I was carrying a bunch of things, and my laptop (which was open)
Started losing it's balance, and went soaring.. Crashed, totalled.
Now on my wife's computer.
So here's my track record.
Makita LS1013 trashed garbage
Asus K55 I5 trashed garbage. Hopefully the disk is good because it
won't recognize it right now.
--
Jeff
On 19 May 2014 04:54:11 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 5/18/2014 11:29 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>> On 5/18/2014 11:05 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>>>> woodchucker<[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IBM doesn't make laptops anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> They sold to Lenovo. My son has one and has had to replace the
>>>>> drive 3 times and had another issue... don't know what it was.
>>>>> Lenovo is not what IBM was. Not as good QC as IBM had.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also $$$ for very little power.
>>>>
>>>> *snip*
>>>>
>>>> Is he using one of the Thinkpad line or one of the others?
>>>>
>>>> Puckdropper
>>>
>>> Thinkpad.
>>>
>> BTW he liked it, but it did have issues.
>>
>>
>
>I do like mine, one of the best laptops I've ever had. The battery is
>dieing, so I usually take that as a hint that it's time to look at
>upgrading. Knowing that other Thinkpads have had problems just adds
>another point in the argument to buy another battery rather than a new
>system.
Just after that (replaced the battery) was when the fan died in my
previous ThinkPad. It was never the same. It must have severely
overheated before I noticed. The newer ThinkPads have much longer
battery life than the older systems.
On Sun, 18 May 2014 20:09:20 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
>They sold to Lenovo. My son has one and has had to replace the drive 3
>times and had another issue... don't know what it was.
>Lenovo is not what IBM was. Not as good QC as IBM had.
Their headquarters is in Beijing, China. That about says it all. I
worked technical support for Thinkpad/IBM 1997-1999. Quality control
was pretty substantial then. Thinkpads were built pretty tough. One
reason why I think QC was better then was because of the amount of
metal that went into their construction. They cost more to build.
These days, everything is plastic and the quality control has slipped
along with the build quality.
woodchucker wrote:
> I was carrying a bunch of things, and my laptop (which was open)
>
> Started losing it's balance, and went soaring.. Crashed, totalled.
>
> Now on my wife's computer.
>
> So here's my track record.
>
> Makita LS1013 trashed garbage
> Asus K55 I5 trashed garbage. Hopefully the disk is good because it
> won't recognize it right now.
---------------------------------------------
And your wife will let you anywhere near her puter?
Lew
<[email protected]> wrote:
> When you replace it, look for a Panasonic Toughbook. Some versions
> are made for the military and if you can find an equivalent
> commercial
> version you'll have an *almost* unbreakable computer.
------------------------------------------------
SFWIW, was talking to a guy who runs his business from a laptop.
His suggestion:
A rebuild of the IBM unit from the Chinese and lots of AAA
bateries for the mice and keyboards.
Lew
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>>SFWIW, was talking to a guy who runs his business from a laptop.
>>
>>His suggestion:
>>
>>A rebuild of the IBM unit from the Chinese and lots of AAA
>>bateries for the mice and keyboards.
---------------------------------------------------
<[email protected]> wrote:
> The local LEOs .... ???
Lew
woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> IBM doesn't make laptops anymore.
>
> They sold to Lenovo. My son has one and has had to replace the drive 3
> times and had another issue... don't know what it was.
> Lenovo is not what IBM was. Not as good QC as IBM had.
>
> Also $$$ for very little power.
*snip*
Is he using one of the Thinkpad line or one of the others?
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 5/18/2014 11:29 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>> On 5/18/2014 11:05 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>>> woodchucker<[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> IBM doesn't make laptops anymore.
>>>>
>>>> They sold to Lenovo. My son has one and has had to replace the
>>>> drive 3 times and had another issue... don't know what it was.
>>>> Lenovo is not what IBM was. Not as good QC as IBM had.
>>>>
>>>> Also $$$ for very little power.
>>>
>>> *snip*
>>>
>>> Is he using one of the Thinkpad line or one of the others?
>>>
>>> Puckdropper
>>
>> Thinkpad.
>>
> BTW he liked it, but it did have issues.
