University D.I.Y Project

On Feb 16, 5:43=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:

> My name and phone number are all public record... always have been. But
> again, what can they find out? That I like woodworking? That I like
> drumming? That I'm conservative? That I like boobs. That narrows me down
> to about 200 million people. My point is, what's to fear?


You missed my point. There is nothing to fear at all as long as you
wear your tin foil hat. I favor the three cornered version that some
guy named Abraham Lincoln said was the best design. I found him
easily on google and he allowed that he didn't have his hat on that
day.

Seriously, for those sitting with their tin foil hats on, it's too
late. More than can be imagined is already out there flying through
cyberspace.

So what. BFD. Who cares?

Alfonso

(See how well this works? Betcha you didn't know it was me...
Rodrigo!)

On 2/16/2013 12:03 PM, -MIKE- wrote:

> I think you guys have kids on your lawn that need chasing off. :-p

LOL ... already did that this morning, twiced 2 times.

> I took the survey just to see if there was any shenanigans going on.
> None.
> Poorly worded and executed survey, but harmless.
> No email address required.
> I'll let you know if my bank account is empty in the morning or the mind
> control rays are working.

Never fear ... The Crown Prince of Nigeria, who needs help hiding his
$20 million in lottery winnings, has some email on the way to you as we
speak.

Keep dodging those bullets ... "Just don't zig when you should have zagged."

<the quote above was the only advice from my Dad, a highly decorated
WWII veteran of Okinawa, as I was leaving for Vietnam>

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-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm simply laughing at the paranoia over someone knowing your DNS or IP.
> What are they going to know and what are they going to do with the info.
>
> It's along the same vein of when people first go on a website like
> Zillow and they freak out because the site shows their name and address
> and how much they paid for the house and their taxes, etc. All of which
> is public information.

Agree. An IP address is not necessarily an identifier in this day and age.
Since the consolidation to the big ISP's, and the almost used up ipv4
address space, most all are dynamically assigned, so you won't necessarily
always have the same.

Just ask the lawyers who scam the legal system by blanket subpoenas to
ISP's trying to put a name with an IP.

That said, an ISP will know how to put a name with the access point/router,
but considering that there is generally more than one device using a
non-routable ip behind the firewall, there is really no way to determine
the culprit on the LAN side without some boots on the ground access.

It ca be done, however, with enough resources, both technical and legal,
like the government has.

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-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2/16/13 6:30 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> Somebody wrote:
>>
>>> I hope you guys don't use cell phones.
>> -------------------------------------------
>> I refuse to have an electronic nurse maid.
>>
>> I get out of the office to get away from the damn phone,
>> not have it control my life.
>>
>> Lew
>>
>
>
> I think it's funny that someone wanting to be able to make phone calls
> outside their home equates to the phone "controlling one's life" in the
> minds of some.
>


I totally understand his point, you may not. Lew said nothing about making
a call, he is more concerned about a cell phone calling him. He is
ignorant of the fact that you don't have to receive calls like those he has
seen come in to ignorant idiots that receive calls at the movie theater or
the restraint or when driving some where. He does not want to be bothered
or be a bother to others because of a cell phone that has not simply been
turned off.

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>>> I refuse to have an electronic nurse maid.
>>>
>>> I get out of the office to get away from the damn phone,
>>> not have it control my life.
> --------------------------------------------------------
> "Leon" wrote:
>
>> I used to think that way,exactly. I like to get away where no one
>> can
>> bother me. Then it dawned on me that it would be sooooo much easier
>> to
>> have a cell phone to make a call for help should I find myself broke
>> down
>> on the road all alone.
>>
>> The cell phone is not normally going to bother you unless you
>> indiscriminately give out the number, and if you really don't want
>> to be
>> bothered, filter which calls come through or turn off the ringer.
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Ah yes, the AAA mentality as it's sometimes called by cruising
> sailors.
>
> Don't plan ahead, get in trouble, call AAA to bail you out.
>
> I'm not being critical, just making an observation.
>
> It seems to be the fashion. Get your ass in trouble, grab the cell,
> yell for help, rather than trying to solve your problem.
>
> Not saying that there are times when a cell phone call saves
> the day, but rather a cell call seems to be the first choice.
>
> At least once a week, somebody goes hiking in the local
> mountains and gets into trouble.
>
> Out comes the cell phone making the call that launches search
> and rescue, which often includes helicopter resources.
>
> This happens at great cost, but human life is involved.
>
> These rescues also count as training missions which
> helps reduce total cost.
>
> As a cruising sailor, I try operate differently.
>
> If I choose to go in harms way, it is my responsibility to take
> care of myself and my vessel and not expose others to
> possible harm rescuing me from my own stupidity.
>
> As far as phone control is concerned, am totally aware of the
> various controls that will limit the beast, but if I don't have a
> cell,
> then don't have to turn it off.
>
> As far as not handing out your cell number, it's a joke.
>
> With today's capture technology, you call me I have your number,
> you don't have to waste time trying to give it to me.
>
> These days, it is difficult enough to find some piece and quiet.
>
> Cell phones are an invasion of my privacy, IMHO.
>
> The boat yard is about as close as it gets on land,
> the time spent sailing is another.
>
> Off the box.
>
>
> Lew


1. If you don't make the call the number can't be captured. This should
not be a problem if you only have the phone for important calls.
2.. Again, turn the phone off if you don't want to receive calls.
3. Again, turn the ringer off if you don't want to be bothered by calls

On 2/16/2013 11:10 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/16/2013 9:44 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> Good Afternoon everyone.
>>
>> We're a group of second year Journalism students at the University of
>> Huddersfield and we could really do with your help.
>>
>> For our project, we have decided to design a D.I.Y magazine aimed at
>> people like yourself and we was wondering whether you could spare two
>> minutes and fill out our survey?
>>
>> This is simply for a university project and has no profit involved,
>> just aiming to get a decent grade!
>>
>> www.surveymonkey.com/s/DF5MC8G
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>
> Since you are probably young students you may be more trusting in going
> to a site and filling out a questionnaire. Most of us here are a bit
> more seasoned and would probably jump at the chance to participate but
> not at the chance of going to an unknown site and risk the possible
> inherent dangers with doing so.
>
> So, post your questions here and you will probably get a better turn out
> of responses.
>
> Yeah, you are going to have to work more to get your free answers.
>
Is it just me, or is there an echo in here?

