I am looking for a compact portable table saw for some around the
house type jobs.
I am currently split on these 2 models.
Craftsman Professional 10-Inch Portable Table Saw 21829
Bosch 4100-09 10-Inch Worksite Table Saw with Gravity-Rise Stand
The Bosch reviews say it is built better
The Craftsman has a built in router mount.
Which I have a router that I don't use cause I don't have a good
table.
I am leaning towards the Bosch, but then I need a router table I will
need to buy and store. The Bosch route will cost more.
Are there any large negatives for either of these saws??
On Mar 20, 3:10 am, Puckdropper <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote innews:[email protected]:
>
>
>
> > "Dan Coby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> >> Yes, I did bitch about the cost but I paid it. The price was worth it
> >> to not have
> >> my mother worrying about her dryer being broken.
>
> > Noooooo kidding. Been there.
>
> The women type aren't really fans of turning knobs with pliers, are they?
> ;-)
>
Ah, yes. Some years ago...15, anyway...the shower adjuster on our
bathtub broke, that little center knob that lets you get wet and then
rinse the soap off. Given my knees, I almost never do tub baths, so I
clamped the smallest pair of ViseGrips on the shaft (I was busy doing
things other than making plumbing store runs), and promptly forgot it.
I mean, hell, it actually worked better than the fool knob. About two
weeks later, my wife was getting really mean about it, so I drove in
and got a replacement.
On Mar 19, 6:58=A0am, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mar 18, 8:18 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> > >I am looking for a compact portable table saw for some around the
> > > house type jobs.
> > > I am currently split on these 2 models.
>
> > > Craftsman Professional 10-Inch Portable Table Saw 21829
>
> > > Bosch 4100-09 10-Inch Worksite Table Saw with Gravity-Rise Stand
>
> > > The Bosch reviews say it is built better
> > > The Craftsman has a built in router mount.
> > > Which I have a router that I don't use cause I don't have a good
> > > table.
>
> > > I am leaning towards the Bosch, but then I need a router table I will
> > > need to buy and store. =A0The Bosch route will cost more.
> > > Are there any large negatives for either of these saws??
>
> > Negatives? =A0Noisy, perhaps too small on both counts. =A0 I would go wi=
th the
> > Bosch over the Craftsman. =A0The Craftsman may have the router feature b=
ut I
> > have never been a fan of sharing my cabinet saw with a router table.
>
> Sharing a tablesaw extension table is not a real problem for most of
> us, and if he's using a portable saw, it probably means space is
> valuable. Still, I liked the Bosch and its stand, though the Craftsman
> I tried some years ago was better than decent. Currently, I'm using
> the Ridgid with its stand, and, IMO, it and the Bosch are about tied
> for first place.
>
> Yeah, the motors are noisier than those in larger saws, but you go up
> in motor type, and you go up in weight and size. These are job site or
> portable saws, and are about 500% more accurate, durable and useful
> than the old lightweights. For the small shop, they are close to
> unbeatable.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I know its not one of your choices, but I just orderd the rigid
2400ls. It was 400 bucks delivered. 3 year warranty and the lifetime
service agreement. It has the foldup stand, and it seems to be a
really solid saw from what I saw at HD...
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Nova wrote:
>> Max wrote:
>>
>>> As for Sears having parts, they're twice the price of others and they become "obsolete" or "no
>>> longer available" quite soon.
>>> (try to find a "driver", part number N60057, for a Stanley Bostitch N60FN)
>>
>> I'm not a big fan of Sears but a Stanley Bostitch N60FN is not a Sears branded product. Bostitch
>> doesn't even list a part N60057 for a Bostitch N60FN. Why would you expect Sears to have it?
>
> And, for Sears-branded stuff, they're actually quite good about keeping parts for older stuff as
> compared to most others...
At Christmas time, I went to Sears to get a replacement knob for my mother's
Kenmore dryer. It is about 45 years old (and still running). I expected to get
laughed out of the store. However they were able to order a replacement
part. Of course they did charge over $30 (including a $5 order handling fee)
for a plastic knob.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Dan Coby" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>> At Christmas time, I went to Sears to get a replacement knob for my mother's
>> Kenmore dryer. It is about 45 years old (and still running). I expected to get
>> laughed out of the store. However they were able to order a replacement
>> part. Of course they did charge over $30 (including a $5 order handling fee)
>> for a plastic knob.
