On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:50:07 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 01:15:06 -0400, Bill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The stamps *damn-near validate a crime against humanity (IMNSHO)*!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And they say that southerners are passionate about that war :-).
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's too bad I'm not a mail carrier--I might mark some letters "Return
>>> To Sender", along with a diatribe about why I wouldn't deliver them.
>>> ; )
>>
>> Maybe that's why my mail service is TOTALLY BAD.... it's a conspiracy at
>> the sorting center best I can tell.
>>
>> John
>
>
>You're not using those "LOVE" stamps, are you? ; )
Why? Do you think love is a crime against humanity, too? ;-)
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:26:17 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Bill wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I feel that if you give a youngster some of these postage stamps than
>>> you will have given them the *wrong* message. A little like giving
>>> them fast food to eat (that is almost-always unhealthy). I'm not
>>> planning to purchase any commemorative civil war stamps for my own
>>> collection or usage. And as you can tell, I've run my own campaign
>>> against them right here and gained further insight in the process.
>>> Thank you for listening and writing.
>>>
>>
>> Oh good lord - now it's hit the point of "thinking of the children...". You
>> are stretching with this Bill. You can feel any way you wish about the
>> Civil War, The War Between The States, The War of Northern Aggression, etc.,
>> and it really does not matter - it happened and what you think about it
>> today does not change that one bit.
>
>Suppose I accept what you said. Then if you multiply my feelings by the
>number of our population, then you would conclude that what the populace
>thinks doesn't change things one bit again. But that, I think, is absurd.
>
>Just as we're producing a generation of non-craftsman now, and students
>who "don't like math", we will produce a generation ignorant of the
>atrocity of the civil war. One needs to familiarize themselves with the
>details to realize the atrocity. How many bother? The stamps "belittle"
>the issue, IMHO--and that is all that prompted my original post.
>Changing one word of Neil Young's verse: "I've seen the postage and the
>damage done, a little bit of it in everyone...".
How does a piece of paper with some stickum on the back "belittle" anything or
anyone?
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:26:43 -0500, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:33:07 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:33:01 -0400, Bill wrote:
>>
>>> I have a hard time understanding people interest in "re-living"
>>> greed/hate through reenactment....or even postage stamps.
>>
>>Just remember the hate was in the south, the greed was in the north.
>>
>>In case you don't understand that:
>>
>>1. The south was morally wrong to secede over slavery.
>>
>>2. The north was legally wrong in stopping them.
>
>Except that slavery wasn't the reason, rather the excuse.
Not an excuse but a diplomatic ploy to keep Great Britian from
recognizing the CSA.
Mark
Bill wrote:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>> If I caught it correctly (and you can
>> correct me if I did not...), you are not even that well versed on
>> the Civil War, having only read a small amount about it.
>
> I read one 2-3 inch thick book about 5 years ago to learn more. If you
> consider that a small amount, than yes I've read only a small amount
> recently. I'm sorry to have to quality my credentials for offering an
> opinion here
I'm sorry if I created that impression Bill. That is not at all what I was
trying to say.
(do you have yours posted somewhere?) We will probably
> have a better discussion if we don't direct these sorts of questions
> directly to each other, but instead offer them to the group for open
> discussion. We don't want to put anyone on the defensive, do we (or
> should we build a cross?) I will share with you that it is Much Easier to
> play the
> critic.
The art of conversation includes the ability to direct points to each other,
only without dennegrating one another in the process.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 2011-04-15 20:02:17 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> said:
> However, I do find it odd that anyone would want to collect a postage
> stamp that commemorates the civil war--except in the case where he or
> she is in a position to view the civil war as a source of his or her
> "freedom".
Ever collect stamps, Bill? It's less about editorial content than completism.
A commemorative stamp is one other than regular postage*, though an
argument could be made that a regular postage stamp bearing the picture
of a past president, say, commemorates that individual or his years of
service (?) to the country. In recent years, commemoratives have become
a revenue generator -- if you collect full sheets of stamps picturing
cars of the '50s but don't paste the stamps on letters, the post office
gets the money, you get little bits of paper, and your bill payments
don't get to your creditors <G>.
The commemorative state quarters were the same sort of revenue
generator. I found about $600 worth of them in a drawer when I cleaned
out Dad's house after his death. (I thoughtfully returned them to
circulation, though.)
Oh, and you better cancel your subscription to Smithsonian Magazine --
the latest issue kicks off what will be four years' coverage of the
(history of) Civil War. This IS about editorial content.
*Did you see the hoo-hah over the new "Statue of Liberty" forever
stamp? Wrong statue... the photo was of the one in Las Vegas (a/k/a
Lost Wages). Ironically, this may be a better representation of the
current state of the US.
On 4/15/2011 9:55 PM, Steve wrote:
> On 2011-04-15 20:02:17 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> said:
>
>> However, I do find it odd that anyone would want to collect a postage
>> stamp that commemorates the civil war--except in the case where he or
>> she is in a position to view the civil war as a source of his or her
>> "freedom".
>
> Ever collect stamps, Bill? It's less about editorial content than
> completism.
>
> A commemorative stamp is one other than regular postage*, though an
> argument could be made that a regular postage stamp bearing the picture
> of a past president, say, commemorates that individual or his years of
> service (?) to the country. In recent years, commemoratives have become
> a revenue generator -- if you collect full sheets of stamps picturing
> cars of the '50s but don't paste the stamps on letters, the post office
> gets the money, you get little bits of paper, and your bill payments
> don't get to your creditors <G>.
>
Thurgood Marshall, Jr., whose late father was the first black to serve
on the U.S. Supreme Court, visited Charleston Tuesday to unveil two new
postage stamps commemorating the start of the Civil War.
Marshall, a Washington lawyer who serves on the U.S. Postal Services
board of governors, said he was honored to be back in Charleston to mark
the 150th anniversary of the firing on Fort Sumter, "an event that we
all know changed the course of our history."
"Since the founding of our country, Americans have wrestled with
fundamental questions about the scope of freedom," he said, "and we know
that nothing short of our survival as a nation was at stake during the
Civil War."
Standing before the enlarged images of two stamps depicting Fort Sumter
ablaze and the Battle of Bull Run in northern Virginia, Marshall said
the stamps not only will help bind the country together but also
celebrate the example that the United States offers every nation.
"Today, many issues remain unresolved by this uniquely American war," he
said, "yet one universal truth remains, and that is that we truly are
one nation of free men and free women."
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2011/apr/12/marshall-dedicates-new-civil-war-commemorative-sta/
On 4/17/2011 2:34 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:32:19 -0400, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>>> I wish they'd fold the
>>> orgzanization up and let private industry take over. Private industry
>>> would be held accoutable... the USPS isn't held accountable for the
>>> crappy service.
>>
>> Some have crappy service others have great service. I'm in the latter
>> group. Our carrier has been the same for over 20 years and she does a
>> great job. You might be surprised at the results you get if you complain
>> - unless you're the only person complaining.
>>
>> Some things are better done by private industry, some by government. Way
>> back before the tea party, a conservative politician in northern Illinois
>> campaigned on the premise that the only things the feds should do was
>> raise an army and deliver the mail :-).
>
> Bear in mind that there is no private company that can deliver a package
> the size of a first class letter for the price the postal service
> charges.
>
FWIW, neither can USPS. It loses money on every first class letter. It
has to make that money up on other places, one being commemorative stamps.
"willshak" wrote:
> This is especially notable for me since I was born and lived in the
> same town as Helen, and went to High School with her adopted son,
> James (Jamie) MacArthur (Detective Danial Williams 'Danno' on
> "Hawaii 5-0"). He only spent the 9th grade with us.
------------------------------------
And just recently cashed in his hand and left us.
Lew
Bill wrote:
>
> I feel that if you give a youngster some of these postage stamps than
> you will have given them the *wrong* message. A little like giving
> them fast food to eat (that is almost-always unhealthy). I'm not
> planning to purchase any commemorative civil war stamps for my own
> collection or usage. And as you can tell, I've run my own campaign
> against them right here and gained further insight in the process.
> Thank you for listening and writing.
>
Oh good lord - now it's hit the point of "thinking of the children...". You
are stretching with this Bill. You can feel any way you wish about the
Civil War, The War Between The States, The War of Northern Aggression, etc.,
and it really does not matter - it happened and what you think about it
today does not change that one bit.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Naturally, it takes two to tango.
The Federal government already had blockades on the south some
time before talks broke down. They posted troops to prevent trade
with Europe and the Southern states. Machines were only to be in the
north, and finishing product is the northern mills job. Cheap raw
product was bought by the north and they sold finished goods wherever.
That was in the first of the acts of the war. The south got fed up
with being treated like an indentured servant of the north.
Martin
On 4/17/2011 2:54 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:41:03 +0000, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>
>> If you want to get a good perspective on American history, I suggest:
>>
>> http://www.journalofamericanhistory.org/
>
> Of particular interest is an article on the legality of secession,at:
>
> http://www.historyvortex.org/LegalitySecession.html
>
> Here's a quote which sums up the article:
>
> "If secession was illegal, then the actions of the those eleven Southern
> states led to the destruction of the republic as created by our Founding
> Fathers, and the South bears ultimate responsibility for the deaths of
> the 620,000 Americans who died in the ensuing war. However, if secession
> was a legal action, then blame for the aforementioned tragedies can be
> placed squarely upon the shoulders of President Abraham Lincoln; the
> deification of the putative âGreat Emancipatorâ can cease, and he can be
> forever known as the President who plunged the nation into the bloodiest
> conflict in its history. High stakes indeed! (It is interesting to note
> that the eradication of slavery remains an unblemished virtuous outcome
> of the War for Southern Independence, regardless of where fault may lie
> for the warâs causation. "
>
"Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> It's too bad I'm not a mail carrier--I might mark some letters "Return
>>> To Sender", along with a diatribe about why I wouldn't deliver them.
>>> ; )
>>
>> Maybe that's why my mail service is TOTALLY BAD.... it's a conspiracy at
>> the sorting center best I can tell.
>>
> Trust me, you have not seen bad mail service! In Portland Oregon the other
> day a mail carrier took a dump in some guy's side yard. Yes, really!
>
> http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Mailman-Suspended-for--119879359.html
At least they get their mail.... ;~) I've got my Congressman's office
involved as the PO was not doing anything to resolve the issue... 5 1/2
years now since the problems started.
John
Not about the Civil War stamps, but enough to create another Civil War
I read where the almighty US of A, have issued a new stamp with the almighty
Statue of Liberty on the face,
However, they haven't used the original statue image, but a photo of the
replica in Las Vegas.
Couldn't they find the original statue, was it lost in a snow drift, or lost
in the fog?
Or, maybe, the photographer was too broke from gambling in Las Vegas, so
decided to take a photo of the one there?
Maybe even too drunk on Robatoy's wine , just saw a statue and thought that
was it?
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> DGDevin wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Bill" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>> The first US commemorative stamps, I believe, were of
> >>> Civil War generals...
> >
> >
> >> Nope, I didn't buy any. I have a hard time understanding
> >
> > You got it right up to that point.
> >
> >> people interest in "re-living" greed/hate through reenactment....or
> >> even postage stamps.
> >
> > There's a well-worn line about those who don't know their own history
> > are doomed to repeat it. Studying the past is not reliving it or
> > glorifying it or being amused by it. That you can't grasp that and
> > instead insist that people are somehow expressing approval of war by
> > buying historical commemorative postage stamps is quite odd.
>
> I think you're "trying to put words in my mouth". However, I do find it
> odd that anyone would want to collect a postage stamp that commemorates
> the civil war--except in the case where he or she is in a position to
> view the civil war as a source of his or her "freedom".
Most collectors collect things because that's what they do. A stamp
collector isn't going to collect stamps that commemorate the Civil War
because they commmemorate the Civil War, any more than he would collect
an upside down airplane because he has an interest in inverted flight
(if you don't know "upside down airplane" google it with "stamp" on the
end). He would collect them because they are stamps that he doesn't
have in his collection.
> I don't think the state should "sell lottery tickets" either, while
> forbidding businesses from doing so, but I don't "insist that the people
> who buy them are somehow expressing their approval" of this policy--and
> I don't view the people who buy stamps as expressing their approval of
> war (as you have suggested I must). Not only that, I would distinguish
> the American Civil War from others wars with other sovereign nations.
> Maybe time will suggest I should not. I hope so.
>
> Bill
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> > On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:26:17 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Mike Marlow wrote:
> >>> Bill wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I feel that if you give a youngster some of these postage stamps than
> >>>> you will have given them the *wrong* message. A little like giving
> >>>> them fast food to eat (that is almost-always unhealthy). I'm not
> >>>> planning to purchase any commemorative civil war stamps for my own
> >>>> collection or usage. And as you can tell, I've run my own campaign
> >>>> against them right here and gained further insight in the process.
> >>>> Thank you for listening and writing.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Oh good lord - now it's hit the point of "thinking of the children...". You
> >>> are stretching with this Bill. You can feel any way you wish about the
> >>> Civil War, The War Between The States, The War of Northern Aggression, etc.,
> >>> and it really does not matter - it happened and what you think about it
> >>> today does not change that one bit.
> >>
> >> Suppose I accept what you said. Then if you multiply my feelings by the
> >> number of our population, then you would conclude that what the populace
> >> thinks doesn't change things one bit again. But that, I think, is absurd.
