B A R R Y wrote:
>
>
> Mike Richter, the retired Stanley Cup and Olympic silver medallist New
> York Ranger goaltender is currently attending Yale Law school. Ted
> Donato, a retired Bruins and Rangers star graduated from Harvard.
> Retired NBA player Kevin Johnson created a foundation to improve inner
> city schools. KJ was talented enough to be offered professional
> basketball and baseball contracts. Brains and athletic talent can
> certainly co-exist.
>
Frank Ryan, quarterback for the Cleveland Browns held a PhD in
Mathematics from CWRU. Bernie Kosar was eligible for the draft
because he graduated after three years from the University of Miami.
Jim Brown had a degree in Marketing from Syracuse University and
for his first eight years in the NFL made more money in his off-season
job for Pepsi Cola than he did playing ball.
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FF
Jim Artherholt wrote:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
> > [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Frank Ryan, quarterback for the Cleveland Browns held a PhD in
> > > Mathematics from CWRU. Bernie Kosar was eligible for the draft
> > > because he graduated after three years from the University of Miami.
> > >
> > > Jim Brown had a degree in Marketing from Syracuse University and
> > > for his first eight years in the NFL made more money in his off-season
> > > job for Pepsi Cola than he did playing ball.
> > >
> >
> > Sounds like a Browns fan of old.
> >
> > BTW, had Case & Reserve merged by '64?
> >
> > Lew
>
> Case and Reserve "federated" in '66/'67, if I recall correctly, and
> merged 2-3 years later.
>
> Jim Artherholt CIT '65 ;-)
Oops, right. I believe Ryan's degree was from Western Reserve.
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FF
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:41:28 GMT, Mapdude <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Oh, by the way, I LOVE basketball, but only NCAA brand, could care less
>about the professional brand.
Since you brought it up... <G>
Do you really think NCAA Division 1 men's basketball, or football,
for that matter, is not professional? It's a minor league for two
sports that don't have real farm systems.
At least in baseball and hockey, someone who is very talented in the
sport, but not university material, can develop their skills toward a
professional, major league career without some sort of fake academic
program. The super talented players often don't bother to graduate
anyway, as they go pro before they're seniors.
B A R R Y wrote:
>
> Swampbug wrote:
> > Won't do us here any good, our local PBS is too busy raising money. All
> > channels here who once carried NYW have slowly stopped offering it. When we
> > did/do see an episode it was far from current schedule.
>
> We don't see it at all on CPTV.
>
> They sure carry lots of UCONN women's basketball, though.
CraPpyTV has got to be one of the worst PBS stations. I'm glad to be rid
of them and in a market where the PBS station programs for the
demographics of the market, not the demographics of their internal
political clique.
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Frank Ryan, quarterback for the Cleveland Browns held a PhD in
> > Mathematics from CWRU. Bernie Kosar was eligible for the draft
> > because he graduated after three years from the University of Miami.
> >
> > Jim Brown had a degree in Marketing from Syracuse University and
> > for his first eight years in the NFL made more money in his off-season
> > job for Pepsi Cola than he did playing ball.
> >
>
> Sounds like a Browns fan of old.
>
> BTW, had Case & Reserve merged by '64?
>
> Lew
Case and Reserve "federated" in '66/'67, if I recall correctly, and
merged 2-3 years later.
Jim Artherholt CIT '65 ;-)
[email protected] wrote:
>
> Frank Ryan, quarterback for the Cleveland Browns held a PhD in
> Mathematics from CWRU. Bernie Kosar was eligible for the draft
> because he graduated after three years from the University of Miami.
>
> Jim Brown had a degree in Marketing from Syracuse University and
> for his first eight years in the NFL made more money in his off-season
> job for Pepsi Cola than he did playing ball.
>
Sounds like a Browns fan of old.
BTW, had Case & Reserve merged by '64?
Lew
B A R R Y wrote:
> Since you brought it up... <G>
>
> Do you really think NCAA Division 1 men's basketball, or football,
> for that matter, is not professional? It's a minor league for two
> sports that don't have real farm systems.
