Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
iron, available?
A few weeks back, I picked up a R4512, and I have no real complaints
(aside from my lack of experience). But in looking around before
the purchase, I found one site that says the Bench Dog ProMax will
fit on it. That got me thinking, it would be cool if I could get
a solid wing to replace the other side. Preferably something well
under the $400ish for the ProMax.
(Undecided on whether I *want* the ProMax. When I upgrade the
bench-top router table, I'm on the fence between a Norm style station
or a table saw type.)
--
Drew Lawson
I only came in search of answers, never planned to sell my soul
I only came in search of something left that I could call my own
Drew Lawson wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> writes:
>> Drew Lawson wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>
>>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> writes:
>>>> Drew Lawson wrote:
>>>>> Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
>>>>> iron, available?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Google?
>>>
>>> Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more
>>> reliable than asking people with experience.
>>
>> And your original question was... what?
>
> Quoted above.
>
> Googling on: aftermarket table saw wings
> brings an estimated 293,000 results.
Did you read any of those 293,000 results? The first page of results
contained an Amazon link to a cast iron router mount table saw wing. Not
sure if it's exactly what you're looking for, but it's there.
>
> The first page has a couple discussion pages where someone got wings
> from somewhere. Vendors aren't referenced and the threads are over
> a year old. The rest of the first page are vendor pages for people
> who sell "aftermarket foo" mention "table saw" somewhere under
> another product.
Don't have any idea what you are saying with aftermarket foo. Most wings
are aftermarket - especially if they contain a router mount.
>
> At this point I know that aftermarket router tables that replace
> one wing exist. That gives me hope that cast iron wings the same
> size are available, but I don't know. I'm a new player in this
> market space. Many posters here are esperienced players there.
> So I asked.
Don't know if the sizes I quickly found would satisfy your desire - I only
did a quick google search and only spend a few seconds looking at the
results. A more specific search would probably yield results closer to what
you may be looking for.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Leon wrote:
> On 4/11/2012 9:26 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Tougher material. Contrary to what has been said about melamine I
>>> have had glue stick to it well enough that the piece of wood that I
>>> was gluing on top of the TS melamine extension table stuck to it.
>>> Removal of that piece of wood resulted in the Melamine coming off
>>> with where the glue squeezed out. And Formica and or a like
>>> material does not chip around the edges as easily as melamine.
>>>
>>> Not saying the glue would not stick to Formica but it is
>>> approximately 4~5 times thicker than melamine and that would
>>> probably be less likely to break of chip off. My previous TS had
>>> Formica extension wings that I built and I never had an issue with it.
>>> Can't say the same
>>> with the melamine extension that came with my Jet TS.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Basically, it is kinda like deciding which you would prefer when
>>> buying plywood. One with a thick outer veneer on with a very thin
>>> outer veneer?
>>
>> Excellent! Thank you. Like I said - I never realized those
>> differences, and you've reshaped my thinking on this project
>> whenever I decide to undertake it.
>>
>>
>
> Consider doing this if you decide to to with a material like Formica.
>
> My hard wood supplier is a Wilson Art dealer. He will sell me damaged
> sheets for pennies on the dollar.
>
> ALSO most plastic laminates come in different thicknesses. Back
> splash thickness is typically thinner. Ask for the counter top
> thickness.
Also - very good info. Thanks!
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Apr 10, 12:45=A0pm, [email protected] (Drew Lawson) wrote:
> Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
> iron, available?
>
> A few weeks back, I picked up a R4512, and I have no real complaints
> (aside from my lack of experience). =A0But in looking around before
> the purchase, I found one site that says the Bench Dog ProMax will
> fit on it. =A0That got me thinking, it would be cool if I could get
> a solid wing to replace the other side. =A0Preferably something well
> under the $400ish for the ProMax.
>
> (Undecided on whether I *want* the ProMax. =A0When I upgrade the
> bench-top router table, I'm on the fence between a Norm style station
> or a table saw type.)
>
> --
> =A0Drew Lawson
>
> =A0I only came in search of answers, never planned to sell my soul
> =A0I only came in search of something left that I could call my own
I don't intend to be a smart-a** but it sounds like your are re-
thinking your original purchase. As I recall your saw is in the $500
range and, in the stores, it looks like a pretty nice machine. But if
you start adding a $400 router table wing and cast iron on the other
side you are getting into the range of some 3hp cabinet saws or 2hp
hybrids. Here is a cheaper cast router table wing if it will fit.
Also a Hybrid and another saw that if fitted with the wing would be a
pretty good upgrade for a little more money. I have a Grizzly 1023S
that is fitted with a shop made router table extension and fence that
was largely made from scrap. it is as good and as versatile as some
of the expensive ones. The extension table is within the length of
the saws rails.
http://www.grizzly.com/products/Router-Extension-Table-for-Table-Saw/H7507
http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-3-HP-220V-Cabinet-Left-Tilting-Table-Saw=
/G1023RL
http://www.grizzly.com/search/search.aspx?q=3Dtable%20saw&cachebuster=3D241=
2836803658641
"Drew Lawson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
> iron, available?
>
> A few weeks back, I picked up a R4512, and I have no real complaints
> (aside from my lack of experience). But in looking around before
> the purchase, I found one site that says the Bench Dog ProMax will
> fit on it. That got me thinking, it would be cool if I could get
> a solid wing to replace the other side. Preferably something well
> under the $400ish for the ProMax.