> >>
> >> Just as we're producing a generation of non-craftsman now, and students
> >> who "don't like math", we will produce a generation ignorant of the
> >> atrocity of the civil war. One needs to familiarize themselves with the
> >> details to realize the atrocity. How many bother? The stamps "belittle"
> >> the issue, IMHO--and that is all that prompted my original post.
> >> Changing one word of Neil Young's verse: "I've seen the postage and the
> >> damage done, a little bit of it in everyone...".
> >
> > How does a piece of paper with some stickum on the back "belittle" anything or
> > anyone?
>
> That's a little like saying how could a "word" hurt anybody.... I grew
> up in a place where hurtful words were part of some folks' everyday
> speech. Admittedly, these days I am shocked by the 4-letter words I
> overhear coming out of the mouths of college students in casual
> conversation. That's evolution for ya... lol.
You mean what Tom Wolfe described as the "f**k patois"?
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> Mike Marlow wrote:
> > If I caught it correctly (and you can
> > correct me if I did not...), you are not even that well versed on the Civil
> > War, having only read a small amount about it.
>
> I read one 2-3 inch thick book about 5 years ago to learn more. If you
> consider that a small amount, than yes I've read only a small amount
> recently. I'm sorry to have to quality my credentials for offering an
> opinion here (do you have yours posted somewhere?) We will probably have
> a better discussion if we don't direct these sorts of questions directly
> to each other, but instead offer them to the group for open discussion.
> We don't want to put anyone on the defensive, do we (or should we build
> a cross?) I will share with you that it is Much Easier to play the critic.
Research 101--find an respected source. Then find another credible
source that hates him. Read both. You'll be a long way from having the
whole story, but you'll have much more of it than if you read just one.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:32:19 -0400, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
> > I wish they'd fold the
> > orgzanization up and let private industry take over. Private industry
> > would be held accoutable... the USPS isn't held accountable for the
> > crappy service.
>
> Some have crappy service others have great service. I'm in the latter
> group. Our carrier has been the same for over 20 years and she does a
> great job. You might be surprised at the results you get if you complain
> - unless you're the only person complaining.
>
> Some things are better done by private industry, some by government. Way
> back before the tea party, a conservative politician in northern Illinois
> campaigned on the premise that the only things the feds should do was
> raise an army and deliver the mail :-).
Bear in mind that there is no private company that can deliver a package
the size of a first class letter for the price the postal service
charges.
Lew Hodgett wrote the following:
> "willshak" wrote:
>
>> This is especially notable for me since I was born and lived in the
>> same town as Helen, and went to High School with her adopted son,
>> James (Jamie) MacArthur (Detective Danial Williams 'Danno' on
>> "Hawaii 5-0"). He only spent the 9th grade with us.
>>
> ------------------------------------
> And just recently cashed in his hand and left us.
>
> Lew
Yes, he did. He is buried, along with his mother, in the same town.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
Bill wrote the following:
> George W Frost wrote:
>> Not about the Civil War stamps, but enough to create another Civil War
>>
>> I read where the almighty US of A, have issued a new stamp with the
>> almighty
>> Statue of Liberty on the face,
>> However, they haven't used the original statue image, but a photo of the
>> replica in Las Vegas.
>> Couldn't they find the original statue, was it lost in a snow drift,
>> or lost
>> in the fog?
>> Or, maybe, the photographer was too broke from gambling in Las Vegas, so
>> decided to take a photo of the one there?
>> Maybe even too drunk on Robatoy's wine , just saw a statue and
>> thought that
>> was it?
>>
>
> Yeah, I think I heard they grabbed the image from "Google images" by
> mistake. What sort of "professionals" are these stamp publishers?
>
>
The Las Vegas statue looks better than the real statue.
On a less controversial note, the USPS will honor Helen Hayes, "The
First Lady of the American Theater", with a stamp on April 25th.
This is especially notable for me since I was born and lived in the same
town as Helen, and went to High School with her adopted son, James
(Jamie) MacArthur (Detective Danial Williams 'Danno' on "Hawaii 5-0").
He only spent the 9th grade with us.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
"Bill" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> I think you're "trying to put words in my mouth".
Do you know what quotation marks are supposed to be used for? You seem to
employ them almost at random.
> However, I do find it odd that anyone would want to collect a postage
> stamp that commemorates the civil war--except in the case where he or she
> is in a position to view the civil war as a source of his or her
> "freedom".
Happily nobody has to justify an interest in history.
> I don't think the state should "sell lottery tickets" either, while
> forbidding businesses from doing so, but I don't "insist that the people
> who buy them are somehow expressing their approval" of this policy--and
Nobody is required to buy a lottery ticket, nor are they required to buy a
particular series of commemorative postage stamps, so the issue of their
approval of govt. policy is raised only by your horror over them supposedly
celebrating war:
"What an embarrassment. Celebrating carnage and just how horribly people
are capable of treating each other! 150 year Celebration??? I pass. YMMV."
> I don't view the people who buy stamps as expressing their approval of war
> (as you have suggested I must).
You said you wouldn't be joining in the "celebrating" you apparently think
others will be participating in by buying stamps, but if you now get the
point that someone buying commemorative stamps isn't actually celebrating in
the sense the word is generally used, well that's progress of a sort.
> Not only that, I would distinguish the American Civil War from others wars
> with other sovereign nations. Maybe time will suggest I should not. I hope
> so.
As the man said, war is hell, even the ones fought for a good cause.
John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
> Considering that the mail all has the same exact addressing and comes
> from myriad sources (banks, financial, insurance, periodicals,
> fraternal organizations, schools, local govt and the usual junk) it's
> a mystery why I get mail every day but huge volumes of it never make
> it or come weeks or months late. The problem is upstream of the
> carrier and the local PO... it's at the sorting center(s). The
> latest "excuse" was the address isn't in the national 911 database.
> Funny... the 911 emergency services found it immediately and
> described the location exactly. To paraphrase somebody, "It's the PO
> stupid!" ...not directed at anyone but the system!
Mail delivery dependent on 911?
So when you call the cops to report a drunken Freddy Kruger with a
chain-saw, they'll send you a postcard with instructions?
J. Clarke wrote the following:
> In article <[email protected]>, willshak@
> 00hvc.rr.com says...
>
>> J. Clarke wrote the following:
>>
>>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>>> says...
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 4/18/2011 8:00 AM, Han wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "John Grossbohlin"<[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:34:55 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected]
>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:32:19 -0400, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I wish they'd fold the
>>>>>>>>>> orgzanization up and let private industry take over. Private
>>>>>>>>>> industry would be held accoutable... the USPS isn't held
>>>>>>>>>> accountable for the crappy service.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some have crappy service others have great service. I'm in the
>>>>>>>>> latter group. Our carrier has been the same for over 20 years and
>>>>>>>>> she does a great job. You might be surprised at the results you
>>>>>>>>> get if you complain
>>>>>>>>> - unless you're the only person complaining.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some things are better done by private industry, some by
>>>>>>>>> government. Way
>>>>>>>>> back before the tea party, a conservative politician in northern
>>>>>>>>> Illinois
>>>>>>>>> campaigned on the premise that the only things the feds should do
>>>>>>>>> was raise an army and deliver the mail :-).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bear in mind that there is no private company that can deliver a
>>>>>>>> package the size of a first class letter for the price the postal
>>>>>>>> service charges.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Likely because they're barred from delivering mail. Also note that
>>>>>>> the USPS
>>>>>>> can't deliver mail for the cost of a first class letter, either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my case they don't deliver the mail period... they just "take" the
>>>>>> postage and don't supply any service.... Thus, my mail delivery
>>>>>> experience is like stamp collecting for them... collect money for
>>>>>> nothing but a pretty picture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> No problems here in North Jersey (07410). If indeed mail does not get
>>>>> delivered although it is properly sent, it should (I think) be a case for
>>>>> the USPS police ...
>>>>> It's not as if Saratoga is somewhere in the wild west ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> To my chagrin (right word?), my wife tipped our postal carrier $20 for
>>>> Christmas, :O ! I explained that I thought $10 would have been
>>>> "plenty" (yeah, I'm my dad's son...). It's hard, and surely not worth
>>>> it, to control all of the "leaks"--especially after just buying a few
>>>> new router bits. Our service is good and our mail arrives neatly
>>>> wrapped up in our junk circulars, rather than just stuffed in the box.
>>>> You might try that to see if it changes anything--besides the obvious of
>>>> course.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Personally I would prefer that the mail not be wrapped in the junk
>>> circulars. I have to go through all that crap to make sure that nothing
>>> important has been missed.
>>>
>>> Hell, I'd prefer that the junk circulars go in a separate mailbox with
>>> no bottom and a trashcan under.
>>>
>>>
>> I need junkmail. I burn branches and twigs in my yard and need the kindling.
>>
>
> One can always pull it out of the trashcan under the mailbox :)
I don't want to have my mailman make the decision of what is junk and
what is not..
Right now I have 3 bags of shredded mail that I will use to start a fire
in my burn pit.
I'm just waiting for a good day to do it.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>>
>> "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> > message
>> > news:[email protected]...
>> >>
>> >> "Han" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email protected]...
>> >>> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> >>> news:[email protected]:
>> >>>
>> >>>> The PO says that the National 911 data base is the reference for
>> >>>> "real" addresses.... if it's not there it doesn't exist. Guess I
>> >>>> should be lucky they don't think I'm dead!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> There are photos of my house in a book by the city historian with a
>> >>>> caption citing it's location at exactly the same address that the PO
>> >>>> says doesn't exist though the PO has been delivering mail here for
>> >>>> many decades. Endless BS with no resolution....
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Time to contact your Comgressperson ...
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Yup... already did that.... that's been going on for over a year
>> >> now...
>> >> We need to let the local PO folks fail before going higher. There time
>> >> is
>> >> up and it will be escalated soon.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Doesn't sound right. When the VA was messing with me, one of our
>> > Senators
>> > got it fixed in three days.
>>
>> You are right, it isn't right. No accountability in the postal system.
>>
>> I'm dealing with a Congressman.... PO gives them a song and dance and
>> assure
>> them it's all OK and when it fails again I go through the hoops again.
>> This
>> time should be the last hoop with the locals as it's supposed to be
>> escalated this time.
>
> You are insufficiently creative. "Dear Congressman Sludgepump, have you
> recieved the check I wrote you three months ago? It has not cleared and
> I am concerned that the post office might have lost it."
Interesting approach... but I'd have to phrase it such that it was in regard
to a check he sent me.... ;~)
"Han" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:34:55 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>>>>says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:32:19 -0400, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > I wish they'd fold the
>>>>> > orgzanization up and let private industry take over. Private
>>>>> > industry would be held accoutable... the USPS isn't held
>>>>> > accountable for the crappy service.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some have crappy service others have great service. I'm in the
>>>>> latter group. Our carrier has been the same for over 20 years and
>>>>> she does a great job. You might be surprised at the results you
>>>>> get if you complain
>>>>> - unless you're the only person complaining.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some things are better done by private industry, some by
>>>>> government. Way
>>>>> back before the tea party, a conservative politician in northern
>>>>> Illinois
>>>>> campaigned on the premise that the only things the feds should do
>>>>> was raise an army and deliver the mail :-).
>>>>
>>>>Bear in mind that there is no private company that can deliver a
>>>>package the size of a first class letter for the price the postal
>>>>service charges.
>>>
>>> Likely because they're barred from delivering mail. Also note that
>>> the USPS
>>> can't deliver mail for the cost of a first class letter, either.
>>
>> In my case they don't deliver the mail period... they just "take" the
>> postage and don't supply any service.... Thus, my mail delivery
>> experience is like stamp collecting for them... collect money for
>> nothing but a pretty picture.
>
> No problems here in North Jersey (07410). If indeed mail does not get
> delivered although it is properly sent, it should (I think) be a case for
> the USPS police ...
> It's not as if Saratoga is somewhere in the wild west ...
>
I couldn't get the Postal Inspectors to investigate... they didn't even
respond.
Considering that the mail all has the same exact addressing and comes from
myriad sources (banks, financial, insurance, periodicals, fraternal
organizations, schools, local govt and the usual junk) it's a mystery why I
get mail every day but huge volumes of it never make it or come weeks or
months late. The problem is upstream of the carrier and the local PO...
it's at the sorting center(s). The latest "excuse" was the address isn't in
the national 911 database. Funny... the 911 emergency services found it
immediately and described the location exactly. To paraphrase somebody,
"It's the PO stupid!" ...not directed at anyone but the system!
John
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:34:55 -0400, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:32:19 -0400, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>> > I wish they'd fold the
>> > orgzanization up and let private industry take over. Private industry
>> > would be held accoutable... the USPS isn't held accountable for the
>> > crappy service.
>>
>> Some have crappy service others have great service. I'm in the latter
>> group. Our carrier has been the same for over 20 years and she does a
>> great job. You might be surprised at the results you get if you complain
>> - unless you're the only person complaining.
>>
>> Some things are better done by private industry, some by government. Way
>> back before the tea party, a conservative politician in northern Illinois
>> campaigned on the premise that the only things the feds should do was
>> raise an army and deliver the mail :-).
>
>Bear in mind that there is no private company that can deliver a package
>the size of a first class letter for the price the postal service
>charges.
Likely because they're barred from delivering mail. Also note that the USPS
can't deliver mail for the cost of a first class letter, either.
"Han" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> The PO says that the National 911 data base is the reference for
>> "real" addresses.... if it's not there it doesn't exist. Guess I
>> should be lucky they don't think I'm dead!
>>
>> There are photos of my house in a book by the city historian with a
>> caption citing it's location at exactly the same address that the PO
>> says doesn't exist though the PO has been delivering mail here for
>> many decades. Endless BS with no resolution....
