Well,
I was privileged today, to have Robin Lee give me an extensive tour of the
new Lee Valley store in Toronto. The only thing I can say is that we're all
doomed to the poor house.
The display floor is huge. If you've ever been to the eastern or western
Toronto stores, you'll find this new central downtown store to be about
three times the size. At a rough guess I'd say that the sales floor is about
50 yards long and about 20 yards wide. Immediately upon entering the 1st
floor, customers pass by a massive display of antique axe heads and an
adjoining display of machetes. (I suspect they're there to intimidate
customers into spending more).
The next thing I noticed is that there's wood everywhere. Massive 12"x12"?
square vertical wooden posts support the roof structure. The floor is all
wood. A good portion of the walls are covered with wood. The sales counters
are wood. This isn't one of your new construction metal and concrete stores,
it's a majestic old building that literally injects the essence of wood into
your soul.
The following thing I noticed is that all this floor space permits a more
open display of products. There appears to be fewer glass cabinets than what
I've seen in other stores with most products out in the open and available
for close examination. This may or may not change slightly as the store
approaches its grand opening later on this month, but for now it's very
convenient to be able to handle quite a few articles of merchandise.
Liberally sprinkled around the floor you'll find a number of customer
operated terminals with keyboard, LCD monitor and mouse. While building your
order onscreen, you get immediate feedback on product availability. It's an
interactive screen with full search functions and closely follows the Lee
Valley Tools website, so if you're familiar with the website, you won't have
any trouble placing an order. Complete your order and then head off to one
of the sales counters all the while mentally preparing yourself to part with
most of your hard earned cash. Nothing new there except for all the displays
enticing you as you journey to the sales counters aligning two sides of the
floor.
But I digress, I'm on a tour, right? All the while chatting with Robin, I
followed him through a lunch room, out onto a shipping dock, in through
another shipping door and down the freight elevator. There we came out on
the basement level consisting of a number of people busily constructing
rooms for overstock, seminars and classroom presentations. It's a work in
progress, but there's a good chance most if not all of it will be finished
by the time of the grand opening. I followed Robin back the same way, up the
freight elevator and into the stock room adjoining the sales floor. If
anything, the stock room is *bigger* than the huge sales floor. Interesting
enough, the floor of the stock room is constructed out of adjacent 2" x 12"
wooden timbers all laid on edge similar to a laminated work bench, except
that it's 12" thick. The ceiling, although not the same type of construction
as the stock room floor, is also constructed of huge interlaced beams of
wood. Would that such massive displays of large timbers of wood be as easily
available today as days gone by.
That's about the end of the tour. While many consider Lee Valley Tools to be
a purveyor of tool porn, I'd equate this building and all those tools to be
the woodworker's equivalent of a drug induced fantasy world, except that
it's not fantasy, it all really exists.
And naturally, Robin and staff were perfectly happy to take most of my hard
earned money in exchange for my new toy, a Kreg 3 Master System.
Oh, and I forgot to mention. This building is fully wheelchair accessible.
Elevator to all floors, wheelchair accessible washrooms on all floors and
lowered counters to make your buying experience just a little bit easier.
There's no bias here. Robin was perfectly happy to take my money as much as
he is to take yours. So, mortgage your house, sell your car and cash in your
children's college funds before you head off to see this new store. If
you're lucky you'll come out with enough change to put into the parking
meter before you turn around and go back into the store to look around some
more. <g>
Thanks for the tour Robin, much appreciated. Let me know the next time
you're in town, I owe you lunch.
Dave Moore
In article <[email protected]>, Doug Payne
<[email protected]> wrote:
> There's a couple of sticks if you know where to look, but they're few
> and far between and you have to work a bit to get there.
>
> http://heron.uwaterloo.ca/~dwpayne/al2002/img_big%20trees.html
Some of those pics may not be work safe...
Upscale wrote:
> Interesting
> enough, the floor of the stock room is constructed out of adjacent 2" x 12"
> wooden timbers all laid on edge similar to a laminated work bench, except
> that it's 12" thick.
Yikes. Little bit of overkill there?
I guess they're planning to be able to sand it down a couple times...
Chris
Chris Friesen <[email protected]> writes:
>Upscale wrote:
>> Interesting
>> enough, the floor of the stock room is constructed out of adjacent 2" x 12"
>> wooden timbers all laid on edge similar to a laminated work bench, except
>> that it's 12" thick.
