yep all 2 or 3 of them could have been prevented with a functioning
splitter or other "hold down" device.
BRuce
Mike wrote:
> "Jay Windley" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>"william kossack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:YbNrb.159118$HS4.1306914@attbi_s01...
>>|
>>| This brings to mind the question does norm ever have a kickback?
>>
>>I have yet to talk to a woodworker who hasn't had a kickback of some sort.
>
>
> Since nobody disputed this statement, I'll assume it's generally true;
> which leads me want to conduct a poll of sorts. (Disclaimer: this is
> not scientific poll so please no lecture on all of the intricate
> details of a statistically significant poll).
>
> When you reconsider the circumstances, could every kickback you have
> ever experienced been prevented using common practices of proper
> machine use and safety? I guess the real thing I'm trying to get at
> is; are there ever kickbacks that just happen; even when you think
> you've done everything correctly?
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
>
>>There's something in human nature, I suppose, that forces us to learn about
>>safety the hard way. I'm sure Norm has had his share of kickbacks, and I'm
>>sure those get edited out along with all his other mistakes.
>>
>>My grandfather was a coal miner, a railroad stoker, and a general
>>contractor. He died with all his digits intact. If he can do it, I can do
>>it.
--
---
BRuce
In article <[email protected]>, Mike
<[email protected]> wrote:
> When you reconsider the circumstances, could every kickback you have
> ever experienced been prevented using common practices of proper
> machine use and safety?
In my case, yes. I've had two kickbacks in the past three years (since
I got back into ww'ing), one that would have skewered my like an olive
if I'd been standing behind the blade. In both cases the fault was
entirely mine, making cuts I knew (or should have known) were stupidly
risky in a dumb attempt to save a bit of setup time.
djb
--
There are no socks in my email address.
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"
I'm glad I got my coffee AFTER reading this one!
Silvan wrote:
> Andy Dingley wrote:
>
> >>I got one yestday on my TS that bent my belt buckle! Lucky for me the
> >>piece wasn't any larger than it was...
> >
> > Lucky you weren't facing the other way - you wouldn't have been able
> > to speak for days.
>
> I think I'm going to pass out from laughing so hard...
>
> --
> Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
Mike wrote:
> When you reconsider the circumstances, could every kickback you have
> ever experienced been prevented using common practices of proper
> machine use and safety? I guess the real thing I'm trying to get at
> is; are there ever kickbacks that just happen; even when you think
> you've done everything correctly?
My two tablesaw kickbacks were completely preventable. I made a push
stick out of the first one as a reminder.
-- Mark
Me too, especially from Porter-Cable....
"Mike in Mystic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm sure he has, but do you really think they show that on the air?
>
> "william kossack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:YbNrb.159118$HS4.1306914@attbi_s01...
> >
> > This brings to mind the question does norm ever have a kickback?
> >
>
>
Humor challenged?
"Daniel Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Who cares if he gets kick backs or not ? Have I missed the point of
> why this question is being posted.
>
> Daniel
>
> william kossack
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >I've talked to a number of people lately who have told me about the
> > >kickbacks they have experienced.
> > >
> > >One guy even told me about a kick back with a tablesaw when he was
> > >triming a door.
> > >
> > >This brings to mind the question does norm ever have a kickback?
> >
> > That's why he wears the beard - to cover up a particularly nasty scar.
Groan!
dave
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:35:46 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>I got one yestday on my TS that bent my belt buckle! Lucky for me the
>>piece wasn't any larger than it was...
>
>
> Lucky you weren't facing the other way - you wouldn't have been able
> to speak for days.
>
> --
> Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods
Mark <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Jay Windley wrote:
>
> > "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > |
> > | I got one yestday on my TS that bent my belt buckle! Lucky for me the
> > | piece wasn't any larger than it was...
> >
> > ... and that you aren't somewhat taller.
>
>
> Kid at work didn't know how bad an idea it is to hand cut with a table
> saw. Piece of UMHW hit him in the nuts.
