"charlie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> i worked for the air force in the pentagon doing studies about this
> newfangled thing called the arpanet in conjunction with sri, who were in
> california. i worked on a system called multics
Ahhhh - I know multics well. A Honeywell/GE operating system - very favored
by the US Govt.
I was not aware that multics had an email capability.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"charlie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> newsgroups were around a LONG time before isp's were. back then it was
> usenet, with computers passing around newsgroup traffic between them.
> i've been using email since 1973, newsgroups since about 1985 or so, long
> before isp's were around.
>
What email were you using in 1973?
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"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Lee Michaels" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > Is it my ISP or has traffic in this newsgroup dropped? I used to see
>> > over
>> > 100 messages a day, now it's down around 50-60. This used to be one of
>> > the few newsgroups that didn't drop off in the summer or even for
>> > holidays. Now it seems it has.
>>
>> It isn't just this group. Newsgroups in general, have dropped off in
>> recent
>> years. Spammers, trolls, politics, etc. have taken their toll.
>
> All Clinton's fault.
Which one?
B.
"charlie" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "charlie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>
>>> newsgroups were around a LONG time before isp's were. back then it
>>> was usenet, with computers passing around newsgroup traffic between
>>> them. i've been using email since 1973, newsgroups since about 1985
>>> or so, long before isp's were around.
>>>
>>
>> What email were you using in 1973?
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Mike-
>> [email protected]
>
> i worked for the air force in the pentagon doing studies about this
> newfangled thing called the arpanet in conjunction with sri, who were
> in california. i worked on a system called multics, and can remember
> when the number of sites on the arpanet was numbered by the handful. i
> did one of the first studies on using this odd looking thing called a
> mouse (and also a chord keyboard) doing intercontinental document
> editing, to see if the response time was usable across the arpanet at
> what was then great distances. my office then got a new computer, a
> dec 11/45, and loaded up unix license #7 for investigation. i can
> remember when the first routers (called tips) were about the size of
> large refrigerators.
>
> if you've seen the cringley tv show on the start of the internet, i
> was involved in a lot of that early hardware.
>
> regards,
> charlie
> cave creek, az
>
>
That's the computing equivalent of being older than dirt! ;-)
A young whipper-snapper
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On Jul 9, 6:59=A0am, Limp Arbor <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jul 8, 11:56=A0am, Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Is it my ISP or has traffic in this newsgroup dropped? =A0I used to see=
over
> > 100 messages a day, now it's down around 50-60. =A0This used to be one =
of
> > the few newsgroups that didn't drop off in the summer or even for
> > holidays. =A0Now it seems it has.
>
> My guess is that many dorkers switched over to Vito's group where
> there are no posts about smelly tools.
It could also be that Google groups is not working correctly. I
posted the above early this morning (0700 hrs) and it didn't show in
google until after 1400 hrs.
I'm going to try and re-establish a connection through Comcast since
they recently bought my non-newsgroup ISP.
On Jul 8, 11:56=A0am, Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
> Is it my ISP or has traffic in this newsgroup dropped? =A0I used to see o=
ver
> 100 messages a day, now it's down around 50-60. =A0This used to be one of
> the few newsgroups that didn't drop off in the summer or even for
> holidays. =A0Now it seems it has.
My guess is that many dorkers switched over to Vito's group where
there are no posts about smelly tools.
On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:56:46 -0700, Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Is it my ISP or has traffic in this newsgroup dropped? I used to see over
>100 messages a day, now it's down around 50-60. This used to be one of
>the few newsgroups that didn't drop off in the summer or even for
>holidays. Now it seems it has.
I subscribe to over 20 newsgroups and all of them have reduced
activity. I have been using newsgroups since 1989. Back then there
were very few spammers, floods, and off-topic posts. With some
newsgroups I have dropped them in favor of moderated forums, although
the responses can be quite slow.
Pat Barber <[email protected]> writes:
> 1989 ???
>
> What ISP were you using then ?
You didn't need an ISP. We used modems....
1989 ???
What ISP were you using then ?
Phisherman wrote:
>
> I subscribe to over 20 newsgroups and all of them have reduced
> activity. I have been using newsgroups since 1989. Back then there
> were very few spammers, floods, and off-topic posts. With some
> newsgroups I have dropped them in favor of moderated forums, although
> the responses can be quite slow.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:uSNck.678$HY.470
@trnddc01:
> "Larry Blanchard" wrote:
>
>> Is it my ISP or has traffic in this newsgroup dropped?