That is the end result for only about 5% of the players who have the
potential to move to the next level. The rest of the kids are getting
free educations because of their athletic abilities. Most of those kids
have invested a considerable amount of their time and energy to get to
the level of ability that they have.
> At least in baseball and hockey, someone who is very talented in the
> sport, but not university material, can develop their skills toward a
> professional, major league career without some sort of fake academic
> program.
What percentage of baseball and hockey players did not go to college? I
don't understand the term "fake academic program". The universities set
the requirements, the student satisfies them, they get their "degree".
The relative "worth" of that degree will be determined by the job market
in the real world. Those kids still have to create a resume and
interview for jobs. They have to get those jobs on their own merrits.
If they can't cut it, then they are the ones that suffer. "Inferior,
unqualified" graduates dilute the potentcy of a diploma from a given
school? If that is the case, then I will make sure my kids don't go to
school there.
I got 2 boys, one just graduated from the U of Tennessee Knoxville. He
got his job based on his GPA and course of study, the fact that they
don't graduate very many football players, and a lot go to the pros did
not factor into his getting a job at the corp. office of the biggest
retailer in the world.
> The super talented players often don't bother to graduate
> anyway, as they go pro before they're seniors.
If opportunity knocks on your door, are you going to refuse to answer it
until you get a diploma??? If it were me, I'd put a couple of million
in the bank now, cause I can always go back later and get that degree.
I could even pay for it myself at that point, and not be a burden on the
system. But here at my local university, they have a standing policy,
after you exhaust your eligibilty, you can still work toward your degree
for free, even 20 years later. There is no reason not to get that
degree, period.
Swampbug wrote:
> Won't do us here any good, our local PBS is too busy raising money.
All
> channels here who once carried NYW have slowly stopped offering it.
When we
> did/do see an episode it was far from current schedule.
>
Sounds like SoCal.
The L/A station stopped carrying NYW 2-3 years ago.
The Orange County station has been in continuous begging mode for the
last month.
Lew
Swampbug wrote:
> Won't do us here any good, our local PBS is too busy raising money. All
> channels here who once carried NYW have slowly stopped offering it. When we
> did/do see an episode it was far from current schedule.
We don't see it at all on CPTV.
They sure carry lots of UCONN women's basketball, though.
Won't do us here any good, our local PBS is too busy raising money. All
channels here who once carried NYW have slowly stopped offering it. When we
did/do see an episode it was far from current schedule.
--
SwampBug
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What do you think about the projects that Norm's lined up
> for this season? I like the various projects towards the
> end and the clock, but the gilt mirror wasn't my
> cup of tea. So glad he's back tho!
>
> MJ Wallace
>
I know I wasn't impressed with the guilded mirror. I was so
unimpressed that I just turned it off and went out into the shop and
puttered around a bit. I haven't checked out the other projects yet.
Make more sawdust,
Woodworkerdan
Dan Harriman
Orange, Texas
[email protected] wrote in news:1167890440.158552.87270
@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
> What do you think about the projects that Norm's lined up
> for this season? I like the various projects towards the
> end and the clock, but the gilt mirror wasn't my
> cup of tea. So glad he's back tho!
>
> MJ Wallace
>
>
Pete C. wrote:
> B A R R Y wrote:
>> Swampbug wrote:
>>> Won't do us here any good, our local PBS is too busy raising money. All
>>> channels here who once carried NYW have slowly stopped offering it. When we
>>> did/do see an episode it was far from current schedule.
>> We don't see it at all on CPTV.
>>
>> They sure carry lots of UCONN women's basketball, though.
>
> CraPpyTV has got to be one of the worst PBS stations. I'm glad to be rid
> of them and in a market where the PBS station programs for the
> demographics of the market, not the demographics of their internal
> political clique.
For a while, I had a different PBS feed via DirecTV, getting the Boston
(WGBH??) station. Once we really got "local programming" CPTV bumped
off Boston.