>
> That happened on Wednesday, we didn't see him till Monday. Doctors orders.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Mark
>
> N.E. Ohio
>
>
> Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
> A.K.A. Mark Twain)
>
> When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
> suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
I recently had a long narrow piece fly out from between the blade and
fence as they have a habit of doing when ripping. It hit SWMBO's car
on the nose (hood) and made a tiny little dent. Should have heard
the flak I received about that for weeks. Everyone in the
neighborhood knows about it too!
Last week she rammed a signpost in the WalMart parking lot for no
reason at all. Cost $2.5G to fix. The little dent is gone with the
trashed front end and you should hear the silence about my little
error!!
Who cares if he gets kick backs or not ? Have I missed the point of
why this question is being posted.
Daniel
william kossack
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I've talked to a number of people lately who have told me about the
> >kickbacks they have experienced.
> >
> >One guy even told me about a kick back with a tablesaw when he was
> >triming a door.
> >
> >This brings to mind the question does norm ever have a kickback?
>
> That's why he wears the beard - to cover up a particularly nasty scar.
I got one yestday on my TS that bent my belt buckle! Lucky for me the
piece wasn't any larger than it was...
juan fandango wrote:
> "Jay Windley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>"william kossack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:YbNrb.159118$HS4.1306914@attbi_s01...
>>|
>>| This brings to mind the question does norm ever have a kickback?
>>
>>I have yet to talk to a woodworker who hasn't had a kickback of some sort.
>>There's something in human nature, I suppose, that forces us to learn
>
> about
>
>>safety the hard way. I'm sure Norm has had his share of kickbacks, and
>
> I'm
>
>>sure those get edited out along with all his other mistakes.
>>
>>My grandfather was a coal miner, a railroad stoker, and a general
>>contractor. He died with all his digits intact. If he can do it, I can
>
> do
>
>>it.
>>
>>--
>> |
>>The universe is not required to conform | Jay Windley
>>to the expectations of the ignorant. | webmaster @ clavius.org
>>
>
> That reminds me of the time I got a kickback from my radial arms saw. I
> almost died with all my digits. If I had been standing directly behind the
> saw I would have lost my belly button.
>
>
No, but I have noticed him breathing prety hard latly. Showing his age?
"JackD" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Certainly it wasn't a sweat.
>
> -Jack "Roy is king"
>
>
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:NL2sb.171936$e01.603681@attbi_s02...
> > All those that say that they never show his mistakes. I did see him
break
I'm sure he has, but do you really think they show that on the air?
Actually, he is pretty diligent about using featherboards, hold-downs, etc.
when needed, so he probably minimizes the liklihood of problems like that.
He's been doing this a long time, after all, and he still has all his
fingers.
Mike
--
There are no stupid questions.
There are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
"william kossack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:YbNrb.159118$HS4.1306914@attbi_s01...
> I've talked to a number of people lately who have told me about the
> kickbacks they have experienced.
>
> One guy even told me about a kick back with a tablesaw when he was
> triming a door.
>
> This brings to mind the question does norm ever have a kickback?
>
All those that say that they never show his mistakes. I did see him break
something once.
"Mike Iglesias" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Rob V <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Id love to see the NYW blooper reel!!
>
> I believe there's a note on the NYW web site that Norm hasn't made any
> mistakes, so there'd be no blooper reel.
>
>
> --
> Mike Iglesias Email:
[email protected]
> University of California, Irvine phone: 949-824-6926
> Network & Academic Computing Services FAX: 949-824-2069
That was it.
"Chris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<NL2sb.171936$e01.603681@attbi_s02>...
> > All those that say that they never show his mistakes. I did see him
break
> > something once.
> >
> >
>
> Yes, it was when he was bending wood - I think when he built the wine
> rack. He did some kerf cuts on the back of a piece of wood to contour
> it to a curve, then wet the wood a little to help bend it. He broke
> one and left it in the show.
>
> -Chris
Yes.