>>
>
> Time to contact your Comgressperson ...
>
Yup... already did that.... that's been going on for over a year now... We
need to let the local PO folks fail before going higher. There time is up
and it will be escalated soon.
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
>>
>> Considering that the mail all has the same exact addressing and comes
>> from myriad sources (banks, financial, insurance, periodicals,
>> fraternal organizations, schools, local govt and the usual junk) it's
>> a mystery why I get mail every day but huge volumes of it never make
>> it or come weeks or months late. The problem is upstream of the
>> carrier and the local PO... it's at the sorting center(s). The
>> latest "excuse" was the address isn't in the national 911 database.
>> Funny... the 911 emergency services found it immediately and
>> described the location exactly. To paraphrase somebody, "It's the PO
>> stupid!" ...not directed at anyone but the system!
>
> Mail delivery dependent on 911?
>
> So when you call the cops to report a drunken Freddy Kruger with a
> chain-saw, they'll send you a postcard with instructions?
Apparently.... that's one reason to dial 1911, as in 1911A1. There are 7
responders at that number. ;~)
The PO says that the National 911 data base is the reference for "real"
addresses.... if it's not there it doesn't exist. Guess I should be lucky
they don't think I'm dead!
There are photos of my house in a book by the city historian with a caption
citing it's location at exactly the same address that the PO says doesn't
exist though the PO has been delivering mail here for many decades. Endless
BS with no resolution....
John
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> On 4/18/2011 8:00 AM, Han wrote:
> > "John Grossbohlin"<[email protected]> wrote in
> > news:[email protected]:
> >
> >>
> >> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:34:55 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected]
> >>>> says...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:32:19 -0400, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I wish they'd fold the
> >>>>>> orgzanization up and let private industry take over. Private
> >>>>>> industry would be held accoutable... the USPS isn't held
> >>>>>> accountable for the crappy service.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Some have crappy service others have great service. I'm in the
> >>>>> latter group. Our carrier has been the same for over 20 years and
> >>>>> she does a great job. You might be surprised at the results you
> >>>>> get if you complain
> >>>>> - unless you're the only person complaining.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Some things are better done by private industry, some by
> >>>>> government. Way
> >>>>> back before the tea party, a conservative politician in northern
> >>>>> Illinois
> >>>>> campaigned on the premise that the only things the feds should do
> >>>>> was raise an army and deliver the mail :-).
> >>>>
> >>>> Bear in mind that there is no private company that can deliver a
> >>>> package the size of a first class letter for the price the postal
> >>>> service charges.
> >>>
> >>> Likely because they're barred from delivering mail. Also note that
> >>> the USPS
> >>> can't deliver mail for the cost of a first class letter, either.
> >>
> >> In my case they don't deliver the mail period... they just "take" the
> >> postage and don't supply any service.... Thus, my mail delivery
> >> experience is like stamp collecting for them... collect money for
> >> nothing but a pretty picture.
> >
> > No problems here in North Jersey (07410). If indeed mail does not get
> > delivered although it is properly sent, it should (I think) be a case for
> > the USPS police ...
> > It's not as if Saratoga is somewhere in the wild west ...
> >
>
> To my chagrin (right word?), my wife tipped our postal carrier $20 for
> Christmas, :O ! I explained that I thought $10 would have been
> "plenty" (yeah, I'm my dad's son...). It's hard, and surely not worth
> it, to control all of the "leaks"--especially after just buying a few
> new router bits. Our service is good and our mail arrives neatly
> wrapped up in our junk circulars, rather than just stuffed in the box.
> You might try that to see if it changes anything--besides the obvious of
> course.
Personally I would prefer that the mail not be wrapped in the junk
circulars. I have to go through all that crap to make sure that nothing
important has been missed.
Hell, I'd prefer that the junk circulars go in a separate mailbox with
no bottom and a trashcan under.
In article <[email protected]>, willshak@
00hvc.rr.com says...
>
> J. Clarke wrote the following:
> > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> > says...
> >
> >> On 4/18/2011 8:00 AM, Han wrote:
> >>
> >>> "John Grossbohlin"<[email protected]> wrote in
> >>> news:[email protected]:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>> news:[email protected]...
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:34:55 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected]
> >>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:32:19 -0400, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I wish they'd fold the
> >>>>>>>> orgzanization up and let private industry take over. Private
> >>>>>>>> industry would be held accoutable... the USPS isn't held
> >>>>>>>> accountable for the crappy service.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Some have crappy service others have great service. I'm in the
> >>>>>>> latter group. Our carrier has been the same for over 20 years and
> >>>>>>> she does a great job. You might be surprised at the results you
> >>>>>>> get if you complain
> >>>>>>> - unless you're the only person complaining.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Some things are better done by private industry, some by
> >>>>>>> government. Way
> >>>>>>> back before the tea party, a conservative politician in northern
> >>>>>>> Illinois
> >>>>>>> campaigned on the premise that the only things the feds should do
> >>>>>>> was raise an army and deliver the mail :-).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bear in mind that there is no private company that can deliver a
> >>>>>> package the size of a first class letter for the price the postal
> >>>>>> service charges.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Likely because they're barred from delivering mail. Also note that
> >>>>> the USPS
> >>>>> can't deliver mail for the cost of a first class letter, either.
> >>>>>
> >>>> In my case they don't deliver the mail period... they just "take" the
> >>>> postage and don't supply any service.... Thus, my mail delivery
> >>>> experience is like stamp collecting for them... collect money for
> >>>> nothing but a pretty picture.
> >>>>
> >>> No problems here in North Jersey (07410). If indeed mail does not get
> >>> delivered although it is properly sent, it should (I think) be a case for
> >>> the USPS police ...
> >>> It's not as if Saratoga is somewhere in the wild west ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >> To my chagrin (right word?), my wife tipped our postal carrier $20 for
> >> Christmas, :O ! I explained that I thought $10 would have been
> >> "plenty" (yeah, I'm my dad's son...). It's hard, and surely not worth
> >> it, to control all of the "leaks"--especially after just buying a few
> >> new router bits. Our service is good and our mail arrives neatly
> >> wrapped up in our junk circulars, rather than just stuffed in the box.
> >> You might try that to see if it changes anything--besides the obvious of
> >> course.
> >>
> >
> > Personally I would prefer that the mail not be wrapped in the junk
> > circulars. I have to go through all that crap to make sure that nothing
> > important has been missed.
> >
> > Hell, I'd prefer that the junk circulars go in a separate mailbox with
> > no bottom and a trashcan under.
> >
>
> I need junkmail. I burn branches and twigs in my yard and need the kindling.
One can always pull it out of the trashcan under the mailbox :)
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >> "Han" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >>> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in
> >>> news:[email protected]:
> >>>
> >>>> The PO says that the National 911 data base is the reference for
> >>>> "real" addresses.... if it's not there it doesn't exist. Guess I
> >>>> should be lucky they don't think I'm dead!
> >>>>
> >>>> There are photos of my house in a book by the city historian with a
> >>>> caption citing it's location at exactly the same address that the PO
> >>>> says doesn't exist though the PO has been delivering mail here for
> >>>> many decades. Endless BS with no resolution....
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Time to contact your Comgressperson ...
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yup... already did that.... that's been going on for over a year now...
> >> We need to let the local PO folks fail before going higher. There time is
> >> up and it will be escalated soon.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Doesn't sound right. When the VA was messing with me, one of our Senators
> > got it fixed in three days.
>
> You are right, it isn't right. No accountability in the postal system.
>
> I'm dealing with a Congressman.... PO gives them a song and dance and assure
> them it's all OK and when it fails again I go through the hoops again. This
> time should be the last hoop with the locals as it's supposed to be
> escalated this time.
You are insufficiently creative. "Dear Congressman Sludgepump, have you
recieved the check I wrote you three months ago? It has not cleared and
I am concerned that the post office might have lost it."
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:34:55 -0400, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>>
>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:32:19 -0400, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>>
>>> > I wish they'd fold the
>>> > orgzanization up and let private industry take over. Private industry
>>> > would be held accoutable... the USPS isn't held accountable for the
>>> > crappy service.
>>>
>>> Some have crappy service others have great service. I'm in the latter
>>> group. Our carrier has been the same for over 20 years and she does a
>>> great job. You might be surprised at the results you get if you
>>> complain
>>> - unless you're the only person complaining.
>>>
>>> Some things are better done by private industry, some by government.
>>> Way
>>> back before the tea party, a conservative politician in northern
>>> Illinois
>>> campaigned on the premise that the only things the feds should do was
>>> raise an army and deliver the mail :-).
>>
>>Bear in mind that there is no private company that can deliver a package
>>the size of a first class letter for the price the postal service
>>charges.
>
> Likely because they're barred from delivering mail. Also note that the
> USPS
> can't deliver mail for the cost of a first class letter, either.
In my case they don't deliver the mail period... they just "take" the
postage and don't supply any service.... Thus, my mail delivery experience
is like stamp collecting for them... collect money for nothing but a pretty
picture.
"Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Han" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> The PO says that the National 911 data base is the reference for
>>>> "real" addresses.... if it's not there it doesn't exist. Guess I
>>>> should be lucky they don't think I'm dead!
>>>>
>>>> There are photos of my house in a book by the city historian with a
>>>> caption citing it's location at exactly the same address that the PO
>>>> says doesn't exist though the PO has been delivering mail here for
>>>> many decades. Endless BS with no resolution....
>>>>
>>>
>>> Time to contact your Comgressperson ...
>>>
>>
>> Yup... already did that.... that's been going on for over a year now...
>> We need to let the local PO folks fail before going higher. There time is
>> up and it will be escalated soon.
>>
>>
>
> Doesn't sound right. When the VA was messing with me, one of our Senators
> got it fixed in three days.
You are right, it isn't right. No accountability in the postal system.
I'm dealing with a Congressman.... PO gives them a song and dance and assure
them it's all OK and when it fails again I go through the hoops again. This
time should be the last hoop with the locals as it's supposed to be
escalated this time.
"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:34:55 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>>>says...
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:32:19 -0400, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I wish they'd fold the
>>>> > orgzanization up and let private industry take over. Private
>>>> > industry would be held accoutable... the USPS isn't held
>>>> > accountable for the crappy service.
>>>>
>>>> Some have crappy service others have great service. I'm in the
>>>> latter group. Our carrier has been the same for over 20 years and
>>>> she does a great job. You might be surprised at the results you
>>>> get if you complain
>>>> - unless you're the only person complaining.
>>>>
>>>> Some things are better done by private industry, some by
>>>> government. Way
>>>> back before the tea party, a conservative politician in northern
>>>> Illinois
>>>> campaigned on the premise that the only things the feds should do
>>>> was raise an army and deliver the mail :-).
>>>
>>>Bear in mind that there is no private company that can deliver a
>>>package the size of a first class letter for the price the postal
>>>service charges.
>>
>> Likely because they're barred from delivering mail. Also note that
>> the USPS
>> can't deliver mail for the cost of a first class letter, either.
>
> In my case they don't deliver the mail period... they just "take" the
> postage and don't supply any service.... Thus, my mail delivery
> experience is like stamp collecting for them... collect money for
> nothing but a pretty picture.
No problems here in North Jersey (07410). If indeed mail does not get
delivered although it is properly sent, it should (I think) be a case for
the USPS police ...
It's not as if Saratoga is somewhere in the wild west ...
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> The PO says that the National 911 data base is the reference for
> "real" addresses.... if it's not there it doesn't exist. Guess I
> should be lucky they don't think I'm dead!
>
> There are photos of my house in a book by the city historian with a
> caption citing it's location at exactly the same address that the PO
> says doesn't exist though the PO has been delivering mail here for
> many decades. Endless BS with no resolution....
>
Time to contact your Comgressperson ...
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
On 4/18/2011 8:00 AM, Han wrote:
> "John Grossbohlin"<[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:34:55 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected]
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:32:19 -0400, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish they'd fold the
>>>>>> orgzanization up and let private industry take over. Private
>>>>>> industry would be held accoutable... the USPS isn't held
>>>>>> accountable for the crappy service.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some have crappy service others have great service. I'm in the
>>>>> latter group. Our carrier has been the same for over 20 years and
>>>>> she does a great job. You might be surprised at the results you
>>>>> get if you complain
>>>>> - unless you're the only person complaining.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some things are better done by private industry, some by
>>>>> government. Way
>>>>> back before the tea party, a conservative politician in northern
>>>>> Illinois
>>>>> campaigned on the premise that the only things the feds should do
>>>>> was raise an army and deliver the mail :-).
>>>>
>>>> Bear in mind that there is no private company that can deliver a
>>>> package the size of a first class letter for the price the postal
>>>> service charges.
>>>
>>> Likely because they're barred from delivering mail. Also note that
>>> the USPS
>>> can't deliver mail for the cost of a first class letter, either.
>>
>> In my case they don't deliver the mail period... they just "take" the
>> postage and don't supply any service.... Thus, my mail delivery
>> experience is like stamp collecting for them... collect money for
>> nothing but a pretty picture.
>
> No problems here in North Jersey (07410). If indeed mail does not get
> delivered although it is properly sent, it should (I think) be a case for
> the USPS police ...
> It's not as if Saratoga is somewhere in the wild west ...
>
To my chagrin (right word?), my wife tipped our postal carrier $20 for
Christmas, :O ! I explained that I thought $10 would have been
"plenty" (yeah, I'm my dad's son...). It's hard, and surely not worth
it, to control all of the "leaks"--especially after just buying a few
new router bits. Our service is good and our mail arrives neatly
wrapped up in our junk circulars, rather than just stuffed in the box.
