Tom wrote:
> Bill Rider wrote:
>> Leon Fisk wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:03:33 -0500, Bill Rider
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> comments in-line
>>>
>>>> Leon Fisk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 07:53:50 -0500, "R.H."
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>>>
>>>>> Take a look at this patent:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.google.com/patents?vid=1096912
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is another patent from the same individual, but a bit
>>>>> earlier edition. Notice how the cleats he designed for
>>>>> biting into the ground are similar:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.google.com/patents?vid=1039736
>>>>>
>>>>> Could be wrong, but the first one looks to be pretty darn
>>>>> close...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> That convinces me it was a horse overshoe. That crafty inventor
>>>> didn't mention ice or mud!
>>>
>>>
>>> I found the patent digging through the source, US Patent
>>> Office website and searching on Class numbers. Sometimes
>>> Google won't get it...
>>
>>
>> Well, it wasn't patented in 1914 as a 168/30. I wish I knew what the
>> classifications meant.
> >
> >
> To put you out of your misery. :-)
>
> Tom
> http://www.uspto.gov/go/classification/selectnumwithtitle.htm
Out of my misery? Now I'm more obsessed than ever! :)
"BillM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:vk36j.8267$gs.4191@trndny08...
>
> "DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote in message > 1166) Hmm ... the
> brass tip on the wooden dowel looks as though it
>> could be used for seating spherical bullets in muzzle loading
>> firearms, but I'm not quite sure what the function of the brass
>> part on the larger diameter section might be.
>
> Put the chunk of patching cloth across the muzzle. Ball in the middle,
> push it in
> with the brass part on the larger diameter section. Use you patch knife
> to cut the
> patch off flush with the muzzle. Use the longer end to push the patched
> ball a few inches
> down the bore. Finish seating with the ramrod.
I hope you don't mind but I used your description on my answer page, I knew
it was a ball starter but wasn't sure exactly how it was used. Let me know
if you want your name posted along with your answer.
Another tough set this week, but most of them have been answered correctly:
http://pzphotosans209r.blogspot.com/
I sent an email to GJG Electronics, I'll let everyone know if they identify
number 1161 for us.
Rob
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> 1164 is ice cleats for a horse??
>
> I looked at those and thought they may be half crampons for mountain
> climbers. But the cleat design was all wrong. It never occured to me that
> they may be for a horse.
>
> I wonder how common these things were at one time.
I looked on google patents for this one, never did find it but was surprised
at how many variations of it there were. They must have been pretty common
100 years ago.
>I can not imagine they are used much anymore.
Probably not as much, though I found a good article about winter riding
strategies here:
http://www.equisearch.com/horses_care/health/winter/wintershoe013003/
Rob
> Horse ice cleats occurred to me, but I thought, "Naaa..."
>
> I think the blades on the bottom would soon be as slippery as dull ice
> skates. Their depth could make them fragile if the horse stepped on a
> rock. I don't see how the three studs on top would help secure them.
>
> Could they be for brief use on a draft horse on soft ground? The handles
> look useless. Might a farmer need them to lift a horse's foot?
>
> Do you have evidence that's not clear in the photos?
I don't have any evidence, the reason that I say they're horse shoes is
because that's what the owner of them said, he was trying to sell them for
thirty dollars. The only text on them is "pat. pend." and "small", so there
should be a patent on them, but as I mentioned earlier I couldn't find it.
I think that they probably are horse cleats, but not exactly an optimal
design. If anyone can find evidence to the contrary I'd be happy to take a
look.
>Do the blades form a
> box that might be wedged over the end of a rectangular post?
I didn't buy them so I can't take a close look to see if they form a box or
not. I took
the photos months ago, so I don't have a strong memory of them.
When I get some time I'll take another shot at searching the patents.
Rob
"William Wixon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "William Wixon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> 1164. i woulda guessed horse shoes for walking on ice but i have no idea
>> what that handle-like protrusion coming off the back would be for, so,
>> maybe not horse ice shoes.
>>
>>
>>
>
> i tried to see if i could find horse ice shoes, didn't, but came across
> this. thought it was funny. wondered if the horse felt humiliated by
> having such silly looking shoes put on him.
> http://www.leeziegler.com/snowsh.html
> and then this, kinda like item 1164 but not really.