"Mike" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> When you reconsider the circumstances, could every kickback you have
> ever experienced been prevented using common practices of proper
> machine use and safety?
> > I have yet to talk to a woodworker who hasn't had a kickback of some
sort.
>
> Since nobody disputed this statement, I'll assume it's generally true;
> which leads me want to conduct a poll of sorts. (Disclaimer: this is
Been using a tablesaw of sort or other for a good number of years and
have never had a kickback. Maybe I'm just the exception that proves the
rule.
Id love to see the NYW blooper reel!!
"william kossack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:YbNrb.159118$HS4.1306914@attbi_s01...
> I've talked to a number of people lately who have told me about the
> kickbacks they have experienced.
>
> One guy even told me about a kick back with a tablesaw when he was
> triming a door.
>
> This brings to mind the question does norm ever have a kickback?
>
I joked with SWMBO about wearing a steel jock after that "accident".
dave
Jay Windley wrote:
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> |
> | I got one yestday on my TS that bent my belt buckle! Lucky for me the
> | piece wasn't any larger than it was...
>
> ... and that you aren't somewhat taller.
>
Jay Windley wrote:
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> |
> | I got one yestday on my TS that bent my belt buckle! Lucky for me the
> | piece wasn't any larger than it was...
>
> ... and that you aren't somewhat taller.
Kid at work didn't know how bad an idea it is to hand cut with a table
saw. Piece of UMHW hit him in the nuts.
That happened on Wednesday, we didn't see him till Monday. Doctors orders.
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:29:31 -0700, "Jay Windley"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>The lesson hit home. Pun intended. And maybe I'm paranoid, but I approach
>each of my power tools with the attitude that the s.o.b. is trying to kill
>me,
Windows for Machining Centres 8-)
Be afraid.
On 12 Nov 2003 10:24:39 -0800, [email protected] (Mike) wrote:
>When you reconsider the circumstances, could every kickback you have
>ever experienced been prevented using common practices of proper
>machine use and safety?
Yes. I haven't had one in years, as I've become more and more safety
conscious and knowledgable.
>I guess the real thing I'm trying to get at
>is; are there ever kickbacks that just happen; even when you think
>you've done everything correctly?
Not in my experience. I _thought_ I was doing everything correctly,
but at the time I didn't fully understand the causes.
Barry
In article <[email protected]>,
Rob V <[email protected]> wrote:
>Id love to see the NYW blooper reel!!
I believe there's a note on the NYW web site that Norm hasn't made any
mistakes, so there'd be no blooper reel.
--
Mike Iglesias Email: [email protected]
University of California, Irvine phone: 949-824-6926
Network & Academic Computing Services FAX: 949-824-2069
"william kossack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:YbNrb.159118$HS4.1306914@attbi_s01...
|
| This brings to mind the question does norm ever have a kickback?
I have yet to talk to a woodworker who hasn't had a kickback of some sort.
There's something in human nature, I suppose, that forces us to learn about
safety the hard way. I'm sure Norm has had his share of kickbacks, and I'm
sure those get edited out along with all his other mistakes.
My grandfather was a coal miner, a railroad stoker, and a general
contractor. He died with all his digits intact. If he can do it, I can do
it.
--
|
The universe is not required to conform | Jay Windley
to the expectations of the ignorant. | webmaster @ clavius.org
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I got one yestday on my TS that bent my belt buckle! Lucky for me the
> piece wasn't any larger than it was...
Thank god for small targets!
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
|
| I got one yestday on my TS that bent my belt buckle! Lucky for me the
| piece wasn't any larger than it was...
... and that you aren't somewhat taller.
Certainly it wasn't a sweat.
-Jack "Roy is king"
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:NL2sb.171936$e01.603681@attbi_s02...
> All those that say that they never show his mistakes. I did see him break
> something once.
>
>
> "Mike Iglesias" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Rob V <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >Id love to see the NYW blooper reel!!