--
 GW Ross 

 Growing old is mandatory; growing up 
 is optional!! 

"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 16, 4:02 pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> On 2/16/2013 3:29 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>> Most weekend warriors and occasional professionals. You know the
>>> occasional guy, the one that got paid once or twice for a small
>>> project and can't quit crowing about it - no matter it was 3 hour
>>> project his kid's house stretched to a week, or a favor for the
>>> neighborhood widow lady. << Plenty >> of those guys available every
>>> Saturday to talk to.
>>
>> Wow that picture was so vivid I could smell it. Did you know that my
>> dad helped me build most of our furniture?? I still hear him tell about
>> how he helped, bring in a sheet of plywood. Him being 90, that is
>> something to brag about now, but I have been hearing that story for 30
>> years. ;~)
>
> Likewise, my Dad as well. As a kiddo, I helped him build a storage
> room that was doomed from the start to fall over. (It actually
> did...) We also built a very strange looking dog house with a flat
> slanted roof once as he couldn't figure out pitch. We replaced boards
> on the back fence, and built some rough shelves.
>
> One day, he came out to a semi custom home I was framing (as the lead
> framer and owner of the framing company) and announced not only to my
> workers that I had actually learned framing from him, but went home
> and proclaimed to my Mom that he was responsible for my success as a
> house builder. Who knew?
>
> When he actually came out to a house I was building, he was
> overwhelmed at the logistics and money involved.
>
> Many years later, he went to my sister's house in Houston and was
> looking at the window treatments I designed and installed, the layered
> crown molding I put up in their large rooms rooms (different profile
> in every room), a new door cut into an existing wall, and the new
> front door with a Baldwin box lock I installed, fitted to the existing
> opening. All of the finished work was painted and finished by me.
>
> I wasn't there when he surveyed the work. But my sister said he sat
> down at the kitchen table with a hugely satisfied look on his face and
> proclaimed "well, you know where he learned all that stuff. And all
> these years I thought he wasn't paying attention..."
>
> My sister told me there was a beat of silence and then howls of
> laughter. They thought he was kidding.
>
> He wasn't!
>
> Robert

LOL. my dad does not take credit for what I know, at least when it comes
to vehicles, or woodworking. But he knows that I got all of my woodworking
skills from my grand father, my grand father died a year before I was born.
I guess it's a blue "jeans" thing thing.

On 2/16/2013 12:33 PM, Richard wrote:
> On 2/16/2013 12:03 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>
>>
>> I think you guys have kids on your lawn that need chasing off. :-p
>> I took the survey just to see if there was any shenanigans going on.
>> None.
>> Poorly worded and executed survey, but harmless.
>> No email address required.
>> I'll let you know if my bank account is empty in the morning or the mind
>> control rays are working.
>>
>>
>
>
> They got your DNS address as soon as you showed up there.
> That not only identifies you, but your location as well.


Exactly, you don't have to knowingly give them information for them to
get it.

On 2/16/2013 11:55 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Feb 16, 10:10 am, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> On 2/16/2013 9:44 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> Good Afternoon everyone.
>>
>>> We're a group of second year Journalism students at the University of Huddersfield and we could really do with your help.
>>
>>> For our project, we have decided to design a D.I.Y magazine aimed at people like yourself and we was wondering whether you could spare two minutes and fill out our survey?
>>
>>> This is simply for a university project and has no profit involved, just aiming to get a decent grade!
>>
>>> www.surveymonkey.com/s/DF5MC8G
>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>
>> Since you are probably young students you may be more trusting in going
>> to a site and filling out a questionnaire. Most of us here are a bit
>> more seasoned and would probably jump at the chance to participate but
>> not at the chance of going to an unknown site and risk the possible
>> inherent dangers with doing so.
>>
>> So, post your questions here and you will probably get a better turn out
>> of responses.
>>
>> Yeah, you are going to have to work more to get your free answers.
>
> Atta boy, Leon. Couldn't agree more with you or Karl.
>
> How many questions could they have? Besides, all of us know how to
> reply to a post, so sorting out the answers wouldn't be hard.

Hell Robert they would have to go to their questionnaire site, copy and
past here. Probably wayyyyyy too much trouble. ;~)


>
> No one gets access to my email willingly unless I say so. That's why
> I rarely ever have computer infection problems. I stay off any
> suspicious sites and have a throw away email that I use when one is
> required. And certainly kids that grew up on the net realize the need
> for tight security.
>
> Robert
>

On 2/16/2013 12:23 PM, dpb wrote:
> On 2/16/2013 11:13 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 2/16/2013 10:16 AM, dpb wrote:
> ...
>
>> Not saying it is NOT legitimate, but you can't be too careful clicking
>> willy nilly on links in messages these days.
>
> While some truth there it's an overblown reaction imo -- I was pointing
> out is that I do know from previous 'speryence that surveymonkey.com is
> a legit site.

Facebook is a legit site too but I now avoid. Got screwed entering this
years Bessey Facebook clamp drawing. Got spammed by the same source 10
or so times daily by diffferent sites until I figured out how to filter
the e-mails. Last year I collectd a dozen or so free Bessy tools for
participating. Got nothing this year but spam.