>
>
I do like mine, one of the best laptops I've ever had. The battery is
dieing, so I usually take that as a hint that it's time to look at
upgrading. Knowing that other Thinkpads have had problems just adds
another point in the argument to buy another battery rather than a new
system.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
On Sun, 18 May 2014 15:02:33 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I was carrying a bunch of things, and my laptop (which was open)
>
>Started losing it's balance, and went soaring.. Crashed, totalled.
>
>Now on my wife's computer.
>
>So here's my track record.
>
>Makita LS1013 trashed garbage
>Asus K55 I5 trashed garbage. Hopefully the disk is good because it
>won't recognize it right now.
When you replace it, look for a Panasonic Toughbook. Some versions
are made for the military and if you can find an equivalent commercial
version you'll have an *almost* unbreakable computer.
Not cheap, even used, but less total investment than buying multiples
of some other brand.
I put a solid state drive (SSD) in my older Dell laptop and bought an
equivalent unit with power problems on ebay for $35. That's pretty
cheap if I ever need a new screen...
woodchucker wrote:
> I was carrying a bunch of things, and my laptop (which was open)
>
> Started losing it's balance, and went soaring.. Crashed, totalled.
>
> Now on my wife's computer.
>
> So here's my track record.
>
> Makita LS1013 trashed garbage
> Asus K55 I5 trashed garbage. Hopefully the disk is good because it
> won't recognize it right now.
>
>
Last one I destroyed I had taken it into the kitchen to charge and was
bringing it back with the charger in my left hand and holding the
computer with both hands. The charger cord hooked on a drawer knob
jerking that hand and I dropped the computer. Didn't hurt the charger.
Sorry for your loss.
--
GW Ross
Ignorance can be cured -- but stupid
is forever.
On 5/18/2014 4:37 PM, Morgans wrote:
>
>
> "woodchucker" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> I was carrying a bunch of things, and my laptop (which was open)
>>
>> Started losing it's balance, and went soaring.. Crashed, totalled.
> Question is, why was it open. Let me guess... You did not want to have
> to wake it up or reboot once you got to where you were going with it.
>
> Do yourself a favor and set it up so that closing the lid does not put
> it to sleep or turn off the display for 3 minutes or 5 minutes, or
> something like that. It might have survived a drop if it had been closed.
Kind of like that. But this laptop has instant on. When it sleeps it
comes right back up... maybe 1 second.
An ASUS feature.
--
Jeff
On 5/18/2014 4:37 PM, Morgans wrote:
>
>
> "woodchucker" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> I was carrying a bunch of things, and my laptop (which was open)
>>
>> Started losing it's balance, and went soaring.. Crashed, totalled.
> Question is, why was it open. Let me guess... You did not want to have
> to wake it up or reboot once you got to where you were going with it.
>
> Do yourself a favor and set it up so that closing the lid does not put
> it to sleep or turn off the display for 3 minutes or 5 minutes, or
> something like that. It might have survived a drop if it had been closed.
Yea, that's the last time I move it without closing it.
I learned my lesson... an expensive one.
Strike two... One more and I am OUT... someone will have to put me down.
--
Jeff
On 5/18/2014 3:59 PM, G. Ross wrote:
> woodchucker wrote:
>> I was carrying a bunch of things, and my laptop (which was open)
>>
>> Started losing it's balance, and went soaring.. Crashed, totalled.
>>
>> Now on my wife's computer.
>>
>> So here's my track record.
>>
>> Makita LS1013 trashed garbage
>> Asus K55 I5 trashed garbage. Hopefully the disk is good because it
>> won't recognize it right now.
>>
>>
> Last one I destroyed I had taken it into the kitchen to charge and was
> bringing it back with the charger in my left hand and holding the
> computer with both hands. The charger cord hooked on a drawer knob
> jerking that hand and I dropped the computer. Didn't hurt the charger.
>
> Sorry for your loss.
>
Thanks,
That's how I lost my Sliding compound miter saw.... the cord hooked
something and I started to fall down the stairs, and the thing went, and
I grabbed the handrail... That was about 2 years ago.
Now I have a freaking history... :-(
--
Jeff
On Sun, 18 May 2014 21:17:06 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
>I think QC is where the Chinese are seriously lacking. Build it get it
>out the door, when they catch up on that it will be hard to compete
>against them.
The reason why they can compete is the fact that they sell cheaper.
