*** How to Filter out the Crap *** 015

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:49:40 GMT, "stoutman" <.@.> wrote:

>Ahh, I see. You must be filtering out by Sender, not by keywords in the
>subject line.

In my case, yes. I want to kill the morons, not everyone who might
talk like one on occasion.

In any case, replying to trolls is like gasoline on a fire. Just say
no.

--
For email, use Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com

In article
<[email protected]>, David F.
Eisan <[email protected]> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
>
David,
Valuable info for all the Windows users. If I may step in and mention
for the three of us Mac users left out here ;^. I highly recommend
Thoth as a news reader. It's shareware and available at

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/5207

It's free for a trial period of 30 days then they ask for $25. Well
worth it as it's OSX native and has excellent filtering. Simply right
click on the users name and choose "kill this user" or "kill this
subject" or "kill all replies" the filter default duration is 60 days
from the last enstantiation but it can be changed to forever or
whatever else you want at the click of a button. If you choose to
create your own filters it's no problem and it's easy to create one
that kills all crossposts. I went with this when I found the Netscape
7.x filtering does not work for newgroups although it works for mail.

Cheers,
Allen
Catonsville, MD

Doug Miller wrote:

> Example: it's pretty safe to assume that anything crossposted to
> rec.woodworking, alt.politics, rec.pets.dogs, and sci.med.dentistry is
> irrelevant to at least three of those groups.
>

Could be someone trying to find out the political ramifications of making
wooden dentures for canines.

Just a thought.
ARM

In article <[email protected]>,
Top Spin <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:49:40 GMT, "stoutman" <.@.> wrote:
>
>>Ahh, I see. You must be filtering out by Sender, not by keywords in the
>>subject line.
>
>In my case, yes. I want to kill the morons, not everyone who might
>talk like one on occasion.
>
>In any case, replying to trolls is like gasoline on a fire. Just say
>no.

Filtering on "dizum" in the Path: header will catch the remailer the
troll is using.

Filtering on "mixmaster.it" in the "References:" header will catch
any _response_ (direct, or indirect) to his posts.

Aren't the key word in the reply subject the same as in the original?
Shouldn't the filter operate the same in both subject lines (original and
reply)?

I guess I don't understand how these filters work. .



"Top Spin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:50:01 GMT, "stoutman" <.@.> wrote:
>
> >I'm just curious. How did you know they were responding to trolls if you
> >were filtering them out?
>
> Because the filter gets the trolls, but it does not get the replies.
>
> --
> For email, use Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com

Ahh, I see. You must be filtering out by Sender, not by keywords in the
subject line.


"stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message news:82%Pb.101227$Rc4.652681@attbi_s54...
> Aren't the key word in the reply subject the same as in the original?
> Shouldn't the filter operate the same in both subject lines (original and
> reply)?
>
> I guess I don't understand how these filters work. .
>
>
>
> "Top Spin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:50:01 GMT, "stoutman" <.@.> wrote:
> >
> > >I'm just curious. How did you know they were responding to trolls if
you
> > >were filtering them out?
> >
> > Because the filter gets the trolls, but it does not get the replies.
> >
> > --
> > For email, use Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com
>
>

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:50:01 GMT, "stoutman" <.@.> wrote:

>I'm just curious. How did you know they were responding to trolls if you
>were filtering them out?

Because the filter gets the trolls, but it does not get the replies.

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In article <82%Pb.101227$Rc4.652681@attbi_s54>, "stoutman" <.@.> wrote:
>Aren't the key word in the reply subject the same as in the original?
>Shouldn't the filter operate the same in both subject lines (original and
>reply)?

Too hard to predict what keywords the trolls may use. Better to filter on
other, more general characteristics.
>
>I guess I don't understand how these filters work. .
>
One characteristic that nearly all of the troll posts had in common was that
they were crossposted to multiple groups. Many of us filtered out anything
that was crossposted to more than, say, three groups, on the assumption that
it was a troll. A problem arises when someone trims out the crossposted groups
when responding to a troll post -- even though our filters killed the original
troll post, we see the response anyway.

--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?

I'm just curious. How did you know they were responding to trolls if you
were filtering them out?