> http://transylvanianhorseman.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/10/31/img_3820.jpg
Thanks for the links, you're right, those snow shoes are kind of odd
looking.
Rob
> Hi Rob,
>
> Take a look at this patent:
>
> http://www.google.com/patents?vid=1096912
>
> Here is another patent from the same individual, but a bit
> earlier edition. Notice how the cleats he designed for
> biting into the ground are similar:
>
> http://www.google.com/patents?vid=1039736
>
> Could be wrong, but the first one looks to be pretty darn
> close...
Awesome, thanks Leon! Just updated the answer page with a link to the
patent.
Rob
On Dec 6, 4:30 am, "R.H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Set number 209 has just been posted:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
> Rob
1163 is a seal puller for mechanics.
Jim
Leon Fisk wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:03:33 -0500, Bill Rider
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> comments in-line
>
>> Leon Fisk wrote:
>>> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 07:53:50 -0500, "R.H."
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>> Hi Rob,
>>>
>>> Take a look at this patent:
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/patents?vid=1096912
>>>
>>> Here is another patent from the same individual, but a bit
>>> earlier edition. Notice how the cleats he designed for
>>> biting into the ground are similar:
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/patents?vid=1039736
>>>
>>> Could be wrong, but the first one looks to be pretty darn
>>> close...
>
>
>> That convinces me it was a horse overshoe. That crafty inventor didn't
>> mention ice or mud!
>
> I found the patent digging through the source, US Patent
> Office website and searching on Class numbers. Sometimes
> Google won't get it...
Well, it wasn't patented in 1914 as a 168/30. I wish I knew what the
classifications meant.
>
>> A wet clay bank can be hard to climb if the clay is firm. I wonder if
>> the device in the photos was for slick spots like that. I think the
>> handles would have been detrimental in the long run but might have made
>> the overshoes easier to put on and remove.
>
> If you look at the first patent the part you are calling a
> "handle" was used to hold a strap in place. What Rob took
> pictures of seems to have been missing a few parts.
I would not call the part in the patent drawing a handle. It's short
and light, as one would expect of something designed to hold a strap
behind a hoof.
>
>> Herman also invented a match safe and a tire chain. Maybe he fashioned
>> the device and filed for a patent, but it wasn't feasible and no patent
>> was granted.
>
> One thing I have learned by pawing through old patents is
> that there were an awful lot of items that were never
> actually produced. The Patent office doesn't care if
> something is practical or not, but rather if it is unique or
> novel in design or function...
>
So as long as it was filed it should have been granted if it was unique.
Would any additional fee or paperwork have been required of the inventor?
I see it now! Herman lived in or near DC. The War Department was
worried that the cavalry would miss the war. The horses needed cleats
to climb out of the trenches and charge the machine guns. How do you
recruit young men to charge machine guns on horseback? With images of
troopers happily toasting bread over a campfire. So Herman invented a
combination horse overshoe and toaster!
On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 07:53:50 -0500, "R.H."
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Horse ice cleats occurred to me, but I thought, "Naaa..."
>>
>> I think the blades on the bottom would soon be as
>> slippery as dull ice skates. Their depth could make them
>> fragile if the horse stepped on a rock. I don't see how
>> the three studs on top would help secure them.
>>
>> Could they be for brief use on a draft horse on soft
>> ground? The handles look useless. Might a farmer need
>> them to lift a horse's foot?
>>
>> Do you have evidence that's not clear in the photos?
>
>I don't have any evidence, the reason that I say they're
>horse shoes is because that's what the owner of them said,
>he was trying to sell them for thirty dollars. The only
>text on them is "pat. pend." and "small", so there should
>be a patent on them, but as I mentioned earlier I couldn't
>find it. I think that they probably are horse cleats, but
>not exactly an optimal design. If anyone can find evidence
>to the contrary I'd be happy to take a look.
>
>>Do the blades form a box that might be wedged over the end
>>of a rectangular post?
>
>I didn't buy them so I can't take a close look to see if
>they form a box or not. I took the photos months ago, so I
>don't have a strong memory of them.
>
>When I get some time I'll take another shot at searching
>the patents.
>
Hi Rob,
Take a look at this patent:
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=1096912
Here is another patent from the same individual, but a bit
earlier edition. Notice how the cleats he designed for
biting into the ground are similar:
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=1039736
Could be wrong, but the first one looks to be pretty darn
close...