>Yikes. Little bit of overkill there?
>I guess they're planning to be able to sand it down a couple times...
Probably original to the building. I've seen a few old
warehouses/factories that had floors like these. I thought they were
bricks, but I learned they are actually pieces of wood butted together.
I can't imagine anyone doing this for a new floor install unless doing a
restoration of a building. Concrete is cheaper and more durable.
Brian Elfert
"John (aka wheelzuk)" <[email protected]> wrote in message This
place sounds amazing Upscale, I'm over in London Ont in July, your recomend
on wheelchair access means I can visit a 'DIY' store your side of the pond
(damn only in town for 14 days!).
I believe all Lee Valley stores are wheelchair accessible (getting in the
door), although some don't have wheelchair accessible washrooms on the
premises.
There is a Lee Valley in London, Ontario, and it would carry similar
products to the Toronto store, but I doubt it would be near as big or
spacious.
Here's the London store:
2100 Oxford Street East (519) 659-7981
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
Fortunately, it's too far to walk at lunch!
Hey, wait a minute. It's on the Streetcar line outside my office, I could be
there in 15 minutes. NOOOOOOOOO! :)
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:16:37 -0400, Doug Payne <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 05/04/2006 4:03 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, Doug Payne
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> There's a couple of sticks if you know where to look, but they're few
>>> and far between and you have to work a bit to get there.
>>>
>>> http://heron.uwaterloo.ca/~dwpayne/al2002/img_big%20trees.html
>>
>> Some of those pics may not be work safe...
>
>Depends on where you work :-) The one I posted is safe unless you work
>in a sawmill; others linked from there may contain images that may
>offend the extremely puritannical (i.e. there's people wearing no clothes).
Got nothing to do with Puritans. For those folks working for large
corporations, pictures that even hint of unclothed females are deemed
"harrassment" and actionable. ... and that is from the opposite end of the
theological spectrum from the puritans; it's driven by pure, militant
feminism.
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If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
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"Michael Daly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> finishing products used, I had a killer headache before I finished looking
> around. They need to air the place out for a few more days (weeks?).
I did sense/smell a measure of newness in that old building, but my
olfactory senses aren't what they used to be. Didn't get any type of
headache though.
> I wonder what the building was originally built for? I believe it used to
be rag trade
> (textiles) until a decade or so ago (as was the whole area).
Yes, you're right, Robin said that it was some type of clothing business.
> For those with other tastes in porn, there's the infamous strip club
across the
> street. And in lieu of drugs, there's the pub next door (former Amsterdam
> Brewery - all the pretty copper kettles are gone, now).
Noticed both of those businesses. I had some time to spare and would have
gone into the pub next door, but it was downstairs and certainly not
wheelchair accessible. In fact, the nearest accessable eatery was west of
Bathurst and sad to say, it was a Mcdonalds.
> I mentioned to the staff member who greeted me that the store was in a bad
> location for me. I'd be there all the time! Unlike the other stores,
where I could
> limit myself to an occasional trip, this was only a couple of blocks from
one
> of my regular appointments.
It's definitely closer to where I live (Yonge and Bloor) but fortunately,
it's not regular TTC accessible to me (streetcars only) so at least it's
unlikely I'll be visiting it on the spur of the moment. On the plus side,
it's within rolling distance (about 40 minutes) so it's doubtful I'll be
visiting the other two stores anytime again considering the 60 minute+
travel time.
On 6-Apr-2006, Doug Payne <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'll be heading up there in a couple of weeks (1st week of May) for a
> solo trip. I try to do one every year; you should try it, it's good for
> the soul.
I did a week-long solo in Algonquin in October '89. I prefer shorter solos
now, I'm too "social" to be that alone (in October, _no_one_ is there midweek).
And I only sea kayak now. I have an idea for a portageable stitch and glue
kayak that would enable me to go into Algonquin's big pine areas. If I ever
finish the skin on frame kayak that's still a pile of sawn gunnels and stringers
in the gara...shop, I'll start that.
Mike
Nice pics; they make me think (and yearn) of our cottages up on Stony
Lake (here:
http://users.ev1.net/~cdober/ourweb/near_the_cottages1.htm), and the
3-4 days my wife & I usually spend in Algonquin each fall. Living in
Texas makes it impossible to get there more than about 3 weeks
annually. I really wish LV woould put a store in down here in
Houston...