Selling cheaper and selling better as in the extra cost of improved
quality control is an oxymoron as far as Chinese construction goes, at
least as far as I can see it.
On 5/18/2014 7:30 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> When you replace it, look for a Panasonic Toughbook. Some versions
>> are made for the military and if you can find an equivalent
>> commercial
>> version you'll have an *almost* unbreakable computer.
> ------------------------------------------------
> SFWIW, was talking to a guy who runs his business from a laptop.
>
> His suggestion:
>
> A rebuild of the IBM unit from the Chinese and lots of AAA
> bateries for the mice and keyboards.
>
> Lew
>
>
>
>
IBM doesn't make laptops anymore.
They sold to Lenovo. My son has one and has had to replace the drive 3
times and had another issue... don't know what it was.
Lenovo is not what IBM was. Not as good QC as IBM had.
Also $$$ for very little power.
I'll do another ASUS, used to hate their motherboards as I had problems
with them when I built systems. They had a bug that they never fixed
with a bios upgrade... Someone eventually did a class action lawsuit...
by the time I got fed up enough and built a new unit.
But now ASUS is the standard.
And their laptops are very good. My only wish was a lighted keyboard or
light from the screen. Sometimes I can't find the keys in the dark...
but I just deal with it.
--
Jeff
On 5/18/2014 11:29 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 5/18/2014 11:05 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>> woodchucker<[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>>
>>> IBM doesn't make laptops anymore.
>>>
>>> They sold to Lenovo. My son has one and has had to replace the drive 3
>>> times and had another issue... don't know what it was.
>>> Lenovo is not what IBM was. Not as good QC as IBM had.
>>>
>>> Also $$$ for very little power.
>>
>> *snip*
>>
>> Is he using one of the Thinkpad line or one of the others?
>>
>> Puckdropper
>
> Thinkpad.
>
BTW he liked it, but it did have issues.
--
Jeff
On 5/18/2014 11:05 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> woodchucker<[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> IBM doesn't make laptops anymore.
>>
>> They sold to Lenovo. My son has one and has had to replace the drive 3
>> times and had another issue... don't know what it was.
>> Lenovo is not what IBM was. Not as good QC as IBM had.
>>
>> Also $$$ for very little power.
>
> *snip*
>
> Is he using one of the Thinkpad line or one of the others?
>
> Puckdropper
Thinkpad.
--
Jeff
On Sun, 18 May 2014 19:07:02 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 5/18/2014 4:37 PM, Morgans wrote:
>>
>>
>> "woodchucker" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>>> I was carrying a bunch of things, and my laptop (which was open)
>>>
>>> Started losing it's balance, and went soaring.. Crashed, totalled.
>> Question is, why was it open. Let me guess... You did not want to have
>> to wake it up or reboot once you got to where you were going with it.
>>
>> Do yourself a favor and set it up so that closing the lid does not put
>> it to sleep or turn off the display for 3 minutes or 5 minutes, or
>> something like that. It might have survived a drop if it had been closed.
>
>Kind of like that. But this laptop has instant on. When it sleeps it
>comes right back up... maybe 1 second.
>An ASUS feature.
Does it reconnect to the WiFi immediately? That's the problem with
mine. It comes out of sleep in a couple of seconds but then it'll
take a minute to find the WiFi again.
On 5/18/2014 8:35 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2014 20:09:20 -0400, woodchucker<[email protected]>
>> They sold to Lenovo. My son has one and has had to replace the drive 3
>> times and had another issue... don't know what it was.
>> Lenovo is not what IBM was. Not as good QC as IBM had.
>
> Their headquarters is in Beijing, China. That about says it all. I
> worked technical support for Thinkpad/IBM 1997-1999. Quality control
> was pretty substantial then. Thinkpads were built pretty tough. One
> reason why I think QC was better then was because of the amount of
> metal that went into their construction. They cost more to build.
> These days, everything is plastic and the quality control has slipped
> along with the build quality.
You have to remmeber that the weight has substantially dropped too.
So it's a good thing. They are also quieter and cooler, thanks to new
cooling and chip design.
I think QC is where the Chineese are seriously lacking. Build it get it
out the door, when they catch up on that it will be hard to compete
against them.
--
Jeff
On 5/18/2014 9:06 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>
>>> SFWIW, was talking to a guy who runs his business from a laptop.
