OR......
The pay of ALL congressman and school superintendents in the country should
be DIVERTED to equipping every school bus with seat belts.
Better use of our funds.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> ... of ALL congressman and school superintendents in the country should be
> suspended until EVERY school bus is equipped with seat belts.
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:47:07 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>... of ALL congressman and school superintendents in the country should be
>suspended until EVERY school bus is equipped with seat belts.
Make the lil' suckers walk to school, uphill both ways, in the snow, like we
did..... they might lose a few pounds and get in shape.. ;-]
Then, cut the above mentioned pay in half and use the proceeds to pay good
teachers a decent salary.. YMWV
mac
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On Feb 22, 10:32 am, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Fly-by-Night CC" wrote
>
> > Besides, how do _you_ identify a "bad" teacher?
>
> If you give a shit about your kid's education, not difficult at all to
> identify (but doing something about it can be a full time job).
>
> For starters, when they tell the class that Macbeth does not die in
> "Macbeth" and count off on a test for those who say otherwise; when they
> call your kid, in class, "Hitler's spawn" because she has blonde hair and
> blue eyes; when the notes they send home to parents is full grammar and
> spelling errors that an 8th grader from the sixties would not have made;
> when they return exam papers and the mistakes they made in grading or more
> numerous than the kid's; when they spend more time on the cell phone in
> class than teaching; when they confiscate, then actually steal, expensive
> stage makeup in a kid's handbag because she was using a mirror to put a
> dislodged contact lens back (returned after the _real_ threat of charges
> being filed was finally understood); when they routinely "lose" the homework
> of kids, then blame the kid for not doing it (kid learned early on to make
> copies); when they flat ass refuse to follow state mandated "individual
> education plans" for a disabled child; when they tell you that they did not
> modify a "test" because it was a "quiz", not a test (as if a disability
> somehow magically disappears on a "quiz"); when it is proven that they
> graded based on race; I can keep going if you need more ...
>
Holy shit. I bitched about the school system here because the English
teachers (my hobby horse, naturally enough) knew less about English
than they did about educational theory (as a one time "education"
student--two courses and back to real life), which is mostly bullshit.
The teachers around here, even today, wouldn't have the brass to call
a kid Nazi spawn (though some are, and it has zip to do with their
coloring).
We do get some teachers who think that Shakespeare is too gory and too
biased--I mean, after all, Shylock? I think we also get a few who
haven't read much Shakespeare, but are up on Mickey Spillane and Louis
L'Amour (two of my favorite writers, by the way, but not exactly
fodder for high school English courses).
And you can get a truly bitchin' argument about merit pay...teachers
seem to hate it, at least based on what their union promulgates. I
think primarily that's based on the fears of mediocre teachers who far
outnumber the good and the bad--and the ugly. Which is why the unions
get away with pushing it. Hell, even our oldest, teaching Latin and
chorus for something close to 18 years now, isn't up for merit pay,
though she is one of the best teachers in the state in both areas. Oh.
I guess she's not teaching chorus this year. Finally decided to stick
with a single subject, because she wasn't home enough to be noticed
with the traveling involved when her kids were winning awards in both
subjects. Now, she only has to do things like drive kids to Richmond
(350 mile round trip) for Latin contests, then to Kansas for...the
effort that goes into being an outstanding teacher is about like the
effort that goes into being an outstanding enlisted Marine, and it is
damned near a similar seven day, 24 hour effort.
Her reward for dropping the time consuming chorus was a reallocation
of the Latin teaching budget so she gets to teach, on TV, a second
high school Latin class series, which means she can't even sit at the
desk during her Latin classes now. She is on her feet all day, talking
to her classroom and another 12 miles away. She gets about 20% of a
teacher's full time pay for that, of course--but they have to have a
fully qualified teacher (different subject) in the classes anyway.
Modern technology is often no help at all.
You figure it out. I can't. No savings, just driving a good teacher
either into early retirement, or simply into quitting before she even
turns 50. Long before. She doesn't need the money, she is vested in
her retirement program, and she can relax a bit and do church work if
she quits. She's going to quit anyway, I think, when her older husband
retires early.
So we burn out the good ones, the ones who offer all they have and the
ones who hate the work and the kids, are still there, 40 years after
they started, still doing damn-all to teach kids, but collecting a
good, solid paycheck based on their having a master's or PhD the
school system mosthe best tly paid for, and 30+ years experience.
"mac davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
> Doesn't work that way in my experience... the good teachers starve to
> death
> until deciding to go to the "dark side" and become administrators, where
> the
> money is..