> >
> > I believe there's a note on the NYW web site that Norm hasn't made any
> > mistakes, so there'd be no blooper reel.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mike Iglesias Email:
> [email protected]
> > University of California, Irvine phone: 949-824-6926
> > Network & Academic Computing Services FAX: 949-824-2069
>
>
Lack of exercise.
-Jack
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ADbsb.172051$HS4.1393938@attbi_s01...
> No, but I have noticed him breathing prety hard latly. Showing his age?
>
>
> "JackD" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > Certainly it wasn't a sweat.
> >
> > -Jack "Roy is king"
> >
> >
> > "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:NL2sb.171936$e01.603681@attbi_s02...
> > > All those that say that they never show his mistakes. I did see him
> break
>
>
"Dave Balderstone" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:121120031712412563%[email protected]...
|
| ...one that would have skewered me like an olive
| if I'd been standing behind the blade.
I learned very quickly that whirling saw blades create an imaginary plane
that I probably shouldn't stand in.
Early in my career as an engineer, when my automation work included
generating tool paths automatically for NC mills, I was summoned to the
advanced manufacturing floor to witness the effect of a typo in a computer
program's data file. A transposed set of digits in a tool feed rate had
caused a chunk of aluminum alloy stock to be thrown from the lathe, through
the shield, past the head of the operator, and through two thicknesses of
3/4 inch drywall.
The lesson hit home. Pun intended. And maybe I'm paranoid, but I approach
each of my power tools with the attitude that the s.o.b. is trying to kill
me, and whether it succeeds or not depends largely on what I do and how much
attention I pay to what forces are being applied and where.
--Jay
> >
> > I have yet to talk to a woodworker who hasn't had a kickback of some
sort.
>
> Since nobody disputed this statement, I'll assume it's generally true;
> which leads me want to conduct a poll of sorts.
Let's see- I once (early in my tablesaw experience) started a crosscut with
the piece riding the fence- luckily, it was a small piece, and the knot on
my hand went away in a couple of months. The good part was, I was
introducing a friend to woodworking, and this made him begin to take shop
safety seriously.
Another time I was preparint to cut apart a cabinet door (standard frame
containing 1/4" ply), when I lost my grip and dropped it on the spinning
blade- it "rode" the blade for a sec (it was quite a sight), then came
flying at my chest. Luckily, it was too heavy for the blade to throw it
very hard, but it still woke me up nicely.
About the only time I ever have a problem is when I'm cutting a hunk of
wood that pinches the blade before it gets to the splitter. I pay attention,
and have never had one of these thrown at me. I use a shopmade
zero-clearance insert and splitter, with an anti-kickback blade and long
push sticks, and regularly rip very small dimensions (1/2" and smaller)
between the blade and fence with no problems.
Steve
www.postalbanks.com
Andy Dingley wrote:
>>I got one yestday on my TS that bent my belt buckle! Lucky for me the
>>piece wasn't any larger than it was...
>
> Lucky you weren't facing the other way - you wouldn't have been able
> to speak for days.
I think I'm going to pass out from laughing so hard...
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:23:52 GMT, william kossack
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I've talked to a number of people lately who have told me about the
>kickbacks they have experienced.
>
>One guy even told me about a kick back with a tablesaw when he was
>triming a door.
>
>This brings to mind the question does norm ever have a kickback?
That's why he wears the beard - to cover up a particularly nasty scar.
"Jay Windley" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "william kossack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:YbNrb.159118$HS4.1306914@attbi_s01...
> |
> | This brings to mind the question does norm ever have a kickback?
>
> I have yet to talk to a woodworker who hasn't had a kickback of some sort.
Since nobody disputed this statement, I'll assume it's generally true;
which leads me want to conduct a poll of sorts. (Disclaimer: this is
not scientific poll so please no lecture on all of the intricate
details of a statistically significant poll).
When you reconsider the circumstances, could every kickback you have
ever experienced been prevented using common practices of proper
machine use and safety? I guess the real thing I'm trying to get at
is; are there ever kickbacks that just happen; even when you think
you've done everything correctly?