You might try that to see if it changes anything--besides the obvious of
course.
Bill
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 10:52:56 -0400, Bill wrote:
> To my chagrin (right word?), my wife tipped our postal carrier $20 for
> Christmas, :O !
I have trouble tipping someone who's already well paid for the job they
do. I've never tipped our carrier but still get great service and she's
always friendly.
I used to tip paperboys when they were still boys but I haven;t seen one
of those in years. Our paper currently gets delivered by car with the
radio going strong at 3AM :-).
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Considering that the mail all has the same exact addressing and comes
>>> from myriad sources (banks, financial, insurance, periodicals,
>>> fraternal organizations, schools, local govt and the usual junk) it's
>>> a mystery why I get mail every day but huge volumes of it never make
>>> it or come weeks or months late. The problem is upstream of the
>>> carrier and the local PO... it's at the sorting center(s). The
>>> latest "excuse" was the address isn't in the national 911 database.
>>> Funny... the 911 emergency services found it immediately and
>>> described the location exactly. To paraphrase somebody, "It's the PO
>>> stupid!" ...not directed at anyone but the system!
>>
>> Mail delivery dependent on 911?
>>
>> So when you call the cops to report a drunken Freddy Kruger with a
>> chain-saw, they'll send you a postcard with instructions?
>
> Apparently.... that's one reason to dial 1911, as in 1911A1. There are 7
> responders at that number. ;~)
>
> The PO says that the National 911 data base is the reference for "real"
> addresses.... if it's not there it doesn't exist. Guess I should be lucky
> they don't think I'm dead!
>
> There are photos of my house in a book by the city historian with a
> caption citing it's location at exactly the same address that the PO says
> doesn't exist though the PO has been delivering mail here for many
> decades. Endless BS with no resolution....
>
> John
Tried your Congress Critturs? I had very good luck with that when the VA was
giving me the old soft shoe.
--
"I'm the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo ..."
"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Han" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> The PO says that the National 911 data base is the reference for
>>> "real" addresses.... if it's not there it doesn't exist. Guess I
>>> should be lucky they don't think I'm dead!
>>>
>>> There are photos of my house in a book by the city historian with a
>>> caption citing it's location at exactly the same address that the PO
>>> says doesn't exist though the PO has been delivering mail here for
>>> many decades. Endless BS with no resolution....
>>>
>>
>> Time to contact your Comgressperson ...
>>
>
> Yup... already did that.... that's been going on for over a year now... We
> need to let the local PO folks fail before going higher. There time is up
> and it will be escalated soon.
>
>
Doesn't sound right. When the VA was messing with me, one of our Senators
got it fixed in three days.
--
"I'm the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo ..."
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 21:19:46 -0400, willshak <[email protected]> wrote:
>Bill wrote the following:
>> George W Frost wrote:
>>> Not about the Civil War stamps, but enough to create another Civil War
>>>
>>> I read where the almighty US of A, have issued a new stamp with the
>>> almighty
>>> Statue of Liberty on the face,
>>> However, they haven't used the original statue image, but a photo of the
>>> replica in Las Vegas.
>>> Couldn't they find the original statue, was it lost in a snow drift,
>>> or lost
>>> in the fog?
>>> Or, maybe, the photographer was too broke from gambling in Las Vegas, so
>>> decided to take a photo of the one there?
>>> Maybe even too drunk on Robatoy's wine , just saw a statue and
>>> thought that
>>> was it?
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, I think I heard they grabbed the image from "Google images" by
>> mistake. What sort of "professionals" are these stamp publishers?
>>
>>
>
>The Las Vegas statue looks better than the real statue.
>On a less controversial note, the USPS will honor Helen Hayes, "The
>First Lady of the American Theater", with a stamp on April 25th.
>This is especially notable for me since I was born and lived in the same
>town as Helen, and went to High School with her adopted son, James
>(Jamie) MacArthur (Detective Danial Williams 'Danno' on "Hawaii 5-0").
>He only spent the 9th grade with us.
Uh Oh. Don't tell Bill. He'll start ragging on Helen Hays.
J. Clarke wrote the following:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
>
>> On 4/18/2011 8:00 AM, Han wrote:
>>
>>> "John Grossbohlin"<[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:34:55 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected]
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:32:19 -0400, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wish they'd fold the
>>>>>>>> orgzanization up and let private industry take over. Private
>>>>>>>> industry would be held accoutable... the USPS isn't held
>>>>>>>> accountable for the crappy service.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some have crappy service others have great service. I'm in the
>>>>>>> latter group. Our carrier has been the same for over 20 years and
>>>>>>> she does a great job. You might be surprised at the results you
>>>>>>> get if you complain
>>>>>>> - unless you're the only person complaining.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some things are better done by private industry, some by
>>>>>>> government. Way
>>>>>>> back before the tea party, a conservative politician in northern
>>>>>>> Illinois
>>>>>>> campaigned on the premise that the only things the feds should do
>>>>>>> was raise an army and deliver the mail :-).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bear in mind that there is no private company that can deliver a
>>>>>> package the size of a first class letter for the price the postal
>>>>>> service charges.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Likely because they're barred from delivering mail. Also note that
>>>>> the USPS
>>>>> can't deliver mail for the cost of a first class letter, either.
>>>>>
>>>> In my case they don't deliver the mail period... they just "take" the
>>>> postage and don't supply any service.... Thus, my mail delivery
>>>> experience is like stamp collecting for them... collect money for
>>>> nothing but a pretty picture.
>>>>
>>> No problems here in North Jersey (07410). If indeed mail does not get
>>> delivered although it is properly sent, it should (I think) be a case for
>>> the USPS police ...
>>> It's not as if Saratoga is somewhere in the wild west ...
>>>
>>>
>> To my chagrin (right word?), my wife tipped our postal carrier $20 for
>> Christmas, :O ! I explained that I thought $10 would have been
>> "plenty" (yeah, I'm my dad's son...). It's hard, and surely not worth
>> it, to control all of the "leaks"--especially after just buying a few
>> new router bits. Our service is good and our mail arrives neatly
>> wrapped up in our junk circulars, rather than just stuffed in the box.
>> You might try that to see if it changes anything--besides the obvious of
>> course.
>>
>
> Personally I would prefer that the mail not be wrapped in the junk
> circulars. I have to go through all that crap to make sure that nothing
> important has been missed.
>
> Hell, I'd prefer that the junk circulars go in a separate mailbox with
> no bottom and a trashcan under.
>
I need junkmail. I burn branches and twigs in my yard and need the kindling.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
"Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> message news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>> It's too bad I'm not a mail carrier--I might mark some letters "Return
>>>>> To Sender", along with a diatribe about why I wouldn't deliver them.
>>>>> ; )
>>>>
>>>> Maybe that's why my mail service is TOTALLY BAD.... it's a conspiracy
>>>> at the sorting center best I can tell.
>>>>
>>> Trust me, you have not seen bad mail service! In Portland Oregon the
>>> other day a mail carrier took a dump in some guy's side yard. Yes,
>>> really!
>>>
>>> http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Mailman-Suspended-for--119879359.html
>>
>> At least they get their mail.... ;~) I've got my Congressman's office
>> involved as the PO was not doing anything to resolve the issue... 5 1/2
>> years now since the problems started.
>>
> Do you get junk mail?
Yup... I get mail every day... but a large percentage of "real" mail never
makes it at all or comes 1-13 months late... The USPS drove me to use the
internet for any and all personal business possible because they are so
unreliable... I didn't renew many of the 30+ subscriptions formerally coming
each month as the periodicals were not arriving reliably. Every time I hear
the USPS blame the internet for their financial woes I think they've got the
causal direction reversed. I wish they'd fold the orgzanization up and let
private industry take over. Private industry would be held accoutable... the
USPS isn't held accountable for the crappy service.
BTW, I could name you a bunch of other people with similar problems, it's
not just me. I'm not paranoid! LOL
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Larry Blanchard wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 01:15:06 -0400, Bill wrote:
>>
>>> The stamps *damn-near validate a crime against humanity (IMNSHO)*!!!
>>
>>
>> And they say that southerners are passionate about that war :-).
>>
>
> It's too bad I'm not a mail carrier--I might mark some letters "Return To
> Sender", along with a diatribe about why I wouldn't deliver them.
> ; )
Maybe that's why my mail service is TOTALLY BAD.... it's a conspiracy at the
sorting center best I can tell.
John
Lew Hodgett wrote the following:
> "willshak" wrote:
>
>> This is especially notable for me since I was born and lived in the
>> same town as Helen, and went to High School with her adopted son,
>> James (Jamie) MacArthur (Detective Danial Williams 'Danno' on
>> "Hawaii 5-0"). He only spent the 9th grade with us.
>>
> ------------------------------------
> And just recently cashed in his hand and left us.
>
> Lew
Yes, he did. He is buried, along with his mother, in the same town, and
in the same cemetery, as my mother and father.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:33:07 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:33:01 -0400, Bill wrote:
>
>> I have a hard time understanding people interest in "re-living"
>> greed/hate through reenactment....or even postage stamps.
>
>Just remember the hate was in the south, the greed was in the north.
>
>In case you don't understand that:
>
>1. The south was morally wrong to secede over slavery.
>
>2. The north was legally wrong in stopping them.
Except that slavery wasn't the reason, rather the excuse.
Bill wrote:
>
> Suppose I accept what you said. Then if you multiply my feelings by
> the number of our population, then you would conclude that what the
> populace thinks doesn't change things one bit again. But that, I
> think, is absurd.
> Just as we're producing a generation of non-craftsman now, and
> students who "don't like math", we will produce a generation ignorant
> of the atrocity of the civil war. One needs to familiarize
> themselves with the details to realize the atrocity. How many bother?
> The stamps "belittle" the issue, IMHO--and that is all that prompted
> my original post. Changing one word of Neil Young's verse: "I've seen the
> postage and
> the damage done, a little bit of it in everyone...".
>
Your argument misses by a mile Bill. If you had started this thread with
comments about how to avoid future activities such as the Civil War, by
disclosing facts about it that most people don't know, then your argument
above would be valid. That's not the case though - you simply launched a
crusade against the new stamp. If I caught it correctly (and you can
correct me if I did not...), you are not even that well versed on the Civil
War, having only read a small amount about it.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 4/21/2011 1:06 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:04:41 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>>> The point is that it wouldn't be a country you'd recognize except for
>>>>> the troika. They were the ones pushing for a democracy instead of an
>>>>> aristocracy.
>>>>
>>>> The Constitution was ratified before any of them took office, so their
>>>> views regarding "democracy" would have little bearing on the structure
>>>> of the government.
>>>
>>> I was considering the few decades before that, even.
>>
>> You mean when all three of them were active? Jefferson with the
>> Declaration of Independence and more, Franklin with his newspaper and his
>> involvement with the constitutional convention, and Paine with fomenting
>> the revolution?
>>
>> I don't know what else I can say on the matter. If you (plural) want to
>> continue to believe that the aristocratic Washington was the founding
>> father of a democracy go right ahead.
>
> He was the founding father of a republic that was carefully designed to
> avoid the problems that occur with a democracy.
>
> Of course it's politically correct now to claim that a republic is a
> special case of a democracy, because no right thinking person would ever
> criticize democracy.
>
>
I think a democracy would be an awful tyranny. In a pure democracy, any
majority could strip any right from any minority at any time. Does this
mean I'm not a right thinking person?
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:04:41 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >>> The point is that it wouldn't be a country you'd recognize except for
> >>> the troika. They were the ones pushing for a democracy instead of an
> >>> aristocracy.
> >>
> >>The Constitution was ratified before any of them took office, so their
> >>views regarding "democracy" would have little bearing on the structure
> >>of the government.
> >
> > I was considering the few decades before that, even.
>
> You mean when all three of them were active? Jefferson with the
> Declaration of Independence and more, Franklin with his newspaper and his
> involvement with the constitutional convention, and Paine with fomenting
> the revolution?
>
> I don't know what else I can say on the matter. If you (plural) want to
> continue to believe that the aristocratic Washington was the founding
> father of a democracy go right ahead.
He was the founding father of a republic that was carefully designed to
avoid the problems that occur with a democracy.
Of course it's politically correct now to claim that a republic is a
special case of a democracy, because no right thinking person would ever
criticize democracy.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> On 4/21/2011 1:06 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> > In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >>
> >> On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:04:41 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> The point is that it wouldn't be a country you'd recognize except for
> >>>>> the troika. They were the ones pushing for a democracy instead of an
> >>>>> aristocracy.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Constitution was ratified before any of them took office, so their
> >>>> views regarding "democracy" would have little bearing on the structure
> >>>> of the government.
> >>>
> >>> I was considering the few decades before that, even.
> >>
> >> You mean when all three of them were active? Jefferson with the
> >> Declaration of Independence and more, Franklin with his newspaper and his
> >> involvement with the constitutional convention, and Paine with fomenting
> >> the revolution?
> >>
> >> I don't know what else I can say on the matter. If you (plural) want to
> >> continue to believe that the aristocratic Washington was the founding
> >> father of a democracy go right ahead.
> >
> > He was the founding father of a republic that was carefully designed to
> > avoid the problems that occur with a democracy.
> >
> > Of course it's politically correct now to claim that a republic is a
> > special case of a democracy, because no right thinking person would ever
> > criticize democracy.