>
> (Undecided on whether I *want* the ProMax. When I upgrade the
> bench-top router table, I'm on the fence between a Norm style station
> or a table saw type.)
>
> --
> Drew Lawson
>
> I only came in search of answers, never planned to sell my soul
> I only came in search of something left that I could call my own
Probably available from a repair parts store.
I have a small basement shop and classify myself as a hobbyist. I
wanted a wider left-wing on my contractor saw so I added a Woodhaven
router table as the left wing. Great support for sawing larger
materials and I don't need to have a seperate router table taking up
space. Ya, the router table takes up the space, but I wanted the wider
left-wing anyway so I got 2-in-1.
I'm just fine with laminate (Formica) covered wood as my wings. It's
stable and strong. My 40" Biesemeyer table is laminate-covered and I
never had a desire for cast iron.
I do also use the saw wings as work spaces. But I also have a work
table just behind the saw for sanding, assembly, and supporting large
material as it comes off the saw. I don't have a real woodworkers
workbench.
Btw, I'm a bit of a neat freak and like to keep my tables cleaned off
when I'm not doing real work on them. :)
--
John S.
On 04/10/2012 01:15 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/10/2012 12:45 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
>> Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
>> iron, available?
>>
>> A few weeks back, I picked up a R4512, and I have no real complaints
>> (aside from my lack of experience). But in looking around before
>> the purchase, I found one site that says the Bench Dog ProMax will
>> fit on it. That got me thinking, it would be cool if I could get
>> a solid wing to replace the other side. Preferably something well
>> under the $400ish for the ProMax.
>>
>> (Undecided on whether I *want* the ProMax. When I upgrade the
>> bench-top router table, I'm on the fence between a Norm style station
>> or a table saw type.)
>>
>
> Food for thought, TS extension router tables work best in a larger shop.
> HUH? Do you ever use you TS extension for any thing other than cutting
> wood? I find it to be a nice work surface that for 25 years eliminated
> the need for me to have a work bench of the same size.
> Add a router to your TS extension and you double the chance that you
> will need to keep that area cleared off and have a separate work bench.
>
> YMMV
On 4/10/2012 1:06 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>
> "Mike Marlow"<[email protected]> writes:
>> Drew Lawson wrote:
>>> Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
>>> iron, available?
>>>
>> Google?
> Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more
> reliable than asking people with experience.
>
>
1. When I wanted to extend my table saw, I got a sheet of 3/4" MDF and,
with appropriate bracing, made one myself the exact size I wanted. If
you're any kind of woodworker at all, you might consider a similar solution.
2. How many people do you think you will find here who have experience
in cast iron aftermarket/upgrade tablesaw wings who are going to take
the time to answer you? 2? 5? 10? Is that a large enough sample
size for you to make an intellingent decision? My solution worked great
for me, and may work for you too, but it's nothing like what you asked
about. If I confined my self to your specific question, I wouldn't have
a clue from my personal experience..
3. Most people, when they use a search engine, don't care that it will
display thousands of hits. They know that if they use the right search
query, and the information they seek is available, it will show up in
the first 20 to 100 sites displayed. If the first 4 to 5 pages don't
give you a solution, you are unlikely to find one at all.
Ya, I plan my work so I get all the sawing done, clean the table off,
get the routing done, clean the table off. Sometimes I don't plan as
well and have to re-setup something but that's not a problem. It's not
like I do that every day (or even every week) - I'm a hobbyist and the
space saving is more important. If I was doing this every day and
needed to make really nice stuff for others, I would definitely opt for
the efficiency of seperate units.
John S.
On 04/10/2012 07:27 PM, Leon wrote:
> Nothing wrong with formica wings, I used that for many many years. And
> the router on the left side makes much more sense to me than the right
> side but I find I use both the saw and router table and not wanting to
> disturb settings on either. ;~)
When I got my contractor saw (many moons ago) Delta sent me replacement
stamped steel wings twice and I realized I was never going to get one
that's not twisted or otherwise malformed. I considered plain MDF and
melamine but I wanted durable - like a counter-top to that's why I went
with the laminate wing - it's slick to slide material on and it's tough,
stable stuff.
I also had little routing experience (but enough to know the value of a
table) and didn't feel confident I could make a table as nice as what I
could buy so I got an affordable solution from Woodhaven that's worked
extremely well for me. If you go to woodhaven.com search for TM500.
Mine came with the wood supports and frame and all mounting materials
but it's not clear they include all that now. I don't like the angled
legs though, so I'm going to change those to vertical legs that go
straght to the floor with adjustable feet like what my Biesemeyer table
has. Obviously I never move my saw.
I always thought cast iron would be the cool manly thing to have, but I
honestly can't think of any reason why spending more on cast iron would
be an upgrade over what I have (for the hobbyist) so I'm sticking with
what I have and expect it to last my lifetime.
John S.
On 04/10/2012 05:26 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
> I already have stamped steal extensions. I don't see MDF as an
> improvement....
Ah, always dreaming ahead like me. :^)
Back when I bought my bandsaw, I got what is currently the Powermatic
PWBS-14CS. Not sure what the exact model number was back then, but it
was priced close to an equivalent Jet, except the Powermatic had many
"extras" that easily made it a better value.
Now I see there's a little more difference in price but it's still a
great value for everything you get. The Powermatic is an awesome
machine and maybe even a little more than I need. I still have to try
re-sawing one of these days...
