I saw this very nice table on eBay. I have no affiliation with the
seller, I just though it was a really beautiful piece and has some
unique elements. I communicated with the guy and he sent some pics of
his other work, also beautiful.
I aspire to do work this nice. I have a few pieces in the hopper, just
need to finish the drawers, then on to the fun part of trying some new
finishes I've been working on.
I also aspire to get the prices he is getting.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4407860100&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1
Leuf (in [email protected]) said:
| On 30 Sep 2005 09:32:33 -0700, "SonomaProducts.com"
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
|| I saw this very nice table on eBay.
| <snip>
|| I also aspire to get the prices he is getting.
|
| Looks like he has a few past sales. It's pretty tough to sell
| quality on ebay. My last batch all I sold was one small piece that
| was enough to cover materials and the fees on all the other
| listings and that was about it. The previous time was a little
| better. For the most part it's just cheap advertising to drive
| people to your website.
|
| The previous time I had one guy ask me if I was going to relist
| because he got outbid, and that he wanted it cheap because he was
| just going to use it to make copies to sell. Right...
It's pretty tough selling quality almost anywhere except within a
local market. There would seem to be a great many who make a practice
of "lifting" other people's designs in order to sell at lower prices
to their local markets. When my woodworking "tools" pages had been
"hit" over 200k times (with no generated sales, no thanks, and only 3
feedback e-mails), I reluctantly concluded that I might be enabling
too many of the wrong folk.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html
Cheaper is a great word. Frankly, the table you linked to is now where
near the same class, in my opinion. No through tenons, an ugly color
and the design is just flat. The table isn't bad but not inspiring at
all.
The other designs at the bottom of the listing are just clunky. He has
a nightstand with a drawer. It does have through tenons but they are
really bad looking. The grain on the top and the shelf is running front
to back. I've never seen that and it's just weird looking. He is also
proud to point out that he is using drawer slides. I really don't like
crapping on other people's work because mine would provide some pretty
good laughs to a lot of folks but this stuff is just amateur vs
classic.
I agree it is pretty low class to badmouth the guys work and I
apologize to him, even though I suppose he isn't aware of the
discussion. It's just frustrating. I sell on eBay and I "hope" my stuff
is nicer than this guys. However, because so many folks offer these
lower end items at cheap prices it makes it difficult to get what your
stuff is worth.
When I see some real quality, I like seeing it. That's the type of
competition I like.
In our free market I don't begrudge anyone brining stuff to market. I
guess I should try to encourage better work rather than denegrating a
fellow craftsman's efforts.
I am carving out markets of my own and starting to do OK. eBay is one
place I can still sell. I'll typicially use it as a market of last
resort once I'm willing to sell a piece at a discount and I almost
always get a sale. I'd do more if it weren't for the frickin shipping,
what a hassle.
BW
I agree it is pretty low class to badmouth the guys work and I
apologize to him, even though I suppose he isn't aware of the
discussion. It's just frustrating. I sell on eBay and I "hope" my stuff
is nicer than this guys. However, because so many folks offer these
lower end items at cheap prices it makes it difficult to get what your
stuff is worth.
When I see some real quality, I like seeing it. That's the type of
competition I like.
In our free market I don't begrudge anyone brining stuff to market. I
guess I should try to encourage better work rather than denegrating a
fellow craftsman's efforts.
I am carving out markets of my own and starting to do OK. eBay is one
place I can still sell. I'll typicially use it as a market of last
resort once I'm willing to sell a piece at a discount and I almost
always get a sale. I'd do more if it weren't for the frickin shipping,
what a hassle.
BW
On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 09:06:54 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>I couldn't agree more. Looks like a WalMart packaged RTA in comparison.
>It's an awful thin line between the tables posted... but, to me at least, a
>blatantly obvious one.
Walmart, made in NY? You really make me laugh!
>Then again, Ford sold a lot of Granadas (in North America) because they looked
>European.
>
>I can't see how he can build it for those prices.
Than again there are people or Corporation make a killing and gouging
people, while others who try to make a decent honest living whithout
costing you an arm or leg!
On 30 Sep 2005 21:12:24 -0700, "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Cheaper is a great word. Frankly, the table you linked to is now where
>near the same class, in my opinion. No through tenons, an ugly color
>and the design is just flat. The table isn't bad but not inspiring at
>all.
>
>The other designs at the bottom of the listing are just clunky. He has
>a nightstand with a drawer. It does have through tenons but they are
>really bad looking. The grain on the top and the shelf is running front
>to back. I've never seen that and it's just weird looking. He is also
>proud to point out that he is using drawer slides. I really don't like
>crapping on other people's work because mine would provide some pretty
>good laughs to a lot of folks but this stuff is just amateur vs
>classic.