--
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Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:18:50 -0500, CBFalconer
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Leon Fisk wrote:
>>
>... snip ...
>>
>> Another thing of interest was that it took over two years
>> for the patent to be granted. The application date was Jan
>> 29, 1912 and the grant was for May 19, 1914. That was a long
>> time back then for a simple device. I noticed in doing past
>> research that many simple items were granted in 6 months or
>> less. Sometimes a year. I don't know why this one took over
>> 2 years.
>
>Obviously the machine crashed :-)
That is a good a reason as any (grin).
In just doing casual research I've notice that the earlier
patents slipped through the system faster. As the years
progressed (closer to today) they take longer. Current back
log is huge. See for current estimates:
http://www.xconomy.com/2007/11/15/annual-patent-report-shows-growing-backlog-in-key-technology-areas/
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1164 is ice cleats for a horse??
I looked at those and thought they may be half crampons for mountain
climbers. But the cleat design was all wrong. It never occured to me that
they may be for a horse.
I wonder how common these things were at one time. I can not imagine they
are used much anymore.
You certainly specialize in the obscure and arcane don't you?
Leon Fisk wrote:
>
> Sometimes Google fails and won't cough up a good patent
> number. If I really want to see it then I look at the tif
> image via US Pat.
>
Well, I've checked the 168/30s from January 1, 1910 to January 1, 1920.
I've found a third Joseph Herman cleat: 991,778.
I haven't found anything like Rob's photos. I wonder if it was
classified as a training device, to train draft horses to take small
steps. Either that or a toaster. :)
On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:20:23 -0500, Bill Rider
<[email protected]> wrote:
>The tiff images have always been a problem. Safari, my usual browser,
>opens them too big. If I want to see the whole page at once, it takes
>extra steps. Firefox shows me the whole page but often won't open them
>at all.
Use the US Patent site to locate the patent number of
interest. Feed the patent number to Google and let them
display the image as a png which most browsers can render
directly. Here is my Google search string:
http://www.google.com/patents?q=%s&btnG=Search+Patents&num=20
Replace the %s in the above string with the patent number of
interest. Like this:
http://www.google.com/patents?q=1096912&btnG=Search+Patents&num=20
This will give you Googles general patent search page with
number 1096912 results. Usually the first link is what you
will want to persue farther.
I use the Opera web browser and have that set up as a
special search and can just highlight some text, right-click
on it and search via a popup menu.
If you just want one individual patent number use:
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=1096912
Sometimes Google fails and won't cough up a good patent
number. If I really want to see it then I look at the tif
image via US Pat.
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R.H. wrote:
>
>
>> Horse ice cleats occurred to me, but I thought, "Naaa..."
>>
>> I think the blades on the bottom would soon be as slippery as dull ice
>> skates. Their depth could make them fragile if the horse stepped on a
>> rock. I don't see how the three studs on top would help secure them.
>>
>> Could they be for brief use on a draft horse on soft ground? The handles
>> look useless. Might a farmer need them to lift a horse's foot?
>>
>> Do you have evidence that's not clear in the photos?
>
> I don't have any evidence, the reason that I say they're horse shoes is
> because that's what the owner of them said, he was trying to sell them for
> thirty dollars. The only text on them is "pat. pend." and "small", so
> there
> should be a patent on them, but as I mentioned earlier I couldn't find it.
> I think that they probably are horse cleats, but not exactly an optimal
> design. If anyone can find evidence to the contrary I'd be happy to take a
> look.
>
>
>> Do the blades form a
>> box that might be wedged over the end of a rectangular post?
>
>
> I didn't buy them so I can't take a close look to see if they form a box
> or not. I took
> the photos months ago, so I don't have a strong memory of them.
>
>
> When I get some time I'll take another shot at searching the patents.
>
>
>
> Rob
>
I looked at every Google patent with "horse" and "ice". Nothing
resembled it. I searched for "horse" and "mud" and "shoe" and found
some similar cleats but nothing with a handle. I should look more
carefully through the horse overshoes to see if any has a pattern of
three studs on top.
Were there only two? For two legged horses? How about ice-fishing
shacks about 1880? You wouldn't want to blow across the ice when the
wind came up. So you put these under posts at diagonally opposite
corners. You lever up the corner and use the handle to position the
device without taking off your mitt or mashing your hand.