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Somebody wrote:
>
>> I hope you guys don't use cell phones.
> -------------------------------------------
> I refuse to have an electronic nurse maid.
>
> I get out of the office to get away from the damn phone,
> not have it control my life.
>
> Lew

I used to think that way,exactly. I like to get away where no one can
bother me. Then it dawned on me that it would be sooooo much easier to
have a cell phone to make a call for help should I find myself broke down
on the road all alone.

The cell phone is not normally going to bother you unless you
indiscriminately give out the number, and if you really don't want to be
bothered, filter which calls come through or turn off the ringer.

Somebody wrote:

> I hope you guys don't use cell phones.
-------------------------------------------
I refuse to have an electronic nurse maid.

I get out of the office to get away from the damn phone,
not have it control my life.

Lew

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:5120249e$0$13437
[email protected]:

> Somebody wrote:
>
>> I hope you guys don't use cell phones.
> -------------------------------------------
> I refuse to have an electronic nurse maid.
>
> I get out of the office to get away from the damn phone,
> not have it control my life.
>
> Lew
>

My mom wants me to keep my phone on me while working out in the shop.
I'm often out there alone during the night, so having something nearby
that I can use to call for help makes her a little happier.

The phone does not control my life. Anyone who gets that number will
have to deal with my voicemail sooner or later. I just can't hear it or
feel it when mowing the lawn, running a saw (sometimes I feel it), and
sometimes I ignore it.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

"Puckdropper" wrote:
>
> My mom wants me to keep my phone on me while working out in the
> shop.
> I'm often out there alone during the night, so having something
> nearby
> that I can use to call for help makes her a little happier.
-----------------------------------
That's why companies like Life Alert exist.

My mother was still living alone at 102.

I insisted she wear a Life Alert.

It saved her life one night.

Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:

>> I refuse to have an electronic nurse maid.
>>
>> I get out of the office to get away from the damn phone,
>> not have it control my life.
--------------------------------------------------------
"Leon" wrote:

> I used to think that way,exactly. I like to get away where no one
> can
> bother me. Then it dawned on me that it would be sooooo much easier
> to
> have a cell phone to make a call for help should I find myself broke
> down
> on the road all alone.
>
> The cell phone is not normally going to bother you unless you
> indiscriminately give out the number, and if you really don't want
> to be
> bothered, filter which calls come through or turn off the ringer.
---------------------------------------------------
Ah yes, the AAA mentality as it's sometimes called by cruising
sailors.

Don't plan ahead, get in trouble, call AAA to bail you out.

I'm not being critical, just making an observation.

It seems to be the fashion. Get your ass in trouble, grab the cell,
yell for help, rather than trying to solve your problem.

Not saying that there are times when a cell phone call saves
the day, but rather a cell call seems to be the first choice.

At least once a week, somebody goes hiking in the local
mountains and gets into trouble.

Out comes the cell phone making the call that launches search
and rescue, which often includes helicopter resources.

This happens at great cost, but human life is involved.

These rescues also count as training missions which
helps reduce total cost.

As a cruising sailor, I try operate differently.

If I choose to go in harms way, it is my responsibility to take
care of myself and my vessel and not expose others to
possible harm rescuing me from my own stupidity.

As far as phone control is concerned, am totally aware of the
various controls that will limit the beast, but if I don't have a
cell,
then don't have to turn it off.

As far as not handing out your cell number, it's a joke.

With today's capture technology, you call me I have your number,
you don't have to waste time trying to give it to me.

These days, it is difficult enough to find some piece and quiet.

Cell phones are an invasion of my privacy, IMHO.

The boat yard is about as close as it gets on land,
the time spent sailing is another.

Off the box.


Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:

> I refuse to have an electronic nurse maid.
>
> I get out of the office to get away from the damn phone,
> not have it control my life.
------------------------------------------------------------
With all the screwy things that are going on with
public transportation these days, having access to a cell
phone is almost mandatory while traveling.

It replaces the "Calling Card" of bygone days.

Having a "Burn Phone" packed in your carry on brief case
for those "Travel Revision" moments" makes a lot of sense.

Kind of like a life preserver on a boat.

Lew

On Feb 16, 10:10=A0am, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> On 2/16/2013 9:44 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Good Afternoon everyone.
>
> > We're a group of second year Journalism students at the University of H=
uddersfield and we could really do with your help.
>
> > For our project, we have decided to design a D.I.Y magazine aimed at pe=
ople like yourself and we was wondering whether you could spare two minutes=
and fill out our survey?
>
> > This is simply for a university project and has no profit involved, jus=
t aiming to get a decent grade!
>
> >www.surveymonkey.com/s/DF5MC8G
>
> > Many thanks.
>
> Since you are probably young students you may be more trusting in going
> to a site and filling out a questionnaire. =A0Most of us here are a bit
> more seasoned and would probably jump at the chance to participate but
> not at the chance of going to an unknown site and risk the possible
> inherent dangers with doing so.
>
> So, post your questions here and you will probably get a better turn out
> of responses.
>
> Yeah, you are going to have to work more to get your free answers.

Atta boy, Leon. Couldn't agree more with you or Karl.

How many questions could they have? Besides, all of us know how to
reply to a post, so sorting out the answers wouldn't be hard.

No one gets access to my email willingly unless I say so. That's why
I rarely ever have computer infection problems. I stay off any
suspicious sites and have a throw away email that I use when one is
required. And certainly kids that grew up on the net realize the need
for tight security.

Robert

-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'll let you know if my bank account is empty in the morning or the mind
> control rays are working.

You think you got problems ... Just noticed the toilet paper I've been
using the past week is past it's 'use by' date by three weeks! Shit!