John S.
On 04/11/2012 09:53 AM, Drew Lawson wrote:
> I like cast iron, and I'd like to have the full surface cast iron.
> That said, the upgrade isn't near the top of the spending list.
> I'm hoping this is the year I can afford a band saw, and that is
> far higher on the wish list.
>
> The wings currently on the table are flat, though I need to spend
> more time on getting them aligned right.
>
> But it is nice to know that there are suppliers, so I could do this
> if I decide to.
>
>> On 04/10/2012 05:26 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
>>> I already have stamped steal extensions. I don't see MDF as an
>>> improvement....
>
>
Just stumbled across this, which has a 50 lb. cast iron wing
http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/smarthtml/pages/router_table4.html#cast_iron_exten_anchor
John S.
On 04/10/2012 12:45 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
> Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
> iron, available?
On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 06:45:53 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>I have five at last count, and not one a Festool.
>Contrary to popular belief, we elegantly sip from a small demitasse of
>Festool koolaid ...to supersize, or gulp, would be declasse'. ;)
Truly, I'm shocked. Considering you two meeting for your middle of the
road morning tool tradeoff, I'd have figured there'd be at least one
Festool router in there.
On 4/10/2012 7:32 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> I agree about the do not disturb. Once you have a setup, you don't want
> to change it until you are certain you are done. That's what kept me
> from having one machine handle both needs. Every machine I have not is
> independent for that reason. And also the reason I have 3 routers. Need
> one more though.
I currently have 4, a dedicated router for the router table, a 1617evs
for general routing and a 37 year old B&D dedicated to flush trim
laminate and veneer. Then there is the big Bosch plunge that I cannot
remember the last time I turned it on.
On 4/10/2012 5:50 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Drew Lawson wrote:
>
>>
>> I already have stamped steal extensions. I don't see MDF as an
>> improvement.
>
> It's not much of an improvement from a materials standpoint, but it's what I
> went with also. Someday, I'll probably replace it with a melamine surface
> just because I like that more. The MDF surface has worked for me, so I
> can't express any real problems with it. I have a router mounted under it,
> and it carries the weight just fine. I wanted extensions that went the full
> length of my fence rails, so I was pretty well stuck with building my own.
I have had Formica and melamine, absolutely prefer Formica.
On 4/10/2012 5:26 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>
> Just Wondering<[email protected]> writes:
>> On 4/10/2012 1:06 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
>>> In article<[email protected]>
>>> "Mike Marlow"<[email protected]> writes:
>>>> Drew Lawson wrote:
>>>>> Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
>>>>> iron, available?
>>>>>
>>>> Google?
>>> Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more
>>> reliable than asking people with experience.
>>>
>>>
>> 1. When I wanted to extend my table saw, I got a sheet of 3/4" MDF and,
>> with appropriate bracing, made one myself the exact size I wanted. If
>> you're any kind of woodworker at all, you might consider a similar solution.
>
> I already have stamped steal extensions. I don't see MDF as an
> improvement. As for whether I, today, am any kind of woodworker
> -- I have not asserted that much. I'm a tool buyer who is trying
> to learn.
MDF with Formica is a huge improvement over stamped steel. Much heavier
and flatter. Been there, done that.
I agree about the do not disturb. Once you have a setup, you don't want
to change it until you are certain you are done. That's what kept me
from having one machine handle both needs. Every machine I have not is
independent for that reason. And also the reason I have 3 routers. Need
one more though.
On 4/10/2012 8:27 PM, Leon wrote:
>
> Nothing wrong with formica wings, I used that for many many years. And
> the router on the left side makes much more sense to me than the right
> side but I find I use both the saw and router table and not wanting to
> disturb settings on either. ;~)
Bill wrote:
> Dave wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:53:43 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Drew
>>> I like cast iron, and I'd like to have the full surface cast iron.
>>> That said, the upgrade isn't near the top of the spending list.
>>> I'm hoping this is the year I can afford a band saw, and that is
>>> far higher on the wish list.
>>
>> One thing that I consider detrimental about cast iron is it's weight.
>> Supporting that weight is often a problem and under certain
>> circumstances, that weight tends to affect alignment. Also, it rusts.
>>
>> It sounds a little like your desire for cast iron is more you just
>> being enamored with it than having a real need for it.
>
>> The only
>> practical reasons I can see for cast iron is that it's probably flat
>> and likely to stay that way.
>
> I find that fairly compelling. I'd pay $200-250 for a cast iron top.
> But TS-add ons I see seem to start closer to $300-400 and have
> non-trivial install. And I suspect one still has to buy an appropriate
> router insert.
>
Not quite as compelling as might first appear Bill. All of the alternatives
that have been discussed here provide good flat surfaces, and they stay that
way. As for installation - it's trivial. They just bolt on, no matter what
type you go with. Of course cast iron might require a second set of hands
due to the weight.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:53:43 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Drew
>I like cast iron, and I'd like to have the full surface cast iron.
>That said, the upgrade isn't near the top of the spending list.
>I'm hoping this is the year I can afford a band saw, and that is
>far higher on the wish list.
One thing that I consider detrimental about cast iron is it's weight.
Supporting that weight is often a problem and under certain
circumstances, that weight tends to affect alignment. Also, it rusts.
It sounds a little like your desire for cast iron is more you just
being enamored with it than having a real need for it. The only
practical reasons I can see for cast iron is that it's probably flat
and likely to stay that way. Finally, it's an unyielding solid surface
that you can use to hammer things on.