Leon Fisk wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 07:53:50 -0500, "R.H."
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Horse ice cleats occurred to me, but I thought, "Naaa..."
>>>
>>> I think the blades on the bottom would soon be as
>>> slippery as dull ice skates. Their depth could make them
>>> fragile if the horse stepped on a rock. I don't see how
>>> the three studs on top would help secure them.
>>>
>>> Could they be for brief use on a draft horse on soft
>>> ground? The handles look useless. Might a farmer need
>>> them to lift a horse's foot?
>>>
>>> Do you have evidence that's not clear in the photos?
>> I don't have any evidence, the reason that I say they're
>> horse shoes is because that's what the owner of them said,
>> he was trying to sell them for thirty dollars. The only
>> text on them is "pat. pend." and "small", so there should
>> be a patent on them, but as I mentioned earlier I couldn't
>> find it. I think that they probably are horse cleats, but
>> not exactly an optimal design. If anyone can find evidence
>> to the contrary I'd be happy to take a look.
>>
>>> Do the blades form a box that might be wedged over the end
>>> of a rectangular post?
>> I didn't buy them so I can't take a close look to see if
>> they form a box or not. I took the photos months ago, so I
>> don't have a strong memory of them.
>>
>> When I get some time I'll take another shot at searching
>> the patents.
>>
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> Take a look at this patent:
>
> http://www.google.com/patents?vid=1096912
>
> Here is another patent from the same individual, but a bit
> earlier edition. Notice how the cleats he designed for
> biting into the ground are similar:
>
> http://www.google.com/patents?vid=1039736
>
> Could be wrong, but the first one looks to be pretty darn
> close...
>
That convinces me it was a horse overshoe. That crafty inventor didn't
mention ice or mud!
A wet clay bank can be hard to climb if the clay is firm. I wonder if
the device in the photos was for slick spots like that. I think the
handles would have been detrimental in the long run but might have made
the overshoes easier to put on and remove.
Herman also invented a match safe and a tire chain. Maybe he fashioned
the device and filed for a patent, but it wasn't feasible and no patent
was granted.
On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:03:33 -0500, Bill Rider
<[email protected]> wrote:
comments in-line
>Leon Fisk wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 07:53:50 -0500, "R.H."
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
<snip>
>> Hi Rob,
>>
>> Take a look at this patent:
>>
>> http://www.google.com/patents?vid=1096912
>>
>> Here is another patent from the same individual, but a bit
>> earlier edition. Notice how the cleats he designed for
>> biting into the ground are similar:
>>
>> http://www.google.com/patents?vid=1039736
>>
>> Could be wrong, but the first one looks to be pretty darn
>> close...
>That convinces me it was a horse overshoe. That crafty inventor didn't
>mention ice or mud!
I found the patent digging through the source, US Patent
Office website and searching on Class numbers. Sometimes
Google won't get it...
>A wet clay bank can be hard to climb if the clay is firm. I wonder if
>the device in the photos was for slick spots like that. I think the
>handles would have been detrimental in the long run but might have made
>the overshoes easier to put on and remove.
If you look at the first patent the part you are calling a
"handle" was used to hold a strap in place. What Rob took
pictures of seems to have been missing a few parts.
>Herman also invented a match safe and a tire chain. Maybe he fashioned
>the device and filed for a patent, but it wasn't feasible and no patent
>was granted.
One thing I have learned by pawing through old patents is
that there were an awful lot of items that were never
actually produced. The Patent office doesn't care if
something is practical or not, but rather if it is unique or
novel in design or function...
--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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Bill Rider wrote:
> Leon Fisk wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 07:53:50 -0500, "R.H."
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> Horse ice cleats occurred to me, but I thought, "Naaa..."
>>>>
>>>> I think the blades on the bottom would soon be as
>>>> slippery as dull ice skates. Their depth could make them
>>>> fragile if the horse stepped on a rock. I don't see how
>>>> the three studs on top would help secure them.
>>>>
>>>> Could they be for brief use on a draft horse on soft
>>>> ground? The handles look useless. Might a farmer need
>>>> them to lift a horse's foot?
>>>>
>>>> Do you have evidence that's not clear in the photos?
