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Zz Yzx

21/12/2010 5:25 PM

HELP: old planes, new blades/chip breakers

I've been restoring a few old Stanley planes for use. I've been
fitting out most of them with Hock blades and Clifton chip breakers.
Most have come out as excellent users.

I have a Sweetheart vintage No. 3 that I've brought to
near-perfection. Except for ONE detail:

When I use the Hock iron and the Clifton chip breaker, I can't adjust
the blade to zero cut; it still protrudes 1/16" or so from the sole.

AN obvious solution is to grind the Hock blade back enough, but I
don't have the equipment.

Any alternatives?

Thanks a heap.

-Zz


This topic has 4 replies

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RicodJour

in reply to Zz Yzx on 21/12/2010 5:25 PM

22/12/2010 6:13 AM

On Dec 22, 3:53=A0am, "Jeff Gorman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Zz Yzx" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > I've been restoring a few old Stanley planes for use. =A0I've been
> > fitting out most of them with Hock blades and Clifton chip breakers.
> > Most have come out as excellent users.
>
> > I have a Sweetheart vintage No. 3 that I've brought to
> > near-perfection. Except for ONE detail:
>
> > When I use the Hock iron and the Clifton chip breaker, I can't adjust
> > the blade to zero cut; it still protrudes 1/16" =A0or so from the sole.
>
> > AN obvious solution is to grind the Hock blade back enough, but I
> > don't have the equipment.
>
> > Any alternatives?
>
> Yes, this is a well-known problem when using blades thicker than the
> Stanley/Record standard. You need either to extend the reach of the yoke =
-
> by brazing or silver soldering an extension or soldering tabs to the cap
> iron above and below the yoke aperture. These need to fit inside the slot=
in
> the blade.
>
> Both are tricky jobs, but altering the blade will not solve the problem.
>
> I think that somewhere in UKWorkshop forum's archive you might find pics
> illustrating these jobs. I wrote a piece in the British Good Woodworking =
mag
> in Autumn 2006, Issue 180.

There's nothing like a little British understatement - in the US we
have Fine Woodworking. ;)

R

FH

Father Haskell

in reply to Zz Yzx on 21/12/2010 5:25 PM

21/12/2010 6:13 PM

On Dec 21, 8:25=A0pm, Zz Yzx <[email protected]> wrote:
> I've been restoring a few old Stanley planes for use. =A0I've been
> fitting out most of them with Hock blades and Clifton chip breakers.
> Most have come out as excellent users.
>
> I have a Sweetheart vintage No. 3 that I've brought to
> near-perfection. Except for ONE detail:
>
> When I use the Hock iron and the Clifton chip breaker, I can't adjust
> the blade to zero cut; it still protrudes 1/16" =A0or so from the sole.
>
> AN obvious solution is to grind the Hock blade back enough, but I
> don't have the equipment.
>
> Any alternatives?
>
> Thanks a heap.
>
> -Zz

60 grit alox paper. Eclipse guide. Lots of elbow grease.

JG

"Jeff Gorman"

in reply to Zz Yzx on 21/12/2010 5:25 PM

22/12/2010 8:53 AM


"Zz Yzx" <[email protected]> wrote

> I've been restoring a few old Stanley planes for use. I've been
> fitting out most of them with Hock blades and Clifton chip breakers.
> Most have come out as excellent users.
>
> I have a Sweetheart vintage No. 3 that I've brought to
> near-perfection. Except for ONE detail:
>
> When I use the Hock iron and the Clifton chip breaker, I can't adjust
> the blade to zero cut; it still protrudes 1/16" or so from the sole.
>
> AN obvious solution is to grind the Hock blade back enough, but I
> don't have the equipment.
>
> Any alternatives?

Yes, this is a well-known problem when using blades thicker than the
Stanley/Record standard. You need either to extend the reach of the yoke -
by brazing or silver soldering an extension or soldering tabs to the cap
iron above and below the yoke aperture. These need to fit inside the slot in
the blade.

Both are tricky jobs, but altering the blade will not solve the problem.

I think that somewhere in UKWorkshop forum's archive you might find pics
illustrating these jobs. I wrote a piece in the British Good Woodworking mag
in Autumn 2006, Issue 180.

Jeff

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ISP is clara.co.uk
www.amgron.clara.net

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to Zz Yzx on 21/12/2010 5:25 PM

22/12/2010 5:50 AM

On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:53:11 -0000, "Jeff Gorman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Zz Yzx" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> I've been restoring a few old Stanley planes for use. I've been
>> fitting out most of them with Hock blades and Clifton chip breakers.
>> Most have come out as excellent users.
>>
>> I have a Sweetheart vintage No. 3 that I've brought to
>> near-perfection. Except for ONE detail:
>>
>> When I use the Hock iron and the Clifton chip breaker, I can't adjust
>> the blade to zero cut; it still protrudes 1/16" or so from the sole.
>>
>> AN obvious solution is to grind the Hock blade back enough, but I
>> don't have the equipment.
>>
>> Any alternatives?
>
>Yes, this is a well-known problem when using blades thicker than the
>Stanley/Record standard. You need either to extend the reach of the yoke -
>by brazing or silver soldering an extension or soldering tabs to the cap
>iron above and below the yoke aperture. These need to fit inside the slot in
>the blade.
>
>Both are tricky jobs, but altering the blade will not solve the problem.

True, but 1/16" goes pretty quickly on a coarse, 2x6" diamond honing
plate, and you'll only have to do it once every other generation. Your
grandkids will need to replace the blade, but your kids won't. ;)

--
Remember, in an emergency, dial 1911.


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