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-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2/16/13 4:43 PM, Dave wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:25:00 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>> I'm simply laughing at the paranoia over someone knowing your DNS or IP.
>>> What are they going to know and what are they going to do with the info.
>>
>> Go ahead, laugh it up and make funny. But, when your kids or grand
>> kids get coerced into doing something stupid on Facebook and give out
>> some personal information that they shouldn't have, then you'll think
>> again.
>>
>
> Well now, that is a pretty big stretch from going to a website and having
> it know your DNS, now isn't it?
>


We the paranoid, :-) are not really saying that we are so naive that we
think all of our information is secret and hidden because we don't go to
certain web sites so much as we the paranoid, :-) are not going to do "all"
of the work for an unknown entity wanting us to go to the trouble of taking
time out to click on an unknown web site and risk what ever..
True it would only take one click but it would only take one click for the
other party to bring the questions to us.

Now this particular site is probably fine as indicated by another post that
vouched for the site but that information was not available when I first
responded and this thread started out like so many other posts that
actually do hope to benefit from a blind faith that bad things only happen
to other people.

I fortunately don't have too many computer issues linked to going to
unknown sites. My father on the other hand has issues that I have to
resolve on what seems to be a weekly basis because he cannot resist to
click on site links brought to him by people that he actually knows. Last
year his computer was infected by clicking on a link to a web site sent to
him by a friend. When he got to the site a pop up window came up after a
few minutes indicating that his virus program detected a virus and it had
placed the virus in quarantine. Click ok to clean the file. He did and it
eventually cost him a few hundred dollars to have the virus removed. The
virus posed as an anti virus program.

While we the paranoid,:-) might seem prudent, we are OK with that. Want
information from me, ask the question. Don't ask me to go some where else
to do so.

On 2/16/2013 12:23 PM, dpb wrote:
> On 2/16/2013 11:13 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 2/16/2013 10:16 AM, dpb wrote:
> ...
>
>> Not saying it is NOT legitimate, but you can't be too careful clicking
>> willy nilly on links in messages these days.
>
> While some truth there it's an overblown reaction imo

Only overblown until _you_ get bit ... but what the hell, you would
argue that the Statue of Liberty can indeed piss in the Pacific given
the opportunity

> But, suit yourself of course.

As always ...

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On 2/16/2013 3:23 PM, Swingman wrote:
> -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'll let you know if my bank account is empty in the morning or the mind
>> control rays are working.
>
> You think you got problems ... Just noticed the toilet paper I've been
> using the past week is past it's 'use by' date by three weeks! Shit!
>


Time to maybe fold a single sheet in half twice and tear the corner off.
;~)

On 2/16/2013 12:55 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Feb 16, 10:10 am, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> On 2/16/2013 9:44 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> Good Afternoon everyone.
>>
>>> We're a group of second year Journalism students at the University of Huddersfield and we could really do with your help.
>>
>>> For our project, we have decided to design a D.I.Y magazine aimed at people like yourself and we was wondering whether you could spare two minutes and fill out our survey?
>>
>>> This is simply for a university project and has no profit involved, just aiming to get a decent grade!
>>
>>> www.surveymonkey.com/s/DF5MC8G
>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>
>> Since you are probably young students you may be more trusting in going
>> to a site and filling out a questionnaire. Most of us here are a bit
>> more seasoned and would probably jump at the chance to participate but
>> not at the chance of going to an unknown site and risk the possible
>> inherent dangers with doing so.
>>
>> So, post your questions here and you will probably get a better turn out
>> of responses.
>>
>> Yeah, you are going to have to work more to get your free answers.
>
> Atta boy, Leon. Couldn't agree more with you or Karl.
>
> How many questions could they have? Besides, all of us know how to
> reply to a post, so sorting out the answers wouldn't be hard.
>
> No one gets access to my email willingly unless I say so. That's why
> I rarely ever have computer infection problems. I stay off any
> suspicious sites and have a throw away email that I use when one is
> required. And certainly kids that grew up on the net realize the need
> for tight security.
>
> Robert
>
Think again, most kids have the most infected computers.
My son and I have cleaned up so many computers for friends its not funny.

I had formatted and reinstalled one, and the next day the kid was
totally infected, even with antivirus. Some are just so stuipd about the
sites they visit.



--
Jeff

Richard wrote:
> On 2/16/2013 12:03 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>
>>
>> I think you guys have kids on your lawn that need chasing off. :-p
>> I took the survey just to see if there was any shenanigans going on.
>> None.
>> Poorly worded and executed survey, but harmless.
>> No email address required.
>> I'll let you know if my bank account is empty in the morning or the
>> mind control rays are working.
>>
>>
>
>
> They got your DNS address as soon as you showed up there.
> That not only identifies you, but your location as well.
>

My ISP uses the following DNS addresses

209.115.152.130
209.115.152.150
207.102.93.157
207.194.28.230
216.123.224.131
209.202.110.120
209.202.110.121

This is a nationwide ISP, please explain how surveymonkey.com would now know
my identity and location?


--
PV

"Youth ages, immaturity is outgrown, ignorance can be educated, and
drunkenness sobered, but stupid lasts forever."

- Aristophanes

On Feb 16, 2:59=A0pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

> > How many questions could they have? =A0Besides, all of us know how to
> > reply to a post, so sorting out the answers wouldn't be hard.
>
> Hell Robert they would have to go to their questionnaire site, copy and
> past here. =A0Probably wayyyyyy too much trouble. =A0;~)

If they won't put any effort out, I won't either. If it is as dpb
describes, no doubt they took 10 minutes away from their busy day as
students to put together a quick survey of which they could simply
download results on one nice page to turn in as their work. No muss,
no fuss.

And I am SURE they won't miss my participation at all.

To make this interesting, I would have had the students go stand out
in front of HD and ask random customers what floated their boat about
doing different projects.

Most weekend warriors and occasional professionals. You know the
occasional guy, the one that got paid once or twice for a small
project and can't quit crowing about it - no matter it was 3 hour
project his kid's house stretched to a week, or a favor for the
neighborhood widow lady. << Plenty >> of those guys available every
Saturday to talk to.

The survey results might not be as accurate as they could be, but they
would be a lot more entertaining.