> >
> >
> I think a democracy would be an awful tyranny. In a pure democracy, any
> majority could strip any right from any minority at any time. Does this
> mean I'm not a right thinking person?
No, it means that you actually have a decent education. If it came from
the public schools maybe there is hope yet.
On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:04:41 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>>> The point is that it wouldn't be a country you'd recognize except for
>>> the troika. They were the ones pushing for a democracy instead of an
>>> aristocracy.
>>
>>The Constitution was ratified before any of them took office, so their
>>views regarding "democracy" would have little bearing on the structure
>>of the government.
>
> I was considering the few decades before that, even.
You mean when all three of them were active? Jefferson with the
Declaration of Independence and more, Franklin with his newspaper and his
involvement with the constitutional convention, and Paine with fomenting
the revolution?
I don't know what else I can say on the matter. If you (plural) want to
continue to believe that the aristocratic Washington was the founding
father of a democracy go right ahead.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 14:47:04 -0400, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:23:29 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> >>No. John Adams was another believer in aristocracy. And there's always
>> >>the Alien & Sedition act which made it illegal to criticize the
>> >>president but was written to automatically expire when he left office.
>> >
>> > You define "father of our country" a *lot* differently that I do.
>>
>> The point is that it wouldn't be a country you'd recognize except for the
>> troika. They were the ones pushing for a democracy instead of an
>> aristocracy.
>
>The Constitution was ratified before any of them took office, so their
>views regarding "democracy" would have little bearing on the structure
>of the government.
I was considering the few decades before that, even.
On 4/12/2011 2:00 PM, whit3rd wrote:
> Oh, just accept it; it's your history, and your civic duty to
> understand it if only to prevent recurrence.
>
> The first US commemorative stamps, I believe, were of
> Civil War generals...
Nope, I didn't buy any. I have a hard time understanding people
interest in "re-living" greed/hate through reenactment....or even
postage stamps.
Bill wrote:
>
> I'm sorry you didn't like my analogy. I've already made my points the
> best that I can. Verbal "bullying" is addressed here:
>
Oh Please... "bullying" is something that takes place out on the playground
in elementary school. You're an adult. There is no "bullying" in the adult
world. God... grow up.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Bill wrote:
>>
>
> According to the article: Bullying can occur in any context in which
> human beings interact with each other. This includes school, church,
> family, the workplace, home and neighborhoods.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying
>
> At least YOU know better!
>
Oh come on Bill - you're a big boy. So there's a social trend to feel sorry
for one's self and create a convenient victim status for one's self. But
good lord... bullying??? Doesn't that make you somewhat ashamed to even say
the word?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 18:24:39 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 15:14:06 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:26:17 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I feel that if you give a youngster some of these postage stamps than
>>>>>>> you will have given them the *wrong* message. A little like giving
>>>>>>> them fast food to eat (that is almost-always unhealthy). I'm not
>>>>>>> planning to purchase any commemorative civil war stamps for my own
>>>>>>> collection or usage. And as you can tell, I've run my own campaign
>>>>>>> against them right here and gained further insight in the process.
>>>>>>> Thank you for listening and writing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh good lord - now it's hit the point of "thinking of the children...". You
>>>>>> are stretching with this Bill. You can feel any way you wish about the
>>>>>> Civil War, The War Between The States, The War of Northern Aggression, etc.,
>>>>>> and it really does not matter - it happened and what you think about it
>>>>>> today does not change that one bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Suppose I accept what you said. Then if you multiply my feelings by the
>>>>> number of our population, then you would conclude that what the populace
>>>>> thinks doesn't change things one bit again. But that, I think, is absurd.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just as we're producing a generation of non-craftsman now, and students
>>>>> who "don't like math", we will produce a generation ignorant of the
>>>>> atrocity of the civil war. One needs to familiarize themselves with the
>>>>> details to realize the atrocity. How many bother? The stamps "belittle"
>>>>> the issue, IMHO--and that is all that prompted my original post.
>>>>> Changing one word of Neil Young's verse: "I've seen the postage and the
>>>>> damage done, a little bit of it in everyone...".
>>>>
>>>> How does a piece of paper with some stickum on the back "belittle" anything or
>>>> anyone?
>>>
>>> That's a little like saying how could a "word" hurt anybody....
>>
>> Oh, now that you've brought that one up, you can explain that, too. In
>> particular, I want to know how you resolve the issues of "words hurting" and
>> the First Amendment.
>
>I'll save that for the Supreme Court.
Cop out. *You* are the one calling for a limitation on speech.
>> Words are useful tools. Sometimes they do hurt. Oh well.
>
>Any useful tool can be misused too. If you want to hit your thumb with
>your hammer, that's your business. But if you miss, and hit me, than
>your hammer (words) becomes my business too (IME)!
Terrible analogy. You do have the right to not be offended. You do not have
the right to tell someone else what (not) to say.
[email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 18:24:39 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 15:14:06 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:26:17 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I feel that if you give a youngster some of these postage stamps than
>>>>>>>> you will have given them the *wrong* message. A little like giving
>>>>>>>> them fast food to eat (that is almost-always unhealthy). I'm not
>>>>>>>> planning to purchase any commemorative civil war stamps for my own
>>>>>>>> collection or usage. And as you can tell, I've run my own campaign
>>>>>>>> against them right here and gained further insight in the process.
>>>>>>>> Thank you for listening and writing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh good lord - now it's hit the point of "thinking of the children...". You
>>>>>>> are stretching with this Bill. You can feel any way you wish about the
>>>>>>> Civil War, The War Between The States, The War of Northern Aggression, etc.,
>>>>>>> and it really does not matter - it happened and what you think about it
>>>>>>> today does not change that one bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suppose I accept what you said. Then if you multiply my feelings by the
>>>>>> number of our population, then you would conclude that what the populace
>>>>>> thinks doesn't change things one bit again. But that, I think, is absurd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just as we're producing a generation of non-craftsman now, and students
>>>>>> who "don't like math", we will produce a generation ignorant of the
>>>>>> atrocity of the civil war. One needs to familiarize themselves with the
>>>>>> details to realize the atrocity. How many bother? The stamps "belittle"
>>>>>> the issue, IMHO--and that is all that prompted my original post.
>>>>>> Changing one word of Neil Young's verse: "I've seen the postage and the
>>>>>> damage done, a little bit of it in everyone...".
>>>>>
>>>>> How does a piece of paper with some stickum on the back "belittle" anything or
>>>>> anyone?
>>>>
>>>> That's a little like saying how could a "word" hurt anybody....
>>>
>>> Oh, now that you've brought that one up, you can explain that, too. In
>>> particular, I want to know how you resolve the issues of "words hurting" and
>>> the First Amendment.
>>
>> I'll save that for the Supreme Court.
>
> Cop out. *You* are the one calling for a limitation on speech.
Did I really do that (please remind me where)?
>
>>> Words are useful tools. Sometimes they do hurt. Oh well.
>>
>> Any useful tool can be misused too. If you want to hit your thumb with
>> your hammer, that's your business. But if you miss, and hit me, than
>> your hammer (words) becomes my business too (IME)!
>
> Terrible analogy. You do have the right to not be offended. You do not have
> the right to tell someone else what (not) to say.
I'm sorry you didn't like my analogy. I've already made my points the
best that I can. Verbal "bullying" is addressed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying
Mike Marlow wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm sorry you didn't like my analogy. I've already made my points the
>> best that I can. Verbal "bullying" is addressed here:
>>
>
> Oh Please... "bullying" is something that takes place out on the playground
> in elementary school. You're an adult. There is no "bullying" in the adult
> world. God... grow up.
>
According to the article: Bullying can occur in any context in which
human beings interact with each other. This includes school, church,
family, the workplace, home and neighborhoods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying
At least YOU know better!
Bill
Mike Marlow wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> According to the article: Bullying can occur in any context in which
>> human beings interact with each other. This includes school, church,
>> family, the workplace, home and neighborhoods.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying
>>
>> At least YOU know better!
>>
>
> Oh come on Bill - you're a big boy. So there's a social trend to feel sorry
> for one's self and create a convenient victim status for one's self. But
> good lord... bullying??? Doesn't that make you somewhat ashamed to even say
> the word?
>
It was a one word "answer" for the difference between "free speech" and
"abuse". I chose it for *convenience*. I'm sorry you failed to get the
point. Go bully someone else..lol
Bill
Bill wrote:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Bill wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> According to the article: Bullying can occur in any context in which
>>> human beings interact with each other. This includes school, church,
>>> family, the workplace, home and neighborhoods.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying
>>>
>>> At least YOU know better!
>>>
>>
>> Oh come on Bill - you're a big boy. So there's a social trend to feel
>> sorry
>> for one's self and create a convenient victim status for one's self. But
>> good lord... bullying??? Doesn't that make you somewhat ashamed to
>> even say
>> the word?
>>
Yes, it make me laugh. But we're not talking about Me! ;)
Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:42:46 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:41:03 +0000, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>> Bill
>
> Just how long all y'all goan beat that dayud horse, anyway?
Gosh, if you got a dayud horse that needs beatin', just bring 'em
along... Will try to oblige ya.. Even hang lights on 'em for ya so'es
yous can sees where yer not gonna be going at night.
Sam
>
> --
> If only he'd wash his neck, I'd wring it.
> -- John Sparrow
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:42:04 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
> Just how long all y'all goan beat that dayud horse, anyway?
Teaching history is never beating a dead horse. Every country has its
legends and the US, both north and south, has its share. I try to debunk
them.
If you don't like the civil war topic. how about a little further back?
How many people know that Washington, our great hero, actually fired the
first shots (for the British) in the French and Indian wars - after which
he surrendered. Or that after nobly refusing a salary from the
continental congress he turned in expense accounts far exceeding the
salary he was offered. And that while he supposedly didn't want to be
king, he definitely supported an aristocracy and was horrified at the
thought of democracy.
I could go on but I think you get the point.
BTW, it has been said, and I agree, that the *real* father of our country
was a troika - Paine, Franklin, and Jefferson.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:42:04 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> Just how long all y'all goan beat that dayud horse, anyway?
>
> Teaching history is never beating a dead horse. Every country has its
> legends and the US, both north and south, has its share. I try to debunk
> them.
>
> If you don't like the civil war topic. how about a little further back?
> How many people know that Washington, our great hero, actually fired the
> first shots (for the British) in the French and Indian wars - after which
> he surrendered. Or that after nobly refusing a salary from the
> continental congress he turned in expense accounts far exceeding the
> salary he was offered.
Were the expenses valid?
--
"I'm the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo ..."
On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 02:46:59 -0700, Lobby Dosser wrote:
> Or that after nobly refusing a salary from the
>> continental congress he turned in expense accounts far exceeding the
>> salary he was offered.
>
> Were the expenses valid?
Apparently not - see:
http://www.historyhouse.com/in_history/washington/
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 02:46:59 -0700, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
>> Or that after nobly refusing a salary from the
>>> continental congress he turned in expense accounts far exceeding the
>>> salary he was offered.
>>
>> Were the expenses valid?
>
> Apparently not - see:
>
> http://www.historyhouse.com/in_history/washington/
>
> --
> Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
And people complain about a few Congresscritters expensing lap dances!
--
"I'm the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo ..."
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:42:46 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>Larry Blanchard wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:41:03 +0000, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>Bill
Just how long all y'all goan beat that dayud horse, anyway?
--
If only he'd wash his neck, I'd wring it.
-- John Sparrow
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:33:01 -0400, Bill wrote:
> I have a hard time understanding people interest in "re-living"
> greed/hate through reenactment....or even postage stamps.
Just remember the hate was in the south, the greed was in the north.
In case you don't understand that:
1. The south was morally wrong to secede over slavery.
2. The north was legally wrong in stopping them.
Please note the "OT" added to the subject.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 15:14:06 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:26:17 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel that if you give a youngster some of these postage stamps than
>>>>> you will have given them the *wrong* message. A little like giving
>>>>> them fast food to eat (that is almost-always unhealthy). I'm not
>>>>> planning to purchase any commemorative civil war stamps for my own
>>>>> collection or usage. And as you can tell, I've run my own campaign
>>>>> against them right here and gained further insight in the process.
>>>>> Thank you for listening and writing.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh good lord - now it's hit the point of "thinking of the children...". You
>>>> are stretching with this Bill. You can feel any way you wish about the
>>>> Civil War, The War Between The States, The War of Northern Aggression, etc.,
>>>> and it really does not matter - it happened and what you think about it
>>>> today does not change that one bit.
>>>
>>> Suppose I accept what you said. Then if you multiply my feelings by the
>>> number of our population, then you would conclude that what the populace
>>> thinks doesn't change things one bit again. But that, I think, is absurd.
>>>
>>> Just as we're producing a generation of non-craftsman now, and students
>>> who "don't like math", we will produce a generation ignorant of the
>>> atrocity of the civil war. One needs to familiarize themselves with the
>>> details to realize the atrocity. How many bother? The stamps "belittle"
>>> the issue, IMHO--and that is all that prompted my original post.
>>> Changing one word of Neil Young's verse: "I've seen the postage and the
>>> damage done, a little bit of it in everyone...".
>>
>> How does a piece of paper with some stickum on the back "belittle" anything or
>> anyone?
>
>That's a little like saying how could a "word" hurt anybody....
Oh, now that you've brought that one up, you can explain that, too. In
particular, I want to know how you resolve the issues of "words hurting" and
the First Amendment.
Words are useful tools. Sometimes they do hurt. Oh well.