Cliff
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:03:55 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Doug Payne
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> There's a couple of sticks if you know where to look, but they're few
>> and far between and you have to work a bit to get there.
>>
>> http://heron.uwaterloo.ca/~dwpayne/al2002/img_big%20trees.html
>
>Some of those pics may not be work safe...
On 5-Apr-2006, Doug Payne <[email protected]> wrote:
> There's a couple of sticks if you know where to look, but they're few
> and far between and you have to work a bit to get there.
I passed by a giant red pine several times on a portage trail once. I finally
stopped and looked up when I realized just how big the tree was in girth.
Wow - one of the few big ones left. No wonder it was called Red Pine Rapids.
I've spent years trying to get some paddlers to accompany me on a paddle
and hike into Algonquin's big pine areas. The two kilometer portage to
one I'm particularly interested in (south from Smoke Lake via Parkside Bay)
puts them off. "Day-trip from Parkside", I say, "Empty canoes in and out -
easy!!" but no go.
Nice photos.
Mike
On 5-Apr-2006, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
I visited this morning too.
> The next thing I noticed is that there's wood everywhere. Massive 12"x12"?
> square vertical wooden posts support the roof structure. The floor is all
> wood. A good portion of the walls are covered with wood. The sales counters
> are wood.
I like these old warehouse/factory buildings in that part of town for this.
I use to work in one and the huge exposed timbers and brick had a
much more peaceful (for lack of a better word) influence on me than
acres of painted drywall. The only problem is that with all the new
finishing products used, I had a killer headache before I finished looking
around. They need to air the place out for a few more days (weeks?).
> Interesting
> enough, the floor of the stock room is constructed out of adjacent 2" x 12"
> wooden timbers all laid on edge similar to a laminated work bench, except
> that it's 12" thick.
I wonder what the building was originally built for? I believe it used to be rag trade
(textiles) until a decade or so ago (as was the whole area).
> The ceiling, although not the same type of construction
> as the stock room floor, is also constructed of huge interlaced beams of
> wood. Would that such massive displays of large timbers of wood be as easily
> available today as days gone by.
Would that we still had forests of towering white pine from here to Georgian Bay
as days gone by. :-) There's nary a stick of old growth left from Lake Ontario
to Temagami.
> While many consider Lee Valley Tools to be
> a purveyor of tool porn, I'd equate this building and all those tools to be
> the woodworker's equivalent of a drug induced fantasy world, except that
> it's not fantasy, it all really exists.
For those with other tastes in porn, there's the infamous strip club across the
street. And in lieu of drugs, there's the pub next door (former Amsterdam
Brewery - all the pretty copper kettles are gone, now).
> Robin and staff were perfectly happy to take most of my hard earned money
I mentioned to the staff member who greeted me that the store was in a bad
location for me. I'd be there all the time! Unlike the other stores, where I could
limit myself to an occasional trip, this was only a couple of blocks from one
of my regular appointments. He offered that the store would be perfect for a
lunchtime visit - most major credit cards accepted.
Nice store - I'll be back.
Mike
"Michael Daly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> I've spent years trying to get some paddlers to accompany me on a paddle
> and hike into Algonquin's big pine areas. The two kilometer portage to
> one I'm particularly interested in (south from Smoke Lake via Parkside
Bay)
Is this something you're still into? My cousin is always hiking into
somewhere up north to do some fishing. If you want, I can put you in touch
with him and the two of you can decide if it's something you want to do.
On 05/04/2006 2:57 PM, Michael Daly wrote:
> Would that we still had forests of towering white pine from here to Georgian Bay
> as days gone by. :-) There's nary a stick of old growth left from Lake Ontario
> to Temagami.
There's a couple of sticks if you know where to look, but they're few
and far between and you have to work a bit to get there.
http://heron.uwaterloo.ca/~dwpayne/al2002/img_big%20trees.html
On 05/04/2006 4:03 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Doug Payne
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> There's a couple of sticks if you know where to look, but they're few
>> and far between and you have to work a bit to get there.
>>
>> http://heron.uwaterloo.ca/~dwpayne/al2002/img_big%20trees.html
>
> Some of those pics may not be work safe...
