On Apr 12, 6:52 pm, "Lee Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Steamed about Imus getting the heave-ho, eh?
>
Somebody's awake.
I never liked Imus. For the same reasons, I never liked Stern and
their ilk either.
What I like even less, is the attention whores like Sharpton and
Jackson who milked this to the point that the corporate spineless
bastards felt they had to fall in line.
It is the hypocrisy of it all. I'm willing to bet those corporations
who felt "oh so put off by all this" have boardrooms full of investors
who own shares in other corporations which publish rap 'music' which
make them a fortune with utterances far more revolting than what Imus
said (this time).
Imus screwed up, and his employers felt he had become a liability. His
own fault, out he goes...no problem with that, but I personally know
African American people who are totally pissed that the Sharptons and
Jacksons keep inflaming and capitalising on issues under the guise
that they speak for all black people. They don't.
I guess we all forgot about Hymie Town, eh?
Having said all that, whatever happened to forgiving and all that,
REVEREND Sharpton/Jackson???
Opportunistic assholes. Pure and simple.
On Apr 12, 9:18 pm, Lew Hodgett <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
>
> > I never liked Imus. For the same reasons, I never liked Stern and
> > their ilk either.
>
> That makes two of us.
>
> > What I like even less, is the attention whores like Sharpton and
> > Jackson who milked this to the point that the corporate spineless
> > bastards felt they had to fall in line.
>
> While I'm not enthralled with the likes of Sharpton and Jackson, in
> this case, they did little more than serve as the messenger.
I see that differently. Those two breathed the fire into the debate to
the point that the corporates had no choice but to act. So they
reacted.
Had just ONE of the corporates slammed his fist on his desk and said:
"Okay, that's it..out he goes!" I would have been impressed.
>
> Imus is gone because of the power of the purse, pure and simple.
He's gone because opportunistic attention whores blew it out of
proportion. What else do the Sharptons and Jacksons do? They're like
squeeling little rats going to the teacher telling that Johnny did a
bad thing and demanding a detention...naaa the corporations should
have acted themselves for it to have any real value, imho.
>
> Consumer products companies like Proctor and Gamble withdrew their
> advertising support to cover their corporate ass.
>
> They are aware they have major market penetration in the black community.
THAT is why they did it, not because they were outraged at what Imus
said.... and that is what I think stinks.
>
[snip]
>
> The market worked IMHO.
Again, they 'cut their losses'...they did not make their moves because
they were outraged.
Dollars & cents = 1
Integrity = 0
>
> Now all we have to do is wait and see how he will surface next time,
> as he surely will.
>
He can evaporate for all I care.
r
On Apr 12, 11:06 pm, "John E." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Interesting, are you saying that you're gonna boycott them only if they
> don't make something you were actually going to buy?
Nope. Never said anything about boycotting. I'm just glad I won't be
supporting a company which was incapable of making a judgement based
on a moral issue without first being goaded into it my the Sharpton/
Jackson team. those companies only acted when it started to look like
it was going to cost them money.
>
> Another interesting thing that keeps getting lost in this whole Imus
> debacle, what he said was offensive and bigoted, it doesn't matter what
> Jesse Jackson has said or done in his life, it doesn't matter what Al
> Sharpton has said or done in his life, it doesn't matter what any rapper has
> ever said or done in their lives either, what matters is that Mr. Imus was
> offensive, he was offensive to women, to blacks, to women athletes and the
> people who are related to, married to, support and or otherwise care about
> any of those groups.
I agree totally, 100%.
> He said something offensive, his bosses didn't like it, he got fired. That's
> the way it's supposed to work.
That is not what happened. The bosses didn't want to lose the golden
goose Imus, and gave him a token two-week suspension. Then Sharpton
and Jackson got noisy and breathed life into a situation which was, as
far as CBS was concerned, settled to their satisfaction.
> He isn't in prison, he hasn't been charged with a crime or been arrested, he
> just doesn't get to continue to be offensive on CBS's dime and on the public
> airwaves any longer. He's free to start his own broadcasting company and be
> offensive all day long, on his own dime.
Come on. CBS has made tons of money off Imus. They have known he was
an offensive shock-jock for years. They paid him to be that way. It
was all part of his schtick. This time, somebody got pissed off and
caught Sharpton and Jackson at a time when they hadn't been under the
TV lights for a while. Let's face it, they wanted to see Imus grovel.
Sharpton gave the illusion this could be solved by inviting Imus on
his show where he back-stabbed him. That was Imus's second screw-up.