Drew Lawson wrote:
> Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
> iron, available?
>
Google?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Leon wrote:
>
> I have had Formica and melamine, absolutely prefer Formica.
Why's that Leon? I have no problem going with Formica, but I didn't realize
there would be an advantage to using it over melamine.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Leon wrote:
>
> Tougher material. Contrary to what has been said about melamine I
> have had glue stick to it well enough that the piece of wood that I
> was gluing on top of the TS melamine extension table stuck to it. Removal
> of that piece of wood resulted in the Melamine coming off
> with where the glue squeezed out. And Formica and or a like material
> does not chip around the edges as easily as melamine.
>
> Not saying the glue would not stick to Formica but it is approximately
> 4~5 times thicker than melamine and that would probably be less likely
> to break of chip off. My previous TS had Formica extension wings
> that I built and I never had an issue with it. Can't say the same
> with the melamine extension that came with my Jet TS.
>
>
>
> Basically, it is kinda like deciding which you would prefer when
> buying plywood. One with a thick outer veneer on with a very thin
> outer veneer?
Excellent! Thank you. Like I said - I never realized those differences,
and you've reshaped my thinking on this project whenever I decide to
undertake it.
Drew Lawson wrote:
>
> I already have stamped steal extensions. I don't see MDF as an
> improvement.
It's not much of an improvement from a materials standpoint, but it's what I
went with also. Someday, I'll probably replace it with a melamine surface
just because I like that more. The MDF surface has worked for me, so I
can't express any real problems with it. I have a router mounted under it,
and it carries the weight just fine. I wanted extensions that went the full
length of my fence rails, so I was pretty well stuck with building my own.
> As for whether I, today, am any kind of woodworker
> -- I have not asserted that much. I'm a tool buyer who is trying
> to learn.
>
A tool buyer - now that's a noble pursuit in life! How many tools does a
man need? Just one more...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
John Shear wrote:
> Ya, I plan my work so I get all the sawing done, clean the table off,
> get the routing done, clean the table off. Sometimes I don't plan as
> well and have to re-setup something but that's not a problem. It's
> not like I do that every day (or even every week) - I'm a hobbyist
> and the space saving is more important. If I was doing this every
> day and needed to make really nice stuff for others, I would
> definitely opt for the efficiency of seperate units.
>
That's how I do things as well. Before I built my extension wing with the
router mounted under it, I had a cheap router table that I just screwed to a
pair of sawhorses. That did allow for a production line better than my
current set up, but it was also another thing to deal with in my shop. I
have not really ever felt impacted by doing things this way now, and it's so
much more compact. But like you - I am not a production shop. I do like
that I can just slide my fence over and use it as the router fence. Very
convenient. Lower my router below the deck and I have the entire width of
my extension for use.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Drew Lawson wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> writes:
>> Drew Lawson wrote:
>>> Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
>>> iron, available?
>>>
>>
>> Google?
>
> Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more
> reliable than asking people with experience.
And your original question was... what?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:05:14 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>I currently have 4, a dedicated router for the router table, a 1617evs
>for general routing and a 37 year old B&D dedicated to flush trim
>laminate and veneer. Then there is the big Bosch plunge that I cannot
>remember the last time I turned it on.
What? No Festool routers in there? Shame on you Leon. You can't be a
real Festool owner if you don't own at least one of their routers.
2 x 1617evs one in the table, one that I switch bases on for everything.
And an old Craftsman professional from 1960's 1/4 that I keep a
dedicated 1/8 round over bit in.
See I need one more so that I can have 2 hand helds. I am thinking maybe
2 more now... one full size and one trim router.....hmmmmmm
Just need a job. Now if Only I were a foreigner so someone would
consider me.
On 4/10/2012 10:05 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/10/2012 7:32 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> I agree about the do not disturb. Once you have a setup, you don't want
>> to change it until you are certain you are done. That's what kept me
>> from having one machine handle both needs. Every machine I have not is
>> independent for that reason. And also the reason I have 3 routers. Need
>> one more though.
>
> I currently have 4, a dedicated router for the router table, a 1617evs
> for general routing and a 37 year old B&D dedicated to flush trim
> laminate and veneer. Then there is the big Bosch plunge that I cannot
> remember the last time I turned it on.
>
>
>
>
In article <[email protected]>
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> writes:
>Drew Lawson wrote:
>> Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
>> iron, available?
>>
>
>Google?
Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more
reliable than asking people with experience.
--
Drew Lawson | I'd like to find your inner child
| and kick its little ass
In article <[email protected]>
RonB <[email protected]> writes:
>On Apr 10, 12:45 pm, [email protected] (Drew Lawson) wrote:
>> Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
>> iron, available?
>>
>> A few weeks back, I picked up a R4512, and I have no real complaints
>I don't intend to be a smart-a** but it sounds like your are re-
>thinking your original purchase.
No, but I am a life-long daydreaming window shopper.
If I can swap out the side tables in a year or two, I'd like to
know it is possible. If it is possible, but $400 per side, I have
better ways to spend the money, but I'd still like to know.
I've been browsing all sorts of accessories (shop made and commercial)
that I have no current need for, but I like knowing what the possible
range of use is. This is the first saw I've had that is anywhere
near standard size and detail, so some things have been pointless
to look at before.