Robert

On Feb 16, 4:25=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm simply laughing at the paranoia over someone knowing your DNS or IP.
> What are they going to know and what are they going to do with the info.

If you have ever used the internet, ever participated on a forum,
blog, discussion group, sent an email, opened some emails, clicked on
an ad, ordered anything online, and on an on and on... it is too
late. You are found out. I don't want to make it easy, but anyone
that wants to find out more about you won't have any problems doing
so.

> It's along the same vein of when people first go on a website like
> Zillow and they freak out because the site shows their name and address
> and how much they paid for the house and their taxes, etc. All of which
> is public information.

That has never worked on me since I always wear my tinfoil hat when
going to those sites. I also sign my messages with a fake name to
further throw the snooping bad guys off my scent.

Rodrigo

On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 17:25:50 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>> Go ahead, laugh it up and make funny. But, when your kids or grand
>> kids get coerced into doing something stupid on Facebook and give out
>> some personal information that they shouldn't have, then you'll think
>> again.
>>
>Well now, that is a pretty big stretch from going to a website and
>having it know your DNS, now isn't it?

IF, you believe that, then you're pretty naive. The point of my
comments are that it's *essential* that one knows they are *always*
giving out information.

When you're aware of that, then it's not a big stretch to be proactive
when giving out information on social networking sites.

Whether it's an IP address or a Facebook page, you should always be
aware of what *could* happen and make some attempt to limit what
information you hand out. That's just common sense. You got any common
sense Mike?

On Feb 16, 4:02=A0pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> On 2/16/2013 3:29 PM, [email protected] wrote:

> > Most weekend warriors and occasional professionals. =A0You know the
> > occasional guy, the one that got paid once or twice for a small
> > project and can't quit crowing about it - no matter it was 3 hour
> > project his kid's house stretched to a week, or a favor for the
> > neighborhood widow lady. =A0<< Plenty >> of those guys available every
> > Saturday to talk to.
>
> Wow that picture was so vivid I could smell it. =A0Did you know that my
> dad helped me build most of our furniture?? =A0I still hear him tell abou=
t
> how he helped, bring in a sheet of plywood. =A0Him being 90, that is
> something to brag about now, but I have been hearing that story for 30
> years. =A0;~)

Likewise, my Dad as well. As a kiddo, I helped him build a storage
room that was doomed from the start to fall over. (It actually
did...) We also built a very strange looking dog house with a flat
slanted roof once as he couldn't figure out pitch. We replaced boards
on the back fence, and built some rough shelves.

One day, he came out to a semi custom home I was framing (as the lead
framer and owner of the framing company) and announced not only to my
workers that I had actually learned framing from him, but went home
and proclaimed to my Mom that he was responsible for my success as a
house builder. Who knew?

When he actually came out to a house I was building, he was
overwhelmed at the logistics and money involved.

Many years later, he went to my sister's house in Houston and was
looking at the window treatments I designed and installed, the layered
crown molding I put up in their large rooms rooms (different profile
in every room), a new door cut into an existing wall, and the new
front door with a Baldwin box lock I installed, fitted to the existing
opening. All of the finished work was painted and finished by me.

I wasn't there when he surveyed the work. But my sister said he sat
down at the kitchen table with a hugely satisfied look on his face and
proclaimed "well, you know where he learned all that stuff. And all
these years I thought he wasn't paying attention..."

My sister told me there was a beat of silence and then howls of
laughter. They thought he was kidding.

He wasn't!

Robert

Try going to a lookup site..you will be amazed

On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:55:22 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>As I mentioned before. So what?

Obviously, the "what" is that information is *always* given out
EVERYTIME you go online. You might already know that, but many don't
and just glossing over that fact doesn't help anyone to be a little
more proactive.

On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 12:03:48 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>I took the survey just to see if there was any shenanigans going on.
>None.Poorly worded and executed survey, but harmless.
>No email address required.

You probably already know, but your IP address is given when you go to
any web site. There are ways to muddle that address, but the vast
majority of people don't use them.

On 2/16/2013 3:06 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 2/16/13 3:01 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 2/16/2013 12:33 PM, Richard wrote:
>>> On 2/16/2013 12:03 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think you guys have kids on your lawn that need chasing off. :-p
>>>> I took the survey just to see if there was any shenanigans going on.
>>>> None.
>>>> Poorly worded and executed survey, but harmless.
>>>> No email address required.
>>>> I'll let you know if my bank account is empty in the morning or the
>>>> mind
>>>> control rays are working.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They got your DNS address as soon as you showed up there.
>>> That not only identifies you, but your location as well.
>>
>>
>> Exactly, you don't have to knowingly give them information for them to
>> get it.
>>
>
> I hope you guys don't use cell phones. :-p
>
>


Well I do and I know that I can be easily located but I don't have any
problems that I am aware of other than that. There is nothing on my
cell phone that I would worry about loosing.

On 2/16/2013 10:10 AM, Leon wrote:
...

> more seasoned and would probably jump at the chance to participate but
> not at the chance of going to an unknown site and risk the possible
> inherent dangers with doing so.
...

surveymonkey.com is ok--we've used it for local community
college-related surveys as well.

