We had some coat "cubbies" made for our back entry. They are somewhat
similar to the product shown here:
http://www.bizchair.com/sonoma-el-3369-1-pp.html.
In that photo, how did they mount the hooks on the inside walls? There
is 3/4" white MDF separating each cubby, and I can't imagine that two
5/8" screws in MDF will hold enough weight for a coat hook. I saw the
"connector bolts" at Rockler
(http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=368), but they are too long.
I have a feeling that I'm making this too complicated. Any ideas out
there?
thanks,
Robert Jones
On 2 Jun 2006 00:00:37 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>I have a feeling that I'm making this too complicated. Any ideas out
>there?
Carriage bolt on the back side with an acorn nut on the hook side.
That way you've got a nice smooth low-profile head on the opposite
side, and it's a little larger, so it will distribute the wieght
better. If they end up being used like my wife likes to use coat
hooks, you'll need the extra surface area. I could never figure out
why there had to be 2 purses, 3 coats, and a lunchbox on one hook, but
I guess that's what she likes.
>I can't imagine that two 5/8" screws in MDF will hold enough weight for a coat hook.
Just because some commercial outfit used a couple insufficient screws
doesn't make it the best thing to do.
I agree with a previous poster - my first thought was drilling all the
way through and using machine screws and nuts (countersunk and capped
if you like - see fastcap.com for capping "stickers"). I think I like
the T-nut idea even better. I think either of these would definitely
give you sufficient strength, but they might not be the most elegant
options. However, I'm not sure there is an elegant solution - it seems
to me that almost any fastener that doesn't protrude all the way
through the wall of the MDF cubby would not be strong enough to last
very long.
Good luck,
Andy
Thanks for all of the good ideas. I'll look into the different
options. I was planning on drilling all the way through the inside
panels and connecting a hook on each side. That's why I was looking at
the connector bolts. The next best option seems the threaded rod with
acorn nuts. If I mount each hook separately (instead of directly back
to back), then the T-nuts make sense.
Andy wrote:
> >I can't imagine that two 5/8" screws in MDF will hold enough weight for a coat hook.
>
> Just because some commercial outfit used a couple insufficient screws
> doesn't make it the best thing to do.
> I agree with a previous poster - my first thought was drilling all the
> way through and using machine screws and nuts (countersunk and capped
> if you like - see fastcap.com for capping "stickers"). I think I like
> the T-nut idea even better. I think either of these would definitely
> give you sufficient strength, but they might not be the most elegant
> options. However, I'm not sure there is an elegant solution - it seems
> to me that almost any fastener that doesn't protrude all the way
> through the wall of the MDF cubby would not be strong enough to last
> very long.
> Good luck,
> Andy
I would put this to the test. My suspicion is that if you were to drill and
tap the MDF you could fasten it with machine screws and you would be just
fine.
Try it on a piece of scrap, and then load the hook to failure. The results
will probably surprise you.
Seems to me a heavy coat would be no more than 5 pounds, I bet the machine
screws in the MDF would be good to at least 50 pounds.
If you really wanted it stronger, you could also put a dab of epoxy behind
the hook, but if the hook ever needed to be replaced this would be trouble.
--
Roger Shoaf
If knowledge is power, and power corrupts, what does this say about the
Congress?
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> We had some coat "cubbies" made for our back entry. They are somewhat
> similar to the product shown here:
> http://www.bizchair.com/sonoma-el-3369-1-pp.html.
>
> In that photo, how did they mount the hooks on the inside walls? There
> is 3/4" white MDF separating each cubby, and I can't imagine that two
> 5/8" screws in MDF will hold enough weight for a coat hook. I saw the
> "connector bolts" at Rockler
> (http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=368), but they are too long.
>
> I have a feeling that I'm making this too complicated. Any ideas out
> there?
>
> thanks,
> Robert Jones
>
"Roger Shoaf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I would put this to the test. My suspicion is that if you were to drill
and
> tap the MDF you could fasten it with machine screws and you would be just
> fine.
