Totally OT (But Funny) Selling A Car On Craigslist

On Jan 4, 2019, Unquestionably Confused wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):

> On 1/3/2019 6:58 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> > On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 15:08:26 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > >
> > > I forwarded it to my son for his enjoyment. He said I might as well
> > > send the guy my SS # now and get it over with. ;-)
> >
> > Just ask that he send a cashiers cheque, payable to holder,
> > to your post office box. ... :-)
> > or keep him on the line for a few emails for fun -
> > saying that a very similar reply offered $ 75. to hold it ..
> > John T.
>
> LOL, sure seems like a legit buyer to me!
>
> Had a similar run in with some clown years back when I was selling a
> riding lawn mower. Kept telling him the "cashier's check" had to go to
> my PO Box and he actually sent it there - three times - using FEDEX.
> Unfortunately for him, it was before the USPS started being friendly
> with UPS and FEDEX and accepting parcels at the box as if it was a
> physical street address. I actually confirmed that the FEDEX was sent
> through their site. Must have cost the goof $30-$40. Shame he didn't
> mail the check. Would have been much cheaper and I would have enjoyed
> seeing his handiwork.

This is a classic pattern - tipoff:

The reason the goof only used FedX was to avoid the possibility of a Federal
Mail Fraud charge.

Joe Gwinn

On Friday, 4 January 2019 10:08:28 UTC+11, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> I posted a vehicle on Craigslist today and got my first response within a
> couple of hours. Who knew it would be so easy?

Last time I sold a vehicle on one of these online lists, I got a "definite buyer" who wanted to buy it sight unseen.
Only problem was she (?) was at the moment inside a boat in the Tasman Sea and would only be able to give me the moolah later. Unless of course I was willing to deposit some bitcoin $$$ in a special Nigerian account she held.

I had to take my hat off to the brave display of stupidity!
:)

On 1/6/2019 9:12 PM, Casper wrote:
> I've gotten this same message on several of my Craigslist postings.
> Seems to be a common occurance. I just delete them.

Same can be said of any number of scams - Craigslist, Ebay or the email
variety.

What is telling is that so many of them are just so ludicrous that it's
hard to believe that any sane person would bite (or any sane person
would send them) on it. Yet, they continue to be sent. It's hard to
believe (scary) that there are enough people goofy enough to make it
worthwhile, and yet. . .

>
>> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> was heard to mutter:
>> I posted a vehicle on Craigslist today and got my first response within a
>> couple of hours. Who knew it would be so easy?
>>
>> "Nice car. I'm very interested in purchasing it. I'm not in town now, so
>> meeting in person is out of the question because of my work schedule plus my
>> family is somewhat busy preparing for my first daughter's wedding. I'm okay
>> with the price and condition. The mode of payment will be via my Company’s
>> Check and it will be sent by UPS Overnight delivery. When you receive the
>> payment and it clears your bank, I will make arrangement for the pick-up. I
>> will be adding an extra $50 just so I can have an upper hand over other
>> potential buyers as I understand I may not be the only interested buyer.
>> Should you agreed to sell to me; I will need the name you want written on
>> the check, the address you want the payment sent out to, your cell phone
>> will be appreciated too (that you can be reached during the day) and finally
>> what your overall total (plus the $50) will be; so as to be on the same
>> page. Many thanks."
>>
>> I forwarded it to my son for his enjoyment. He said I might as well
>> send the guy my SS # now and get it over with. ;-)

On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 7:54:31 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrot=
e:
> On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 15:08:26 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
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> >I posted a vehicle on Craigslist today and got my first response within =
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> >couple of hours. Who knew it would be so easy?
> >
> >"Nice car. I'm very interested in purchasing it. I'm not in town now, so=
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> >meeting in person is out of the question because of my work schedule plu=
s my=20
> >family is somewhat busy preparing for my first daughter's wedding. I'm o=
kay
> >with the price and condition. The mode of payment will be via my Company=
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> >Check and it will be sent by UPS Overnight delivery. When you receive th=
e=20
> >payment and it clears your bank, I will make arrangement for the pick-up=
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> >will be adding an extra $50 just so I can have an upper hand over other=
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> >potential buyers as I understand I may not be the only interested buyer.=
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> >Should you agreed to sell to me; I will need the name you want written o=
n=20
> >the check, the address you want the payment sent out to, your cell phone=
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> >will be appreciated too (that you can be reached during the day) and fin=
ally=20
> >what your overall total (plus the $50) will be; so as to be on the same=
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> >page. Many thanks."
> >
> >I forwarded it to my son for his enjoyment. He said I might as well
> >send the guy my SS # now and get it over with. ;-)
> >
> >
>=20
> Just ask that he send a cashiers cheque, payable to holder,=20
> to your post office box. ... :-)
> or keep him on the line for a few emails for fun -
> saying that a very similar reply offered $ 75. to hold it ..
> John T.