>
> It has dropped significantly below pre 06/24/2008 levels.
>
> Lew
>
Yep, another Verizon man.
Hang in there, Lew!
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Best regards
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You are surely referring to either colleges and/or
military. I have been the computing business for
38 years and so I speak from experience.
charlie wrote:
> newsgroups were around a LONG time before isp's were. back then it was
> usenet, with computers passing around newsgroup traffic between them. i've
> been using email since 1973, newsgroups since about 1985 or so, long before
> isp's were around.
>
> regards,
> charlie
> cave creek, az
>
>
On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:55:38 GMT, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Larry Blanchard" wrote:
>
>> Is it my ISP or has traffic in this newsgroup dropped?
>
>It has dropped significantly below pre 06/24/2008 levels.
>
>Lew
>
But, if you drop the spam flood that we had out of the numbers, it hasn't
dropped nearly as much..
mac
Please remove splinters before emailing
On Jul 8, 8:11=A0pm, "Buddy Matlosz" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Lee Michaels" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> "Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >> > Is it my ISP or has traffic in this newsgroup dropped? =A0I used to =
see
> >> > over
> >> > 100 messages a day, now it's down around 50-60. =A0This used to be o=
ne of
> >> > the few newsgroups that didn't drop off in the summer or even for
> >> > holidays. =A0Now it seems it has.
>
> >> It isn't just this group. =A0Newsgroups in general, have dropped off i=
n
> >> recent
> >> years. =A0Spammers, trolls, politics, etc. have taken their toll.
>
> > All Clinton's fault.
>
> Which one?
>
> B.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
George
"Pat Barber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> 1989 ???
>
> What ISP were you using then ?
>
> Phisherman wrote:
>
>>
>> I subscribe to over 20 newsgroups and all of them have reduced
>> activity. I have been using newsgroups since 1989. Back then there
>> were very few spammers, floods, and off-topic posts. With some
>> newsgroups I have dropped them in favor of moderated forums, although
>> the responses can be quite slow.
newsgroups were around a LONG time before isp's were. back then it was
usenet, with computers passing around newsgroup traffic between them. i've
been using email since 1973, newsgroups since about 1985 or so, long before
isp's were around.
regards,
charlie
cave creek, az
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "charlie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>> newsgroups were around a LONG time before isp's were. back then it was
>> usenet, with computers passing around newsgroup traffic between them.
>> i've been using email since 1973, newsgroups since about 1985 or so, long
>> before isp's were around.
>>
>
> What email were you using in 1973?
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
i worked for the air force in the pentagon doing studies about this
newfangled thing called the arpanet in conjunction with sri, who were in
california. i worked on a system called multics, and can remember when the
number of sites on the arpanet was numbered by the handful. i did one of the
first studies on using this odd looking thing called a mouse (and also a
chord keyboard) doing intercontinental document editing, to see if the
response time was usable across the arpanet at what was then great
distances. my office then got a new computer, a dec 11/45, and loaded up
unix license #7 for investigation. i can remember when the first routers
(called tips) were about the size of large refrigerators.
if you've seen the cringley tv show on the start of the internet, i was
involved in a lot of that early hardware.
regards,
charlie
cave creek, az
"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:46:30 -0400, Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> Ahhhh - I know multics well. A Honeywell/GE operating system - very
>> favored
>> by the US Govt.
>
> We had Multics on a GE635 at Hughes Aircraft around 1966 or so. I
> remember running a job and having the source listing come out on one
> printer, the link edit list on another, and the actual program output on a
> third :-).
that would be a pretty good trick for 1966. multics never ran on a ge635. at
that point, there was a multics emulator that ran on a ge635. the actual
ge645 was developed from a ge635, by adding special hardware. multics only
ran natively on the 645.
from the multics history at
ftp://ftp.stratus.com/vos/multics/tvv/history.html:
A GE-635 was delivered to Project MAC in August 1965 for use running the 645
simulator. The 645 was delivered to Project MAC in January 1967, and the
system was self hosting by the end of 1968.
the first 'customer' was mit, and as noted:
MIT's Multics was finally opened for paying customers in October 1969,
several years later than planned. Responsibility for running the GE-645 was
transferred from Project MAC to MIT's Information Processing Center. Pioneer
users of the system put up with a lot: crashes, poor response, constant
change, arrogance from developers, and inexplicably missing features. The
Multics developers and the MIT Information Processing Center management
worked furiously to fix problems and make good on overdue promises, and to
stave off abandonment of the system by ARPA, GE, or large MIT users.
the second customer was RADC in 1970:
The second Multics site was at Rome Air Development Center, Griffiss AFB,
Rome, New York. Some research done at this site was classified intelligence
studies. RADC also studied software engineering and software tools.
hughes aircraft was never a multics site. you may have been running the
'other' honeywell os called gecos.
i worked in multics software development for honeywell 1977-1986 and my
fingers were in a lot of places in the system code there.