What is more sad is the fact that most of the really bad teacher seem to
become the administrators. And they all have an assistant or two. Talk
about top heavy management.
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "mac davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> Then, cut the above mentioned pay in half and use the proceeds to pay
>> good
>> teachers a decent salary.. YMWV
>>
>
> Paying the good teacher a decent salary is easy. Just get rid of the bad
> teachers and take that savings and divvy it up amongst the good ones.
>
Ok, 5 teachers cannot do it all regardless of how much you pay them. '~)
On Feb 21, 10:22 pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "mac davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > Then, cut the above mentioned pay in half and use the proceeds to pay good
> > teachers a decent salary.. YMWV
>
> Paying the good teacher a decent salary is easy. Just get rid of the bad
> teachers and take that savings and divvy it up amongst the good ones.
The problem there is what to do to fill the 60-65% of the teaching
positions you've just vacated.
And in the event of an accident that requires rapid evacuation (i.e. fire)
do you think that it is realistic for a driver to run around and unbelt 60
kids? I generally agree that restraint is good. However in the unique
conditions of a schoolbus, I think that this is not a clear cut issue, that
is not a matter of simple cost cutting.
SteveP.
www.stellarbuilders.net
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> ... of ALL congressman and school superintendents in the country should be
> suspended until EVERY school bus is equipped with seat belts.
>
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>
In article <[email protected]>, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Put those same "60 kids" on an airplane to Disney Land and see how long it
>takes to buckle them in.
>
The real problem here isn't the lack of seat belts on the school bus. The real
problem here is the illegal alien with no driver's license who ran a stop
sign and collided with the bus.
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It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> ... of ALL congressman and school superintendents in the country should be
> suspended until EVERY school bus is equipped with seat belts.
And the bus will not operate until the seat belt is latched with a child in
the seat.
"Charlie Self"
> The teachers around here, even today, wouldn't have the brass to call
> a kid Nazi spawn (though some are, and it has zip to do with their
> coloring).
"Hitler's spawn" was the phrase used toward _my_ child. I wasn't informed of
this until months after the fact and the teacher had been "re-assigned" for
other reasons, although my wife learned about it shortly after it happened
from another parent.
We had an ironclad family agreement, necessitated by just some of the like
BS we experienced shepherding a kid with a disability through HISD public
school, K-12:
I wrote the letters, faxes and e-mail, my wife would do any face-to-face ...
and for damn good reason. There were many, many times this coonass would
have ended up in jail in short order. In addition, and after the first two,
we always stipulated/requested that our attorney would be present at any ARD
meetings.
This is what the HISD school taxes I paid on 1/31/08, to the tune of
$5,509.87, is purchasing today:
Recently a single, English speaking, white mother (with a job) could NOT
enroll her young daughter in "Pre-K" classes in the two HISD schools closest
to her residence because she was NOT on food stamps, and her child spoke
English as a FIRST language.
... you bet I'm pissed at the apathy that allows this type of crap in what
used to be a country that I considered worth leaving some blood on ground in
a far away land as part of the price of citizenship.
Fuck it all now, bubba! ...
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"Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Paying the good teacher a decent salary is easy. Just get rid of the bad
>> teachers and take that savings and divvy it up amongst the good ones.
>
> BZZZZT! Logic 101 - grade F. Once you fire a teacher, I suppose you
> believe the students in that classroom disappear? You'd need to hire a
> replacement or else add to the load of the remaining grade level
> teachers.
>
> Besides, how do _you_ identify a "bad" teacher?
> --
> This Administration begs the question: WWJT?
You are kidding right? You have to be involved in the school and what your
kids are doing. When my children had an incompetent teacher, I made the
school aware, as did other concerned parents. Those two teachers no longer
teach in those schools. My kids are long out of school, but one of their
high school teachers that is well entrenched in the system finally got
bounced after 20+ years. It can be done and should be done.
"Tanus" wrote in message
> Highland Pairos wrote:
> > And in the event of an accident that requires rapid evacuation (i.e.
fire)
> > do you think that it is realistic for a driver to run around and unbelt
60
> > kids? I generally agree that restraint is good. However in the unique
> > conditions of a schoolbus, I think that this is not a clear cut issue,
that
> > is not a matter of simple cost cutting.
>
> Realistically, how many school buses
> catch fire? I'm not sure that belts on a
> bus are a perfect idea either, but the
> argument of fire vs. belts has never
> convinced me.
Put those same "60 kids" on an airplane to Disney Land and see how long it
takes to buckle them in.