> As I recall your saw is in the $500
>range and, in the stores, it looks like a pretty nice machine. But if
>you start adding a $400 router table wing and cast iron on the other
>side you are getting into the range of some 3hp cabinet saws or 2hp
>hybrids.
A few weeks has shown that I hardly have room for this saw. Any
more saw would be a problem. Any saw requiring 220 would be a dust
collector for at least a few years to come (until a major garage
reworking).
>Here is a cheaper cast router table wing if it will fit.
>Also a Hybrid and another saw that if fitted with the wing would be a
>pretty good upgrade for a little more money. I have a Grizzly 1023S
>that is fitted with a shop made router table extension and fence that
>was largely made from scrap. it is as good and as versatile as some
>of the expensive ones. The extension table is within the length of
>the saws rails.
No shop-made table from my shop will satisfy the cast iron fetish.
>http://www.grizzly.com/products/Router-Extension-Table-for-Table-Saw/H7507
>http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-3-HP-220V-Cabinet-Left-Tilting-Table-Saw/G1023RL
>http://www.grizzly.com/search/search.aspx?q=table%20saw&cachebuster=2412836803658641
--
Drew Lawson | Though it's just a memory,
| some memories last forever
In article <[email protected]>
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> writes:
>Drew Lawson wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>
>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> writes:
>>> Drew Lawson wrote:
>>>> Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
>>>> iron, available?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Google?
>>
>> Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more
>> reliable than asking people with experience.
>
>And your original question was... what?
Quoted above.
Googling on: aftermarket table saw wings
brings an estimated 293,000 results.
The first page has a couple discussion pages where someone got wings
from somewhere. Vendors aren't referenced and the threads are over
a year old. The rest of the first page are vendor pages for people
who sell "aftermarket foo" mention "table saw" somewhere under
another product.
At this point I know that aftermarket router tables that replace
one wing exist. That gives me hope that cast iron wings the same
size are available, but I don't know. I'm a new player in this
market space. Many posters here are esperienced players there.
So I asked.
There, I've clarified my question.
Exactly what did your response contain?
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In article <[email protected]>
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> writes:
>Drew Lawson wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>
>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> writes:
>>> Drew Lawson wrote:
>>>> In article <[email protected]>
>>>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>> Drew Lawson wrote:
>>>>>> Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
>>>>>> iron, available?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Google?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more
>>>> reliable than asking people with experience.
>>>
>>> And your original question was... what?
>>
>> Quoted above.
>>
>> Googling on: aftermarket table saw wings
>> brings an estimated 293,000 results.
>
>Did you read any of those 293,000 results? The first page of results
>contained an Amazon link to a cast iron router mount table saw wing. Not
>sure if it's exactly what you're looking for, but it's there.
I scanned the page and loaded a half dozen of the hits.
I missed that one. Thank you for pointing it out. That would have
been useful. Without it, you post was easily read as "don't bother
us with any questions."
BTW, you do know that Google results aren't the same for everyone,
right? They are cleaver in customizing results based on search
history. The results can also differ by region.
>> The first page has a couple discussion pages where someone got wings
>> from somewhere. Vendors aren't referenced and the threads are over
>> a year old. The rest of the first page are vendor pages for people
>> who sell "aftermarket foo" mention "table saw" somewhere under
>> another product.
>
>Don't have any idea what you are saying with aftermarket foo. Most wings
>are aftermarket - especially if they contain a router mount.
I thought the question was clearly asked by someone unfamiliar with
the tablesaw market. How would I already know what is common
practice?
As for the above, searching on:
aftermarket table saw wings
will find pages with those words, but they may not be in the same
part of the page. One of the pages sold aftermarket fences and
table saw jigs, for example.
>>
>> At this point I know that aftermarket router tables that replace
>> one wing exist. That gives me hope that cast iron wings the same
>> size are available, but I don't know. I'm a new player in this
>> market space. Many posters here are esperienced players there.
>> So I asked.
>
>Don't know if the sizes I quickly found would satisfy your desire - I only
>did a quick google search and only spend a few seconds looking at the
>results. A more specific search would probably yield results closer to what
>you may be looking for.
I'll take that one as a starting point.
As I've said a few times (as in the original question), I had no
idea whether there were suppliers of such things. You can waste a
lot of time searching for someone who sells something that doesn't
exist.
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In article <[email protected]>
Just Wondering <[email protected]> writes:
>On 4/10/2012 1:06 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>
>> "Mike Marlow"<[email protected]> writes:
>>> Drew Lawson wrote:
>>>> Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
>>>> iron, available?
>>>>
>>> Google?
>> Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more
>> reliable than asking people with experience.
>>
>>
>1. When I wanted to extend my table saw, I got a sheet of 3/4" MDF and,
>with appropriate bracing, made one myself the exact size I wanted. If
>you're any kind of woodworker at all, you might consider a similar solution.
I already have stamped steal extensions. I don't see MDF as an
improvement. As for whether I, today, am any kind of woodworker
-- I have not asserted that much. I'm a tool buyer who is trying
to learn.
>2. How many people do you think you will find here who have experience
>in cast iron aftermarket/upgrade tablesaw wings who are going to take
>the time to answer you? 2? 5? 10? Is that a large enough sample
>size for you to make an intellingent decision?
It depends on the posters. I've been reading here for years. I
have a pretty good idea who is full of wind, who is helpful and who
is an asshole but reliable when he finally answers.
And any single "Yes, CompanyName sells those" would be all it takes
on the "yes" side.
