Hi all; a picture can explain it better than words can, so please
see http://imgur.com/a/33GiM
Bottom line, I have a roof support bracket consisting of
three pieces to be assembled into a unit. I can easily do this
part with glue and/or screws.
But I also need to attach it to a wall as shown in the pictures.
I keep thinking this might be easier to do somehow if I were to
attach the vertical piece to the wall first, as shown in the
4th picture, and then the horizontal piece, and then the carved
piece.
Any suggestions? Anybody else come up against a similar assembly
problem?
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
On Monday, July 15, 2013 8:28:32 AM UTC-5, Greg Guarino wrote:
> On 7/11/2013 1:23 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: > Not sure how you managed to =
get the grain running in both directions on > the stud and top-plate:-) Tha=
t's the new "DSB*" everyone is talking about. *Disoriented Strand Board
It looks like mesquite, to me - re: Robert's link on another thread. Maybe=
that's how those Texans mill that cheap mesquite framing lumber.
As to installing the bracing, how about drilling the vertical piece/carving=
assembly (to dowel them together). Disassemble and use the vertical piece=
to align the dowel holes onto the cabin corner, then, using the drilled ve=
rtical piece holes as a guide, drill through the vertical piece holes into =
the cabin framing. Assemble/glue the vertical piece/carving, with the dowe=
ls extending from the backside of the vertical piece. Once dry, glue the a=
ssembly to the cabin and add screws, to the vertical piece edges, as the cl=
amping device.
Just wondering: Does the overhang sag down, a bit? Kinna looks like the o=
verhang extends about 30". Or is the carving assembly more for decor/accen=
t/accessorizing, rather than support?
Your whole project looks great. Good job, all around.
Sonny
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> Any suggestions? Anybody else come up against a similar assembly
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Just from the picture if that was the exact situation, maybe you could atta=
ch it from the back side of the wall.
Not knowing how strong the attachment needs to be, it seems you could also =
nail it in from the front with some finish nails through the face of the ve=
rtical piece at the edge next to the carved piece. Using 1 nail at each sid=
es edge next to where each screw is shown so you have 4 nails total (if tha=
t makes sense).
[email protected] (Edward A. Falk) writes:
>Hi all; a picture can explain it better than words can, so please
>see http://imgur.com/a/33GiM
>
>Bottom line, I have a roof support bracket consisting of
>three pieces to be assembled into a unit. I can easily do this
>part with glue and/or screws.
>
>But I also need to attach it to a wall as shown in the pictures.
>
>I keep thinking this might be easier to do somehow if I were to
>attach the vertical piece to the wall first, as shown in the
>4th picture, and then the horizontal piece, and then the carved
>piece.
>
>Any suggestions? Anybody else come up against a similar assembly
>problem?
Assemble first, then toenail and plug from the top and the bottom bevel
of the vertical component.
Not sure how you managed to get the grain running in both directions on
the stud and top-plate :-)
scott
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 15:56:51 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Edward A.
Falk) wrote:
>Hi all; a picture can explain it better than words can, so please
>see http://imgur.com/a/33GiM
>
>Bottom line, I have a roof support bracket consisting of
>three pieces to be assembled into a unit. I can easily do this
>part with glue and/or screws.
>
>But I also need to attach it to a wall as shown in the pictures.
>
>I keep thinking this might be easier to do somehow if I were to
>attach the vertical piece to the wall first, as shown in the
>4th picture, and then the horizontal piece, and then the carved
>piece.
>
>Any suggestions? Anybody else come up against a similar assembly
>problem?
I thought your pictures showed the assembly process clearly. I agree
with your sequence of assembly and that's how I would approach the job
too.
In article <[email protected]>,
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>Strictly decoration?
Sadly, no. Roof overhang support. See http://www.efalk.org/Vardo/bigs/vardo010.jpg.html
>If so, I would be attach the framing members as you have illustrated but
>perhaps line the dado in those pieces with velcro and make the carving
>piece easily removed for refinishing, repair, and or replacement. Maybe
>replaceable for pieces that match the season!
Actually, I really like the idea of having the carving part be
replaceable. Like if I get better at carving and decide to do
another one later.
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
In article <[email protected]>,
Scott Lurndal <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Not sure how you managed to get the grain running in both directions on
>the stud and top-plate :-)
Got lazy applying textures to sections that aren't normally
visible anyway. :)
(Or maybe it's that new amorphous cedar they're developing --
strong in all dimensions. Yay for genetic engineering.)
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
In article <[email protected]>,
Gordon Shumway <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>I thought your pictures showed the assembly process clearly. I agree
>with your sequence of assembly and that's how I would approach the job
>too.
Yeah, the problem is if I assemble it first, then how do I attach
it to the wall? I'm thinking very long screws all the way through
the stud on the other side.
Or, I could attach the dado pieces as shown in the
fourth photo, then how do I attach the carved piece?
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
Edward A. Falk wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Gordon Shumway <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I thought your pictures showed the assembly process clearly. I
>> agree with your sequence of assembly and that's how I would
>> approach the job too.
>
> Yeah, the problem is if I assemble it first, then how do I attach
> it to the wall? I'm thinking very long screws all the way through
> the stud on the other side.
>
> Or, I could attach the dado pieces as shown in the
> fourth photo, then how do I attach the carved piece?
When I do stuff like that I make a stopped sliding dovetail mortice in the
vertical piece then slide the knee into it. Fine for something that doesn;t
have a lot of load, much better if the knee is glued in.
Of course, you could also make the vertical piece wider than the knee is
thick, screw through it into the knee then use screws through the wider
sides of the vertical piece into whatever you are attaching it to.
--
dadiOH
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On 7/11/2013 11:56 AM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
> Hi all; a picture can explain it better than words can, so please
> see http://imgur.com/a/33GiM
>
> Bottom line, I have a roof support bracket consisting of
> three pieces to be assembled into a unit. I can easily do this
> part with glue and/or screws.
>
If "glue only" is a structurally-sound option, why not screw the
vertical piece into the cabin wall/frame, pre-assemble the carving and
the horizontal piece by whatever means you like and then glue the 2-part
assembly into the vertical dado? You'd need some fancy clamping I guess,
or, if you make the vertical piece thicker and the dado a little deeper,
you could put dowels (or screws) from one side of the vertical piece,
through the carving, and out the other side of the vertical.
Caveat: The proposed ideas above are the product of the fertile
imagination of a novice.
On 7/11/2013 10:56 AM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
> Hi all; a picture can explain it better than words can, so please
> see http://imgur.com/a/33GiM
>
> Bottom line, I have a roof support bracket consisting of
> three pieces to be assembled into a unit. I can easily do this
> part with glue and/or screws.
>
> But I also need to attach it to a wall as shown in the pictures.
>
> I keep thinking this might be easier to do somehow if I were to
> attach the vertical piece to the wall first, as shown in the
> 4th picture, and then the horizontal piece, and then the carved
> piece.
>
> Any suggestions? Anybody else come up against a similar assembly
> problem?
>
Strictly decoration?
If so, I would be attach the framing members as you have illustrated but
perhaps line the dado in those pieces with velcro and make the carving
piece easily removed for refinishing, repair, and or replacement. Maybe
replaceable for pieces that match the season!