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"mac davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Then, cut the above mentioned pay in half and use the proceeds to pay good
> teachers a decent salary.. YMWV
>
Paying the good teacher a decent salary is easy. Just get rid of the bad
teachers and take that savings and divvy it up amongst the good ones.
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> ... of ALL congressman and school superintendents in the country should
>> be suspended until EVERY school bus is equipped with seat belts.
>>
>> --
>
> Why? Seatbelts on school busses are questionable. They can even cause
> damage if not use properly or if buckles fly around. The seats of the
> busses are designed for better impact control that the typical automobile.
> The seat backs have crush zones for the kids in the seat behind it,
> mounting brackets have to pass certain testing etc.
If the child is seat belted into his seat he or she is less likely to be
jumping and running around on the bus. I see this every day during my 2
mile walk around 2 schools You have to be seated, for the seat back crush
zone to be effective. ;~)
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> ... of ALL congressman and school superintendents in the country should be
> suspended until EVERY school bus is equipped with seat belts.
>
> --
Why? Seatbelts on school busses are questionable. They can even cause
damage if not use properly or if buckles fly around. The seats of the busses
are designed for better impact control that the typical automobile. The
seat backs have crush zones for the kids in the seat behind it, mounting
brackets have to pass certain testing etc.
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "mac davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> Then, cut the above mentioned pay in half and use the proceeds to pay
>> good
>> teachers a decent salary.. YMWV
>>
>
> Paying the good teacher a decent salary is easy. Just get rid of the bad
> teachers and take that savings and divvy it up amongst the good ones.
>
HUH? The union thugs will be on your doorstep tomorrow.
Sheesh! Next thing you'll tell us that you determine a good teacher by the
qualitty of the "product," not the length of service.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You are aware, are you not, that teachers have a union?
>
And the most generous contributer to their "friends" in politics. Like
their party or not, you have to contribute.
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:47:07 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>... of ALL congressman and school superintendents in the country should be
>suspended until EVERY school bus is equipped with seat belts.
That should be enough funding to buy 'em all Hummers with air bags..
mac
Please remove splinters before emailing
You make very good points. My primary point was that this is not an easy
issue. While I agree that there are great issues with leadership in this
country, I do not think that the issue of seatbelts in school buses is a
simple one that just boils down to politicians and bus companies trying to
make cheap buses. Seatbelts would be an easy and relatively inexpensive
solution, if it were the right one. It just simply is not that easy.
Currently schoolbuses have a laundry list of design criteria for the sake of
safety. Now, can they be safer? Perhaps. Is there a better answer?
Probably. Do I have them? Not at all. But having worked in the bus
transportation business I can tell you that this is an issue that is hotly
debated even among the professionals and executives in that particular
segment of the industry. Incidents like the one in Minnesota will renew
this debate within the industry and will cause a number of people to
honestly question how they have been doing things. Hopefully that debate
and examination will at some point lead to a solution.
SteveP.
www.stellarbuilders.net
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Tanus" wrote in message
>> Highland Pairos wrote:
>> > And in the event of an accident that requires rapid evacuation (i.e.
> fire)
>> > do you think that it is realistic for a driver to run around and unbelt
> 60
>> > kids? I generally agree that restraint is good. However in the unique
>> > conditions of a schoolbus, I think that this is not a clear cut issue,
> that
>> > is not a matter of simple cost cutting.
>>
>> Realistically, how many school buses
>> catch fire? I'm not sure that belts on a
>> bus are a perfect idea either, but the
>> argument of fire vs. belts has never
>> convinced me.
>
> Put those same "60 kids" on an airplane to Disney Land and see how long it
> takes to buckle them in.
>
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>
Highland Pairos wrote:
> And in the event of an accident that requires rapid evacuation (i.e. fire)
> do you think that it is realistic for a driver to run around and unbelt 60
> kids? I generally agree that restraint is good. However in the unique
> conditions of a schoolbus, I think that this is not a clear cut issue, that
> is not a matter of simple cost cutting.
Realistically, how many school buses
catch fire? I'm not sure that belts on a
bus are a perfect idea either, but the
argument of fire vs. belts has never
convinced me.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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mac davis wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:53:24 -0600, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "mac davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> Then, cut the above mentioned pay in half and use the proceeds to
>>>> pay good
>>>> teachers a decent salary.. YMWV
>>>>
>>>
>>> Paying the good teacher a decent salary is easy. Just get rid of
>>> the bad teachers and take that savings and divvy it up amongst the
>>> good ones.
>>>
>>
>> Ok, 5 teachers cannot do it all regardless of how much you pay
>> them.
>> '~)
>>
> But they might motivate a few of the lard assed ones by example..
> like by making 2 or 3 times as much each payday..
