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Robert

09/12/2003 2:51 AM

Jointer coplaner help


After waiting for many years I finally took the plunge and bought a
Delta 195 6" jointer a few months ago but since then I've been
trying to set it up properly with limited success. I found a web site
suggesting the two tables have to be leveled with each other - co-
planer they call it.

One or both of the tables are sagging and no amount of fiddling with
the gib adjustment screws seems to help - I tried pulling up the
table ends while adjusting as per Delta's instructions but they still
sag. I've tightened the screws until the tables are too stiff to be
adjusted but no better. Do these tables come off for internal
adjustments? Should I be having these problems with a new jointer? Is
it possible this jointer is defective ?

Any input would be much appreciated

Robert


This topic has 7 replies

BA

Bay Area Dave

in reply to Robert on 09/12/2003 2:51 AM

09/12/2003 4:44 PM

I know what a Piggly-Wiggly is!

I hope you weren't hitting on them.

dave

Unisaw A100 wrote:

> Bowel Area Dave wrote:
>
>>Not everyone that posts here knows the band saw saga...
>
>
>
> I'm pretty certain they do. In fact, the other day I was on
> line at the Pigg-a-ly Wigg-a-ly (Like Von's only without the
> strikers Paddy) and there were these two old wimmen (looked
> to be in their 80's), even they knew about it.
>
> UA100

BA

Bay Area Dave

in reply to Robert on 09/12/2003 2:51 AM

09/12/2003 3:22 AM



Robert wrote:

> After waiting for many years I finally took the plunge and bought a
> Delta 195 6" jointer a few months ago but since then I've been
> trying to set it up properly with limited success. I found a web site
> suggesting the two tables have to be leveled with each other - co-
> planer they call it.
>
> One or both of the tables are sagging and no amount of fiddling with
> the gib adjustment screws seems to help - I tried pulling up the
> table ends while adjusting as per Delta's instructions but they still
> sag. I've tightened the screws until the tables are too stiff to be
> adjusted but no better. Do these tables come off for internal
> adjustments? Should I be having these problems with a new jointer?

NO!
Is
> it possible this jointer is defective ?

Yes.
>
> Any input would be much appreciated

get a refund or get a replacement.

You shouldn't have to struggle with a jointer other than to set height
of outfeed table, make sure all blades are the same height and parallel
to the table, and tension the belt. Everything else should be good to
go. Sounds like the jointer version of the Delta band saw I had, which
I did get a refund on after wasting too many hours trying to make it
work properly. I'd suggest a Powermatic if you can get them to give you
a refund. Otherwise demand a replacement.

dave
>
> Robert

TK

"Tom Kohlman"

in reply to Robert on 09/12/2003 2:51 AM

09/12/2003 3:49 AM

Dave

You are jumping the gun on this one. #1, what is he using to check
"co-planer"? Not too many people spend the $$$ to get a straight edge that
can tell him if he has a problem or not. #2, even if he has a true straight
edge, he doesn't say how much out of "co-planer" he is. #3 he bought a
Delta 6" probably spending under $500 yet expecting perfection (on that
point I'll add that I own one and love it...it's not perfect but I realize
I'm working with wood which maybe perfect now but just wait 5 minutes after
machining it and it won't be). Minor imperfections will certainly be
handled by glue and moderate clamping pressure.

More facts needed before you send him back to Delta for a replacement. And
you need to let the bandsaw story go. It's getting rather old. If not a
case of spending less than $500 and expecting perfection (BTW I have one of
those too and love it also), then perhaps you got the occasional dog. But
time to realize that "perfection" comes with $5,000 or more per machine. All
just IMHO of course.


"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Robert wrote:
>
> > After waiting for many years I finally took the plunge and bought a
> > Delta 195 6" jointer a few months ago but since then I've been
> > trying to set it up properly with limited success. I found a web site
> > suggesting the two tables have to be leveled with each other - co-
> > planer they call it.
> >
> > One or both of the tables are sagging and no amount of fiddling with
> > the gib adjustment screws seems to help - I tried pulling up the
> > table ends while adjusting as per Delta's instructions but they still
> > sag. I've tightened the screws until the tables are too stiff to be
> > adjusted but no better. Do these tables come off for internal
> > adjustments? Should I be having these problems with a new jointer?
>
> NO!
> Is
> > it possible this jointer is defective ?
>
> Yes.
> >
> > Any input would be much appreciated
>
> get a refund or get a replacement.
>
> You shouldn't have to struggle with a jointer other than to set height
> of outfeed table, make sure all blades are the same height and parallel
> to the table, and tension the belt. Everything else should be good to
> go. Sounds like the jointer version of the Delta band saw I had, which
> I did get a refund on after wasting too many hours trying to make it
> work properly. I'd suggest a Powermatic if you can get them to give you
> a refund. Otherwise demand a replacement.
>
> dave
> >
> > Robert
>