>
> I've still got the preliminary manual for the IDS database, the first one
> commercially available IIRC.
ids never ran on multics. the database available for it was mrds, which was
an implementation of ibm's relational database language. since mrds predated
db/2, we claimed that honeywell had the first commercially available
relational database system. i was involved in a project to replace it in the
mid-80's, just before the time i left honeywell.
> By that time I'd been programming computers for about 10 years - yes, I am
> that old :-).
regards,
charlie
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"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Is it my ISP or has traffic in this newsgroup dropped? I used to see over
> 100 messages a day, now it's down around 50-60. This used to be one of
> the few newsgroups that didn't drop off in the summer or even for
> holidays. Now it seems it has.
It isn't just this group. Newsgroups in general, have dropped off in recent
years. Spammers, trolls, politics, etc. have taken their toll.
On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:56:46 -0700, Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Is it my ISP or has traffic in this newsgroup dropped? I used to see over
>100 messages a day, now it's down around 50-60. This used to be one of
>the few newsgroups that didn't drop off in the summer or even for
>holidays. Now it seems it has.
POSTS MADE 4/23 - 5/23 DURING FOLLOWING YEARS
YEAR TOTAL POSTS
2008 4010
2007 3910
2006 6750
2005 7380
2004 11500
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Lee Michaels" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > Is it my ISP or has traffic in this newsgroup dropped? I used to see
>> > over
>> > 100 messages a day, now it's down around 50-60. This used to be one of
>> > the few newsgroups that didn't drop off in the summer or even for
>> > holidays. Now it seems it has.
>>
>> It isn't just this group. Newsgroups in general, have dropped off in
>> recent
>> years. Spammers, trolls, politics, etc. have taken their toll.
>
> All Clinton's fault.
Right on!
On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:46:30 -0400, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Ahhhh - I know multics well. A Honeywell/GE operating system - very favored
> by the US Govt.
We had Multics on a GE635 at Hughes Aircraft around 1966 or so. I
remember running a job and having the source listing come out on one
printer, the link edit list on another, and the actual program output on a
third :-).
I've still got the preliminary manual for the IDS database, the first one
commercially available IIRC.
By that time I'd been programming computers for about 10 years - yes, I am
that old :-).
On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:37:35 -0400, tjwatson1 wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:56:46 -0700, Larry Blanchard
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Is it my ISP or has traffic in this newsgroup dropped? I used to see over
>>100 messages a day, now it's down around 50-60. This used to be one of
>>the few newsgroups that didn't drop off in the summer or even for
>>holidays. Now it seems it has.
>
>
> POSTS MADE 4/23 - 5/23 DURING FOLLOWING YEARS
>
> YEAR TOTAL POSTS
> 2008 4010
> 2007 3910
> 2006 6750
> 2005 7380
> 2004 11500
Interesting - where'd you get the data?
I suspect the poster who pointed the finger at all the ISPs who are
dropping Usenet has the answer to the recent (last month or two) dropoff.
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:17:54 -0700, charlie wrote:
> that would be a pretty good trick for 1966. multics never ran on a ge635. at
> that point, there was a multics emulator that ran on a ge635. the actual
> ge645 was developed from a ge635, by adding special hardware. multics only
> ran natively on the 645.
Could be - my memory is a little fuzzy back that far. I think a local
service bureau had a 645 a few years later.
In article <[email protected]>,
"Lee Michaels" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Is it my ISP or has traffic in this newsgroup dropped? I used to see over
> > 100 messages a day, now it's down around 50-60. This used to be one of
> > the few newsgroups that didn't drop off in the summer or even for
> > holidays. Now it seems it has.
>
> It isn't just this group. Newsgroups in general, have dropped off in recent
> years. Spammers, trolls, politics, etc. have taken their toll.
All Clinton's fault.