Sharpton had a chance to stick it to whitey, and took it because he
can't help himself... it makes for good publicity.
> He's lucky the Bush administration didn't call him a enemy combatant and put
> him down in Guantanamo, then all the people who are beating their chests
> about how "unfair" it is for him to get fired for being offensive would
> actually have a legitimate argument.
>
The problem is, that Imus should have had his ass fired for what he
said, not because it was about money.
Had Imus been a real mensch, he would have resigned right then and
there.
But he isn't and didn't, because he's pond-scum.
On Apr 13, 12:41?am, "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 12, 11:06 pm, "John E." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Interesting, are you saying that you're gonna boycott them only if they
> > don't make something you were actually going to buy?
>
> Nope. Never said anything about boycotting. I'm just glad I won't be
> supporting a company which was incapable of making a judgement based
> on a moral issue without first being goaded into it my the Sharpton/
> Jackson team. those companies only acted when it started to look like
> it was going to cost them money.
>
>
>
> > Another interesting thing that keeps getting lost in this whole Imus
> > debacle, what he said was offensive and bigoted, it doesn't matter what
> > Jesse Jackson has said or done in his life, it doesn't matter what Al
> > Sharpton has said or done in his life, it doesn't matter what any rapper has
> > ever said or done in their lives either, what matters is that Mr. Imus was
> > offensive, he was offensive to women, to blacks, to women athletes and the
> > people who are related to, married to, support and or otherwise care about
> > any of those groups.
>
> I agree totally, 100%.
>
> > He said something offensive, his bosses didn't like it, he got fired. That's
> > the way it's supposed to work.
>
> That is not what happened. The bosses didn't want to lose the golden
> goose Imus, and gave him a token two-week suspension. Then Sharpton
> and Jackson got noisy and breathed life into a situation which was, as
> far as CBS was concerned, settled to their satisfaction.
>
> > He isn't in prison, he hasn't been charged with a crime or been arrested, he
> > just doesn't get to continue to be offensive on CBS's dime and on the public
> > airwaves any longer. He's free to start his own broadcasting company and be
> > offensive all day long, on his own dime.
>
> Come on. CBS has made tons of money off Imus. They have known he was
> an offensive shock-jock for years. They paid him to be that way. It
> was all part of his schtick. This time, somebody got pissed off and
> caught Sharpton and Jackson at a time when they hadn't been under the
> TV lights for a while. Let's face it, they wanted to see Imus grovel.
> Sharpton gave the illusion this could be solved by inviting Imus on
> his show where he back-stabbed him. That was Imus's second screw-up.
> Sharpton had a chance to stick it to whitey, and took it because he
> can't help himself... it makes for good publicity.
>
> > He's lucky the Bush administration didn't call him a enemy combatant and put
> > him down in Guantanamo, then all the people who are beating their chests
> > about how "unfair" it is for him to get fired for being offensive would
> > actually have a legitimate argument.
>
> The problem is, that Imus should have had his ass fired for what he
> said, not because it was about money.
> Had Imus been a real mensch, he would have resigned right then and
> there.
> But he isn't and didn't, because he's pond-scum.
Sums the entire sitcheration up quite well. There is nothing to admire
in ANY of the participants. Imus isn't the only ponod scum in the
group: Sharpton bodes well to become the moralist resurrection of the
total con man, while Jesse Jackson is a minister who has, AFAIK, never
had a church, but always had a mouth.
Charlie Self wrote:
> Sums the entire sitcheration up quite well. There is nothing to admire
> in ANY of the participants. Imus isn't the only ponod scum in the
> group: Sharpton bodes well to become the moralist resurrection of the
> total con man, while Jesse Jackson is a minister who has, AFAIK, never
> had a church, but always had a mouth.
Minister of WHAT? Not the God -I- know. And probably not the god he claims.
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Buddy Matlosz wrote:
> "Bill in Detroit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Charlie Self wrote:
>>
>>> Sums the entire sitcheration up quite well. There is nothing to admire
>>> in ANY of the participants. Imus isn't the only ponod scum in the
>>> group: Sharpton bodes well to become the moralist resurrection of the
>>> total con man, while Jesse Jackson is a minister who has, AFAIK, never
>>> had a church, but always had a mouth.
>> Minister of WHAT? Not the God -I- know. And probably not the god he
> claims.