>I grew
>up in a place where hurtful words were part of some folks' everyday
>speech.
So? Words are hurtful if *you* let them be. Offence is taken, not given.
>Admittedly, these days I am shocked by the 4-letter words I
>overhear coming out of the mouths of college students in casual
>conversation. That's evolution for ya... lol.
"Shocked"? I'm not shocked at all. I do wonder what they say when they hit
their thumb with a hammer, though. ;-)
DGDevin wrote:
>
>
> "Bill" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>>> The first US commemorative stamps, I believe, were of
>>> Civil War generals...
>
>
>> Nope, I didn't buy any. I have a hard time understanding
>
> You got it right up to that point.
>
>> people interest in "re-living" greed/hate through reenactment....or
>> even postage stamps.
>
> There's a well-worn line about those who don't know their own history
> are doomed to repeat it. Studying the past is not reliving it or
> glorifying it or being amused by it. That you can't grasp that and
> instead insist that people are somehow expressing approval of war by
> buying historical commemorative postage stamps is quite odd.
I think you're "trying to put words in my mouth". However, I do find it
odd that anyone would want to collect a postage stamp that commemorates
the civil war--except in the case where he or she is in a position to
view the civil war as a source of his or her "freedom".
I don't think the state should "sell lottery tickets" either, while
forbidding businesses from doing so, but I don't "insist that the people
who buy them are somehow expressing their approval" of this policy--and
I don't view the people who buy stamps as expressing their approval of
war (as you have suggested I must). Not only that, I would distinguish
the American Civil War from others wars with other sovereign nations.
Maybe time will suggest I should not. I hope so.
Bill
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 16:19:43 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>BTW, it has been said, and I agree, that the *real* father of our country
>was a troika - Paine, Franklin, and Jefferson.
But how many bastards did the foursome beget, leaving out the
politicians?
Mark
In article <[email protected]>, markem618
@hotmail.com says...
>
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 16:19:43 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >BTW, it has been said, and I agree, that the *real* father of our country
> >was a troika - Paine, Franklin, and Jefferson.
>
> But how many bastards did the foursome beget, leaving out the
> politicians?
You mean besides half the population of France? :)
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:39:24 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>>BTW, it has been said, and I agree, that the *real* father of our
>>country was a troika - Paine, Franklin, and Jefferson.
>
> No Adams?
No. John Adams was another believer in aristocracy. And there's always
the Alien & Sedition act which made it illegal to criticize the president
but was written to automatically expire when he left office.
" Sec. 2. And be it further enacted, That if any person shall write,
print, utter, or publish, or shall cause or procure to be written,
printed, uttered or published, or shall knowingly and willingly assist or
aid in writing, printing, uttering or publishing any false, scandalous
and malicious writing or writings against the government of the United
States, or either house of the Congress of the United States, or the
President of the United States, with intent to defame the said
government, or either house of the said Congress, or the said President,
or to bring them, or either of them, into contempt or disrepute; or to
excite against them, or either or any of them, the hatred of the good
people of the United States, or to excite any unlawful combinations
therein, for opposing or resisting any law of the United States, or any
act of the President of the United States, done in pursuance of any such
law, or of the powers in him vested by the constitution of the United
States, or to resist, oppose, or defeat any such law or act, or to aid,
encourage or abet any hostile designs of any foreign nation against the
United States, their people or government, then such person, being
thereof convicted before any court of the United States having
jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding two
thousand dollars, and by imprisonment not exceeding two years.
Sec. 3. And be it further enacted, That if any person shall be
prosecuted under this act, for the writing or publishing any libel
aforesaid, it shall be lawful for the defendant, upon the trial of the
cause, to give in evidence in his defence, the truth of the matter
contained in the publication charged as a libel. And the jury who shall
try the cause, shall have a right to determine the law and the fact,
under the direction of the court, as in other cases.
Sec. 4. And be it further enacted, That this act shall continue
to be in force until March 3, 1801, and no longer..."
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 16:19:43 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:42:04 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> Just how long all y'all goan beat that dayud horse, anyway?
>
>Teaching history is never beating a dead horse. Every country has its
>legends and the US, both north and south, has its share. I try to debunk
>them.
>
>If you don't like the civil war topic. how about a little further back?
>How many people know that Washington, our great hero, actually fired the
>first shots (for the British) in the French and Indian wars - after which
>he surrendered. Or that after nobly refusing a salary from the
>continental congress he turned in expense accounts far exceeding the
>salary he was offered. And that while he supposedly didn't want to be
>king, he definitely supported an aristocracy and was horrified at the
>thought of democracy.
>
>I could go on but I think you get the point.
>
>BTW, it has been said, and I agree, that the *real* father of our country
>was a troika - Paine, Franklin, and Jefferson.
No Adams?
DGDevin wrote:
>
>
> "Bill" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>> I think you're "trying to put words in my mouth".
>
> Do you know what quotation marks are supposed to be used for? You seem
> to employ them almost at random.
I'm not a grammarian. I used them above because I was calling attentions
to the fact that it was a "figure of speech"--not to be taken literally.
According to Wikipedia:
punctuation marks at the beginning and end of a quotation, direct
speech, literal title or name. Quotation marks can also be used to
indicate another sense or meaning of words, phrases or parts of text by
which one wants the reader to interpret the statement or text than the
one initially suggested, such as to convey irony.
In that generality, I don't find I'm "coloring outside the lines". I
used them to add my own emphasis sometimes. My usage may be more common
in the sciences where we "stretch definitions" at our leisure, and
emphasize when we are doing so. The thoughtful reader will figure out
why the quotation marks are present.
> You said you wouldn't be joining in the "celebrating" you apparently
> think others will be participating in by buying stamps, but if you now
> get the point that someone buying commemorative stamps isn't actually
> celebrating in the sense the word is generally used, well that's
> progress of a sort.
I feel that if you give a youngster some of these postage stamps than
you will have given them the *wrong* message. A little like giving them
fast food to eat (that is almost-always unhealthy). I'm not planning to
purchase any commemorative civil war stamps for my own collection or
usage. And as you can tell, I've run my own campaign against them right
here and gained further insight in the process. Thank you for listening
and writing.
Bill
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:57:17 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:39:24 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>BTW, it has been said, and I agree, that the *real* father of our
>>>country was a troika - Paine, Franklin, and Jefferson.
>>
>> No Adams?
>
>No. John Adams was another believer in aristocracy. And there's always
>the Alien & Sedition act which made it illegal to criticize the president
>but was written to automatically expire when he left office.
You define "father of our country" a *lot* differently that I do.
>" Sec. 2. And be it further enacted, That if any person shall write,
>print, utter, or publish, or shall cause or procure to be written,
>printed, uttered or published, or shall knowingly and willingly assist or
>aid in writing, printing, uttering or publishing any false, scandalous
>and malicious writing or writings against the government of the United
>States, or either house of the Congress of the United States, or the
>President of the United States, with intent to defame the said
>government, or either house of the said Congress, or the said President,
>or to bring them, or either of them, into contempt or disrepute; or to
>excite against them, or either or any of them, the hatred of the good
>people of the United States, or to excite any unlawful combinations
>therein, for opposing or resisting any law of the United States, or any
>act of the President of the United States, done in pursuance of any such
>law, or of the powers in him vested by the constitution of the United
>States, or to resist, oppose, or defeat any such law or act, or to aid,
>encourage or abet any hostile designs of any foreign nation against the
>United States, their people or government, then such person, being
>thereof convicted before any court of the United States having
>jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding two
>thousand dollars, and by imprisonment not exceeding two years.
>
> Sec. 3. And be it further enacted, That if any person shall be
>prosecuted under this act, for the writing or publishing any libel
>aforesaid, it shall be lawful for the defendant, upon the trial of the
>cause, to give in evidence in his defence, the truth of the matter
>contained in the publication charged as a libel. And the jury who shall
>try the cause, shall have a right to determine the law and the fact,
>under the direction of the court, as in other cases.
>
> Sec. 4. And be it further enacted, That this act shall continue
>to be in force until March 3, 1801, and no longer..."
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:23:29 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >>No. John Adams was another believer in aristocracy. And there's always
> >>the Alien & Sedition act which made it illegal to criticize the
> >>president but was written to automatically expire when he left office.
> >
> > You define "father of our country" a *lot* differently that I do.
>
> The point is that it wouldn't be a country you'd recognize except for the
> troika. They were the ones pushing for a democracy instead of an
> aristocracy.
The Constitution was ratified before any of them took office, so their
views regarding "democracy" would have little bearing on the structure
of the government.
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:23:29 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>>No. John Adams was another believer in aristocracy. And there's always
>>the Alien & Sedition act which made it illegal to criticize the
>>president but was written to automatically expire when he left office.
>
> You define "father of our country" a *lot* differently that I do.
The point is that it wouldn't be a country you'd recognize except for the
troika. They were the ones pushing for a democracy instead of an
aristocracy.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
> DGDevin wrote:
>> You said you wouldn't be joining in the "celebrating" you apparently
>> think others will be participating in by buying stamps, but if you now
>> get the point that someone buying commemorative stamps isn't actually
>> celebrating in the sense the word is generally used, well that's
>> progress of a sort.
The stamps *damn-near validate a crime against humanity (IMNSHO)*!!!
Maybe they will come out with a Charles Manson commemorative package,
after he passes. Put some "fake LSD" on the back... ; )
Bill
Mike Marlow wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>
>>
>> I feel that if you give a youngster some of these postage stamps than
>> you will have given them the *wrong* message. A little like giving
>> them fast food to eat (that is almost-always unhealthy). I'm not
>> planning to purchase any commemorative civil war stamps for my own
>> collection or usage. And as you can tell, I've run my own campaign
>> against them right here and gained further insight in the process.
>> Thank you for listening and writing.
>>
>
> Oh good lord - now it's hit the point of "thinking of the children...". You
> are stretching with this Bill. You can feel any way you wish about the
> Civil War, The War Between The States, The War of Northern Aggression, etc.,
> and it really does not matter - it happened and what you think about it
> today does not change that one bit.
Suppose I accept what you said. Then if you multiply my feelings by the
number of our population, then you would conclude that what the populace
thinks doesn't change things one bit again. But that, I think, is absurd.
Just as we're producing a generation of non-craftsman now, and students
who "don't like math", we will produce a generation ignorant of the
atrocity of the civil war. One needs to familiarize themselves with the
details to realize the atrocity. How many bother? The stamps "belittle"
the issue, IMHO--and that is all that prompted my original post.
Changing one word of Neil Young's verse: "I've seen the postage and the
damage done, a little bit of it in everyone...".
Bill
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 22:29:45 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>Bill wrote:
>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> Bill wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> According to the article: Bullying can occur in any context in which
>>>> human beings interact with each other. This includes school, church,
>>>> family, the workplace, home and neighborhoods.
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying
>>>>
>>>> At least YOU know better!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh come on Bill - you're a big boy. So there's a social trend to feel
>>> sorry
>>> for one's self and create a convenient victim status for one's self. But
>>> good lord... bullying??? Doesn't that make you somewhat ashamed to
>>> even say
>>> the word?
>>>
>
>Yes, it make me laugh. But we're not talking about Me! ;)
I thought you were the one who thought a postage stamp was "belittling"?
[email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 22:29:45 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Bill wrote:
>>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> According to the article: Bullying can occur in any context in which
>>>>> human beings interact with each other. This includes school, church,
>>>>> family, the workplace, home and neighborhoods.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying
>>>>>
>>>>> At least YOU know better!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh come on Bill - you're a big boy. So there's a social trend to feel
>>>> sorry
>>>> for one's self and create a convenient victim status for one's self. But
>>>> good lord... bullying??? Doesn't that make you somewhat ashamed to
>>>> even say
>>>> the word?
>>>>
>>
>> Yes, it make me laugh. But we're not talking about Me! ;)
>
> I thought you were the one who thought a postage stamp was "belittling"?
If I had died last year, I would still feel the same way! : ) It's not
about me. There--I won't even put my name down this time.
Sam
Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 01:15:06 -0400, Bill wrote:
>
>> The stamps *damn-near validate a crime against humanity (IMNSHO)*!!!
>
>
> And they say that southerners are passionate about that war :-).
>
It's too bad I'm not a mail carrier--I might mark some letters "Return
To Sender", along with a diatribe about why I wouldn't deliver them.
; )
Bill
John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 01:15:06 -0400, Bill wrote:
>>>
>>>> The stamps *damn-near validate a crime against humanity (IMNSHO)*!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> And they say that southerners are passionate about that war :-).
>>>
>>
>> It's too bad I'm not a mail carrier--I might mark some letters "Return
>> To Sender", along with a diatribe about why I wouldn't deliver them.
>> ; )
>
> Maybe that's why my mail service is TOTALLY BAD.... it's a conspiracy at
> the sorting center best I can tell.
>
> John
You're not using those "LOVE" stamps, are you? ; )
Bill
[email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:26:17 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> Bill wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I feel that if you give a youngster some of these postage stamps than
>>>> you will have given them the *wrong* message. A little like giving
>>>> them fast food to eat (that is almost-always unhealthy). I'm not
>>>> planning to purchase any commemorative civil war stamps for my own
>>>> collection or usage. And as you can tell, I've run my own campaign
>>>> against them right here and gained further insight in the process.
>>>> Thank you for listening and writing.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh good lord - now it's hit the point of "thinking of the children...". You
>>> are stretching with this Bill. You can feel any way you wish about the
>>> Civil War, The War Between The States, The War of Northern Aggression, etc.,
>>> and it really does not matter - it happened and what you think about it
>>> today does not change that one bit.
