... okay, so it's no biggie. A fellow I work with is building a
firetruck as an envelope holder for a neighbor firefighter who's
getting married in May and asked if I could make four wheels for him.
1&1/8 thick by 4&1/4 diameter. Going to be painted. I'm thinking to
glue some 3/4 and 3/8 MDF together to get the thickness, rough them out
on the band saw, clean them up with a template taped to them on the
router table. No biggie.
But he wants the outside to show a hub, which means routing out a ring
inside each wheel. I was thinking I'd drill two holes in the router
base in the table for a pin and use a straght bit, but starting the cut
seems to me a rather dangerous idea.
Is there a safe way to do that? The other option (safer) is to build a
jig and use the plunge router, rotating the wheel under the bit. The
whole job is only worth $40, but it's a learning experience so I don't
really care about the money. OTOH, that's not much budget to justify
buying a new tool.
The other option would be to turn them on the lathe... but my turning
skills aren't such that I'm confident in being even close to
duplicating the other three. Again, it would be a learning/practice
experience.
Suggestions from the gallery are most welcome.
djb
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Use a rosette cutter in the drill press and then use the center point as a
guide to cut out circles on a band saw. Then bullnose the outside edge. Or
just go and buy some corner blocks that are pre done and glue them together
and then cut them out the same.
"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:020320041926466463%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
> ... okay, so it's no biggie. A fellow I work with is building a
> firetruck as an envelope holder for a neighbor firefighter who's
> getting married in May and asked if I could make four wheels for him.
>
> 1&1/8 thick by 4&1/4 diameter. Going to be painted. I'm thinking to
> glue some 3/4 and 3/8 MDF together to get the thickness, rough them out
> on the band saw, clean them up with a template taped to them on the
> router table. No biggie.
>
> But he wants the outside to show a hub, which means routing out a ring
> inside each wheel. I was thinking I'd drill two holes in the router
> base in the table for a pin and use a straght bit, but starting the cut
> seems to me a rather dangerous idea.
>
> Is there a safe way to do that? The other option (safer) is to build a
> jig and use the plunge router, rotating the wheel under the bit. The
> whole job is only worth $40, but it's a learning experience so I don't
> really care about the money. OTOH, that's not much budget to justify
> buying a new tool.
>
> The other option would be to turn them on the lathe... but my turning
> skills aren't such that I'm confident in being even close to
> duplicating the other three. Again, it would be a learning/practice
> experience.
>
> Suggestions from the gallery are most welcome.
>
> djb
>
> --
> Is it time to change my sig line yet?
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:59:46 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>So I was thinking a disk (roughed out then cut with a pattern bit in
>the router), then routing a depression about 3/4" wide, in about 1/2"
>from the outside diameter, leaving central hub 1 & 3/4".
>
>djb
That would be how I would do it as well.
Barry
In article <[email protected]>, B a r r y
<[email protected]> wrote:
> You could drill a large hole with a forstner bit, or rough out the
> hole with a jig or scroll saw. With MDF, I'd probably just drill a
> big hole and start there. You could make one by hand and use a
> pattern bit and carpet tape to make the others.
I'm not sure I follow... Maybe my description was lousy.
He wants the effect of a tire mounted on a rim, with a hub in the
center, but we're not talking spokes. They'll be solid disks.
So I was thinking a disk (roughed out then cut with a pattern bit in
the router), then routing a depression about 3/4" wide, in about 1/2"
from the outside diameter, leaving central hub 1 & 3/4".
djb
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In article <%Ja1c.120252$Hy3.15632@edtnps89>, Chris Melanson
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Use a rosette cutter in the drill press and then use the center point as a
> guide to cut out circles on a band saw. Then bullnose the outside edge.
I don't have a circle cutter but maybe that's the tool I buy. I was
planning on bullnosing the outside, but it's routing out the ring
around the hub that I'm trying to figure out.
djb
--
Is it time to change my sig line yet?