You are bias or maybe a competitive seller in Ebay. I have no relation to the
website I posted earlier, except I bought genuine Klingspor's drum sandpaper
from him at very cheap prices, he's very honest and gives you the choice of
colors and materials. Cheap does not necessarily mean poor workmanship or ugly
as you mentioned, it is the matter of preference. A man's wife maybe the most
beautiful woman in the world to him, to others she might be a cheap ugly bitch
and we MUST have the decency NEVER to say it in public or to ANYONE.
I will never badmouth anyone be it a multibillion Corporations, especially a one
man enterprise making a clean and honest living in the US or anywhere.
On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:59:16 -0500, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote:
>It's pretty tough selling quality almost anywhere except within a
>local market. There would seem to be a great many who make a practice
>of "lifting" other people's designs in order to sell at lower prices
>to their local markets. When my woodworking "tools" pages had been
>"hit" over 200k times (with no generated sales, no thanks, and only 3
>feedback e-mails), I reluctantly concluded that I might be enabling
>too many of the wrong folk.
>--
>Morris Dovey
>DeSoto Solar
>DeSoto, Iowa USA
>http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html
You are absolute right, and it's never easy to sell at Ebay. The best may not be
cheapest and the cheapest may not be crab either. An example, I brought three
identical, new, genuine, sealed and unopened laser toners in Ebay: I paid $50
each for two and the third one, I paid $22. The toner selling not less than $140
elsewhere.
Someone I know sells at Ebay, everyone (new sellers) copies the patterns, some
email to enquire how to make it, while other asked for the sources of the
materials and a few buys and copy exactly to sell at Ebay at 1/2 the prices.
This is FREE MARKET:-).
On 30 Sep 2005 09:32:33 -0700, "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I saw this very nice table on eBay. I have no affiliation with the
>seller, I just though it was a really beautiful piece and has some
>unique elements. I communicated with the guy and he sent some pics of
>his other work, also beautiful.
>
>I aspire to do work this nice. I have a few pieces in the hopper, just
>need to finish the drawers, then on to the fun part of trying some new
>finishes I've been working on.
>
>I also aspire to get the prices he is getting.
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4407860100&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1
Why not try this one much cheaper?
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-mission-oak-sofa-table-furniture_W0QQitemZ4401188660QQcategoryZ38206QQcmdZViewItem
On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 19:44:41 -0700, Charles Bull
<[email protected]> wrote:
>You are absolute right, and it's never easy to sell at Ebay. The best may not be
>cheapest and the cheapest may not be crab either. An example, I brought three
>identical, new, genuine, sealed and unopened laser toners in Ebay: I paid $50
>each for two and the third one, I paid $22. The toner selling not less than $140
>elsewhere.
Were they stolen? <G>
I've heard rumors that many, many toner and ink carts on eBay are
stolen from the seller's employer. My own company has fired and
charged employees for this.
Fri, Sep 30, 2005, 9:32am (EDT-3) [email protected] did claim:
<snip> I also aspire to get the prices he is getting.
No, what you should have said is, you aspire to get the prices he
"is asking". It didnt sell, and was relisted.
I buy stuff on eBay, but myself, I would never buy any piece of
furniture I couldn't eyeball first.
JOAT
The Truth Shall Set Ye Frea
"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message
> discussion. It's just frustrating. I sell on eBay and I "hope" my stuff
> is nicer than this guys.
<snip>
> However, because so many folks offer these
> lower end items at cheap prices it makes it difficult to get what your
> stuff is worth.
>
> When I see some real quality, I like seeing it. That's the type of
> competition I like.
You don't have anything to worry about.
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"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> snip
> I also aspire to get the prices he is getting.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4407860100&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1
So far he has 0 bids.....
If his work is good, then the price seems reasonable. But if you can judge
quality from the photos you are better than me.
A local woodworker has a shop where he sells cherry furniture for extremely
reasonable prices; $800 for a large serving table with drawers for example.
Sadly the wood is all mismatched, the dovetails have big gaps, etc. His
work is hideous and a waste of time and cherry; I can't imagine why he even
does it; as he can't make much money or get much satisfaction from it.
However, I expect that photographs of it on ebay would look just fine.
In article <[email protected]>,
Charles Bull <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 09:06:54 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I couldn't agree more.