>>
>> Suppose I accept what you said. Then if you multiply my feelings by the
>> number of our population, then you would conclude that what the populace
>> thinks doesn't change things one bit again. But that, I think, is absurd.
>>
>> Just as we're producing a generation of non-craftsman now, and students
>> who "don't like math", we will produce a generation ignorant of the
>> atrocity of the civil war. One needs to familiarize themselves with the
>> details to realize the atrocity. How many bother? The stamps "belittle"
>> the issue, IMHO--and that is all that prompted my original post.
>> Changing one word of Neil Young's verse: "I've seen the postage and the
>> damage done, a little bit of it in everyone...".
>
> How does a piece of paper with some stickum on the back "belittle" anything or
> anyone?
That's a little like saying how could a "word" hurt anybody.... I grew
up in a place where hurtful words were part of some folks' everyday
speech. Admittedly, these days I am shocked by the 4-letter words I
overhear coming out of the mouths of college students in casual
conversation. That's evolution for ya... lol.
J. Clarke wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:26:17 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I feel that if you give a youngster some of these postage stamps than
>>>>>> you will have given them the *wrong* message. A little like giving
>>>>>> them fast food to eat (that is almost-always unhealthy). I'm not
>>>>>> planning to purchase any commemorative civil war stamps for my own
>>>>>> collection or usage. And as you can tell, I've run my own campaign
>>>>>> against them right here and gained further insight in the process.
>>>>>> Thank you for listening and writing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh good lord - now it's hit the point of "thinking of the children...". You
>>>>> are stretching with this Bill. You can feel any way you wish about the
>>>>> Civil War, The War Between The States, The War of Northern Aggression, etc.,
>>>>> and it really does not matter - it happened and what you think about it
>>>>> today does not change that one bit.
>>>>
>>>> Suppose I accept what you said. Then if you multiply my feelings by the
>>>> number of our population, then you would conclude that what the populace
>>>> thinks doesn't change things one bit again. But that, I think, is absurd.
>>>>
>>>> Just as we're producing a generation of non-craftsman now, and students
>>>> who "don't like math", we will produce a generation ignorant of the
>>>> atrocity of the civil war. One needs to familiarize themselves with the
>>>> details to realize the atrocity. How many bother? The stamps "belittle"
>>>> the issue, IMHO--and that is all that prompted my original post.
>>>> Changing one word of Neil Young's verse: "I've seen the postage and the
>>>> damage done, a little bit of it in everyone...".
>>>
>>> How does a piece of paper with some stickum on the back "belittle" anything or
>>> anyone?
>>
>> That's a little like asking how could a "word" hurt anybody.... I grew
>> up in a place where hurtful words were part of some folks' everyday
>> speech. Admittedly, these days I am shocked by the 4-letter words I
>> overhear coming out of the mouths of college students in casual
>> conversation. That's evolution for ya... lol.
>
> You mean what Tom Wolfe described as the "f**k patois"?
I had never head of patois' until now (I guess I'm behind in my
knowledge of modern languages!) But yes, that describes it pretty well.
And the "young ladies" speaketh with no less shyness than the "young
gentlemen", and in open corridors! Shiver me timbers (that's a nautical
expression I'm using for Lew)!
Bill
[email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 15:14:06 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:26:17 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I feel that if you give a youngster some of these postage stamps than
>>>>>> you will have given them the *wrong* message. A little like giving
>>>>>> them fast food to eat (that is almost-always unhealthy). I'm not
>>>>>> planning to purchase any commemorative civil war stamps for my own
>>>>>> collection or usage. And as you can tell, I've run my own campaign
>>>>>> against them right here and gained further insight in the process.
>>>>>> Thank you for listening and writing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh good lord - now it's hit the point of "thinking of the children...". You
>>>>> are stretching with this Bill. You can feel any way you wish about the
>>>>> Civil War, The War Between The States, The War of Northern Aggression, etc.,
>>>>> and it really does not matter - it happened and what you think about it
>>>>> today does not change that one bit.
>>>>
>>>> Suppose I accept what you said. Then if you multiply my feelings by the
>>>> number of our population, then you would conclude that what the populace
>>>> thinks doesn't change things one bit again. But that, I think, is absurd.
>>>>
>>>> Just as we're producing a generation of non-craftsman now, and students
>>>> who "don't like math", we will produce a generation ignorant of the
>>>> atrocity of the civil war. One needs to familiarize themselves with the
>>>> details to realize the atrocity. How many bother? The stamps "belittle"
>>>> the issue, IMHO--and that is all that prompted my original post.
>>>> Changing one word of Neil Young's verse: "I've seen the postage and the
>>>> damage done, a little bit of it in everyone...".
>>>
>>> How does a piece of paper with some stickum on the back "belittle" anything or
>>> anyone?
>>
>> That's a little like saying how could a "word" hurt anybody....
>
> Oh, now that you've brought that one up, you can explain that, too. In
> particular, I want to know how you resolve the issues of "words hurting" and
> the First Amendment.
I'll save that for the Supreme Court.
> Words are useful tools. Sometimes they do hurt. Oh well.
Any useful tool can be misused too. If you want to hit your thumb with
your hammer, that's your business. But if you miss, and hit me, than
your hammer (words) becomes my business too (IME)!
Bill
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:26:17 -0400, Bill wrote:
> One needs to familiarize themselves with the details to realize the
> atrocity.
You mean like Sherman's march to the sea? Or the guy who ordered that
all women in New Orleans were to be treated as prostitutes? Or how about
the floating hulks used as prison camps by the north?
And yes, I know about the southern prison camps - they weren't any
better. The point is that there were lots of atrocities to go around.
Or were you referring solely to slavery? No doubt about the evil of that
institution, but the brutality was deliberately exaggerated by the
north. Try reading the results of the WPA project where ex-slaves or
their immediate descendants were interviewed.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 01:15:06 -0400, Bill wrote:
>>>
>>>> The stamps *damn-near validate a crime against humanity (IMNSHO)*!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> And they say that southerners are passionate about that war :-).
>>>
>>
>> It's too bad I'm not a mail carrier--I might mark some letters "Return To
>> Sender", along with a diatribe about why I wouldn't deliver them.
>> ; )
>
> Maybe that's why my mail service is TOTALLY BAD.... it's a conspiracy at
> the sorting center best I can tell.
>
> John
>
Trust me, you have not seen bad mail service! In Portland Oregon the other
day a mail carrier took a dump in some guy's side yard. Yes, really!
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Mailman-Suspended-for--119879359.html
--
"I'm the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo ..."
Mike Marlow wrote:
> If I caught it correctly (and you can
> correct me if I did not...), you are not even that well versed on the Civil
> War, having only read a small amount about it.
I read one 2-3 inch thick book about 5 years ago to learn more. If you
consider that a small amount, than yes I've read only a small amount
recently. I'm sorry to have to quality my credentials for offering an
opinion here (do you have yours posted somewhere?) We will probably have
a better discussion if we don't direct these sorts of questions directly
to each other, but instead offer them to the group for open discussion.
We don't want to put anyone on the defensive, do we (or should we build
a cross?) I will share with you that it is Much Easier to play the critic.
Bill
"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> It's too bad I'm not a mail carrier--I might mark some letters "Return
>>>> To Sender", along with a diatribe about why I wouldn't deliver them.
>>>> ; )
>>>
>>> Maybe that's why my mail service is TOTALLY BAD.... it's a conspiracy at
>>> the sorting center best I can tell.
>>>
>> Trust me, you have not seen bad mail service! In Portland Oregon the
>> other day a mail carrier took a dump in some guy's side yard. Yes,
>> really!
>>
>> http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Mailman-Suspended-for--119879359.html
>
> At least they get their mail.... ;~) I've got my Congressman's office
> involved as the PO was not doing anything to resolve the issue... 5 1/2
> years now since the problems started.
>
Do you get junk mail?
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"I'm the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo ..."
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>> If I caught it correctly (and you can
>> correct me if I did not...), you are not even that well versed on the
>> Civil
>> War, having only read a small amount about it.
>
> I read one 2-3 inch thick book about 5 years ago to learn more. If you
> consider that a small amount, than yes I've read only a small amount
> recently. I'm sorry to have to quality my credentials for offering an
> opinion here (do you have yours posted somewhere?) We will probably have a
> better discussion if we don't direct these sorts of questions directly to
> each other, but instead offer them to the group for open discussion. We
> don't want to put anyone on the defensive, do we (or should we build a
> cross?) I will share with you that it is Much Easier to play the critic.
>
> Bill
>
The stamps Remind people. The stamps may even encourage some to better
understand the war. Read Lincoln's Gettysburg Address. That is, if you are
not down on Lincoln for responding to the attack on Fort Sumter.
--
"I'm the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo ..."
J. Clarke wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> If I caught it correctly (and you can
>>> correct me if I did not...), you are not even that well versed on the Civil
>>> War, having only read a small amount about it.
>>
>> I read one 2-3 inch thick book about 5 years ago to learn more. If you
>> consider that a small amount, than yes I've read only a small amount
>> recently. I'm sorry to have to quality my credentials for offering an
>> opinion here (do you have yours posted somewhere?) We will probably have
>> a better discussion if we don't direct these sorts of questions directly
>> to each other, but instead offer them to the group for open discussion.
>> We don't want to put anyone on the defensive, do we (or should we build
>> a cross?) I will share with you that it is Much Easier to play the critic.
>
> Research 101--find an respected source. Then find another credible
> source that hates him. Read both. You'll be a long way from having the
> whole story, but you'll have much more of it than if you read just one.
I don't think more research would help me change my overall feelings
about the Civil War. I think it's evidence of the "worst that's in
man". To the best of my knowledge, I'm not quoting anything from a book
or anything I read anywhere else. An author with a lot to say probably
wouldn't be as succinct. I offer my opinion cheap (with hope that
others may form their own opinion instead of sweeping the topic under a
rug).
Bill
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:32:19 -0400, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> I wish they'd fold the
> orgzanization up and let private industry take over. Private industry
> would be held accoutable... the USPS isn't held accountable for the
> crappy service.
Some have crappy service others have great service. I'm in the latter
group. Our carrier has been the same for over 20 years and she does a
great job. You might be surprised at the results you get if you complain
- unless you're the only person complaining.
Some things are better done by private industry, some by government. Way
back before the tea party, a conservative politician in northern Illinois
campaigned on the premise that the only things the feds should do was
raise an army and deliver the mail :-).
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 22:08:59 -0400, Bill wrote:
> I read one 2-3 inch thick book about 5 years ago to learn more. If you
> consider that a small amount, than yes I've read only a small amount
> recently.
Just remember that the winners write the history books :-).
As an example, I consider Jefferson to be a greater president than
Lincoln based on reading something other than textbooks or
popularizations.
If you want to get a good perspective on American history, I suggest:
http://www.journalofamericanhistory.org/
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 17:17:38 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:04:41 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>> The point is that it wouldn't be a country you'd recognize except for
>>>> the troika. They were the ones pushing for a democracy instead of an
>>>> aristocracy.
>>>
>>>The Constitution was ratified before any of them took office, so their
>>>views regarding "democracy" would have little bearing on the structure
>>>of the government.
>>
>> I was considering the few decades before that, even.
>
>You mean when all three of them were active?
No, when they were inactive. ????? I was referring to Adams, earlier.
>Jefferson with the
>Declaration of Independence and more, Franklin with his newspaper and his
>involvement with the constitutional convention, and Paine with fomenting
>the revolution?
Which I suppose Adams had nothing to do with?
>I don't know what else I can say on the matter. If you (plural) want to
>continue to believe that the aristocratic Washington was the founding
>father of a democracy go right ahead.
WTF did I say about Washington??????
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:43:58 -0400, Bill wrote:
> I don't think more research would help me change my overall feelings
> about the Civil War. I think it's evidence of the "worst that's in
> man".
I think there are lots better examples. Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, et
al were a lot worse in my opinion.
And without facts to back it up, an opinion is worthless.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 22:08:59 -0400, Bill wrote:
>
>> I read one 2-3 inch thick book about 5 years ago to learn more. If you
>> consider that a small amount, than yes I've read only a small amount
>> recently.
>
> Just remember that the winners write the history books :-).
>
> As an example, I consider Jefferson to be a greater president than
> Lincoln based on reading something other than textbooks or
> popularizations.
>
> If you want to get a good perspective on American history, I suggest:
>
> http://www.journalofamericanhistory.org/
>
Thanks. I book-marked it to read at my leisure.