>>>
>>> His suggestion:
>>>
>>> A rebuild of the IBM unit from the Chinese and lots of AAA
>>> bateries for the mice and keyboards.
> ---------------------------------------------------
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The local LEOs .... ???
>
> Lew
>
>
Law Enforcement officers.
--
Jeff
On 5/18/2014 8:59 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2014 20:09:20 -0400, woodchucker<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/18/2014 7:30 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> When you replace it, look for a Panasonic Toughbook. Some versions
>>>> are made for the military and if you can find an equivalent
>>>> commercial
>>>> version you'll have an *almost* unbreakable computer.
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>> SFWIW, was talking to a guy who runs his business from a laptop.
>>>
>>> His suggestion:
>>>
>>> A rebuild of the IBM unit from the Chinese and lots of AAA
>>> bateries for the mice and keyboards.
>>>
>>> Lew
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> IBM doesn't make laptops anymore.
>>
>> They sold to Lenovo. My son has one and has had to replace the drive 3
>> times and had another issue... don't know what it was.
>> Lenovo is not what IBM was. Not as good QC as IBM had.
>
> I have had IBM, now Lenovo, Thinkpads for years. I prefer them for
> several reasons, including a fairly significant retiree discount
> (though I get a Dell discount through my current employer). I had
> problems with the disk on one but it was always at my brother's place,
> so it may have been the 12h trip in the car that did it in. Note that
> none of the computer manufacturers make their own disk drives. They're
> all coming from the same two or three manufacturers.
>
>> Also $$$ for very little power.
>
> Disagree. Again, they all use the same parts.
For the same chip and chipset, Lenovo is way higher $$
Asus way lower $$
So you can buy more power for less.
>
>> I'll do another ASUS, used to hate their motherboards as I had problems
>> with them when I built systems. They had a bug that they never fixed
>> with a bios upgrade... Someone eventually did a class action lawsuit...
>> by the time I got fed up enough and built a new unit.
>>
>> But now ASUS is the standard.
>
> My current laptop is a "convertible" tablet PC but its screen is too
> small (and low res) for some uses (CAD) and it's much too heavy to use
> as a tablet (3lbs.). It is nice to read when used as a *lap* top,
> though. The touch screen is really nice. Not sure I'd do it again.
> The M$ Surface looks promising, though. Light, both a laptop and
> tablet, and really good on trips.
>
>> And their laptops are very good. My only wish was a lighted keyboard or
>> light from the screen. Sometimes I can't find the keys in the dark...
>> but I just deal with it.
>
> My laptop has lighted keys. After having it on this computer, it's a
> requirement.
>
> I have an ASUS netbook. Pure junk, though I understand that ASUS has
> much better. I used to use nothing other than ASUS motherboards on
> desktop systems.
--
Jeff
On 5/18/2014 8:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2014 19:07:02 -0400, woodchucker<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/18/2014 4:37 PM, Morgans wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "woodchucker"<[email protected]> wrote
>>>
>>>> I was carrying a bunch of things, and my laptop (which was open)
>>>>
>>>> Started losing it's balance, and went soaring.. Crashed, totalled.
>>> Question is, why was it open. Let me guess... You did not want to have
>>> to wake it up or reboot once you got to where you were going with it.
>>>
>>> Do yourself a favor and set it up so that closing the lid does not put
>>> it to sleep or turn off the display for 3 minutes or 5 minutes, or
>>> something like that. It might have survived a drop if it had been closed.
>>
>> Kind of like that. But this laptop has instant on. When it sleeps it
>> comes right back up... maybe 1 second.
>> An ASUS feature.
>
> Does it reconnect to the WiFi immediately? That's the problem with
> mine. It comes out of sleep in a couple of seconds but then it'll
> take a minute to find the WiFi again.
Sometimes it's about 30 seconds behind, sometimes immediate.
--
Jeff
woodchucker wrote:
> I was carrying a bunch of things, and my laptop (which was open)
>
> Started losing it's balance, and went soaring.. Crashed, totalled.
>
> Now on my wife's computer.
>
> So here's my track record.
>
> Makita LS1013 trashed garbage
> Asus K55 I5 trashed garbage. Hopefully the disk is good because it
> won't recognize it right now.
Ugh! Some days it just isn't even worth getting out of bed...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote
> And your wife will let you anywhere near her puter?