>My solution worked great
>for me, and may work for you too, but it's nothing like what you asked
>about. If I confined my self to your specific question, I wouldn't have
>a clue from my personal experience..
I appreciate that intent.
But for a specific, "Does anyone sell this sort if stuff?" I see
"No, there is no market" or "Some do, but I can't say who" to be
helpful.
>3. Most people, when they use a search engine, don't care that it will
>display thousands of hits. They know that if they use the right search
>query, and the information they seek is available, it will show up in
>the first 20 to 100 sites displayed. If the first 4 to 5 pages don't
>give you a solution, you are unlikely to find one at all.
I figured this was a question more focussed on woodworking and
woodworking tools than MBAs or socialism so I thought I'd give it
a shot. If no one answered, I'd figure I was looking for something
no one had interest in.
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| This old house would have burnt down
| a long time ago
In article <[email protected]>
John Shear <[email protected]> writes:
>
>I always thought cast iron would be the cool manly thing to have, but I
>honestly can't think of any reason why spending more on cast iron would
>be an upgrade over what I have (for the hobbyist) so I'm sticking with
>what I have and expect it to last my lifetime.
I like cast iron, and I'd like to have the full surface cast iron.
That said, the upgrade isn't near the top of the spending list.
I'm hoping this is the year I can afford a band saw, and that is
far higher on the wish list.
The wings currently on the table are flat, though I need to spend
more time on getting them aligned right.
But it is nice to know that there are suppliers, so I could do this
if I decide to.
>On 04/10/2012 05:26 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
>> I already have stamped steal extensions. I don't see MDF as an
>> improvement....
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In article <[email protected]>
John Shear <[email protected]> writes:
>Ah, always dreaming ahead like me. :^)
>Back when I bought my bandsaw, I got what is currently the Powermatic
>PWBS-14CS. Not sure what the exact model number was back then, but it
>was priced close to an equivalent Jet, except the Powermatic had many
>"extras" that easily made it a better value.
>Now I see there's a little more difference in price but it's still a
>great value for everything you get. The Powermatic is an awesome
>machine and maybe even a little more than I need. I still have to try
>re-sawing one of these days...
That is one that has my attention.
I've been focused on the Rikon 10-325 for a while. That was a
combination of price and cutting height. But over time, the price
difference between that and the Powermatic with riser block has
shrunk.
Roughing turning bowl blanks is the justification for a band saw.
But once I have it, I'm sure I'll try some resawing.
>John S.
>
>On 04/11/2012 09:53 AM, Drew Lawson wrote:
>> I like cast iron, and I'd like to have the full surface cast iron.
>> That said, the upgrade isn't near the top of the spending list.
>> I'm hoping this is the year I can afford a band saw, and that is
>> far higher on the wish list.
>>
>> The wings currently on the table are flat, though I need to spend
>> more time on getting them aligned right.
>>
>> But it is nice to know that there are suppliers, so I could do this
>> if I decide to.
>>
>>> On 04/10/2012 05:26 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
>>>> I already have stamped steal extensions. I don't see MDF as an
>>>> improvement....
>>
>>
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Dave wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:53:43 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Drew
>> I like cast iron, and I'd like to have the full surface cast iron.
>> That said, the upgrade isn't near the top of the spending list.
>> I'm hoping this is the year I can afford a band saw, and that is
>> far higher on the wish list.
>
> One thing that I consider detrimental about cast iron is it's weight.
> Supporting that weight is often a problem and under certain
> circumstances, that weight tends to affect alignment. Also, it rusts.
>
> It sounds a little like your desire for cast iron is more you just
> being enamored with it than having a real need for it.
> The only
> practical reasons I can see for cast iron is that it's probably flat
> and likely to stay that way.
I find that fairly compelling. I'd pay $200-250 for a cast iron top.
But TS-add ons I see seem to start closer to $300-400 and have
non-trivial install. And I suspect one still has to buy an appropriate
router insert.
> Finally, it's an unyielding solid surface
> that you can use to hammer things on.
In article <[email protected]>
Dave <[email protected]> writes:
>On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:53:43 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Drew
>>I like cast iron, and I'd like to have the full surface cast iron.
>>That said, the upgrade isn't near the top of the spending list.
>>I'm hoping this is the year I can afford a band saw, and that is
>>far higher on the wish list.
>
>One thing that I consider detrimental about cast iron is it's weight.
>Supporting that weight is often a problem and under certain
>circumstances, that weight tends to affect alignment. Also, it rusts.
>
>It sounds a little like your desire for cast iron is more you just
>being enamored with it than having a real need for it. The only
>practical reasons I can see for cast iron is that it's probably flat
>and likely to stay that way. Finally, it's an unyielding solid surface
>that you can use to hammer things on.
I like cast iron because it is, within my conditions and lifetime,
unchanging. If it is flat when I get it, it will still be flat the
day I die. (All assuming I take enough care to prevent rust.)
And, once things are assembled and upright, I consider the weight
to be a major benefit. Turning the saw upright was a pain in several
body parts, but I only have to do that once. After that, it is all
inertia to resist vibration.
Do I *need* the wings to be cast iron? Certainly not. If I
absolutely needed that, I'd have held out until I could afford a
saw in the next price step. But I'm a hobbiest. I don't really
need a table saw. It's a really cool toy. I make my living in a
cubical.