You are aware, are you not, that teachers have a union?
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> ... of ALL congressman and school superintendents in the country should be
> suspended until EVERY school bus is equipped with seat belts.
<snip>
Their pay should cease upon retiring from office, and while in office should
be made a part of the Social Security system.
And as long as I have the soap box, why should they make so MUCH more than
the people fixing the toilets, entering the data at his bank or fixing his
car? (Aren't the "perks" they get enough?) Oh yeah, and count how many real
work days they actually have IN A YEAR!
What happened to "for the love of country"? Don't you dare call me a
dreamer...(even if it is true).
Tom
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:22:28 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"mac davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> Then, cut the above mentioned pay in half and use the proceeds to pay good
>> teachers a decent salary.. YMWV
>>
>
>Paying the good teacher a decent salary is easy. Just get rid of the bad
>teachers and take that savings and divvy it up amongst the good ones.
>
Doesn't work that way in my experience... the good teachers starve to death
until deciding to go to the "dark side" and become administrators, where the
money is..
mac
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:01:56 -0500, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>mac davis wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:53:24 -0600, "Leon"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> "mac davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> Then, cut the above mentioned pay in half and use the proceeds to
>>>>> pay good
>>>>> teachers a decent salary.. YMWV
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paying the good teacher a decent salary is easy. Just get rid of
>>>> the bad teachers and take that savings and divvy it up amongst the
>>>> good ones.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ok, 5 teachers cannot do it all regardless of how much you pay
>>> them.
>>> '~)
>>>
>> But they might motivate a few of the lard assed ones by example..
>> like by making 2 or 3 times as much each payday..
>
>You are aware, are you not, that teachers have a union?
>
>--
So do/did the auto workers in Detroit..
mac
Please remove splinters before emailing
"Highland Pairos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> And in the event of an accident that requires rapid evacuation (i.e. fire)
> do you think that it is realistic for a driver to run around and unbelt 60
> kids? I generally agree that restraint is good. However in the unique
> conditions of a schoolbus, I think that this is not a clear cut issue,
that
> is not a matter of simple cost cutting.
You're right, it's a matter of every school bus in the country having to be
replaced with a redesigned vehicle built around the same principles of
restraint in other modes of transportation ... a downright "inconvenience"
that _responsible_ leaders would not shrug off with statistics twisted to
suit the status quo and bleating sheep.
Sorry, Dude, I simply don't buy the horseshit rationale and statistical lies
expressed by the powers-that-be on this issue.
What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander ... it is adamantly
argued that restraint in accidents saves lives in every other mode of
motorized transportation, to the point of _law_. Only deluded fools would
make a legal exception for school busses, which daily carry the future (as
bleak as it might be due to the very same reluctance and lack of leadership)
of this country
The argument/theory of "compartmentalization" works fine when a bus is
upright, but goes right out the window otherwise ... along with the kid. We
saw that with ample clarity yesterday: "Statistically", four more of our
children would be alive this morning had there been some form of sensible
restraint designed, by law, into that Minnesota school bus ... something
other than the cop-out "compartmentalization" method of non-restraint.
Besides, where would you rather spend taxpayer's money - on inflated
salaries of politicians and educrats who must drive, seatbelted, to work
each school day; or perhaps on the various boondoogles of politicians and
corporate interest's that drain money from the taxpayer with no benefit
whatsoever; or on safe transportation for your children, where they must
wear a seat belt in any other conveyance on the way to school, except the
school bus?
Oh yeah, while we're on the subject of taxpayer money actually being spent
on the public good ... where the hell is the vision this country's
leadership once exhibited in developing an interstate highway system? If Al
Gore really wants to take the "initiative" with regard to the Internet ...
it's time we built a "broadband internet highway", as ubiquitous and as
available to _every_ citizen, as the interstate highway system.
Unfortunately, as with the lack of restraint designed into school busses, we
no longer have the vision, honesty, foresight or fortitude to tackle these
types of issues ... and we will simply bleat about it on the way to our
children's slaughter.
Remember, it's your children who will suffer, on all counts ..
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:53:24 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "mac davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> Then, cut the above mentioned pay in half and use the proceeds to pay
>>> good
>>> teachers a decent salary.. YMWV
>>>
>>
>> Paying the good teacher a decent salary is easy. Just get rid of the bad
>> teachers and take that savings and divvy it up amongst the good ones.
>>
>
>Ok, 5 teachers cannot do it all regardless of how much you pay them. '~)
>
But they might motivate a few of the lard assed ones by example.. like by making
2 or 3 times as much each payday..
mac
Please remove splinters before emailing
In article <[email protected]>,
"George" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > You are aware, are you not, that teachers have a union?