I could tell him that the $75 offer came from a Nigerian Prince. ;-)

On 1/3/2019 5:08 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> I posted a vehicle on Craigslist today and got my first response within a
> couple of hours. Who knew it would be so easy?
>
> "Nice car. I'm very interested in purchasing it. I'm not in town now, so
> meeting in person is out of the question because of my work schedule plus my
> family is somewhat busy preparing for my first daughter's wedding. I'm okay
> with the price and condition. The mode of payment will be via my Company’s
> Check and it will be sent by UPS Overnight delivery. When you receive the
> payment and it clears your bank, I will make arrangement for the pick-up. I
> will be adding an extra $50 just so I can have an upper hand over other
> potential buyers as I understand I may not be the only interested buyer.
> Should you agreed to sell to me; I will need the name you want written on
> the check, the address you want the payment sent out to, your cell phone
> will be appreciated too (that you can be reached during the day) and finally
> what your overall total (plus the $50) will be; so as to be on the same
> page. Many thanks."
>
> I forwarded it to my son for his enjoyment. He said I might as well
> send the guy my SS # now and get it over with. ;-)
>
>
>

and the Prince of Nairobi and his fortunes thank you on this gracious day.

On 1/3/2019 6:58 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 15:08:26 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>

[snip]

>>
>> I forwarded it to my son for his enjoyment. He said I might as well
>> send the guy my SS # now and get it over with. ;-)
>>
>>
>
> Just ask that he send a cashiers cheque, payable to holder,
> to your post office box. ... :-)
> or keep him on the line for a few emails for fun -
> saying that a very similar reply offered $ 75. to hold it ..
> John T.
>


LOL, sure seems like a legit buyer to me!

Had a similar run in with some clown years back when I was selling a
riding lawn mower. Kept telling him the "cashier's check" had to go to
my PO Box and he actually sent it there - three times - using FEDEX.
Unfortunately for him, it was before the USPS started being friendly
with UPS and FEDEX and accepting parcels at the box as if it was a
physical street address. I actually confirmed that the FEDEX was sent
through their site. Must have cost the goof $30-$40. Shame he didn't
mail the check. Would have been much cheaper and I would have enjoyed
seeing his handiwork.

On 1/7/2019 5:19 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

>
> Here's a real life example of someone who "bit" on a scam. I don't know the wording of the
> listing that the couple responded to, but here's how this one turned out...
>
> The background is that my daughter has been a victim of identity theft. Cell phone, cable TV,
> credit accounts, etc. have all been opened in her name. It's started years ago and it's happened in various parts of the company. As far as we know they caught the original "thief" but her info
> has apparently been sold far and wide. (We have that under control at this point.)
>
> So, my daughter lives in the North East. Last year she got a call from the Wisconsin State
> Police. The officer started asking her questions about the $20K check she cashed for the
> trailer she sold but never delivered. Turns out that an elderly couple in Wisconsin bought
> (well, *thought* they bought) a trailer on CL from my daughter, who supposedly lived in Florida.
> The $20K was supposed to cover the cost of the trailer and shipment to Wisconsin.
>
> When the check was cashed but no trailer showed up, they called the police, who somehow
> tracked down my daughter's cell phone number and called her. She (once again) had to send
> out her "documentation package" that contains the previous police reports, fraud resolution docs,
> etc. to "prove", as best she could, that it wasn't her that cashed the check.
>
> All I can say is that I'm not sending a $20K check to anyone on CL unless I've got everything
> nailed down, set up, documented, recorded, etc. In the case of my most recent incident, if
> I had any inkling that the offer was somewhat legit but he just really couldn't "meet in person", I'd
> ask for a Skype session, which I would record. I'd ask to see ID, I'd ask that the session show a
> background that could be identified, etc., etc.
>
> There sure are some idiots out there, unfortunately on both sides of these scam transactions.

Banks are helping. I bought a house last month. I had to wire about
$40k for the deposit last spring when construction started, later had to
wire much larger to pay for the house. I had to do it in person, show
my ID to the bank and they had some questions about who the money was
going to. Had I said if was for the Royal Family in Nigeria it would
have been refused.