"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dear All,
>
> ** A note on Trolls **
>
> People, when will you learn, *PLEASE* do not reply to the trolls, leave
them
> under their pitiful bridge to starve. And they will starve, and go away if
> you stop feeding them with your replies.
>
> ** How to use Nfilter(AKA NewsProxy) to filter out Trolls and other
useless
> crap **
>
> Nfilter is used successfully by wreck members using the following O.S.'s -
> Win98se, XP Home, XP Pro, Win2K, and Win2K Advanced Server.
>
> 1. Download & install NewsProxy from http://www.nfilter.org/
> Basic instructions are at http://www.nfilter.org/faq.html#2.2
>
> *** The Nfilter web site is gone! ***
>
> Robert Bonomi has been kind enough to host the program for us wreckers,
> click the link to get a copy of Nfilter and some other useful info,
>
> http://www.r-bonomi.com/rec.woodworking/index.html
>
> Thank you Robert.
>
> *** ***
>
> 2. Copy the "NewsProxy" shortcut from - C:\Program Files\NewsProxy\
> To - C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp\
> [this is for Win98se, modify this to suit your OS.]
>
> 3. If you are using Outlook Express. Start OE. Right click on your news
> folder
> (not rec.ww - you want the main news folder) and select Properties.
> Select the Server tab. Copy the information from the Server Name box.
> Enter "localhost" (without the quote marks) in the Server Name box.
> Some O.S.'s may require you use 127.0.0.1 in the Server Name box.
> Select the Advanced tab and make sure that News(NNTP): is set to 119.
> Click OK.
>
> 4. In NewsProxy. Select Edit | Configuration | Network tab. In the "Server
> Name
> or IP Number" box - paste the information from Server Name you copied in
> step 3.
> Nfilter *IS* case sensitive for the criteria in nfilter.dat. By enabling
> Regular Expressions
> you can avoid having to enter all permutations of upper & lower cases into
> the
> nfilter.dat file.
> Select the General tab and check "Enable Regular Expressions". Click OK.
> Select Edit | Filters. Click File | Save As
> Change FileName to nfilter.dat.old Click Save.
> Delete all the existing lines. Copy the following section,
> from "Start Nfilter..." to "End", to the file & be sure not
> to leave any blank lines in the file.
> Click File | Save As
> FileName = nfilter.dat Click Save.
>
> # Start Nfilter.dat list
> # Any line that starts with a # is a comment line and will be ignored.
> # Blank lines are a no no.
> # This list requires that "Enable Regular Expressions" be turned on.
> # In NewsProxy Click Edit | Configuration and check the
> # Regular Expressions box.
> #
> #Drop 3 or more xposts
> rec.woodworking Drop xref:[^:]*:[^:]*:[^:]*:.*
> rec.woodworking Drop xref:.*rec\.pets.*
> rec.woodworking Drop from:.*[Pp][Uu][Pp]+[Yy].*
> rec.woodworking Drop from:.*[Jj][Dd].*
> rec.woodworking Drop subject:.*[Jj][Ee][Ww][Ss].*
> rec.woodworking Drop subject:.*[Jj][Ee][Ww][Ii][Ss][Hh].*
> rec.woodworking Drop subject:.*[Cc][Hh][Rr][Ii][Ss][Tt][Ii][Aa][Nn].*
> rec.woodworking Drop subject:.*[Mm][Uu][Ss][Ll][Ii][Mm].*
> rec.woodworking Drop subject:.*[Jj][Ee][Ss][Uu][Ss].*
> rec.woodworking Drop subject:.*[Pp][Ee][Nn][Ii][Ss].*
> rec.woodworking Drop subject:.*[Ff][Uu][Cc][Kk].*
> rec.woodworking Drop subject:.* [Cc][Uu][Mm] .*
> rec.woodworking Drop subject:.*[Cc][Oo][Cc][Kk].*
> rec.woodworking Drop subject:.*[Pp][Uu][Ss]+[Yy].*
> rec.woodworking Drop subject:.*[Ss][Hh][Ii][Tt].*
> rec.woodworking Drop subject:.*JOAT IS GAY.*
> rec.woodworking Drop subject:.*[Nn][Ee][Gg][Rr][Oo].*
> # End NFilter.dat list
>
> Any time you edit the nfilter.dat file be sure you Save it, then close
> NewsProxy
>
> and restart it. This will cause it to read the new nfilter.dat file. Note:
> there is
> no need to close your newsreader (ie Outlook Express) when doing this.
>
> Here's a quick primer on Regular Expressions.
> Using the example expression .*[Pp][Uu][Pp]+[Yy].*
> [Pp] will match one letter of either upper or lower case P.
> [Pp]+ will match any number of letters of either upper or lower case P.
> So the above will match: Puppy, Pupy, PuPpY, pUPPPPPPPy, etc.
> A dot (".") will match any single character. And ".*" will match any
number
> of any characters.
> Spaces are not ignored and are a valid matching character.
> [Pp][Uu] [Pp]+[Yy] (note the space between the U&P) will not match "Puppy"
> but will match "Pu ppy".
>
> For more information on Regular Expressions go to:
> http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/helpsheets/regex.html or
> http://sitescooper.org/tao_regexps.html