>>
>
> And when you paid that much, did they laugh then? :~)
Yes, I did bitch about the cost but I paid it. The price was worth it to not have
my mother worrying about her dryer being broken.
[email protected] wrote:
>> Arrgh . $43.85 ?
>> Stanley Bostitch has it for $27.00
>>
>> But thanks anyway. uh............... do you work for Sears? <BG>
>>
>> Max
>
> I know your j/k but no I'm not a Sears fanboy. I've just had to deal
> with them over the years. The TS has some sentimental value for being
> the same age as me... If I admit it's too old then I guess I'm,
> well....you know...
Never admit you're too old. I have a 12" Craftsman bandsaw and a scroll
saw (nee jigsaw)that are close to my age (68). They need parts made
from time to time and some TLC, but then so do I. All antiques are in
fine fettle thank you very much.
mahalo,
geezer jo4hn
[email protected] wrote:
> I am looking for a compact portable table saw for some around the
> house type jobs.
> I am currently split on these 2 models.
>
> Craftsman Professional 10-Inch Portable Table Saw 21829
>
> Bosch 4100-09 10-Inch Worksite Table Saw with Gravity-Rise Stand
>
> The Bosch reviews say it is built better
> The Craftsman has a built in router mount.
> Which I have a router that I don't use cause I don't have a good
> table.
>
> I am leaning towards the Bosch, but then I need a router table I will
> need to buy and store. The Bosch route will cost more.
> Are there any large negatives for either of these saws??
Generally speaking a tool designed to preform two separate functions
will not preform either function very well.
Nothing is more frustrating than a tool that almost works well.
Think 44 1/2 degree miters and a router that can be accurately
adjusted to 1/8 inch tolerances.
Their primary design function is to appear to be a good value.
LdB
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> "Dan Coby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Yes, I did bitch about the cost but I paid it. The price was worth it
>> to not have
>> my mother worrying about her dryer being broken.
>
>
> Noooooo kidding. Been there.
The women type aren't really fans of turning knobs with pliers, are they?
;-)
Puckdropper
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On Mar 18, 8:18 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> >I am looking for a compact portable table saw for some around the
> > house type jobs.
> > I am currently split on these 2 models.
>
> > Craftsman Professional 10-Inch Portable Table Saw 21829
>
> > Bosch 4100-09 10-Inch Worksite Table Saw with Gravity-Rise Stand
>
> > The Bosch reviews say it is built better
> > The Craftsman has a built in router mount.
> > Which I have a router that I don't use cause I don't have a good
> > table.
>
> > I am leaning towards the Bosch, but then I need a router table I will
> > need to buy and store. The Bosch route will cost more.
> > Are there any large negatives for either of these saws??
>
> Negatives? Noisy, perhaps too small on both counts. I would go with the
> Bosch over the Craftsman. The Craftsman may have the router feature but I
> have never been a fan of sharing my cabinet saw with a router table.
Sharing a tablesaw extension table is not a real problem for most of
us, and if he's using a portable saw, it probably means space is
valuable. Still, I liked the Bosch and its stand, though the Craftsman
I tried some years ago was better than decent. Currently, I'm using
the Ridgid with its stand, and, IMO, it and the Bosch are about tied
for first place.
Yeah, the motors are noisier than those in larger saws, but you go up
in motor type, and you go up in weight and size. These are job site or
portable saws, and are about 500% more accurate, durable and useful
than the old lightweights. For the small shop, they are close to
unbeatable.
"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:BFdEj.7310$rR1.6145@trndny09...
> Max wrote:
>
>> As for Sears having parts, they're twice the price of others and they
>> become "obsolete" or "no longer available" quite soon.
>> (try to find a "driver", part number N60057, for a Stanley Bostitch
>> N60FN)
>
> I'm not a big fan of Sears but a Stanley Bostitch N60FN is not a Sears
> branded product. Bostitch doesn't even list a part N60057 for a Bostitch
> N60FN. Why would you expect Sears to have it?
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
> [email protected]
I bought the nailer at Sears. It was on sale. They did have the part at one
time. I paid $40 plus for one. That's why I expected Sears to have it. I
learned later that I could get it from Stanley Bostitch for less than $30.
I expected Sears to have parts for a Craftsman band saw I once had but it
was "obsolete".
Sears had an enviable parts system at one time. It's no longer true.
(The N60057 has been replaced by part #N60059) I have one on back order.
I've been told that the part number changed because of problems with the
original part. Not durable enough.