--

On 2/16/13 11:55 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Feb 16, 10:10 am, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> On 2/16/2013 9:44 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> Good Afternoon everyone.
>>
>>> We're a group of second year Journalism students at the
>>> University of Huddersfield and we could really do with your
>>> help.
>>
>>> For our project, we have decided to design a D.I.Y magazine aimed
>>> at people like yourself and we was wondering whether you could
>>> spare two minutes and fill out our survey?
>>
>>> This is simply for a university project and has no profit
>>> involved, just aiming to get a decent grade!
>>
>>> www.surveymonkey.com/s/DF5MC8G
>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>
>> Since you are probably young students you may be more trusting in
>> going to a site and filling out a questionnaire. Most of us here
>> are a bit more seasoned and would probably jump at the chance to
>> participate but not at the chance of going to an unknown site and
>> risk the possible inherent dangers with doing so.
>>
>> So, post your questions here and you will probably get a better
>> turn out of responses.
>>
>> Yeah, you are going to have to work more to get your free answers.
>
> Atta boy, Leon. Couldn't agree more with you or Karl.
>
> How many questions could they have? Besides, all of us know how to
> reply to a post, so sorting out the answers wouldn't be hard.
>
> No one gets access to my email willingly unless I say so. That's
> why I rarely ever have computer infection problems. I stay off any
> suspicious sites and have a throw away email that I use when one is
> required. And certainly kids that grew up on the net realize the
> need for tight security.
>
> Robert
>

I think you guys have kids on your lawn that need chasing off. :-p
I took the survey just to see if there was any shenanigans going on.
None.
Poorly worded and executed survey, but harmless.
No email address required.
I'll let you know if my bank account is empty in the morning or the mind
control rays are working.


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On 2/16/2013 11:13 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 2/16/2013 10:16 AM, dpb wrote:
...

> Not saying it is NOT legitimate, but you can't be too careful clicking
> willy nilly on links in messages these days.

While some truth there it's an overblown reaction imo -- I was pointing
out is that I do know from previous 'speryence that surveymonkey.com is
a legit site.

I have thought previously they should provide a more friendly-looking
link than they do, but it's harmless -- I suspect even UK English
standards have slipped markedly and there's no guarantee that the
poster(s) are all or even mostly first-language-English speakers,
either, even if in uni there.

But, suit yourself of course.

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On 2/16/13 12:22 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 2/16/2013 12:03 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>
>> I think you guys have kids on your lawn that need chasing off. :-p
>
> LOL ... already did that this morning, twiced 2 times.
>
>> I took the survey just to see if there was any shenanigans going on.
>> None.
>> Poorly worded and executed survey, but harmless.
>> No email address required.
>> I'll let you know if my bank account is empty in the morning or the mind
>> control rays are working.
>
> Never fear ... The Crown Prince of Nigeria, who needs help hiding his
> $20 million in lottery winnings, has some email on the way to you as we
> speak.
>
> Keep dodging those bullets ... "Just don't zig when you should have
> zagged."
>
> <the quote above was the only advice from my Dad, a highly decorated
> WWII veteran of Okinawa, as I was leaving for Vietnam>
>

Nice.
Thanks to both of you for your service.


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On 2/16/13 12:33 PM, Richard wrote:
> On 2/16/2013 12:03 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>
>>
>> I think you guys have kids on your lawn that need chasing off. :-p
>> I took the survey just to see if there was any shenanigans going on.
>> None.
>> Poorly worded and executed survey, but harmless.
>> No email address required.
>> I'll let you know if my bank account is empty in the morning or the mind
>> control rays are working.
>>
>>
>
>
> They got your DNS address as soon as you showed up there.
> That not only identifies you, but your location as well.
>

Oh no, I'm doomed.

So, which anonymous proxy server do you use to surf the web?


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On 2/16/2013 12:28 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 2/16/2013 12:23 PM, dpb wrote:
>> On 2/16/2013 11:13 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 2/16/2013 10:16 AM, dpb wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> Not saying it is NOT legitimate, but you can't be too careful clicking
>>> willy nilly on links in messages these days.
>>
>> While some truth there it's an overblown reaction imo
>
> Only overblown until _you_ get bit ......

For an unknown, perhaps not.

Someone who's at least relatively known who's vouching for the site otoh...

--

On 2/16/13 3:01 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/16/2013 12:33 PM, Richard wrote:
>> On 2/16/2013 12:03 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I think you guys have kids on your lawn that need chasing off. :-p
>>> I took the survey just to see if there was any shenanigans going on.
>>> None.
>>> Poorly worded and executed survey, but harmless.
>>> No email address required.
>>> I'll let you know if my bank account is empty in the morning or the mind
>>> control rays are working.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> They got your DNS address as soon as you showed up there.
>> That not only identifies you, but your location as well.
>
>
> Exactly, you don't have to knowingly give them information for them to
> get it.
>

I hope you guys don't use cell phones. :-p


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On 2/16/13 3:37 PM, Dave wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 12:03:48 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>> I took the survey just to see if there was any shenanigans going on.
>> None.Poorly worded and executed survey, but harmless.
>> No email address required.
>
> You probably already know, but your IP address is given when you go to
> any web site. There are ways to muddle that address, but the vast
> majority of people don't use them.
>

As I mentioned before. So what?


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On 2/16/13 4:07 PM, Dave wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:55:22 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>> As I mentioned before. So what?
>
> Obviously, the "what" is that information is *always* given out
> EVERYTIME you go online. You might already know that, but many don't
> and just glossing over that fact doesn't help anyone to be a little
> more proactive.
>

I'm simply laughing at the paranoia over someone knowing your DNS or IP.
What are they going to know and what are they going to do with the info.

It's along the same vein of when people first go on a website like
Zillow and they freak out because the site shows their name and address
and how much they paid for the house and their taxes, etc. All of which
is public information.


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On 2/16/13 4:43 PM, Dave wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:25:00 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>> I'm simply laughing at the paranoia over someone knowing your DNS or IP.
>> What are they going to know and what are they going to do with the info.
>
> Go ahead, laugh it up and make funny. But, when your kids or grand
> kids get coerced into doing something stupid on Facebook and give out
> some personal information that they shouldn't have, then you'll think
> again.
>

Well now, that is a pretty big stretch from going to a website and
having it know your DNS, now isn't it?