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Mike Marlow wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> Dave wrote:
>>> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:53:43 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Drew
>>>> I like cast iron, and I'd like to have the full surface cast iron.
>>>> That said, the upgrade isn't near the top of the spending list.
>>>> I'm hoping this is the year I can afford a band saw, and that is
>>>> far higher on the wish list.
>>>
>>> One thing that I consider detrimental about cast iron is it's weight.
>>> Supporting that weight is often a problem and under certain
>>> circumstances, that weight tends to affect alignment. Also, it rusts.
>>>
>>> It sounds a little like your desire for cast iron is more you just
>>> being enamored with it than having a real need for it.
>>
>>> The only
>>> practical reasons I can see for cast iron is that it's probably flat
>>> and likely to stay that way.
>>
>> I find that fairly compelling. I'd pay $200-250 for a cast iron top.
>> But TS-add ons I see seem to start closer to $300-400 and have
>> non-trivial install. And I suspect one still has to buy an appropriate
>> router insert.
>>
>
> Not quite as compelling as might first appear Bill. All of the alternatives
> that have been discussed here provide good flat surfaces, and they stay that
> way. As for installation - it's trivial. They just bolt on, no matter what
> type you go with. Of course cast iron might require a second set of hands
> due to the weight.
>
Mike, My comment relied completely on what Grizzly has on their web
site. Below is what Grizzly says about their router table wing (Model
#:T10222):
NOTICE: Installation usually requires permanent modification to your
table saw or its parts. This modification may include cutting, grinding,
drilling, and tapping threads in metal surfaces. Please read the Owner's
Manual available online.
On 4/11/2012 9:26 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>
>>
>> Tougher material. Contrary to what has been said about melamine I
>> have had glue stick to it well enough that the piece of wood that I
>> was gluing on top of the TS melamine extension table stuck to it. Removal
>> of that piece of wood resulted in the Melamine coming off
>> with where the glue squeezed out. And Formica and or a like material
>> does not chip around the edges as easily as melamine.
>>
>> Not saying the glue would not stick to Formica but it is approximately
>> 4~5 times thicker than melamine and that would probably be less likely
>> to break of chip off. My previous TS had Formica extension wings
>> that I built and I never had an issue with it. Can't say the same
>> with the melamine extension that came with my Jet TS.
>>
>>
>>
>> Basically, it is kinda like deciding which you would prefer when
>> buying plywood. One with a thick outer veneer on with a very thin
>> outer veneer?
>
> Excellent! Thank you. Like I said - I never realized those differences,
> and you've reshaped my thinking on this project whenever I decide to
> undertake it.
>
>
Consider doing this if you decide to to with a material like Formica.
My hard wood supplier is a Wilson Art dealer. He will sell me damaged
sheets for pennies on the dollar.
ALSO most plastic laminates come in different thicknesses. Back splash
thickness is typically thinner. Ask for the counter top thickness.
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:06:14 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
>Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more
>reliable than asking people with experience.
Hey. If you've got the time to read answers here, then you've got the
time to read several thousand of this Google search results.
Maybe you need to narrow your search pattern a little more. Try
combining words separated by plus signs and surrounded by exclamation
marks. You *can* get very specific with Google searches.
On 4/11/2012 6:30 AM, Dave wrote:
>> I currently have 4, a dedicated router for the router table, a 1617evs
>> >for general routing and a 37 year old B&D dedicated to flush trim
>> >laminate and veneer. Then there is the big Bosch plunge that I cannot
>> >remember the last time I turned it on.
> What? No Festool routers in there? Shame on you Leon. You can't be a
> real Festool owner if you don't own at least one of their routers.
I have five at last count, and not one a Festool.
Contrary to popular belief, we elegantly sip from a small demitasse of
Festool koolaid ...to supersize, or gulp, would be declasse'. ;)
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:15:54 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Drew Lawson wrote:
>> Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
>> iron, available?
>>
>
>Google?
www.grizzly.com has 'em for Griz saurs. With a little ingenuity, they
might be made to fit other saur brands, too.
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:11:38 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>I find that fairly compelling. I'd pay $200-250 for a cast iron top.
>But TS-add ons I see seem to start closer to $300-400 and have
>non-trivial install. And I suspect one still has to buy an appropriate
>router insert.
The router insert is open to discussion. On my cast iron contractor's
table saw wing, I used a cut off wheel in a grinder to cut away the
enough of the ribs underneath. Then used a hack saw to cut a round
circle for my Makita 3612br router, which I bolted directly to the
wing. This was some 35 years ago. Took me about three hours to do the
entire job.
If it had been an insert, I suspect the process would have been much
easier. Hacksaw to cut a square plate out and bolted on retention
supports to stop the insert from falling through.
To be honest though, considering the weight of the cast iron wing and
the added weight of the router, I'd go with a melamine wing these
days. Easier, faster, cheaper. Can't beat those three reasons.
On 4/10/2012 2:33 PM, John Shear wrote:
> I have a small basement shop and classify myself as a hobbyist. I wanted
> a wider left-wing on my contractor saw so I added a Woodhaven router
> table as the left wing. Great support for sawing larger materials and I
> don't need to have a seperate router table taking up space. Ya, the
> router table takes up the space, but I wanted the wider left-wing anyway
> so I got 2-in-1.
> I'm just fine with laminate (Formica) covered wood as my wings. It's
> stable and strong. My 40" Biesemeyer table is laminate-covered and I
> never had a desire for cast iron.