Max
OK, here you go:
http://www.searspartsdirect.com/partsdirect/retrieveModelAction!retrieve.action?modelNumber=N60FN&method:retrieve=x&pop=flush
Scroll down and you'll see "Driver"
Sears is better about having parts than anyone I know of. My table
saw is a couple of months older than me (40 years) and I can order any
part that I need for it. Even when an original part is no longer
manufactured, Sears will find an alternate and sell that. For
example, I can't buy the original handles for blade adjustments but I
can buy a new hand wheel that's better than the original part. I've
also bought parts for a clothes dryer I had that was 57 years old. On
top of that, Sears has detailed drawings and manuals.
As for price, try buying parts for an old car, washing machine, stove
or any other durable good. Replacement parts have always been
expensive compared to what the manufacturer paid for them. The reason
is supply / demand, materials and additional cost of handling small
quantities. It's much cheaper to supply 5000 hand wheels to Emerson
Electric than it is to supply 1 to me or you.
Bosch parts take FOREVER to arrive and are unorderable after a few years. I
would go with the Craftsman, or look at a Delta or Rockwell. You can get
parts for any of them pretty easily.
I'm prejudiced because of bad experiences with Bosch portable tools. The
tools were fine when they worked, but when they broke, I was without them
for weeks while parts were shipped from God knows where. My Rockwell saw is
25 years old and still works as well as the day I bought it.
Sears is a good source for parts.
Regarding the router table feature... My experience is that if I buy a tool
with 2 functions, neither function works well. Buy yourself the best saw
you can, then build a router table. It's a simple project and a good thing
to build for practicing new techniques. Heck, you don't really care too
much about how good or bad it looks, so you can use scraps and try dovetails
for the drawers, etc. if you want to. If you don't want to practice, just
cut it out of plywood and nail it together. Throw some casters on it and
away you go. (Use 2 pieces of 3/4" melamine for the top and you're set.
Norm Abram had a nice plan and show on building a router table on the New
Yankee Workshop a while back.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I am looking for a compact portable table saw for some around the
> house type jobs.
> I am currently split on these 2 models.
>
> Craftsman Professional 10-Inch Portable Table Saw 21829
>
> Bosch 4100-09 10-Inch Worksite Table Saw with Gravity-Rise Stand
>
> The Bosch reviews say it is built better
> The Craftsman has a built in router mount.
> Which I have a router that I don't use cause I don't have a good
> table.
>
> I am leaning towards the Bosch, but then I need a router table I will
> need to buy and store. The Bosch route will cost more.
> Are there any large negatives for either of these saws??
<[email protected]> wrote in message
> The Craftsman has a built in router mount.
> Which I have a router that I don't use cause I don't have a good
> table.
>
And you still won't.
> I am leaning towards the Bosch,
So would I.
Max wrote:
> As for Sears having parts, they're twice the price of others and they
> become "obsolete" or "no longer available" quite soon.
> (try to find a "driver", part number N60057, for a Stanley Bostitch N60FN)
I'm not a big fan of Sears but a Stanley Bostitch N60FN is not a Sears
branded product. Bostitch doesn't even list a part N60057 for a
Bostitch N60FN. Why would you expect Sears to have it?
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
"Dan Coby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> At Christmas time, I went to Sears to get a replacement knob for my
> mother's
> Kenmore dryer. It is about 45 years old (and still running). I expected to
> get
> laughed out of the store. However they were able to order a replacement
> part. Of course they did charge over $30 (including a $5 order handling
> fee)
> for a plastic knob.
>
And when you paid that much, did they laugh then? :~) Some things are
worth the price. I just paid $97.00 when having a tire, with 5600 miles on
it, repaired on my 07 Tundra. I saw a bolt sticking out of the tread and
Discount Tire offered a road hazard warranty for all 4 tires that came on
the truck. A new tire for that truck is about $250. That hole could have
easily been over 2" and I would have been buying a new tire.
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I am looking for a compact portable table saw for some around the
> house type jobs.
> I am currently split on these 2 models.
>
> Craftsman Professional 10-Inch Portable Table Saw 21829
>
> Bosch 4100-09 10-Inch Worksite Table Saw with Gravity-Rise Stand
Bosch or DeWalt, but I'd pass on Craftsman.
Also, take a look at the NYW web site.
A few years ago, Norm built a knock apart table for a compact saw that just
might interest you.
Have fun.
Lew
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I am looking for a compact portable table saw for some around the
> house type jobs.