> >
>
> And the most generous contributer to their "friends" in politics. Like
> their party or not,
.....
> you have to contribute.
I'm not so sure this is true (at least in Oregon) - I believe a teacher
must allocate any political contributions to a dedicated fund overseen
by the union. At least that's the way the non-licensed union runs things.
--
This Administration begs the question: WWJT?
_____
Owen Lowe
The Fly-by-Night Copper Company
In article <[email protected]>,
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Paying the good teacher a decent salary is easy. Just get rid of the bad
> teachers and take that savings and divvy it up amongst the good ones.
BZZZZT! Logic 101 - grade F. Once you fire a teacher, I suppose you
believe the students in that classroom disappear? You'd need to hire a
replacement or else add to the load of the remaining grade level
teachers.
Besides, how do _you_ identify a "bad" teacher?
--
This Administration begs the question: WWJT?
_____
Owen Lowe
The Fly-by-Night Copper Company
In article <[email protected]>,
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Besides, how do _you_ identify a "bad" teacher?
>
> You are kidding right? You have to be involved in the school and what your
> kids are doing.
No I wasn't kidding. I was referring to those who criticize and
belly-ache because they heard about so and so or read something on the
'net. You must be involved in the schools to know what's really going
on.
For example, that the mention of God or religious articles are banned in
public schools lament. I may think that is the situation in our town if
I hadn't been involved in my local elementary school for the last 4
years. Once you expose yourself to the "inside" community you learn the
real scoop - both bad and good. (and in my mind the good far outpaces
the bad - I see dedicated teachers and staff who passionately care about
"their" kids' achievements and well-being, both in school and out.)
Good on ya Edwin! All parents and community members should be as
involved as you were.
--
This Administration begs the question: WWJT?
_____
Owen Lowe
The Fly-by-Night Copper Company
"Fly-by-Night CC" wrote
> Besides, how do _you_ identify a "bad" teacher?
If you give a shit about your kid's education, not difficult at all to
identify (but doing something about it can be a full time job).
For starters, when they tell the class that Macbeth does not die in
"Macbeth" and count off on a test for those who say otherwise; when they
call your kid, in class, "Hitler's spawn" because she has blonde hair and
blue eyes; when the notes they send home to parents is full grammar and
spelling errors that an 8th grader from the sixties would not have made;
when they return exam papers and the mistakes they made in grading or more
numerous than the kid's; when they spend more time on the cell phone in
class than teaching; when they confiscate, then actually steal, expensive
stage makeup in a kid's handbag because she was using a mirror to put a
dislodged contact lens back (returned after the _real_ threat of charges
being filed was finally understood); when they routinely "lose" the homework
of kids, then blame the kid for not doing it (kid learned early on to make
copies); when they flat ass refuse to follow state mandated "individual
education plans" for a disabled child; when they tell you that they did not
modify a "test" because it was a "quiz", not a test (as if a disability
somehow magically disappears on a "quiz"); when it is proven that they
graded based on race; I can keep going if you need more ...
DAMHIKT ... and there was nothing all that unusual about any of the above.
The problem: Most parents are not involved enough in there child's education
to be aware of the number of "bad" teachers, and trust me from first hand,
recent experience, the current educational system in this big city school
district (Houston) is rotten with them.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>
> If the child is seat belted into his seat he or she is less likely to be
> jumping and running around on the bus. I see this every day during my 2
> mile walk around 2 schools You have to be seated, for the seat back crush
> zone to be effective. ;~)
Then you will need belts with locks. If the kids need discipline, hardware
on a seat is not going to cure it.
"mac davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:47:07 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>... of ALL congressman and school superintendents in the country should be
>>suspended until EVERY school bus is equipped with seat belts.
>
> That should be enough funding to buy 'em all Hummers with air bags..
LOL..... which reminds me..... Several years ago during the Brown
administration there was a big push to add a rail system to Houston Metro.
IIRC most opposed it but it was built and clouds of suspicion were every
where. Accidents with automobiles averaged more than 1 per week for the
first 18 months. It was comical aside from the "fact"? that it was
"always" the motorists fault for the accident. I have always told my son
that if you are in an auto accident it may not be your fault. a second
accident, certainly partially your fault at the very least. The rail trains
are at the very least half to blame for the 75 accidents that they were
involved in the first several months.
A N Y W A Y,,,,, one of the news agencys did a study on the cost of the
rail system. It was determined that it would have been less expensive to
have purchased a Ferrari for "every" rider of the rail system.