I recently came into a bunch of 4/4 rough maple and would like to
laminate some of it into thicker stock for legs. I'm planning on
either painting or ebonizing them, so I'm not so worried about grain
or color match as I am about the glue lines becoming visible over
time. (Is this called "cold creep"?) I've seen where even T3 develps
this and I'd like to avoid it if possible. Can anyone recommend a
glue that would minimize this issue?
Thanks.
JP
Yes you may get some glue creep over time. Just be sure to use a dye
as part of your ebonizing process and it should colorize the glue
enough so if any creeps it will still be the right color.
In fact, I would assume you could dye the glue prior to using it
without adverse effects. Just a drop or two of transtint. But I am not
100% sure this wouldn't screw up the glue but might be worth testing.
On Aug 21, 8:32=A0am, Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote:
> I recently came into a bunch of 4/4 rough maple and would like to
> laminate some of it into thicker stock for legs. =A0I'm planning on
> either painting or ebonizing them, so I'm not so worried about grain
> or color match as I am about the glue lines becoming visible over
> time. =A0(Is this called "cold creep"?) =A0I've seen where even T3 develp=
s
> this and I'd like to avoid it if possible. =A0Can anyone recommend a
> glue that would minimize this issue?
>
> Thanks.
>
> JP
"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I recently came into a bunch of 4/4 rough maple and would like to
> laminate some of it into thicker stock for legs. I'm planning on
> either painting or ebonizing them, so I'm not so worried about grain
> or color match as I am about the glue lines becoming visible over
> time. (Is this called "cold creep"?) I've seen where even T3 develps
> this and I'd like to avoid it if possible. Can anyone recommend a
> glue that would minimize this issue?
>
When I was a young man urea formaldehyde glues were used. Cascamite was the
brand. A white powder mixed with water which goes off to a rock hard,
brittle, waterproof, gap filling, chisel blunting resin. Never a glue line.
The bottom line is that a PVA glue doesn't set hard, so any subsequent
stress will expose a glue line, especially in a dark finish. It doesn't sand
away to powder either so sometimes you get a glue line anyway. I have been
using polyurethane for some years now scarfing new wood onto old, planing
and painting and so far the results are excellent, no glue line (as long as
I got the joint close).
Tim W
Jay Pique wrote:
> I recently came into a bunch of 4/4 rough maple and would like to
> laminate some of it into thicker stock for legs. I'm planning on
> either painting or ebonizing them, so I'm not so worried about grain
> or color match as I am about the glue lines becoming visible over
> time. (Is this called "cold creep"?) I've seen where even T3 develps
> this and I'd like to avoid it if possible. Can anyone recommend a
> glue that would minimize this issue?
Jay Pique wrote:
> I recently came into a bunch of 4/4 rough maple and would like to
> laminate some of it into thicker stock for legs. I'm planning on
> either painting or ebonizing them, so I'm not so worried about grain
> or color match as I am about the glue lines becoming visible over
> time. (Is this called "cold creep"?) I've seen where even T3 develps
> this and I'd like to avoid it if possible. Can anyone recommend a
> glue that would minimize this issue?
IME, and depending upon the cut (plain sawn, quarter sawn, etc), you
will generally not have a problem with creep when laminating face to
face to gain thickness for things like table legs.
The "glue line creep" problem seems more prevalent when gluing up
panels, edge to edge, and can also be affected in magnitude by the
particular cut of the wood used to do the "laminating".
IME, quarter sawn wood will often move more in thickness than it does in
width, resulting in the creep becoming more obvious with changes in RH,
particularly on edge to edge panel glue-ups.
I've laminated/glued up quite a bit of stock for table legs, face grain
to face grain, and have yet to have a problem with glue line creep.
As alway, YMMV ... just my experience.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
Very interesting info.