*****Looks like****** a WalMart packaged RTA in comparison.
> >It's an awful thin line between the tables posted... but, to me at least, a
> >blatantly obvious one.
>
> Walmart, made in NY? You really make me laugh!
>
Good! Laughter is the best medicine you know...
But, having said that, what part of 'looks like' didn't you understand?
> >Then again, Ford sold a lot of Granadas (in North America) because they
> >looked
> >European.
> >
> >I can't see how he can build it for those prices.
>
> Than again there are people or Corporation make a killing and gouging
> people, while others who try to make a decent honest living whithout
> costing you an arm or leg!
Unless he gets his wood for free, has a shop which runs on free energy,
doesn't pay for sharpening, maintenance, lighting, heat, insurance.... I
can't see him making a living at those prices. His stuff, to me, looks
to be in a different class than the stuff I see at
http://www.sonomaproducts.com/Furniture/furniture.htm
or
http://www.stickley.com/
When people build furniture without paying attention to grain
orientation, I find it difficult to take those products seriously.
But, hey, I never begrudged anybody making an honest living.
In article <[email protected]>,
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Cheaper is a great word. Frankly, the table you linked to is now where
> near the same class, in my opinion. No through tenons, an ugly color
> and the design is just flat. The table isn't bad but not inspiring at
> all.
>
I couldn't agree more. Looks like a WalMart packaged RTA in comparison.
It's an awful thin line between the tables posted... but, to me at least, a
blatantly obvious one.
Then again, Ford sold a lot of Granadas (in North America) because they looked
European.
I can't see how he can build it for those prices.
[snip]
>He is also
> proud to point out that he is using drawer slides. I really don't like
> crapping on other people's work because mine would provide some pretty
> good laughs to a lot of folks but this stuff is just amateur vs
> classic.
Agreed. Drawer slides???
In article <[email protected]>,
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I saw this very nice table on eBay. I have no affiliation with the
> seller, I just though it was a really beautiful piece and has some
> unique elements. I communicated with the guy and he sent some pics of
> his other work, also beautiful.
>
> I aspire to do work this nice. I have a few pieces in the hopper, just
> need to finish the drawers, then on to the fun part of trying some new
> finishes I've been working on.
>
> I also aspire to get the prices he is getting.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4407860100&ssPageName=ADME:
> B:EF:US:1
I don't think that the price is unreasonable. In fact, he'd need to build one of
those in 3 days and get his material for a really cheap price in order to make
it worth his while.
I'm not too fond of the stain selection.
"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
> It's pretty tough selling quality almost anywhere except within a
> local market.
Some things never change ... you can imagine some Egyptian saying the same
thing 2k years ago. Makes you wonder just how the Internet/mass
communication has changed the woodworking craft, if at all.
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On 30 Sep 2005 09:32:33 -0700, "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I saw this very nice table on eBay.
<snip>
>I also aspire to get the prices he is getting.
Looks like he has a few past sales. It's pretty tough to sell quality
on ebay. My last batch all I sold was one small piece that was enough
to cover materials and the fees on all the other listings and that was
about it. The previous time was a little better. For the most part
it's just cheap advertising to drive people to your website.
The previous time I had one guy ask me if I was going to relist
because he got outbid, and that he wanted it cheap because he was just
going to use it to make copies to sell. Right...
-Leuf
On 30 Sep 2005 21:12:24 -0700, "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Cheaper is a great word. Frankly, the table you linked to is now where
>near the same class, in my opinion.
Given the photo quality, it's hard to judge either. But the first one
could be a very nice piece of furniture (in the flesh) and the second
one clearly isn't.
"Robatoy" wrote in message
> In article <
> "SonomaProducts.com" wrote:
>
> > Cheaper is a great word. Frankly, the table you linked to is now where
> > near the same class, in my opinion. No through tenons, an ugly color
> > and the design is just flat. The table isn't bad but not inspiring at
> > all.
> >
>
> I couldn't agree more. Looks like a WalMart packaged RTA in comparison.
> It's an awful thin line between the tables posted... but, to me at least,
a
> blatantly obvious one.
> Then again, Ford sold a lot of Granadas (in North America) because they
looked
> European.
>
> I can't see how he can build it for those prices.
>
> [snip]
> >He is also
> > proud to point out that he is using drawer slides. I really don't like
> > crapping on other people's work because mine would provide some pretty
> > good laughs to a lot of folks but this stuff is just amateur vs
> > classic.
>
> Agreed. Drawer slides???
The man actually has woodworking product for sale and he shows pictures of
what he's selling, which is more than a casual observer of the thread can
say of his critics at this point.
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