I freaking hate basketball, no matter what gender is on the court. How
do you get excited when each team scores 50 times? <G>
That's what is so great about America. You can dislike something and
then have the freedom to waste bandwith griping about it to other people
who could give a flip about your opinions.....
Oh, by the way, I LOVE basketball, but only NCAA brand, could care less
about the professional brand.
B A R R Y wrote:
>
> I freaking hate basketball, no matter what gender is on the court. How
> do you get excited when each team scores 50 times? <G>
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:41:28 GMT, Mapdude <[email protected]> wrote:
>That's what is so great about America. You can dislike something and
>then have the freedom to waste bandwith griping about it to other people
>who could give a flip about your opinions.....
Yea, baby! <G>
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 02:35:22 GMT, Mapdude <[email protected]> wrote:
>That is the end result for only about 5% of the players who have the
>potential to move to the next level. The rest of the kids are getting
>free educations because of their athletic abilities. Most of those kids
>have invested a considerable amount of their time and energy to get to
>the level of ability that they have.
I totally agree. For the kids who can and will do the work, I
think athletic scholarships are fantastic.
>
>What percentage of baseball and hockey players did not go to college? I
>don't understand the term "fake academic program". The universities set
>the requirements, the student satisfies them, they get their "degree".
I don't know the percentages for baseball, but the last number I saw
for the NHL was 19% had gone to college. The rest came up through the
minors and from European pro leagues. With the high percentage of
Dominican players, I'd guess Major League Baseball is similar.
What I'm saying is that a kid who is a fantastic player, but not
necessarily a student, has a path to a professional career that
doesn't exist in basketball and football.
Fantastic players who are stupid (not college material) get pushed,
spoon-fed, and coddled through school. That's what I mean by "fake"
academic program.
This article states NCAA Division 1 men's basketball has the worst
graduation rate of any sport, 59%:
<http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2605065>
NCAA Division 1 basketball and football has become such a huge money
draw, academic and disciplinary rules get bent under financial
pressures. Don't believe me? Compare some of the crap that goes on
in Men's Division 1 schools to the NCAA lower levels and the Ivy
League.
Do you think the leader of the UCONN hockey or cycling team would get
the same treatment as the UCONN men's basketball player who was
convicted (not accused, please note the difference) of stealing and
fencing laptops?
How about the UCONN basketball player who was employed by a car dealer
as a "porter / detailer" (a $7-$9 / hr. job comparable to a hotel
maid), complete with a new, company-provided SUV? The other folks
working in the dealership, including the guy who was supposed to be
his BOSS, couldn't identify him in a picture, because he'd never been
there! <G> They didn't have company cars, either.
My wife went to Clemson, the same crap went on there with the football
team.
_Some_ of those kids, not your son, belong in a minor league, not a
university.
>
>I got 2 boys, one just graduated from the U of Tennessee Knoxville. He
>got his job based on his GPA and course of study, the fact that they
>don't graduate very many football players, and a lot go to the pros did
>not factor into his getting a job at the corp. office of the biggest
>retailer in the world.
Absolutely!! Because he was capable of doing and willing to do the
school work! <G>
Mike Richter, the retired Stanley Cup and Olympic silver medallist New
York Ranger goaltender is currently attending Yale Law school. Ted
Donato, a retired Bruins and Rangers star graduated from Harvard.
Retired NBA player Kevin Johnson created a foundation to improve inner
city schools. KJ was talented enough to be offered professional
basketball and baseball contracts. Brains and athletic talent can
certainly co-exist.
A great, but really dumb, quarterback gets spoon fed college. Your
kid earned his degree, and had the brains to understand the value and
make the most of it. The super talented slabs of beef and your kid
have only a uniform in common. I'll bet if Bill Gates handed your kid
tuition, he would have done well without playing ball. Guys like him
are not what I'm talking about.
I work with a guy who played (and started) on a famous Boston College
Rose Bowl team with Bill Romanowski and Doug Flutie. He's got the
photos, ESPN team reunion footage, and the ring to back it up. He's
not a dumb-ass, but he's got all kinds of stories of teammates that
would have been better served in a minor league and really had no
business in college.