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On 2/16/13 5:19 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Feb 16, 4:25 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'm simply laughing at the paranoia over someone knowing your DNS or IP.
>> What are they going to know and what are they going to do with the info.
>
> If you have ever used the internet, ever participated on a forum,
> blog, discussion group, sent an email, opened some emails, clicked on
> an ad, ordered anything online, and on an on and on... it is too
> late. You are found out. I don't want to make it easy, but anyone
> that wants to find out more about you won't have any problems doing
> so.
>

My name and phone number are all public record... always have been. But
again, what can they find out? That I like woodworking? That I like
drumming? That I'm conservative? That I like boobs. That narrows me down
to about 200 million people. My point is, what's to fear?

The important stuff....
Soc number? Probably already leaked... yours too, without your
knowledge. If the general public knew what cyber-terrorists already had,
there would be a revolt on the steps of the white house. Credit cards,
bank account. It's all out there. But I've already had my "identity
stolen" and it was an inexpensive lesson to learn. Maybe a hundred bucks
on dating sites that some hacker got. If I'd checked my statement like I
should every month, I wouldn't have been responsible for any of it. Now
we check.

My buddy works for the DoD in their cyber terrorism counter intelligence
department. That's about all he can even say, publicly. Privately, he's
told me that China already has enough info to cause nationwide panic if
they wanted to in about 15 minutes. They won't, but it's the cyber
equivalent of having 1000 nukes pointed at us from Cuba.

That's the kind of $h!t that would keep me up at night if I worried
about it. Not some Russian mobster cleaning out my saving account.


>> It's along the same vein of when people first go on a website like
>> Zillow and they freak out because the site shows their name and address
>> and how much they paid for the house and their taxes, etc. All of which
>> is public information.
>
> That has never worked on me since I always wear my tinfoil hat when
> going to those sites. I also sign my messages with a fake name to
> further throw the snooping bad guys off my scent.
>
> Rodrigo
>

Fake name? But I though they had your DNS? :-)


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On 2/16/13 5:36 PM, Dave wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 17:25:50 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>> Go ahead, laugh it up and make funny. But, when your kids or grand
>>> kids get coerced into doing something stupid on Facebook and give out
>>> some personal information that they shouldn't have, then you'll think
>>> again.
>>>
>> Well now, that is a pretty big stretch from going to a website and
>> having it know your DNS, now isn't it?
>
> IF, you believe that, then you're pretty naive. The point of my
> comments are that it's *essential* that one knows they are *always*
> giving out information.
>

We're talking about a specific site in the link that takes a surveys.
They asked for no personal information.
If all they get is your DNS and/or IP address, what can they do?


> When you're aware of that, then it's not a big stretch to be proactive
> when giving out information on social networking sites.
>
> Whether it's an IP address or a Facebook page, you should always be
> aware of what *could* happen and make some attempt to limit what
> information you hand out. That's just common sense. You got any common
> sense Mike?
>

Plenty. You? You're the one who took a website accessing your DNS from
simply visiting a website and stretched it into "kids get[ting] coerced
into doing something stupid on Facebook and giv[ing] out some personal
information that they shouldn't have."

So check your own common sense and don't go putting words in people's
mouths or adding information to the debate ex post facto.

What you did is like someone saying there's no need to fear driving on
tires that are a few pounds under pressure and saying, "go ahead and
laugh, when your kids are in a high speed chase and run over spike strips!"


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On 2/16/13 6:00 PM, Richard wrote:
> On 2/16/2013 3:06 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 2/16/13 3:01 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 2/16/2013 12:33 PM, Richard wrote:
>>>> On 2/16/2013 12:03 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you guys have kids on your lawn that need chasing off. :-p
>>>>> I took the survey just to see if there was any shenanigans going on.
>>>>> None.
>>>>> Poorly worded and executed survey, but harmless.
>>>>> No email address required.
>>>>> I'll let you know if my bank account is empty in the morning or the
>>>>> mind
>>>>> control rays are working.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They got your DNS address as soon as you showed up there.
>>>> That not only identifies you, but your location as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> Exactly, you don't have to knowingly give them information for them to
>>> get it.
>>>
>>
>> I hope you guys don't use cell phones. :-p
>>
>>
> Of course I use a cell phone.
> But I flat refuse to hand my phone number over to businesses.

That's the last thing you should be worried about concerning using a
cell phone.
That is, of course, assuming you worry about such things.


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On 2/16/13 6:30 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Somebody wrote:
>
>> I hope you guys don't use cell phones.
> -------------------------------------------
> I refuse to have an electronic nurse maid.
>
> I get out of the office to get away from the damn phone,
> not have it control my life.
>
> Lew
>


I think it's funny that someone wanting to be able to make phone calls
outside their home equates to the phone "controlling one's life" in the
minds of some.


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On 2/17/13 8:17 AM, Leon wrote:
> -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 2/16/13 6:30 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>> Somebody wrote:
>>>
>>>> I hope you guys don't use cell phones.
>>> -------------------------------------------
>>> I refuse to have an electronic nurse maid.
>>>
>>> I get out of the office to get away from the damn phone,
>>> not have it control my life.
>>>
>>> Lew
>>>
>>
>>
>> I think it's funny that someone wanting to be able to make phone calls
>> outside their home equates to the phone "controlling one's life" in the
>> minds of some.
>>
>
>
> I totally understand his point, you may not. Lew said nothing about making
> a call, he is more concerned about a cell phone calling him. He is
> ignorant of the fact that you don't have to receive calls like those he has
> seen come in to ignorant idiots that receive calls at the movie theater or
> the restraint or when driving some where. He does not want to be bothered
> or be a bother to others because of a cell phone that has not simply been
> turned off.
>

I guess if you can't turn a phone off, it *does* control you. :-)

Like I heard once, "My cell phone is for *my* convenience, not yours."


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On 2/17/13 8:52 AM, Ribbit wrote:
> Try going to a lookup site..you will be amazed
>

By what?
All the public information that is readily available at any county
commissioners office? :-)

If I'm amazed, I'm amazed that it took this long for it to be so easily
accessed. Anything that makes public information easier to obtain is
good by me... especially information about what the government is doing.