Depends on where you work :-) The one I posted is safe unless you work
in a sawmill; others linked from there may contain images that may
offend the extremely puritannical (i.e. there's people wearing no clothes).
On 05/04/2006 9:57 PM, Michael Daly wrote:
> I've spent years trying to get some paddlers to accompany me on a paddle
> and hike into Algonquin's big pine areas. The two kilometer portage to
> one I'm particularly interested in (south from Smoke Lake via Parkside Bay)
> puts them off. "Day-trip from Parkside", I say, "Empty canoes in and out -
> easy!!" but no go.
>
> Nice photos.
Thanks. The one to which I posted the link was taken east of Big Crow
Lake. Those are white pines, of course. There's a nice stand of old red
pines at Dickson Lake. I have less than fond memories of almost falling
into a collapsing sh*tter on a trip through Parkside.
I'll be heading up there in a couple of weeks (1st week of May) for a
solo trip. I try to do one every year; you should try it, it's good for
the soul.
On 06/04/2006 9:59 AM, cdo wrote:
> Nice pics; they make me think (and yearn) of our cottages up on Stony
> Lake (here:
Oh there's more: http://heron.uwaterloo.ca/~dwpayne/trips
I've got pictures from Algonquin and elsewhere going back to the late
'60s when I finally moved down south (anything south of L.Superior is
"down south" to me :-) Just haven't taken the time to scan 'em yet.
On 06/04/2006 11:22 AM, Michael Daly wrote:
> I did a week-long solo in Algonquin in October '89. I prefer shorter solos
> now, I'm too "social" to be that alone (in October, _no_one_ is there midweek).
:-) That's precisely why I like it. Spent many a Thanksgiving reveling
in the solitude.
> And I only sea kayak now. I have an idea for a portageable stitch and glue
> kayak that would enable me to go into Algonquin's big pine areas.
Get a detachable yoke (I use one on my solo canoe). Consider the Big
Crow area. Go in from Opeongo. If you want to do it quick, take the
water taxi up to North Arm. The portage in to Proulx looks long, but
it's basically an old road and pretty easy; there's carts there that
people use to bring in small boats with motors. From Proulx it's all
paddling. That stand of old-growth white pine isn't huge but it's still
pretty amazing.
On 05/04/2006 11:36 PM, Mark & Juanita wrote:
> Got nothing to do with Puritans. For those folks working for large
> corporations, pictures that even hint of unclothed females are deemed
> "harrassment" and actionable. ... and that is from the opposite end of the
> theological spectrum from the puritans; it's driven by pure, militant
> feminism.
Sure am glad I don't work in such a place.
Brian Elfert wrote:
> Chris Friesen <[email protected]> writes:
>
>
>>Upscale wrote:
>>
>>>Interesting
>>>enough, the floor of the stock room is constructed out of adjacent 2" x 12"
>>>wooden timbers all laid on edge similar to a laminated work bench, except
>>>that it's 12" thick.
>
>
>>Yikes. Little bit of overkill there?
>
>
>>I guess they're planning to be able to sand it down a couple times...
>
>
> Probably original to the building. I've seen a few old
> warehouses/factories that had floors like these. I thought they were
> bricks, but I learned they are actually pieces of wood butted together.
>
> I can't imagine anyone doing this for a new floor install unless doing a
> restoration of a building. Concrete is cheaper and more durable.
Somewhere on Charlie Belden's website are pictures from inside the shop
of a German WoodDorker. The floor is entirely made up of blocks of wood
wedged together end up and smoothed flat.
Like the streets of the old-town in many old cities there, but with wood
instead of stones.
er
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On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 01:33:15 -0400, "Upscale" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I was privileged today, to have Robin Lee give me an extensive tour of the
>new Lee Valley store in Toronto. The only thing I can say is that we're all
>doomed to the poor house.
I just wish they'd put in a store in Southern California and I'd
probably go bankrupt there. They've finally got a Rockler closer than
60 miles away. We're all deprived out here!
So, Charlie eventually grew up and found his way out of the Chocolate =
Factory, only to wander into Lee Valley in downtown Toronto! ;-))
This place sounds amazing Upscale, I'm over in London Ont in July, your =
recomend on wheelchair access means I can visit a 'DIY' store your side =
of the pond (damn only in town for 14 days!). Joy, bliss, deep joy! Oh =
heck .... consider the sales tax at UK immigration on my return? ;-o
John
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