Nothing wrong with formica wings, I used that for many many years. And
the router on the left side makes much more sense to me than the right
side but I find I use both the saw and router table and not wanting to
disturb settings on either. ;~)
>
On 4/10/2012 12:45 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
> Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
> iron, available?
>
> A few weeks back, I picked up a R4512, and I have no real complaints
> (aside from my lack of experience). But in looking around before
> the purchase, I found one site that says the Bench Dog ProMax will
> fit on it. That got me thinking, it would be cool if I could get
> a solid wing to replace the other side. Preferably something well
> under the $400ish for the ProMax.
>
> (Undecided on whether I *want* the ProMax. When I upgrade the
> bench-top router table, I'm on the fence between a Norm style station
> or a table saw type.)
>
Food for thought, TS extension router tables work best in a larger
shop. HUH? Do you ever use you TS extension for any thing other than
cutting wood? I find it to be a nice work surface that for 25 years
eliminated the need for me to have a work bench of the same size.
Add a router to your TS extension and you double the chance that you
will need to keep that area cleared off and have a separate work bench.
YMMV
On 4/10/2012 10:08 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>
>>
>> I have had Formica and melamine, absolutely prefer Formica.
>
> Why's that Leon? I have no problem going with Formica, but I didn't realize
> there would be an advantage to using it over melamine.
>
Tougher material. Contrary to what has been said about melamine I have
had glue stick to it well enough that the piece of wood that I was
gluing on top of the TS melamine extension table stuck to it. Removal
of that piece of wood resulted in the Melamine coming off with where the
glue squeezed out. And Formica and or a like material does not chip
around the edges as easily as melamine.
Not saying the glue would not stick to Formica but it is approximately
4~5 times thicker than melamine and that would probably be less likely
to break of chip off. My previous TS had Formica extension wings that I
built and I never had an issue with it. Can't say the same with the
melamine extension that came with my Jet TS.
Basically, it is kinda like deciding which you would prefer when buying
plywood. One with a thick outer veneer on with a very thin outer veneer?
On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:26:15 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Leon wrote:
>
>>
>> Tougher material. Contrary to what has been said about melamine I
>> have had glue stick to it well enough that the piece of wood that I
>> was gluing on top of the TS melamine extension table stuck to it. Removal
>> of that piece of wood resulted in the Melamine coming off
>> with where the glue squeezed out. And Formica and or a like material
>> does not chip around the edges as easily as melamine.
>>
>> Not saying the glue would not stick to Formica but it is approximately
>> 4~5 times thicker than melamine and that would probably be less likely
>> to break of chip off. My previous TS had Formica extension wings
>> that I built and I never had an issue with it. Can't say the same
>> with the melamine extension that came with my Jet TS.
Melamine is extremely chippy, comparatively. One of my first tests of
the Makita will be to rip some dual melamine MDF for shelving. The
replacement track shipped today (not last Friday as I'd been led to
believe. Grrr!)
>> Basically, it is kinda like deciding which you would prefer when
>> buying plywood. One with a thick outer veneer on with a very thin
>> outer veneer?
>
>Excellent! Thank you. Like I said - I never realized those differences,
>and you've reshaped my thinking on this project whenever I decide to
>undertake it.
Thin veneer is fine for paint <gd&r> but is unrealistic for
clearcoating, especially if the project is to be REfinished some day.
Thick (+ clearcoat) always gets my nod here.
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wherever he may be placed, the man who thinks becomes a light and a power.
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:45:39 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Drew
Lawson) wrote:
>Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
>iron, available?
[...snip...]
I doubt there are aftermarket cast iron wings sold; saws vary as to
the dimension of the top.
What might work is to get some as replacement parts from a
manufacturer. If you can find a model of saw with the right wing
dimensions to work with your saw, perhaps you could order those. My
guess is the main dimension to worry about is front to back depth.
The way the ones on my saw work, there are two or three bolts that goe
through holes in the wing into mating threaded holes on my central
top. If your table has such an arrangement, and you had a suitable
sized wing but the mounting holes don't line up, you could drill new
ones. I'd guess you want slightly oversized holes to allow
adjustments.
That's why I like the MDF surface. Hit it with WAXED shellac, and a coat
of wax after sanding down and it won't stick.
But in general I would have gone for a formica extension. My outfeed
table is mdf.
I like the wood or steel , I can drill through if I need to mount a
unique jig. Like a cove jig or something.
On 4/11/2012 7:57 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/10/2012 10:08 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have had Formica and melamine, absolutely prefer Formica.
>>
>> Why's that Leon? I have no problem going with Formica, but I didn't
>> realize
>> there would be an advantage to using it over melamine.
>>
>
> Tougher material. Contrary to what has been said about melamine I have
> had glue stick to it well enough that the piece of wood that I was
> gluing on top of the TS melamine extension table stuck to it. Removal of
> that piece of wood resulted in the Melamine coming off with where the
> glue squeezed out. And Formica and or a like material does not chip
> around the edges as easily as melamine.
>
> Not saying the glue would not stick to Formica but it is approximately
> 4~5 times thicker than melamine and that would probably be less likely
> to break of chip off. My previous TS had Formica extension wings that I
> built and I never had an issue with it. Can't say the same with the
> melamine extension that came with my Jet TS.
>
>
>
> Basically, it is kinda like deciding which you would prefer when buying
> plywood. One with a thick outer veneer on with a very thin outer veneer?