Bill
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:41:03 +0000, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> If you want to get a good perspective on American history, I suggest:
>
> http://www.journalofamericanhistory.org/
Of particular interest is an article on the legality of secession,at:
http://www.historyvortex.org/LegalitySecession.html
Here's a quote which sums up the article:
"If secession was illegal, then the actions of the those eleven Southern
states led to the destruction of the republic as created by our Founding
Fathers, and the South bears ultimate responsibility for the deaths of
the 620,000 Americans who died in the ensuing war. However, if secession
was a legal action, then blame for the aforementioned tragedies can be
placed squarely upon the shoulders of President Abraham Lincoln; the
deification of the putative âGreat Emancipatorâ can cease, and he can be
forever known as the President who plunged the nation into the bloodiest
conflict in its history. High stakes indeed! (It is interesting to note
that the eradication of slavery remains an unblemished virtuous outcome
of the War for Southern Independence, regardless of where fault may lie
for the warâs causation. "
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:41:03 +0000, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>
>> If you want to get a good perspective on American history, I suggest:
>>
>> http://www.journalofamericanhistory.org/
>
> Of particular interest is an article on the legality of secession,at:
>
> http://www.historyvortex.org/LegalitySecession.html
>
> Here's a quote which sums up the article:
>
> "If secession was illegal, then the actions of the those eleven Southern
> states led to the destruction of the republic as created by our Founding
> Fathers, and the South bears ultimate responsibility for the deaths of
> the 620,000 Americans who died in the ensuing war. However, if secession
> was a legal action, then blame for the aforementioned tragedies can be
> placed squarely upon the shoulders of President Abraham Lincoln; the
> deification of the putative âGreat Emancipatorâ can cease, and he can be
> forever known as the President who plunged the nation into the bloodiest
> conflict in its history. High stakes indeed! (It is interesting to note
> that the eradication of slavery remains an unblemished virtuous outcome
> of the War for Southern Independence, regardless of where fault may lie
> for the warâs causation. "
>
FWIW, Not a single word *I* have written depends on any particular
action being legal or illegal, save maybe "in God's eyes". I may have
used the phrase "crime against nature". YMMV.
Bill
On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:06:02 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>He was the founding father of a republic that was carefully designed to
>avoid the problems that occur with a democracy.
>
>Of course it's politically correct now to claim that a republic is a
>special case of a democracy, because no right thinking person would ever
>criticize democracy.
Hemlock?
Mark
George W Frost wrote:
> Not about the Civil War stamps, but enough to create another Civil War
>
> I read where the almighty US of A, have issued a new stamp with the almighty
> Statue of Liberty on the face,
> However, they haven't used the original statue image, but a photo of the
> replica in Las Vegas.
> Couldn't they find the original statue, was it lost in a snow drift, or lost
> in the fog?
> Or, maybe, the photographer was too broke from gambling in Las Vegas, so
> decided to take a photo of the one there?
> Maybe even too drunk on Robatoy's wine , just saw a statue and thought that
> was it?
>
Yeah, I think I heard they grabbed the image from "Google images" by
mistake. What sort of "professionals" are these stamp publishers?
Just Wondering wrote:
> On 4/17/2011 2:34 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>>
>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:32:19 -0400, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wish they'd fold the
>>>> orgzanization up and let private industry take over. Private industry
>>>> would be held accoutable... the USPS isn't held accountable for the
>>>> crappy service.
>>>
>>> Some have crappy service others have great service. I'm in the latter
>>> group. Our carrier has been the same for over 20 years and she does a
>>> great job. You might be surprised at the results you get if you complain
>>> - unless you're the only person complaining.
>>>
>>> Some things are better done by private industry, some by government. Way
>>> back before the tea party, a conservative politician in northern
>>> Illinois
>>> campaigned on the premise that the only things the feds should do was
>>> raise an army and deliver the mail :-).
>>
>> Bear in mind that there is no private company that can deliver a package
>> the size of a first class letter for the price the postal service
>> charges.
>>
> FWIW, neither can USPS. It loses money on every first class letter. It
> has to make that money up on other places, one being commemorative stamps.
>
LOL - I'm still not buying one. And, after all this, nobody better
mail one to me! : )
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> George W Frost wrote:
>> Not about the Civil War stamps, but enough to create another Civil War
>>
>> I read where the almighty US of A, have issued a new stamp with the
>> almighty
>> Statue of Liberty on the face,
>> However, they haven't used the original statue image, but a photo of the
>> replica in Las Vegas.
>> Couldn't they find the original statue, was it lost in a snow drift, or
>> lost
>> in the fog?
>> Or, maybe, the photographer was too broke from gambling in Las Vegas, so
>> decided to take a photo of the one there?
>> Maybe even too drunk on Robatoy's wine , just saw a statue and thought
>> that
>> was it?
>>
>
> Yeah, I think I heard they grabbed the image from "Google images" by
> mistake. What sort of "professionals" are these stamp publishers?
>
>
CHEAP!
--
"I'm the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo ..."
"willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Bill wrote the following:
>> George W Frost wrote:
>>> Not about the Civil War stamps, but enough to create another Civil War
>>>
>>> I read where the almighty US of A, have issued a new stamp with the
>>> almighty
>>> Statue of Liberty on the face,
>>> However, they haven't used the original statue image, but a photo of the
>>> replica in Las Vegas.
>>> Couldn't they find the original statue, was it lost in a snow drift, or
>>> lost
>>> in the fog?
>>> Or, maybe, the photographer was too broke from gambling in Las Vegas, so
>>> decided to take a photo of the one there?
>>> Maybe even too drunk on Robatoy's wine , just saw a statue and thought
>>> that
>>> was it?
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, I think I heard they grabbed the image from "Google images" by
>> mistake. What sort of "professionals" are these stamp publishers?
>>
>>
>
> The Las Vegas statue looks better than the real statue.
> On a less controversial note, the USPS will honor Helen Hayes, "The First
> Lady of the American Theater", with a stamp on April 25th.
> This is especially notable for me since I was born and lived in the same
> town as Helen, and went to High School with her adopted son, James (Jamie)
> MacArthur (Detective Danial Williams 'Danno' on "Hawaii 5-0"). He only
> spent the 9th grade with us.
>
Book Him, Danno!
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"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 01:15:06 -0400, Bill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The stamps *damn-near validate a crime against humanity (IMNSHO)*!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And they say that southerners are passionate about that war :-).
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's too bad I'm not a mail carrier--I might mark some letters "Return
>>> To Sender", along with a diatribe about why I wouldn't deliver them.
>>> ; )
>>
>> Maybe that's why my mail service is TOTALLY BAD.... it's a conspiracy at
>> the sorting center best I can tell.
>>
>> John
>
>
> You're not using those "LOVE" stamps, are you? ; )
I think it's all the magazines and catalogs with scary sharp stuff in
them.... could be used to take over planes, trains, and buses you know....
Had the same problem when I was swapping mail and packages with folks on 2nd
Amendment issues when I was in grad school... with the guys that built the
cases that made it to SCOTUS. Ever receive packages that had clearly been
submerged in water, or at a minimum been "damaged" in shipping? Mangled or
lost computer disks, books, academic journals, VHS tapes... it was crazy. We
laughed about it but it was annoying... Now it's a major pain as it involves
all types of mail, not just packages.
What's that old tag line about "just because you are paranoid doesn't mean
it isn't true." ;~)
It's happening at the sorting center!
John
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 00:37:48 -0400, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> DGDevin wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > "Bill" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> >>> The first US commemorative stamps, I believe, were of
>> >>> Civil War generals...
>> >
>> >
>> >> Nope, I didn't buy any. I have a hard time understanding
>> >
>> > You got it right up to that point.
>> >
>> >> people interest in "re-living" greed/hate through reenactment....or
>> >> even postage stamps.
>> >
>> > There's a well-worn line about those who don't know their own history
>> > are doomed to repeat it. Studying the past is not reliving it or
>> > glorifying it or being amused by it. That you can't grasp that and
>> > instead insist that people are somehow expressing approval of war by
>> > buying historical commemorative postage stamps is quite odd.
>>
>> I think you're "trying to put words in my mouth". However, I do find it
>> odd that anyone would want to collect a postage stamp that commemorates
>> the civil war--except in the case where he or she is in a position to
>> view the civil war as a source of his or her "freedom".
>
>Most collectors collect things because that's what they do. A stamp
>collector isn't going to collect stamps that commemorate the Civil War
>because they commmemorate the Civil War, any more than he would collect
>an upside down airplane because he has an interest in inverted flight
>(if you don't know "upside down airplane" google it with "stamp" on the
>end). He would collect them because they are stamps that he doesn't
>have in his collection.
Kinda like tools? ;-)
"Bill" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> The first US commemorative stamps, I believe, were of
>> Civil War generals...
> Nope, I didn't buy any. I have a hard time understanding
You got it right up to that point.
> people interest in "re-living" greed/hate through reenactment....or even
> postage stamps.
There's a well-worn line about those who don't know their own history are
doomed to repeat it. Studying the past is not reliving it or glorifying it
or being amused by it. That you can't grasp that and instead insist that
people are somehow expressing approval of war by buying historical
commemorative postage stamps is quite odd.
Somebody wrote:
>If you were the photog given the assignment to shoot the Statue of
>Liberty,
>>where would you rather spend a week, Hoboken or Vegas?
-----------------------------------------
The shot came from Getty, who supplies stock pics to all kinds of
customers, especially news organizations.
No photo shoot involved.
Lew
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 10:14:28 +1000, "George W Frost" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Not about the Civil War stamps, but enough to create another Civil War
>
>I read where the almighty US of A, have issued a new stamp with the almighty
>Statue of Liberty on the face,
>However, they haven't used the original statue image, but a photo of the
>replica in Las Vegas.
>Couldn't they find the original statue, was it lost in a snow drift, or lost
>in the fog?
>Or, maybe, the photographer was too broke from gambling in Las Vegas, so
>decided to take a photo of the one there?
If you were the photog given the assignment to shoot the Statue of Liberty,
where would you rather spend a week, Hoboken or Vegas?
>Maybe even too drunk on Robatoy's wine , just saw a statue and thought that
>was it?
>
In article <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>If you were the photog given the assignment to shoot the Statue of Liberty,
>where would you rather spend a week, Hoboken or Vegas?
Hard to imagine that the USPS didn't already have a few file photos of Lady
Liberty, considering that this is far from the first time she's appeared on a
U.S. postage stamp.
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 20:41:28 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 18:24:39 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 15:14:06 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:26:17 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>>>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I feel that if you give a youngster some of these postage stamps than
>>>>>>>>> you will have given them the *wrong* message. A little like giving
>>>>>>>>> them fast food to eat (that is almost-always unhealthy). I'm not
>>>>>>>>> planning to purchase any commemorative civil war stamps for my own
>>>>>>>>> collection or usage. And as you can tell, I've run my own campaign
>>>>>>>>> against them right here and gained further insight in the process.
>>>>>>>>> Thank you for listening and writing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh good lord - now it's hit the point of "thinking of the children...". You
>>>>>>>> are stretching with this Bill. You can feel any way you wish about the
>>>>>>>> Civil War, The War Between The States, The War of Northern Aggression, etc.,
>>>>>>>> and it really does not matter - it happened and what you think about it
>>>>>>>> today does not change that one bit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suppose I accept what you said. Then if you multiply my feelings by the
>>>>>>> number of our population, then you would conclude that what the populace
>>>>>>> thinks doesn't change things one bit again. But that, I think, is absurd.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just as we're producing a generation of non-craftsman now, and students
>>>>>>> who "don't like math", we will produce a generation ignorant of the
>>>>>>> atrocity of the civil war. One needs to familiarize themselves with the
>>>>>>> details to realize the atrocity. How many bother? The stamps "belittle"
>>>>>>> the issue, IMHO--and that is all that prompted my original post.
>>>>>>> Changing one word of Neil Young's verse: "I've seen the postage and the
>>>>>>> damage done, a little bit of it in everyone...".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How does a piece of paper with some stickum on the back "belittle" anything or
>>>>>> anyone?
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a little like saying how could a "word" hurt anybody....
>>>>
>>>> Oh, now that you've brought that one up, you can explain that, too. In
>>>> particular, I want to know how you resolve the issues of "words hurting" and
>>>> the First Amendment.
>>>
>>> I'll save that for the Supreme Court.
>>
>> Cop out. *You* are the one calling for a limitation on speech.
>
>Did I really do that (please remind me where)?
Just what do you think banning "hurt (hate) speech" is?
>>>> Words are useful tools. Sometimes they do hurt. Oh well.
>>>
>>> Any useful tool can be misused too. If you want to hit your thumb with
>>> your hammer, that's your business. But if you miss, and hit me, than
>>> your hammer (words) becomes my business too (IME)!
>>
>> Terrible analogy. You do have the right to not be offended. You do not have
>> the right to tell someone else what (not) to say.
>
>I'm sorry you didn't like my analogy. I've already made my points the
>best that I can. Verbal "bullying" is addressed here:
Oh, good grief...
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying
...don't run away crying.
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>If you were the photog given the assignment to shoot the Statue of
>>Liberty,
>>where would you rather spend a week, Hoboken or Vegas?
>
> Hard to imagine that the USPS didn't already have a few file photos of
> Lady
> Liberty, considering that this is far from the first time she's appeared
> on a
> U.S. postage stamp.
I recall having a 1 cent stamp in my collection of the Statue of Liberty
"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:32:19 -0400, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
>> I wish they'd fold the
>> orgzanization up and let private industry take over. Private industry
>> would be held accoutable... the USPS isn't held accountable for the
>> crappy service.
>
> Some have crappy service others have great service. I'm in the latter
> group. Our carrier has been the same for over 20 years and she does a
> great job. You might be surprised at the results you get if you complain
> - unless you're the only person complaining.
>
> Some things are better done by private industry, some by government. Way
> back before the tea party, a conservative politician in northern Illinois
> campaigned on the premise that the only things the feds should do was
> raise an army and deliver the mail :-).
>
It's not a carrier problem.... they consolidated sorting centers and things
went bad at that point. I've filed formal complaints repeatedly over time
and have encouraged others to do so... trying to get others to file a formal
complaint is like pulling teeth. The same pattern occurs every time. They
talk to the carrier. We've told the carrier that we know it's not him (3
different regular ones involved over the years) but management is in denial
that there is a systemic problem.
Yup, national defense was supposed to be the primary function and then Ben
got the PO thing going. ;~)