>
> Try it on a piece of scrap, and then load the hook to failure. The
results
> will probably surprise you.
>
> Seems to me a heavy coat would be no more than 5 pounds, I bet the machine
> screws in the MDF would be good to at least 50 pounds.
>
> If you really wanted it stronger, you could also put a dab of epoxy behind
> the hook, but if the hook ever needed to be replaced this would be
trouble.
>
The MDF would not maintain the integrity of the threads cut into it over
time, or with any strain.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
I can think of two off hand. T-nuts and/or through holes with a
threaded sleeve.
On 2 Jun 2006 00:00:37 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>We had some coat "cubbies" made for our back entry. They are somewhat
>similar to the product shown here:
>http://www.bizchair.com/sonoma-el-3369-1-pp.html.
>
>In that photo, how did they mount the hooks on the inside walls? There
>is 3/4" white MDF separating each cubby, and I can't imagine that two
>5/8" screws in MDF will hold enough weight for a coat hook. I saw the
>"connector bolts" at Rockler
>(http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=368), but they are too long.
>
>I have a feeling that I'm making this too complicated. Any ideas out
>there?
>
>thanks,
>Robert Jones
>[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> We had some coat "cubbies" made for our back entry. They are somewhat
> similar to the product shown here:
> http://www.bizchair.com/sonoma-el-3369-1-pp.html.
>
> In that photo, how did they mount the hooks on the inside walls? There
> is 3/4" white MDF separating each cubby, and I can't imagine that two
> 5/8" screws in MDF will hold enough weight for a coat hook. I saw the
> "connector bolts" at Rockler
> (http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=368), but they are too long.
Could you cut the bolts down a bit? Or anothewr place that seems to always
have the "bolt" I am looking for is:
http://www.fastenal.com/web/home.ex
If you have a local store you can go and look or just call them off the web
site. I hope this helps.
>
> I have a feeling that I'm making this too complicated. Any ideas out
> there?
>
> thanks,
> Robert Jones
Al
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@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> We had some coat "cubbies" made for our back entry. They are somewhat
> similar to the product shown here:
> http://www.bizchair.com/sonoma-el-3369-1-pp.html.
>
> In that photo, how did they mount the hooks on the inside walls? There
> is 3/4" white MDF separating each cubby, and I can't imagine that two
> 5/8" screws in MDF will hold enough weight for a coat hook. I saw the
> "connector bolts" at Rockler
> (http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=368), but they are too long.
>
> I have a feeling that I'm making this too complicated. Any ideas out
> there?
>
> thanks,
> Robert Jones
>
Inside wall coat hooks? If it were me I would drill holes all the way
through and use machine screws and nuts. Want fancy? 10-32 threaded rod
with acorn nuts.
Outside wall coat hooks? I would use a forstner bit to cut a recess and
put a t-nut in the recess and then plug the hole. Sure you will likely see
the plugs if you look close but there is no other way to get maximum
strength for the coat hooks.
On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 14:41:51 GMT, "Al" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> We had some coat "cubbies" made for our back entry. They are somewhat
>> similar to the product shown here:
>> In that photo, how did they mount the hooks on the inside walls? There
>> is 3/4" white MDF separating each cubby, and I can't imagine that two
>> 5/8" screws in MDF will hold enough weight for a coat hook.
First of all, I wouldn't have had them made out of MDF.
That said, I've used the stuff, and where I needed screw-connections,
I plunge-routed a clean 1" hole part way, then glued in a piece of 1"
hardwood dowelling. Then I pre-drilled and screwed into that.
A better option initially would have been to have a complete strip of
hardwood separated by MDF top and bottom, and screw into that. The
MDF and hardwood would be biscuit-joined and glued. The hardwood
could be slightly thicker and mitered edges would make it look good as
well as being more functional.
Option 3. A thinner hardwood panel both sides, bolted through at the
ends and glued onto the MDF would lend support.