>>> I don't have any evidence, the reason that I say they're
>>> horse shoes is because that's what the owner of them said,
>>> he was trying to sell them for thirty dollars. The only
>>> text on them is "pat. pend." and "small", so there should
>>> be a patent on them, but as I mentioned earlier I couldn't
>>> find it. I think that they probably are horse cleats, but
>>> not exactly an optimal design. If anyone can find evidence
>>> to the contrary I'd be happy to take a look.
>>>
>>>> Do the blades form a box that might be wedged over the end
>>>> of a rectangular post?
>>> I didn't buy them so I can't take a close look to see if
>>> they form a box or not. I took the photos months ago, so I
>>> don't have a strong memory of them.
>>>
>>> When I get some time I'll take another shot at searching
>>> the patents.
>>>
>>
>> Hi Rob,
>>
>> Take a look at this patent:
>>
>> http://www.google.com/patents?vid=1096912
>>
>> Here is another patent from the same individual, but a bit
>> earlier edition. Notice how the cleats he designed for
>> biting into the ground are similar:
>>
>> http://www.google.com/patents?vid=1039736
>>
>> Could be wrong, but the first one looks to be pretty darn
>> close...
>>
> That convinces me it was a horse overshoe. That crafty inventor
> didn't mention ice or mud!
>
> A wet clay bank can be hard to climb if the clay is firm. I wonder
> if
> the device in the photos was for slick spots like that. I think the
> handles would have been detrimental in the long run but might have
> made the overshoes easier to put on and remove.
>
> Herman also invented a match safe and a tire chain. Maybe he
> fashioned the device and filed for a patent, but it wasn't feasible
> and no patent was granted.
Something doesn't have to be "feasible" to be patented. Boeing (IIRC)
has a patent for a dinghy to be towed behind an airplane while
suspended under a square parachute.
--
--
--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Bill Rider wrote:
> Leon Fisk wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:03:33 -0500, Bill Rider
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> comments in-line
>>
>>> Leon Fisk wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 07:53:50 -0500, "R.H."
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>>
>>>> Take a look at this patent:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.google.com/patents?vid=1096912
>>>>
>>>> Here is another patent from the same individual, but a bit
>>>> earlier edition. Notice how the cleats he designed for
>>>> biting into the ground are similar:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.google.com/patents?vid=1039736
>>>>
>>>> Could be wrong, but the first one looks to be pretty darn
>>>> close...
>>
>>
>>
>>> That convinces me it was a horse overshoe. That crafty inventor
>>> didn't mention ice or mud!
>>
>>
>> I found the patent digging through the source, US Patent
>> Office website and searching on Class numbers. Sometimes
>> Google won't get it...
>
>
> Well, it wasn't patented in 1914 as a 168/30. I wish I knew what the
> classifications meant.
>
>
To put you out of your misery. :-)
Tom
http://www.uspto.gov/go/classification/selectnumwithtitle.htm
Bill Rider wrote:
> Leon Fisk wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:03:33 -0500, Bill Rider
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> comments in-line
>>
>>> Leon Fisk wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 07:53:50 -0500, "R.H."
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>>
>>>> Take a look at this patent:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.google.com/patents?vid=1096912
>>>>
>>>> Here is another patent from the same individual, but a bit
>>>> earlier edition. Notice how the cleats he designed for
>>>> biting into the ground are similar:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.google.com/patents?vid=1039736
>>>>
>>>> Could be wrong, but the first one looks to be pretty darn
>>>> close...
>>
>>
>>
>>> That convinces me it was a horse overshoe. That crafty inventor
>>> didn't mention ice or mud!
>>
>>
>> I found the patent digging through the source, US Patent
>> Office website and searching on Class numbers. Sometimes
>> Google won't get it...
>
>
> Well, it wasn't patented in 1914 as a 168/30. I wish I knew what the
> classifications meant.
>
>
Might try again...
To put you out of your misery. :-)
http://www.uspto.gov/go/classification/selectnumwithtitle.htm
Tom
"R.H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "BillM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:vk36j.8267$gs.4191@trndny08...
>>
>> "DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
>> 1166) Hmm ... the brass tip on the wooden dowel looks as
>> though it
>>> could be used for seating spherical bullets in muzzle
>>> loading
>>> firearms, but I'm not quite sure what the function of
>>> the brass
>>> part on the larger diameter section might be.