I had to wire the money since the title company will not take a bank
check due to the fraud in recent years.

In any case, seems like a lot of people fall for this stuff or they
would not be calling

On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 8:58:28 AM UTC-5, Unquestionably Confused wro=
te:
> On 1/6/2019 9:12 PM, Casper wrote:
> > I've gotten this same message on several of my Craigslist postings.
> > Seems to be a common occurance. I just delete them.
>=20
> Same can be said of any number of scams - Craigslist, Ebay or the email=
=20
> variety.
>=20
> What is telling is that so many of them are just so ludicrous that it's=
=20
> hard to believe that any sane person would bite (or any sane person=20
> would send them) on it. Yet, they continue to be sent. It's hard to=20
> believe (scary) that there are enough people goofy enough to make it=20
> worthwhile, and yet. . .

Here's a real life example of someone who "bit" on a scam. I don't know the=
wording of the=20
listing that the couple responded to, but here's how this one turned out...

The background is that my daughter has been a victim of identity theft. Cel=
l phone, cable TV,=20
credit accounts, etc. have all been opened in her name. It's started years =
ago and it's happened in various parts of the company. As far as we know th=
ey caught the original "thief" but her info
has apparently been sold far and wide. (We have that under control at this =
point.)

So, my daughter lives in the North East. Last year she got a call from the=
Wisconsin State=20
Police. The officer started asking her questions about the $20K check she c=
ashed for the=20
trailer she sold but never delivered. Turns out that an elderly couple in W=
isconsin bought
(well, *thought* they bought) a trailer on CL from my daughter, who suppose=
dly lived in Florida.
The $20K was supposed to cover the cost of the trailer and shipment to Wisc=
onsin. =20

When the check was cashed but no trailer showed up, they called the police,=
who somehow
tracked down my daughter's cell phone number and called her. She (once agai=
n) had to send
out her "documentation package" that contains the previous police reports, =
fraud resolution docs,
etc. to "prove", as best she could, that it wasn't her that cashed the chec=
k.

All I can say is that I'm not sending a $20K check to anyone on CL unless I=
've got everything
nailed down, set up, documented, recorded, etc. In the case of my most rece=
nt incident, if
I had any inkling that the offer was somewhat legit but he just really coul=
dn't "meet in person", I'd=20
ask for a Skype session, which I would record. I'd ask to see ID, I'd ask t=
hat the session show a=20
background that could be identified, etc., etc.=20

There sure are some idiots out there, unfortunately on both sides of these =
scam transactions.

>=20
> >=20
> >> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> was heard to mutter:
> >> I posted a vehicle on Craigslist today and got my first response withi=
n a
> >> couple of hours. Who knew it would be so easy?
> >>
> >> "Nice car. I'm very interested in purchasing it. I'm not in town now, =
so
> >> meeting in person is out of the question because of my work schedule p=
lus my
> >> family is somewhat busy preparing for my first daughter's wedding. I'm=
okay
> >> with the price and condition. The mode of payment will be via my Compa=
ny=E2=80=99s
> >> Check and it will be sent by UPS Overnight delivery. When you receive =
the
> >> payment and it clears your bank, I will make arrangement for the pick-=
up. I
> >> will be adding an extra $50 just so I can have an upper hand over othe=
r
> >> potential buyers as I understand I may not be the only interested buye=
r.
> >> Should you agreed to sell to me; I will need the name you want written=
on
> >> the check, the address you want the payment sent out to, your cell pho=
ne
> >> will be appreciated too (that you can be reached during the day) and f=
inally
> >> what your overall total (plus the $50) will be; so as to be on the sam=
e
> >> page. Many thanks."
> >>
> >> I forwarded it to my son for his enjoyment. He said I might as well
> >> send the guy my SS # now and get it over with. ;-)

I've gotten this same message on several of my Craigslist postings.
Seems to be a common occurance. I just delete them.

>DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> was heard to mutter:
>I posted a vehicle on Craigslist today and got my first response within a
>couple of hours. Who knew it would be so easy?
>
>"Nice car. I'm very interested in purchasing it. I'm not in town now, so
>meeting in person is out of the question because of my work schedule plus my
>family is somewhat busy preparing for my first daughter's wedding. I'm okay
>with the price and condition. The mode of payment will be via my Company’s
>Check and it will be sent by UPS Overnight delivery. When you receive the
>payment and it clears your bank, I will make arrangement for the pick-up. I
>will be adding an extra $50 just so I can have an upper hand over other
>potential buyers as I understand I may not be the only interested buyer.
>Should you agreed to sell to me; I will need the name you want written on
>the check, the address you want the payment sent out to, your cell phone
>will be appreciated too (that you can be reached during the day) and finally
>what your overall total (plus the $50) will be; so as to be on the same
>page. Many thanks."
>
>I forwarded it to my son for his enjoyment. He said I might as well
>send the guy my SS # now and get it over with. ;-)

On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 15:08:26 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I posted a vehicle on Craigslist today and got my first response within a
>couple of hours. Who knew it would be so easy?
>
>"Nice car. I'm very interested in purchasing it. I'm not in town now, so
>meeting in person is out of the question because of my work schedule plus my
>family is somewhat busy preparing for my first daughter's wedding. I'm okay
>with the price and condition. The mode of payment will be via my Company’s
>Check and it will be sent by UPS Overnight delivery. When you receive the
>payment and it clears your bank, I will make arrangement for the pick-up. I
>will be adding an extra $50 just so I can have an upper hand over other
>potential buyers as I understand I may not be the only interested buyer.
>Should you agreed to sell to me; I will need the name you want written on
>the check, the address you want the payment sent out to, your cell phone
>will be appreciated too (that you can be reached during the day) and finally
>what your overall total (plus the $50) will be; so as to be on the same
>page. Many thanks."
>
>I forwarded it to my son for his enjoyment. He said I might as well
>send the guy my SS # now and get it over with. ;-)
>
>

I had a much better response when I sold my 18 year old truck.

"I'll be by today, with cash. I want to drive it and you go with me."

There are a *few* genuine buyers, to go with the genuine sellers ;-)

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On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 14:00:41 -0500, Joseph Gwinn
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Jan 4, 2019, Unquestionably Confused wrote
>(in article <[email protected]>):
>
>> On 1/3/2019 6:58 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> > On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 15:08:26 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> > >
>> > > I forwarded it to my son for his enjoyment. He said I might as well
>> > > send the guy my SS # now and get it over with. ;-)
>> >
>> > Just ask that he send a cashiers cheque, payable to holder,
>> > to your post office box. ... :-)
>> > or keep him on the line for a few emails for fun -
>> > saying that a very similar reply offered $ 75. to hold it ..
>> > John T.
>>
>> LOL, sure seems like a legit buyer to me!
>>
>> Had a similar run in with some clown years back when I was selling a
>> riding lawn mower. Kept telling him the "cashier's check" had to go to
>> my PO Box and he actually sent it there - three times - using FEDEX.
>> Unfortunately for him, it was before the USPS started being friendly
>> with UPS and FEDEX and accepting parcels at the box as if it was a
>> physical street address. I actually confirmed that the FEDEX was sent
>> through their site. Must have cost the goof $30-$40. Shame he didn't
>> mail the check. Would have been much cheaper and I would have enjoyed
>> seeing his handiwork.
>
>This is a classic pattern - tipoff:
>
>The reason the goof only used FedX was to avoid the possibility of a Federal
>Mail Fraud charge.

*Bingo!* We have a winner!

On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 15:08:26 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I posted a vehicle on Craigslist today and got my first response within a
>couple of hours. Who knew it would be so easy?
>
>"Nice car. I'm very interested in purchasing it. I'm not in town now, so
>meeting in person is out of the question because of my work schedule plus my
>family is somewhat busy preparing for my first daughter's wedding. I'm okay
>with the price and condition. The mode of payment will be via my Company’s
>Check and it will be sent by UPS Overnight delivery. When you receive the
>payment and it clears your bank, I will make arrangement for the pick-up. I
>will be adding an extra $50 just so I can have an upper hand over other
>potential buyers as I understand I may not be the only interested buyer.
>Should you agreed to sell to me; I will need the name you want written on
>the check, the address you want the payment sent out to, your cell phone
>will be appreciated too (that you can be reached during the day) and finally
>what your overall total (plus the $50) will be; so as to be on the same
>page. Many thanks."
>
>I forwarded it to my son for his enjoyment. He said I might as well
>send the guy my SS # now and get it over with. ;-)
>
>

Just ask that he send a cashiers cheque, payable to holder,
to your post office box. ... :-)
or keep him on the line for a few emails for fun -
saying that a very similar reply offered $ 75. to hold it ..
John T.