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On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:07:37 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]"
>My sister told me there was a beat of silence and then howls of
>laughter. They thought he was kidding.

Sure, I went through a little of that too, of course not nearly as
much as you guys. But one thing I'm damned sure of was that if it
wasn't for my father and his workshop, I might never have gotten into
woodworking.

I got my start in his workshop opening paint cans with chisels ~ AND
of course, breaking many of those chisel tips off.

Never once did he shout at me. Not even when I took a pencil and
scribbled all over his newly finished wall unit. Best dad I could ever
have wanted, I miss him dearly.

On 2/16/2013 3:29 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Feb 16, 2:59 pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>>> How many questions could they have? Besides, all of us know how to
>>> reply to a post, so sorting out the answers wouldn't be hard.
>>
>> Hell Robert they would have to go to their questionnaire site, copy and
>> past here. Probably wayyyyyy too much trouble. ;~)
>
> If they won't put any effort out, I won't either. If it is as dpb
> describes, no doubt they took 10 minutes away from their busy day as
> students to put together a quick survey of which they could simply
> download results on one nice page to turn in as their work. No muss,
> no fuss.
>
> And I am SURE they won't miss my participation at all.
>
> To make this interesting, I would have had the students go stand out
> in front of HD and ask random customers what floated their boat about
> doing different projects.
>
> Most weekend warriors and occasional professionals. You know the
> occasional guy, the one that got paid once or twice for a small
> project and can't quit crowing about it - no matter it was 3 hour
> project his kid's house stretched to a week, or a favor for the
> neighborhood widow lady. << Plenty >> of those guys available every
> Saturday to talk to.

Wow that picture was so vivid I could smell it. Did you know that my
dad helped me build most of our furniture?? I still hear him tell about
how he helped, bring in a sheet of plywood. Him being 90, that is
something to brag about now, but I have been hearing that story for 30
years. ;~)

>
> The survey results might not be as accurate as they could be, but they
> would be a lot more entertaining.
>
> Robert
>

On 2/16/2013 9:44 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> Good Afternoon everyone.
>
> We're a group of second year Journalism students at the University of Huddersfield and we could really do with your help.
>
> For our project, we have decided to design a D.I.Y magazine aimed at people like yourself and we was wondering whether you could spare two minutes and fill out our survey?
>
> This is simply for a university project and has no profit involved, just aiming to get a decent grade!
>
> www.surveymonkey.com/s/DF5MC8G
>
> Many thanks.
>

Since you are probably young students you may be more trusting in going
to a site and filling out a questionnaire. Most of us here are a bit
more seasoned and would probably jump at the chance to participate but
not at the chance of going to an unknown site and risk the possible
inherent dangers with doing so.

So, post your questions here and you will probably get a better turn out
of responses.

Yeah, you are going to have to work more to get your free answers.

On 2/16/2013 12:03 PM, -MIKE- wrote:

>
> I think you guys have kids on your lawn that need chasing off. :-p
> I took the survey just to see if there was any shenanigans going on.
> None.
> Poorly worded and executed survey, but harmless.
> No email address required.
> I'll let you know if my bank account is empty in the morning or the mind
> control rays are working.
>
>


They got your DNS address as soon as you showed up there.
That not only identifies you, but your location as well.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System
An often-used analogy to explain the Domain Name System is that it
serves as the phone book for the Internet by translating human-friendly
computer hostnames into IP addresses. For example, the domain name
www.example.com translates to the addresses 192.0.43.10 (IPv4) and
2001:500:88:200::10 (IPv6). Unlike a phone book, the DNS can be quickly
updated, allowing a service's location on the network to change without
affecting the end users, who continue to use the same host name. Users
take advantage of this when they recite meaningful Uniform Resource
Locators (URLs) and e-mail addresses without having to know how the
computer actually locates the services.

On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:25:00 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>I'm simply laughing at the paranoia over someone knowing your DNS or IP.
>What are they going to know and what are they going to do with the info.

Go ahead, laugh it up and make funny. But, when your kids or grand
kids get coerced into doing something stupid on Facebook and give out
some personal information that they shouldn't have, then you'll think
again.

On 2/16/2013 3:06 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 2/16/13 3:01 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 2/16/2013 12:33 PM, Richard wrote:
>>> On 2/16/2013 12:03 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think you guys have kids on your lawn that need chasing off. :-p
>>>> I took the survey just to see if there was any shenanigans going on.
>>>> None.
>>>> Poorly worded and executed survey, but harmless.
>>>> No email address required.
>>>> I'll let you know if my bank account is empty in the morning or the
>>>> mind
>>>> control rays are working.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They got your DNS address as soon as you showed up there.
>>> That not only identifies you, but your location as well.
>>
>>
>> Exactly, you don't have to knowingly give them information for them to
>> get it.
>>
>
> I hope you guys don't use cell phones. :-p
>
>
Of course I use a cell phone.
But I flat refuse to hand my phone number over to businesses.

On 2/16/2013 10:16 AM, dpb wrote:

> On 2/16/2013 10:10 AM, Leon wrote:
> ...
>
>> more seasoned and would probably jump at the chance to participate but
>> not at the chance of going to an unknown site and risk the possible
>> inherent dangers with doing so.
> ...
>
> surveymonkey.com is ok--we've used it for local community
> college-related surveys as well.

Maybe ... "redirection", especially when server side scripts are
involved, is one of the biggest phising scams on the Internet.

Leon is correct in his caution ... there are two red flags in this
instance:

Use of Usenet for the message, something for which most university
students have no clue; and the English in the message:

" ... we was wondering.. "

... this from a country where, unlike here, proper use of grammar is
taught from an early age.

Not saying it is NOT legitimate, but you can't be too careful clicking
willy nilly on links in messages these days.

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