>>
>> Put the chunk of patching cloth across the muzzle. Ball
>> in the middle, push it in
>> with the brass part on the larger diameter section. Use
>> you patch knife to cut the
>> patch off flush with the muzzle. Use the longer end to
>> push the patched ball a few inches
>> down the bore. Finish seating with the ramrod.
>
>
> I hope you don't mind but I used your description on my
> answer page, I knew it was a ball starter but wasn't sure
> exactly how it was used. Let me know if you want your
> name posted along with your answer.
Use my name if you want, or not---up to you. No problem at
all using it on the answer
page. Heck---I was thrilled that I knew what a couple of
them were this week!!
Bill
In article <[email protected]>,
"R.H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
Rather a varied group this time. All rather wild guesses...
1160 -- I assume the reverse side of this is very similar to this side,
otherwise it would have been shown. The side thumbscrew obviously
adjusts the two side pinchers somewhat, and the top one presumably moves
the inner plunger up and down. Is this perhaps a jewel setter for
putting jewel bearings in watches or clocks?
1161 -- Presumably this is a part to some larger construction. The logo
on the back appears to say GJG Model PDC04; there are several GJG
companies, but the one that seems most likely is GJG Electronics Ltd,
which makes scoreboards, digital temperature measurement systems, and
some other products. I suspect this may be a sensor for one of their
products, either a temperature sensor or a scoring or other sensor for
use with a scoreboard.
1162 -- This seems to be intended to hold a card at a calibrated angle
and azimuth. Based on the non-linear and somewhat arbitrary appearing
index lines, I suspect it may be used to sketch certain perspectives,
possibly for surveying maps or for scaling images in different ways.
1163 -- This sure seems like it ought to be familiar, but I cannot place
it. The business end rather obviously fits around shafting or bars
somehow. Maybe this is a prybar for testing crankshaft bearings in
gasoline engines?
1164 -- Like 1163, I think I've seen something like this before, but no
clue what it is now.
1165 -- This looks rather like an automotive ball joint removal tool.
1166 -- Mallet for carvers who can't make up their mind about what sort
of striking surface to use.
Now to see other guesses....
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R.H. wrote:
>
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> 1164 is ice cleats for a horse??
>>
>> I looked at those and thought they may be half crampons for mountain
>> climbers. But the cleat design was all wrong. It never occured to me
>> that they may be for a horse.
>>
>> I wonder how common these things were at one time.
>
>
> I looked on google patents for this one, never did find it but was
> surprised at how many variations of it there were. They must have been
> pretty common 100 years ago.
>
>
>> I can not imagine they are used much anymore.
>
>
> Probably not as much, though I found a good article about winter riding
> strategies here:
>
> http://www.equisearch.com/horses_care/health/winter/wintershoe013003/
>
>
> Rob
>
>
Horse ice cleats occurred to me, but I thought, "Naaa..."
I think the blades on the bottom would soon be as slippery as dull ice
skates. Their depth could make them fragile if the horse stepped on a
rock. I don't see how the three studs on top would help secure them.
Could they be for brief use on a draft horse on soft ground? The
handles look useless. Might a farmer need them to lift a horse's foot?
Do you have evidence that's not clear in the photos? Do the blades form
a box that might be wedged over the end of a rectangular post?
Leon Fisk wrote:
>
... snip ...
>
> Another thing of interest was that it took over two years
> for the patent to be granted. The application date was Jan
> 29, 1912 and the grant was for May 19, 1914. That was a long
> time back then for a simple device. I noticed in doing past
> research that many simple items were granted in 6 months or
> less. Sometimes a year. I don't know why this one took over
> 2 years.
Obviously the machine crashed :-)
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Leon Fisk wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:45:31 -0500, Bill Rider
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Leon Fisk wrote:
>>
>>> Sometimes Google fails and won't cough up a good patent
>>> number. If I really want to see it then I look at the tif
>>> image via US Pat.
>>>
>> Well, I've checked the 168/30s from January 1, 1910 to January 1, 1920.
>> I've found a third Joseph Herman cleat: 991,778.
>>
>> I haven't found anything like Rob's photos. I wonder if it was
>> classified as a training device, to train draft horses to take small
>> steps. Either that or a toaster. :)
>
> I saw/looked at the earlier patent too. It didn't seem
> relevant to this discussion so I didn't mention it.