> I am currently split on these 2 models.
>
> Craftsman Professional 10-Inch Portable Table Saw 21829
>
> Bosch 4100-09 10-Inch Worksite Table Saw with Gravity-Rise Stand
>
> The Bosch reviews say it is built better
> The Craftsman has a built in router mount.
> Which I have a router that I don't use cause I don't have a good
> table.
>
> I am leaning towards the Bosch, but then I need a router table I will
> need to buy and store. The Bosch route will cost more.
> Are there any large negatives for either of these saws??
Negatives? Noisy, perhaps too small on both counts. I would go with the
Bosch over the Craftsman. The Craftsman may have the router feature but I
have never been a fan of sharing my cabinet saw with a router table.
[email protected] wrote in news:206a6e5d-9877-4ef0-ba7b-7a97cc955605
@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
> I am looking for a compact portable table saw for some around the
> house type jobs.
> I am currently split on these 2 models.
>
> Craftsman Professional 10-Inch Portable Table Saw 21829
>
> Bosch 4100-09 10-Inch Worksite Table Saw with Gravity-Rise Stand
>
> The Bosch reviews say it is built better
> The Craftsman has a built in router mount.
> Which I have a router that I don't use cause I don't have a good
> table.
>
> I am leaning towards the Bosch, but then I need a router table I will
> need to buy and store. The Bosch route will cost more.
> Are there any large negatives for either of these saws??
I have the Bosch, and for me it was the best way to go, I don't have a
whole lot of space, and with the gravity rise stand, you can fold it up
and move it up next to a wall...
The factory settings were really close, and any adjustments are made
from -outside- the saw....and it has a riving knife...
The factory blade made for a rough cut, but I had a nice Freud from my
old saw ( Craftsman Contractors saw that was just too big ) and once
replaced the saw cuts wonderfully...just a pass or two with a smoother
and the saw marks are gone....
Hope this helps...
>
> Arrgh . $43.85 ?
> Stanley Bostitch has it for $27.00
>
> But thanks anyway. uh............... do you work for Sears? <BG>
>
> Max
I know your j/k but no I'm not a Sears fanboy. I've just had to deal
with them over the years. The TS has some sentimental value for being
the same age as me... If I admit it's too old then I guess I'm,
well....you know...
On Mar 19, 2:44=A0pm, "Max" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I just looked at the Ridgid saw this morning and that would be my choice
> also.
I have one. Within its limitation of weight, size and big horsepower,
it is wonderful. I don't go on an installation without it on the truck.
On Mar 18, 9:54=A0pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > The Craftsman has a built in router mount.
> > Which I have a router that I don't use cause I don't have a good
> > table.
>
> And you still won't.
>
> > I am leaning towards the Bosch,
>
> So would I.
I'm sure that Bosch would be fine too.
On Mar 18, 8:18=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
> but I
> have never been a fan of sharing my cabinet saw with a router table.
Why is that, Leon? I have built a few saws for myself and others.
Starting off with a decent cabinet saw, add a Biesemeier T-square
fence and take out one of the extension tables and make it into a
router platform. The Bies services both the saw and the router on both
sides of the blade/bit. Compact and useful.
Nova wrote:
> Max wrote:
>
>> As for Sears having parts, they're twice the price of others and they
>> become "obsolete" or "no longer available" quite soon.
>> (try to find a "driver", part number N60057, for a Stanley Bostitch
>> N60FN)
>
> I'm not a big fan of Sears but a Stanley Bostitch N60FN is not a Sears
> branded product. Bostitch doesn't even list a part N60057 for a
> Bostitch N60FN. Why would you expect Sears to have it?
And, for Sears-branded stuff, they're actually quite good about keeping
parts for older stuff as compared to most others...
--
Dan Coby wrote:
...
> At Christmas time, I went to Sears to get a replacement knob for my mother's
> Kenmore dryer. It is about 45 years old (and still running). I expected to get
> laughed out of the store. However they were able to order a replacement
> part. Of course they did charge over $30 (including a $5 order handling fee)
> for a plastic knob.
...
That kind of stuff is expensive anywhere and for almost anything --
replaced a plastic corner decorative piece on the GE electric range--$30
or so from even the cheapest online places. Of course, it looks much
better w/ the thing fixed and that's a pittance compared to the price of
the range (which has at least one desirable feature no longer available
by any manufacturer I'm aware of).
--
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Mar 18, 8:18 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
> but I
> have never been a fan of sharing my cabinet saw with a router table.