Cheers,
Mike
> There's something in human nature, I suppose, that forces us to learn about
> safety the hard way. I'm sure Norm has had his share of kickbacks, and I'm
> sure those get edited out along with all his other mistakes.
>
> My grandfather was a coal miner, a railroad stoker, and a general
> contractor. He died with all his digits intact. If he can do it, I can do
> it.
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<NL2sb.171936$e01.603681@attbi_s02>...
> All those that say that they never show his mistakes. I did see him break
> something once.
>
>
Yes, it was when he was bending wood - I think when he built the wine
rack. He did some kerf cuts on the back of a piece of wood to contour
it to a curve, then wet the wood a little to help bend it. He broke
one and left it in the show.
-Chris
Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:35:46 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I got one yestday on my TS that bent my belt buckle! Lucky for me the
> >piece wasn't any larger than it was...
>
> Lucky you weren't facing the other way - you wouldn't have been able
> to speak for days.
WHOOOOSSSSSH!
That was the sound of that one going over my head the first time I read it.
-Chris
Haven't seen it mentioned yet but sharp blades seem to give an additional
margin of error...trying to force a piece through a dull blade can do all
sorts of things that can result in unplanned recesses in your shop walls.
Sometimes they are ok as you can use them for additional shelf space but
it's difficult to achieve that finished look around the edges.
"Jay Windley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Dave Balderstone" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:121120031712412563%[email protected]...
> |
> | ...one that would have skewered me like an olive
> | if I'd been standing behind the blade.
>
> I learned very quickly that whirling saw blades create an imaginary plane
> that I probably shouldn't stand in.
>
> Early in my career as an engineer, when my automation work included
> generating tool paths automatically for NC mills, I was summoned to the
> advanced manufacturing floor to witness the effect of a typo in a computer
> program's data file. A transposed set of digits in a tool feed rate had
> caused a chunk of aluminum alloy stock to be thrown from the lathe,
through
> the shield, past the head of the operator, and through two thicknesses of
> 3/4 inch drywall.
>
> The lesson hit home. Pun intended. And maybe I'm paranoid, but I
approach
> each of my power tools with the attitude that the s.o.b. is trying to kill
> me, and whether it succeeds or not depends largely on what I do and how
much
> attention I pay to what forces are being applied and where.
>
> --Jay
>
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:12:41 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<[email protected]> wrote:
> a dumb attempt to save a bit of setup time.
That is usually the cause of every shop mishap I've ever had.
Barry
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:23:52 GMT, william kossack
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I've talked to a number of people lately who have told me about the
>kickbacks they have experienced.
>
>One guy even told me about a kick back with a tablesaw when he was
>triming a door.
>
>This brings to mind the question does norm ever have a kickback?
If he does, you'll never see it thru the magic of editing!
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:35:46 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>I got one yestday on my TS that bent my belt buckle! Lucky for me the
>piece wasn't any larger than it was...
Lucky you weren't facing the other way - you wouldn't have been able
to speak for days.
--
Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods
"Jay Windley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "william kossack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:YbNrb.159118$HS4.1306914@attbi_s01...
> |
> | This brings to mind the question does norm ever have a kickback?
>
> I have yet to talk to a woodworker who hasn't had a kickback of some sort.
> There's something in human nature, I suppose, that forces us to learn
about
> safety the hard way. I'm sure Norm has had his share of kickbacks, and
I'm
> sure those get edited out along with all his other mistakes.
>
> My grandfather was a coal miner, a railroad stoker, and a general
> contractor. He died with all his digits intact. If he can do it, I can
do
> it.
>
> --
> |
> The universe is not required to conform | Jay Windley
> to the expectations of the ignorant. | webmaster @ clavius.org
>
That reminds me of the time I got a kickback from my radial arms saw. I
almost died with all my digits. If I had been standing directly behind the
saw I would have lost my belly button.