>
> Using the above as a guide it is simple to add a new rule, but you may
want
> to test it first by using Flag instead of Drop. For example, to test for
> "asshole"
> anywhere in the subject line use:
> rec.woodworking Flag:ASSHOLE= subject:.*[Aa][Ss]+[Hh][Oo][Ll][Ee].*
> Once it works to your satisfaction replace "Flag:ASSHOLE=" with "Drop".
>
> Please use one of the test groups (ie alt.test) for testing Subjects. You
> just need to change rec.woodworking to alt.test and have at it.
> Alternatively
> you could unsubscribe from rec.woodworking and then resubscribe. This will
> give
> you the actual posts from the current crop of idiots to test the From,
> nntp-posting-host, or message-id functions.
>
> CAUTION: With Regular Expressions enabled, the rule in the original
> nfilter.dat file = rec.woodworking drop xref:*:*:*:* will cause ALL posts
> to be dropped.
>
> ADDITIONAL EXAMPLES from wreck users:
>
> #Drop 2 or more xposts
> rec.woodworking Drop xref:[^:]*:[^:]*:.*
>
> #Drop any post from known troll posting hosts (as of Oct-2003)
> rec.woodworking Drop nntp-posting-host:.*65\.149\.76
> rec.woodworking Drop nntp-posting-host:.*63\.159\.116
> rec.woodworking Drop nntp-posting-host:.*206\.216\.55
> rec.woodworking Drop nntp-posting-host:.*206\.216\.[456]
> rec.woodworking Drop nntp-posting-host:.*205\.184\.1[23456789]
>
> #Drop the current trolls (as of Oct-2003)
> rec.woodworking drop from:[email protected]
> rec.woodworking drop from:[email protected]
> rec.woodworking drop from:[email protected]
> rec.woodworking drop from:[email protected]
> rec.woodworking drop from:[email protected]
> rec.woodworking drop from:[email protected]
>
> rec.woodworking drop path:.*{{servername}}
>
> **** Filtering with Extreme Prejudice ****
> Things have got out of hand on the wreck with a few morons posting through
> Google. As such, I have decided to remove all posts from Google.com. This
is
> an extreme measure and decide for yourself if you want to add the
following
> line to your Nfilter.dat rules.
> rec.woodworking drop message-id:.*@posting.google.com
>
> You should be able to see from those examples how to add additional rules
to
> drop messages with certain words in the subject or from specific users. If
> you have any questions, please reply to this message.
>
> 5. If you are running a firewall like ZoneAlarm you will need to enable
> NewsProxy to function as a server.
>
> 6. If your ISP requires you to login, Nfilter requires no special set up.
It
> will
> pass the login information from your newsreader to your ISP/News Server.
>
>
> 7. For using Nfilter with multiple servers. See
> http://www.geocities.com/d4vidb/x_setup11.html
>
>
> *** A special thankyou to Art, AKA the Wood Butcher for his help
installing
> Nfilter, It works, go get it and install it now. ***
>
>
>
> **** USING OUTLOOK EXPRESS TO FILTER THE CRAP ****
>
> To Block a Sender:
> -Click on a message from the offender.
> -Click on "Message"
> -Click on "Block Sender"
> -Click on "Yes" to remove all messages from the offender.
>
>
> To Block a Thread
> -Double Click on the message
> -Copy the subject line (without the Re: prefix)
> -Close the message
> -Click on Tools | Message Rules | News | New
> -In box #1 Check "Subject line contains specific words"
> -In box #2 Check "Delete it"
> -In box #3 Click on "contains specific words"
> -Paste the subject line into the box
> -Click Add | OK | OK
>
>
> To Block On Something Else
> -See Block Thread above and explore other options
> in box #1.
>
> ---
>
> Thanks,
>
> David.
>
> Every neighbourhood has one, in mine, I'm him.
>
> Remove the "splinter" from my email address to email me.
>
> Newbies, please read this newsgroups FAQ.
>
> rec.ww FAQ http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/
> Archives http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
> Crowbar FAQ http://www.klownhammer.org/crowbar
>
>

In article <U4%Pb.103124$sv6.460168@attbi_s52>, "stoutman" <.@.> wrote:
>Ahh, I see. You must be filtering out by Sender, not by keywords in the
>subject line.
>
Not usually, since the worst troll kept changing his Google account. Better to
filter on things like number of groups crossposted to, specific groups in the
crosspost, or (as Robert Bonomi has pointed out) the NNTP-Posting-Host IP
address.

Example: it's pretty safe to assume that anything crossposted to
rec.woodworking, alt.politics, rec.pets.dogs, and sci.med.dentistry is
irrelevant to at least three of those groups.

--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?