Why is that, Leon? I have built a few saws for myself and others.
Starting off with a decent cabinet saw, add a Biesemeier T-square
fence and take out one of the extension tables and make it into a
router platform. The Bies services both the saw and the router on both
sides of the blade/bit. Compact and useful.
Becauseeeee, I like to leave my router set up and it can get in the way if I
want to have the fence over the router bit. I have a dedicated router
table. Additionally my saw is on a mobile base and it moves easily from the
extension end and that end would not stay still. The router also takes up
storage space under the saw which I use for all the stuff. ;~) Personal
preference.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:837fd7ca-d439-4c58-8912-c0cb51146f79@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> OK, here you go:
>
> http://www.searspartsdirect.com/partsdirect/retrieveModelAction!retrieve.action?modelNumber=N60FN&method:retrieve=x&pop=flush
>
> Scroll down and you'll see "Driver"
>
> Sears is better about having parts than anyone I know of. My table
> saw is a couple of months older than me (40 years) and I can order any
> part that I need for it. Even when an original part is no longer
> manufactured, Sears will find an alternate and sell that. For
> example, I can't buy the original handles for blade adjustments but I
> can buy a new hand wheel that's better than the original part. I've
> also bought parts for a clothes dryer I had that was 57 years old. On
> top of that, Sears has detailed drawings and manuals.
Arrgh . $43.85 ?
Stanley Bostitch has it for $27.00
But thanks anyway. uh............... do you work for Sears? <BG>
Max
"depictureboy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Mar 19, 6:58 am, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mar 18, 8:18 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> > >I am looking for a compact portable table saw for some around the
> > > house type jobs.
> > > I am currently split on these 2 models.
>
> > > Craftsman Professional 10-Inch Portable Table Saw 21829
>
> > > Bosch 4100-09 10-Inch Worksite Table Saw with Gravity-Rise Stand
>
> > > The Bosch reviews say it is built better
> > > The Craftsman has a built in router mount.
> > > Which I have a router that I don't use cause I don't have a good
> > > table.
>
> > > I am leaning towards the Bosch, but then I need a router table I will
> > > need to buy and store. The Bosch route will cost more.
> > > Are there any large negatives for either of these saws??
>I know its not one of your choices, but I just orderd the rigid
>2400ls. It was 400 bucks delivered. 3 year warranty and the lifetime
>service agreement. It has the foldup stand, and it seems to be a
>really solid saw from what I saw at HD..
I just looked at the Ridgid saw this morning and that would be my choice
also.
As for Sears having parts, they're twice the price of others and they become
"obsolete" or "no longer available" quite soon.
(try to find a "driver", part number N60057, for a Stanley Bostitch N60FN)
Max
"Dan Coby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Dan Coby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>
>>> At Christmas time, I went to Sears to get a replacement knob for my
>>> mother's
>>> Kenmore dryer. It is about 45 years old (and still running). I expected
>>> to get
>>> laughed out of the store. However they were able to order a replacement
>>> part. Of course they did charge over $30 (including a $5 order handling
>>> fee)
>>> for a plastic knob.
>>>
>>
>> And when you paid that much, did they laugh then? :~)
>
> Yes, I did bitch about the cost but I paid it. The price was worth it to
> not have
> my mother worrying about her dryer being broken.
Noooooo kidding. Been there.
"Dan Coby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> Nova wrote:
>>> Max wrote:
>>>
>>>> As for Sears having parts, they're twice the price of others and they
>>>> become "obsolete" or "no longer available" quite soon.
>>>> (try to find a "driver", part number N60057, for a Stanley Bostitch
>>>> N60FN)
>>>
>>> I'm not a big fan of Sears but a Stanley Bostitch N60FN is not a Sears
>>> branded product. Bostitch doesn't even list a part N60057 for a
>>> Bostitch N60FN. Why would you expect Sears to have it?
>>
>> And, for Sears-branded stuff, they're actually quite good about keeping
>> parts for older stuff as compared to most others...
>
> At Christmas time, I went to Sears to get a replacement knob for my
> mother's
> Kenmore dryer. It is about 45 years old (and still running). I expected to
> get
> laughed out of the store. However they were able to order a replacement
> part. Of course they did charge over $30 (including a $5 order handling
> fee)
> for a plastic knob.
>
I had to replace the little arm in a Kenmore ice maker. It's a piece of
wire. Cost $12.00 plus $9.00 shipping/handling.
Max