On Aug 21, 10:01=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jay Pique wrote:
> > I recently came into a bunch of 4/4 rough maple and would like to
> > laminate some of it into thicker stock for legs. =A0I'm planning on
> > either painting or ebonizing them, so I'm not so worried about grain
> > or color match as I am about the glue lines becoming visible over
> > time. =A0(Is this called "cold creep"?) =A0I've seen where even T3 deve=
lps
> > this and I'd like to avoid it if possible. =A0Can anyone recommend a
> > glue that would minimize this issue?
> Jay Pique wrote:
> > I recently came into a bunch of 4/4 rough maple and would like to
> > laminate some of it into thicker stock for legs. =A0I'm planning on
> > either painting or ebonizing them, so I'm not so worried about grain
> > or color match as I am about the glue lines becoming visible over
> > time. =A0(Is this called "cold creep"?) =A0I've seen where even T3 deve=
lps
> > this and I'd like to avoid it if possible. =A0Can anyone recommend a
> > glue that would minimize this issue?
>
> IME, and depending upon the cut (plain sawn, quarter sawn, etc), you
> will generally not have a problem with creep when laminating face to
> face to gain thickness for things like table legs.
>
> The "glue line creep" problem seems more prevalent when gluing up
> panels, edge to edge, and can also be affected in magnitude by the
> particular cut of the wood used to do the "laminating".
>
> IME, quarter sawn wood will often move more in thickness than it does in
> width, resulting in the creep becoming more obvious with changes in RH,
> particularly on edge to edge panel glue-ups.
>
> I've laminated/glued up quite a bit of stock for table legs, face grain
> to face grain, and have yet to have a problem with glue line creep.
>
> As alway, YMMV ... just my experience.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
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"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:a9feaf70-70d9-4751-af55-37e7f83fad5f@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>I recently came into a bunch of 4/4 rough maple and would like to
> laminate some of it into thicker stock for legs. I'm planning on
> either painting or ebonizing them, so I'm not so worried about grain
> or color match as I am about the glue lines becoming visible over
> time. (Is this called "cold creep"?) I've seen where even T3 develps
> this and I'd like to avoid it if possible. Can anyone recommend a
> glue that would minimize this issue?
>
> Thanks.
>
> JP
I have some experience laminating stock and most of the problems I
have seen are related to poor fit and inadequate clamping pressure.
Titebond recommends 175 to 250 psi clamping pressure for T2,
(on hard hardwoods)
for a 30 inch table leg 4 inches wide this works out to a minimum
of 21,000 pounds, think very heavy clamping frames and hydraulic
jacks.
It sounds extreme but it will give you permanent thin glue joints.
basilisk
Jay Pique wrote:
> I recently came into a bunch of 4/4 rough maple and would like to
> laminate some of it into thicker stock for legs. I'm planning on
> either painting or ebonizing them, so I'm not so worried about grain
> or color match as I am about the glue lines becoming visible over
> time. (Is this called "cold creep"?) I've seen where even T3 develps
> this and I'd like to avoid it if possible. Can anyone recommend a
> glue that would minimize this issue?
Obvious choice is an oldie but a goodie, Weldwood Plastic Resin Glue.
Whatever else one may say about it, it's _not_ going to creep.
Stuff used to be in any hardware store in small cans, now the smallest you
can get is a pound and it's hard to find. If all else fails Amazon has it.
"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I recently came into a bunch of 4/4 rough maple and would like to
> laminate some of it into thicker stock for legs. I'm planning on
> either painting or ebonizing them, so I'm not so worried about grain
> or color match as I am about the glue lines becoming visible over
> time. (Is this called "cold creep"?) I've seen where even T3 develps
> this and I'd like to avoid it if possible. Can anyone recommend a
> glue that would minimize this issue?
>
> Thanks.
>
> JP
Eleminate the glue lines in the expected areas.
Glue up your panels and then cut your leg blanks out with a 45 degree bevel.
Basically this puts the glue line on the corner of the leg instead of in the
middle. I can provide a drawing of the concept if you like.