>
> If I was a betting man (I'm not) I would put my money on the
> first patent I listed previously as to the one in Rob's
> photo.
>
> http://www.google.com/patents?vid=1096912
>
> Notice that the patent uses the same odd looking round knobs
> on the front and the cleats underneath are virtually
> identical. Both in size and placement.
Notice that the patent has only one lug on top of the plate, to rest
behind the toe of the shoe. Rob's has three, to rest inside the shoe at
three points.
>
> Note too that the "handle" part that bothers you would
> actually be partially underneath the horses hoof.
>
> The patent image/drawing was an earlier version and the one
> that Rob took pictures of was a production model. What was
> changed cosmetically had nothing to do with what earned
> Joseph a patent on this device.
It looks more than cosmetic to me. The inventor said the back stay was
malleable iron to be flexible so the three stays would embrace the hoof.
Rob's back stay doesn't look at all flexible.
Rob's system would depend on engaging the shoe with three lugs on the
overshoe. That's not described in the patent.
>
> Another thing of interest was that it took over two years
> for the patent to be granted. The application date was Jan
> 29, 1912 and the grant was for May 19, 1914. That was a long
> time back then for a simple device. I noticed in doing past
> research that many simple items were granted in 6 months or
> less. Sometimes a year. I don't know why this one took over
> 2 years.
>
> That's my story anyway :)
>
Here's another one that took more than two years: 2,247,674.
The patent office classifies it as a combination bread slicer and horse
cleat. If Ronald Reagan were alive we could ask him if it wasn't images
of troopers toasting bread over a campfire that enticed him to enlist in
the cavalry. :)
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:45:31 -0500, Bill Rider
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Leon Fisk wrote:
>
>>
>> Sometimes Google fails and won't cough up a good patent
>> number. If I really want to see it then I look at the tif
>> image via US Pat.
>>
>
>Well, I've checked the 168/30s from January 1, 1910 to January 1, 1920.
> I've found a third Joseph Herman cleat: 991,778.
>
>I haven't found anything like Rob's photos. I wonder if it was
>classified as a training device, to train draft horses to take small
>steps. Either that or a toaster. :)
I saw/looked at the earlier patent too. It didn't seem
relevant to this discussion so I didn't mention it.
If I was a betting man (I'm not) I would put my money on the
first patent I listed previously as to the one in Rob's
photo.
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=1096912
Notice that the patent uses the same odd looking round knobs
on the front and the cleats underneath are virtually
identical. Both in size and placement.
Note too that the "handle" part that bothers you would
actually be partially underneath the horses hoof.
The patent image/drawing was an earlier version and the one
that Rob took pictures of was a production model. What was
changed cosmetically had nothing to do with what earned
Joseph a patent on this device.
Another thing of interest was that it took over two years
for the patent to be granted. The application date was Jan
29, 1912 and the grant was for May 19, 1914. That was a long
time back then for a simple device. I noticed in doing past
research that many simple items were granted in 6 months or
less. Sometimes a year. I don't know why this one took over
2 years.
That's my story anyway :)
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On 2007-12-06, R.H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> Set number 209 has just been posted:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
O.K. Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking, as usual.
1160) This looks like a hand puller for watches and perhaps
small clocks. It would also work on dial indicators.
1161) Well ... it *could* be a electromagnet, or a demagnetizing
coil -- perhaps even for use on the burnout device at cash
registers to deactivate the anti-theft device in much of today's
merchandise.
It could also be a transducer like perhaps a tweeter as part of
a speaker setup.
1162) A fixture for holding something (some unknown thing) at a
compound angle. It looks to be marked as 23 and (I think) 12
degrees on one of the scales, but I'm not sure why someone would
want those specific angles. And I can't see enough to tell
whether the vertical angle arc is also marked.
1163) This looks like a tool for pulling stuffing out of packed
grooves, such as the oakum used for waterproofing the seams
in old wooden ships.
1164) Perhaps ice cleats for fitting over the heals on shoes when you
need to walk on icy streets/sidewalks -- or frozen lakes?
1165) Perhaps a wrench for removing and installing cleats on shoes?