He just isn't allowed to pick it up! ;-)
--
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"woodchucker" <[email protected]> wrote
> I was carrying a bunch of things, and my laptop (which was open)
>
> Started losing it's balance, and went soaring.. Crashed, totalled.
Question is, why was it open. Let me guess... You did not want to have to
wake it up or reboot once you got to where you were going with it.
Do yourself a favor and set it up so that closing the lid does not put it to
sleep or turn off the display for 3 minutes or 5 minutes, or something like
that. It might have survived a drop if it had been closed.
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On Sun, 18 May 2014 16:37:53 -0400, "Morgans"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>"woodchucker" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> I was carrying a bunch of things, and my laptop (which was open)
>>
>> Started losing it's balance, and went soaring.. Crashed, totalled.
> Question is, why was it open. Let me guess... You did not want to have to
>wake it up or reboot once you got to where you were going with it.
>
>Do yourself a favor and set it up so that closing the lid does not put it to
>sleep or turn off the display for 3 minutes or 5 minutes, or something like
>that. It might have survived a drop if it had been closed.
+1.
*Never* move a laptop without closing the lid. With the lid closed,
they're remarkably resistant to damage. Not so much, with it open.
I have mine set to never go to sleep on it's own, when on AC power
(after a half-hour or so on battery and "hibernate" on low battery).
It does lock after five or ten minutes of inactivity. It's no big
deal to press Fn-F4 to put it to sleep, even with it locked.
On Sun, 18 May 2014 20:09:20 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 5/18/2014 7:30 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> When you replace it, look for a Panasonic Toughbook. Some versions
>>> are made for the military and if you can find an equivalent
>>> commercial
>>> version you'll have an *almost* unbreakable computer.
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> SFWIW, was talking to a guy who runs his business from a laptop.
>>
>> His suggestion:
>>
>> A rebuild of the IBM unit from the Chinese and lots of AAA
>> bateries for the mice and keyboards.
>>
>> Lew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>IBM doesn't make laptops anymore.
>
>They sold to Lenovo. My son has one and has had to replace the drive 3
>times and had another issue... don't know what it was.
>Lenovo is not what IBM was. Not as good QC as IBM had.
I have had IBM, now Lenovo, Thinkpads for years. I prefer them for
several reasons, including a fairly significant retiree discount
(though I get a Dell discount through my current employer). I had
problems with the disk on one but it was always at my brother's place,
so it may have been the 12h trip in the car that did it in. Note that
none of the computer manufacturers make their own disk drives. They're
all coming from the same two or three manufacturers.
>Also $$$ for very little power.
Disagree. Again, they all use the same parts.
>I'll do another ASUS, used to hate their motherboards as I had problems
>with them when I built systems. They had a bug that they never fixed
>with a bios upgrade... Someone eventually did a class action lawsuit...
>by the time I got fed up enough and built a new unit.
>
>But now ASUS is the standard.
My current laptop is a "convertible" tablet PC but its screen is too
small (and low res) for some uses (CAD) and it's much too heavy to use
as a tablet (3lbs.). It is nice to read when used as a *lap* top,
though. The touch screen is really nice. Not sure I'd do it again.
The M$ Surface looks promising, though. Light, both a laptop and
tablet, and really good on trips.
>And their laptops are very good. My only wish was a lighted keyboard or
>light from the screen. Sometimes I can't find the keys in the dark...
>but I just deal with it.
My laptop has lighted keys. After having it on this computer, it's a
requirement.
I have an ASUS netbook. Pure junk, though I understand that ASUS has
much better. I used to use nothing other than ASUS motherboards on
desktop systems.
On Sun, 18 May 2014 16:30:58 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> When you replace it, look for a Panasonic Toughbook. Some versions
>> are made for the military and if you can find an equivalent
>> commercial
>> version you'll have an *almost* unbreakable computer.
>------------------------------------------------
>SFWIW, was talking to a guy who runs his business from a laptop.
>
>His suggestion:
>
>A rebuild of the IBM unit from the Chinese and lots of AAA
>bateries for the mice and keyboards.
>
>Lew
>
>
>
The local LEOs have toughbooks in the trunk of the cruiser that do all
the communications/computing etc with remote screens and keyboards in
the cab.