>
> One of Jay Leno's comments on the affair tonight: Sharpton was seen recently
> with a large gash on his head. Turns out he and Jesse Jackson spotted an
> open microphone at the same time and made a dive for it.
>
> B.
>
Wanna have some fun with those guys? Give the guy with the spotlight a
$20 to keep the spotlight moving.
Like playing with kittens.
Bill
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Robatoy wrote:
> I never liked Imus. For the same reasons, I never liked Stern and
> their ilk either.
That makes two of us.
> What I like even less, is the attention whores like Sharpton and
> Jackson who milked this to the point that the corporate spineless
> bastards felt they had to fall in line.
While I'm not enthralled with the likes of Sharpton and Jackson, in
this case, they did little more than serve as the messenger.
Imus is gone because of the power of the purse, pure and simple.
Consumer products companies like Proctor and Gamble withdrew their
advertising support to cover their corporate ass.
They are aware they have major market penetration in the black community.
Why offend your good customers by supporting someone who gets a cheap
laugh at the expense of your customers such as blacks, or Latinos or
invalids or what ever other minority group that happens to be
available at the moment.
Once the advertisers left, the networks had to cut their losses, so
Imus is gone.
The market worked IMHO.
Now all we have to do is wait and see how he will surface next time,
as he surely will.
Lew
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Apr 12, 6:52 pm, "Lee Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Steamed about Imus getting the heave-ho, eh?
>>
> Somebody's awake.
>
> I never liked Imus. For the same reasons, I never liked Stern and
> their ilk either.
I agree.
> What I like even less, is the attention whores like Sharpton and
> Jackson who milked this to the point that the corporate spineless
> bastards felt they had to fall in line.
> It is the hypocrisy of it all. I'm willing to bet those corporations
> who felt "oh so put off by all this" have boardrooms full of investors
> who own shares in other corporations which publish rap 'music' which
> make them a fortune with utterances far more revolting than what Imus
> said (this time).
>
No they were pulling out to save face in case it became a pissing contest.
And I agree that "rappers" say much worse things.
> Imus screwed up, and his employers felt he had become a liability. His
> own fault, out he goes...no problem with that, but I personally know
> African American people who are totally pissed that the Sharptons and
> Jacksons keep inflaming and capitalising on issues under the guise
> that they speak for all black people. They don't.
The local news station did a piece on the Imus thing today and went out and
were asking blacks if Imus should be fired. Most said "no" and a few pointed
out that if he were black, it would even have gotten any attention.
>
> I guess we all forgot about Hymie Town, eh?
>
> Having said all that, whatever happened to forgiving and all that,
> REVEREND Sharpton/Jackson???
>
Then while reading the news about the Duke lacrosse players. Jackson, who
was defending this girl, basically said "I hope that we can put this all
behind us and move forward"
Allen
"Markem" <markem(sixoneeight)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 12 Apr 2007 12:29:27 -0700, "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Staples, General Motors, Sprint Nextel, GlaxoSmithKline, Procter &
>>Gamble, PetMed Express, American Express and Bigelow Tea.
>
> General Motors has made tools in the past, think GM has a better idea
> such as specialty tools that they can sell to the automotive techs.
>
> Mark.
GM used to own Hughes tool. Hughes tool made tools. GM did not manufacture
tools itself that I was ever aware of other than lug wrenches for the jack.
GM SOLD tools to dealers each year for new model repairs. IIRC the
manufacturer of the specialty tools in the 80's was Kent tools.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Staples, General Motors, Sprint Nextel, GlaxoSmithKline, Procter &
> Gamble, PetMed Express, American Express and Bigelow Tea.
>
> r
>
Y heck yeah. GM puts a lug wrench in every vehicle it sells.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Apr 12, 6:52 pm, "Lee Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Steamed about Imus getting the heave-ho, eh?
>>
> Somebody's awake.
>
> I never liked Imus. For the same reasons, I never liked Stern and
> their ilk either.
> What I like even less, is the attention whores like Sharpton and
> Jackson who milked this to the point that the corporate spineless
> bastards felt they had to fall in line.
> It is the hypocrisy of it all. I'm willing to bet those corporations
> who felt "oh so put off by all this" have boardrooms full of investors
> who own shares in other corporations which publish rap 'music' which
> make them a fortune with utterances far more revolting than what Imus
> said (this time).
>
> Imus screwed up, and his employers felt he had become a liability. His
> own fault, out he goes...no problem with that, but I personally know
> African American people who are totally pissed that the Sharptons and
> Jacksons keep inflaming and capitalising on issues under the guise
> that they speak for all black people. They don't.
