event
around this area.
> The state is catching up fast with the latest rains, but the storms are
> hit or miss and we have been in the 'miss' category. Go up or down the
> road a mile and they are doing great.
> -BR
...
We've some other ground in Harding County and son went by on the way to
pick up I40 on their way back to Raleigh -- it's lush down that way now,
too, from the pictures he took. It's 50 mi out of the way to get down
there from US56 and no way across except to back track or a nearly
unused county road that only follows section lines so really cuts of
very little mileage back towards Clayton anyway so we didn't take the
time this trip.
But, despite all the green grass now, no cattle to be seen--all the cow
herds already thinned to nearly nothing by the past 2/3 years.
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On 7/30/2014 11:30 AM, Bill wrote:
> Would you expect it's motor to have been replaced once or twice by now
> (assuming 1950s origin)?
Not necessarily.
If I had to guess, it's likely a 2HP/220v, and an even, or better,
chance of being original.
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On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 08:13:43 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 07/31/2014 9:14 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 7/31/2014 8:10 AM, dpb wrote:
>>> On 07/30/2014 10:31 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Speaking of rain, looks like L.A. solved it's water shortage, ...
>>>
>>> Saw the footage. Didn't say, but that was a sizable main...
>...
>
>> Very large and very old, it leaked 5% of the daily water usage for L.A.
>
>Finally saw an article last night that actually had some (hopefully
>reasonably accurate) facts other than the "golly, gee! look at the
>water!" kind of reporting. It was/is "only" a 30" main and 90 yo --
>both slightly beyond moderate in the scale of things...said there is
>about 200 mi of 60 yo and older distribution line in LA. Surprised
>isn't more than that altho LA is pretty new for the most part.
>
>NY in January had a 36" line break in Greenwich Village. That main was
>put in in 1877. Much of the main feed system dates to roughly the same
>time or even earlier and are as large as 14-ft diam. I think the oldest
>aqueduct, the New Croton finished around 1890, is largely now replaced
>altho still operational.
Not so much a replacement for as an additional. The idea was to have
excess capacity so each of the aqueducts could be brought down for
inspection and repair. After a century, it's a really good plan.
The aqueduct system into NYC is really amazing. They start in the
Catskills, which are on the other side of the Hudson River from NYC,
so must cross (under) the river. IIRC, they're on the order of 30' in
diameter (cue the Die Hard reruns).