In article <Gob1c.120333$Hy3.22457@edtnps89>, Chris Melanson
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Here are a couple of links for you please take a look . Like they say a
> picture is worth a thosand words. Hopefully I could be of some help.
>
>
> http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/smarthtml/pages/rosette.
> htm
>
> http://www.right-tool.com/romcar218ros.html
I didn't even know such things existed...
Mind you, at $60 US that's a lot more than the $40 CAD I'd get for the
job, but I'll check some local shops and see what's available.
Thanks!
djb
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In article <nUb1c.120369$Hy3.112173@edtnps89>, Chris Melanson
<[email protected]> wrote:
> You can go to your local Hardware store IE Home depot ,Rona or lumberland
> and just buy the corner blocks that are pre cut with the rosette centers and
> then cut them in to circles instead of squares to make wheels this might be
> the cheapest way of obtaining what you need with out having to buy any
> tools.
Good thought. I'll czech it out tomorrow.
djb
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In article <[email protected]>,
DexAZ <[email protected]> wrote:
> Many of the back issues of both Wood & Woodsmith have had articles on
> various toy truck/road building machines. (see: Fat Cats series in WOOD
> mag) They also showed many ways of creating different wheels. Might be
> worth a little research in some of these old issues.
Thanks.
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In article <[email protected]>, Sir Edgar
<[email protected]> wrote:
> But he wants the outside to show a hub, which means routing out a ring
> inside each wheel. I was thinking I'd drill two holes in the router base
> in the table for a pin and use a straght bit, but starting the cut seems
> to me a rather dangerous idea.
That's what I'm after, but I can't think of any way to start the cut
safely either.
I'm now thinking a jig to hold the wheel on the bench and coming at it
from above with the plunge router is the way to go.
djb
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In article <[email protected]>, Tom Watson
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Does it look like what I've posted on ABPW under the heading "Wheel"?
I haven't seen his plans yet, but I'm sure it will work.
Tenjewberrymuch for the post. Clears the brain and gives me an excuse
to buy a larger size forstner or two.
You da man, eh?
djb
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In article <[email protected]>, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Or cheat and buy some ready-made wheels online.
He tried. Can't find the diameter he needs in Canada.
djb
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In article <[email protected]>, Edwin
Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> Can he buy them in inches and turn them down on a lathe that does metric
> diameters?
Apparently not. 4-1/4" is what he needs and they don't seem to be
readily available at that size or larger.
I think we've got a workable plan now, though... and I have an excuse
to buy a couple of big forstner bits. ;-)
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Dave wrote:
Group: rec.woodworking Date: Tue, Mar 2, 2004, 7:26pm (EST-1) From:
dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca (Dave=A0Balderstone)
<snip>
But he wants the outside to show a hub, which means routing out a ring
inside each wheel. I was thinking I'd drill two holes in the router base
in the table for a pin and use a straght bit, but starting the cut seems
to me a rather dangerous idea.
<snip>
******************************************************
I make rings and disks quite often on my shaper/router, using the pin in
the hole method. I place the work on the table first and then raise the
straight bit slowly a small amount at a time.
Peace ~ Sir Edgar
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=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8
On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 10:13:37 -0800, "mp" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> That fire truck sure would look nice made of ash, maple, or birch and
>> stained with red Solar Klux. <G>
>
>Is that the stain with the pointed white hood?
>
It's the one that can't get along with the stains of other colors.
<G>
Barry
Here are a couple of links for you please take a look . Like they say a
picture is worth a thosand words. Hopefully I could be of some help.
http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/smarthtml/pages/rosette.htm
http://www.right-tool.com/romcar218ros.html
"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:020320042001231104%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
> In article <%Ja1c.120252$Hy3.15632@edtnps89>, Chris Melanson
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Use a rosette cutter in the drill press and then use the center point as
a
> > guide to cut out circles on a band saw. Then bullnose the outside edge.
>
> I don't have a circle cutter but maybe that's the tool I buy. I was
> planning on bullnosing the outside, but it's routing out the ring
> around the hub that I'm trying to figure out.
>
> djb
>
> --
> Is it time to change my sig line yet?