>
> I guess we all forgot about Hymie Town, eh?
>
> Having said all that, whatever happened to forgiving and all that,
> REVEREND Sharpton/Jackson???
>
> Opportunistic assholes. Pure and simple.
Well said!
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balls to get old!"
They weren't "outraged" because there was nothing to get excited about.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> THAT is why they did it, not because they were outraged at what Imus
> said.... and that is what I think stinks.
Robatoy wrote:
> I see that differently. Those two breathed the fire into the debate to
> the point that the corporates had no choice but to act. So they
> reacted.
You go home from the dance with the one who brought you.
These guys used the tools of the system available to them.
Given those options, I would have done exactly the same thing.
The object was to punish Imus.
Objective reached by legitimate means.
Next challenge.
Lew
"Bill in Detroit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Charlie Self wrote:
>
> > Sums the entire sitcheration up quite well. There is nothing to admire
> > in ANY of the participants. Imus isn't the only ponod scum in the
> > group: Sharpton bodes well to become the moralist resurrection of the
> > total con man, while Jesse Jackson is a minister who has, AFAIK, never
> > had a church, but always had a mouth.
>
> Minister of WHAT? Not the God -I- know. And probably not the god he
claims.
>
One of Jay Leno's comments on the affair tonight: Sharpton was seen recently
with a large gash on his head. Turns out he and Jesse Jackson spotted an
open microphone at the same time and made a dive for it.
B.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>> While I'm not enthralled with the likes of Sharpton and Jackson, in
>> this case, they did little more than serve as the messenger.
>
> I see that differently. Those two breathed the fire into the debate to
> the point that the corporates had no choice but to act. So they
> reacted.
> Had just ONE of the corporates slammed his fist on his desk and said:
> "Okay, that's it..out he goes!" I would have been impressed.
The folks I work for put out a message yesterday indicating that the news
coverage portraying them as a sponsor of this show was 5 years out of date,
and _any_ of their ads around the show were in contravention of the policy.
And that they were pulling _all_ of their ads on the network to make
certain that they weren't gonna get tarnished any more by the blowup. They
spend an unbelieveable amount of ad money, and will spend it elsewhere, I
guess.
Now only if they could clean up their internal problems as quickly...
Patriarch
On 12 Apr 2007 12:29:27 -0700, "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Staples, General Motors, Sprint Nextel, GlaxoSmithKline, Procter &
>Gamble, PetMed Express, American Express and Bigelow Tea.
>
>r
Define "tool". <G>
On 12 Apr 2007 12:29:27 -0700, "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Staples, General Motors, Sprint Nextel, GlaxoSmithKline, Procter &
>Gamble, PetMed Express, American Express and Bigelow Tea.
General Motors has made tools in the past, think GM has a better idea
such as specialty tools that they can sell to the automotive techs.
Mark
Interesting, are you saying that you're gonna boycott them only if they
don't make something you were actually going to buy?
Another interesting thing that keeps getting lost in this whole Imus
debacle, what he said was offensive and bigoted, it doesn't matter what
Jesse Jackson has said or done in his life, it doesn't matter what Al
Sharpton has said or done in his life, it doesn't matter what any rapper has
ever said or done in their lives either, what matters is that Mr. Imus was
offensive, he was offensive to women, to blacks, to women athletes and the
people who are related to, married to, support and or otherwise care about
any of those groups.
He said something offensive, his bosses didn't like it, he got fired. That's
the way it's supposed to work.
He isn't in prison, he hasn't been charged with a crime or been arrested, he
just doesn't get to continue to be offensive on CBS's dime and on the public
airwaves any longer. He's free to start his own broadcasting company and be
offensive all day long, on his own dime.
He's lucky the Bush administration didn't call him a enemy combatant and put
him down in Guantanamo, then all the people who are beating their chests
about how "unfair" it is for him to get fired for being offensive would
actually have a legitimate argument.
John E.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Staples, General Motors, Sprint Nextel, GlaxoSmithKline, Procter &
> Gamble, PetMed Express, American Express and Bigelow Tea.
>
> r
>
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Staples, General Motors, Sprint Nextel, GlaxoSmithKline, Procter &
>> Gamble, PetMed Express, American Express and Bigelow Tea.
>>
>> r
>>
>
>
> Y heck yeah. GM puts a lug wrench in every vehicle it sells.
I'll bet they don't *make* them.
Max