1166) Hmm ... the brass tip on the wooden dowel looks as though it
could be used for seating spherical bullets in muzzle loading
firearms, but I'm not quite sure what the function of the brass
part on the larger diameter section might be.
Now to see what others have answered.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:41:19 -0500, Bill Rider
<[email protected]> wrote:
<snip>
>Well, it wasn't patented in 1914 as a 168/30. I wish I knew what the
>classifications meant.
Tom gave you a link for classifications. Here is another one
that I prefer:
http://www.patentec.com/data/class/ClassesN.html
Actually it was patented in 1914 under two classifications:
Issue Date: May 19, 1914
Current U.S. Class: 168/1 ; 168/30
See:
http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=1096912
Searching pre-1976 patents via the US Patent website isn't
for the faint of heart though. There was something like 367
patents granted for classification 168/30 in the database. I
was just a bit lucky in finding this one. You don't hear
about all my failures in finding these things...
<snip>
>I would not call the part in the patent drawing a handle. It's short
>and light, as one would expect of something designed to hold a strap
>behind a hoof.
Many times I have noticed that the patent drawings are not
exactly the same as the manufactured device. I suspect that
the "handle" part was changed in the produced item. Either
for better performance/ease of use or simply because it was
easier to make.
I far from being a patent expert, just a curious person that
likes puzzles, probably much like yourself :)
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Leon Fisk wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:41:19 -0500, Bill Rider
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Well, it wasn't patented in 1914 as a 168/30. I wish I knew what the
>> classifications meant.
>
> Tom gave you a link for classifications. Here is another one
> that I prefer:
>
> http://www.patentec.com/data/class/ClassesN.html
>
> Actually it was patented in 1914 under two classifications:
>
> Issue Date: May 19, 1914
> Current U.S. Class: 168/1 ; 168/30
>
> See:
>
> http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=1096912
Definitions! Thanks!
>
> Searching pre-1976 patents via the US Patent website isn't
> for the faint of heart though. There was something like 367
> patents granted for classification 168/30 in the database. I
> was just a bit lucky in finding this one. You don't hear
> about all my failures in finding these things...
The tiff images have always been a problem. Safari, my usual browser,
opens them too big. If I want to see the whole page at once, it takes
extra steps. Firefox shows me the whole page but often won't open them
at all.
>
> <snip>
>> I would not call the part in the patent drawing a handle. It's short
>> and light, as one would expect of something designed to hold a strap
>> behind a hoof.
>
> Many times I have noticed that the patent drawings are not
> exactly the same as the manufactured device. I suspect that
> the "handle" part was changed in the produced item. Either
> for better performance/ease of use or simply because it was
> easier to make.
For a human's sandal, the little "handle" in the patent drawing looks
reasonable for holding a strap that would pass over the instep. The
"handle" in Rob's photos looks too big and obtrusive for that.
I have another idea. With a motor vehicle, shifting to the right gear
can help you cross mud without spinning and bogging. Perhaps it worked
best for a horse pulling something on a slippery surface to take small
steps. Perhaps these "handles" were intended to accept straps that
could limit the size of the steps. If the strap were too close to the
hoof it might get tangled in the cleats.
>
> I far from being a patent expert, just a curious person that
> likes puzzles, probably much like yourself :)
>
Fortunately I enjoy being wrong, which opens a lot more opportunities
than being right.
On 2007-12-07, BillM <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
[ ... ]
>> firearms, but I'm not quite sure what the function of the
>> brass
>> part on the larger diameter section might be.
>
> Put the chunk of patching cloth across the muzzle. Ball in
> the middle, push it in
> with the brass part on the larger diameter section. Use you
> patch knife to cut the
> patch off flush with the muzzle. Use the longer end to push
> the patched ball a few inches
> down the bore. Finish seating with the ramrod.
Aha -- Thanks.
Enjoy,
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"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
1166) Hmm ... the brass tip on the wooden dowel looks as
though it
> could be used for seating spherical bullets in muzzle
> loading
> firearms, but I'm not quite sure what the function of the
> brass
> part on the larger diameter section might be.
Put the chunk of patching cloth across the muzzle. Ball in
the middle, push it in
with the brass part on the larger diameter section. Use you
patch knife to cut the
patch off flush with the muzzle. Use the longer end to push
the patched ball a few inches
down the bore. Finish seating with the ramrod.
Bill