In article <020320041959465250%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca>,
Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, B a r r y
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> You could drill a large hole with a forstner bit, or rough out the
>> hole with a jig or scroll saw. With MDF, I'd probably just drill a
>> big hole and start there. You could make one by hand and use a
>> pattern bit and carpet tape to make the others.
>
>I'm not sure I follow... Maybe my description was lousy.
>
>He wants the effect of a tire mounted on a rim, with a hub in the
>center, but we're not talking spokes. They'll be solid disks.
>
>So I was thinking a disk (roughed out then cut with a pattern bit in
>the router), then routing a depression about 3/4" wide, in about 1/2"
>from the outside diameter, leaving central hub 1 & 3/4".
>
Then there's the 'reverse psychology' approach -- make a flat disk
for the core wheel. drill a _big_ hole with a Forstner bit, in the
center of it. (this gives you the 'rim' round the wheel. Now, drill a
medium-size hole in the center of the big one. stick a chunk of dowel in
*that* hole. cut it off proud of the disk.
Voila! raised tire/rim, with a protruding 'hub'.
To get really fancy, use a "rosette cutter", instead of the forstner bit.
B a r r y wrote:
>>> That fire truck sure would look nice made of ash, maple, or birch and
>>> stained with red Solar Klux. <G>
>>
>>Is that the stain with the pointed white hood?
>>
> It's the one that can't get along with the stains of other colors.
> <G>
Or stains manufactured in Israel.
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Dave Balderstone wrote:
> He wants the effect of a tire mounted on a rim, with a hub in the
> center, but we're not talking spokes. They'll be solid disks.
Start with a square piece of wood. Use a Forstner to hollow out the "hub"
area. Using the center thus marked, cut the outside with a hole saw or fly
cutter. Glue a dowel stub into the hole to produce the "hub." If you want
the rim rounded over, maybe a roundover and router, but you could probably
just as easily chuck a wheel in your drill press or lathe and round it with
rasps/sandpaper/etc.
Or cheat and buy some ready-made wheels online. ;)
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
You can go to your local Hardware store IE Home depot ,Rona or lumberland
and just buy the corner blocks that are pre cut with the rosette centers and
then cut them in to circles instead of squares to make wheels this might be
the cheapest way of obtaining what you need with out having to buy any
tools.
"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:020320042039278109%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
> In article <Gob1c.120333$Hy3.22457@edtnps89>, Chris Melanson
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Here are a couple of links for you please take a look . Like they say a
> > picture is worth a thosand words. Hopefully I could be of some help.
> >
> >
> >
http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/smarthtml/pages/rosette.
> > htm
> >
> > http://www.right-tool.com/romcar218ros.html
>
> I didn't even know such things existed...
>
> Mind you, at $60 US that's a lot more than the $40 CAD I'd get for the
> job, but I'll check some local shops and see what's available.
>
> Thanks!
>
> djb
>
> --
> Is it time to change my sig line yet?
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:26:46 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>But he wants the outside to show a hub, which means routing out a ring
>inside each wheel. I was thinking I'd drill two holes in the router
>base in the table for a pin and use a straght bit, but starting the cut
>seems to me a rather dangerous idea.
You could drill a large hole with a forstner bit, or rough out the
hole with a jig or scroll saw. With MDF, I'd probably just drill a
big hole and start there. You could make one by hand and use a
pattern bit and carpet tape to make the others.
That fire truck sure would look nice made of ash, maple, or birch and
stained with red Solar Klux. <G>
Barry
On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:36:10 GMT, B a r r y
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>That fire truck sure would look nice made of ash, maple, or birch and
>stained with red Solar Klux. <G>
Damn spell checker!
That's SOLAR LUX!
Barry
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:26:46 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>... okay, so it's no biggie. A fellow I work with is building a
>firetruck as an envelope holder for a neighbor firefighter who's
>getting married in May and asked if I could make four wheels for him.
Does it look like what I've posted on ABPW under the heading "Wheel"?
Thomas J. Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
(Real Email is tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/