tT

in reply to "Tom Kohlman" on 09/12/2003 3:49 AM

09/12/2003 4:14 AM

A good book "The care and maintenance of shop machines" by John White (I think,
I'd have to run down to the gara..uuh.. shop) will tell you all you need to
know. It'll show you how to build a "master bar" set that can be as exact as
any mondo-expensive machinist's straightedge, then set you on the path to
fixing any probs that show up. Tom
>Robert wrote:
>>
>> > After waiting for many years I finally took the plunge and bought a
>> > Delta 195 6" jointer a few months ago but since then I've been
>> > trying to set it up properly with limited success. I found a web site
>> > suggesting the two tables have to be leveled with each other - co-
>> > planer they call it.
>> >
>> > One or both of the tables are sagging and no amount of fiddling with
>> > the gib adjustment screws seems to help - I tried pulling up the
>> > table ends while adjusting as per Delta's instructions but they still
>> > sag. I've tightened the screws until the tables are too stiff to be
>> > adjusted but no better. Do these tables come off for internal
>> > adjustments? Should I be having these problems with a new jointer?

Someday, it'll all be over....

JD

"James D Kountz"

in reply to Robert on 09/12/2003 2:51 AM

09/12/2003 1:39 PM

And those two wimmen told two wimmen who told two wimmen...............

Jim


"Unisaw A100" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Bowel Area Dave wrote:
> >Not everyone that posts here knows the band saw saga...
>
>
> I'm pretty certain they do. In fact, the other day I was on
> line at the Pigg-a-ly Wigg-a-ly (Like Von's only without the
> strikers Paddy) and there were these two old wimmen (looked
> to be in their 80's), even they knew about it.
>
> UA100

BA

Bay Area Dave

in reply to Robert on 09/12/2003 2:51 AM

09/12/2003 5:03 AM

When I buy something that doesn't work as advertised, it either goes
back for a refund or a replacement. End of story on that score. Not
everyone that posts here knows the band saw saga...


dave

Tom Kohlman wrote:

> Dave
>
> You are jumping the gun on this one. #1, what is he using to check
> "co-planer"? Not too many people spend the $$$ to get a straight edge that
> can tell him if he has a problem or not. #2, even if he has a true straight
> edge, he doesn't say how much out of "co-planer" he is. #3 he bought a
> Delta 6" probably spending under $500 yet expecting perfection (on that
> point I'll add that I own one and love it...it's not perfect but I realize
> I'm working with wood which maybe perfect now but just wait 5 minutes after
> machining it and it won't be). Minor imperfections will certainly be
> handled by glue and moderate clamping pressure.
>
> More facts needed before you send him back to Delta for a replacement. And
> you need to let the bandsaw story go. It's getting rather old. If not a
> case of spending less than $500 and expecting perfection (BTW I have one of
> those too and love it also), then perhaps you got the occasional dog. But
> time to realize that "perfection" comes with $5,000 or more per machine. All
> just IMHO of course.
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>>Robert wrote:
>>
>>
>>>After waiting for many years I finally took the plunge and bought a
>>>Delta 195 6" jointer a few months ago but since then I've been
>>>trying to set it up properly with limited success. I found a web site
>>>suggesting the two tables have to be leveled with each other - co-
>>>planer they call it.
>>>
>>>One or both of the tables are sagging and no amount of fiddling with
>>>the gib adjustment screws seems to help - I tried pulling up the
>>>table ends while adjusting as per Delta's instructions but they still
>>>sag. I've tightened the screws until the tables are too stiff to be
>>>adjusted but no better. Do these tables come off for internal
>>>adjustments? Should I be having these problems with a new jointer?
>>
>>NO!
>> Is
>>
>>>it possible this jointer is defective ?
>>
>>Yes.
>>
>>>Any input would be much appreciated
>>
>>get a refund or get a replacement.
>>
>>You shouldn't have to struggle with a jointer other than to set height
>>of outfeed table, make sure all blades are the same height and parallel
>>to the table, and tension the belt. Everything else should be good to
>>go. Sounds like the jointer version of the Delta band saw I had, which
>>I did get a refund on after wasting too many hours trying to make it
>>work properly. I'd suggest a Powermatic if you can get them to give you
>>a refund. Otherwise demand a replacement.
>>
>>dave
>>
>>>Robert
>>
>
>

UA

Unisaw A100

in reply to Robert on 09/12/2003 2:51 AM

09/12/2003 10:25 AM

Bowel Area Dave wrote:
>Not everyone that posts here knows the band saw saga...


I'm pretty certain they do. In fact, the other day I was on
line at the Pigg-a-ly Wigg-a-ly (Like Von's only without the
strikers Paddy) and there were these two old wimmen (looked
to be in their 80's), even they knew about it.

UA100


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