On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:38:21 +0000, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> One (unconfirmed) study, and one magazine article written by a science
> writer who can't spell 'metastasizing' - I'm not normally one to pick
> on people's spelling, but (a) people who are paid for writing ought
> to be able to do it properly!, and (b) the fact that he or she is
> unable to spell the word suggests unfamiliarity with it, which
> further suggests that he or she doesn't know spit about cancer.
I'm an avid short-wave radio listener, and Radio Sweden have had news
reports about the Karolinska Institut's studies on cell phones for
several years. I don't recall any of these studies suggesting much of
any increased risk for cancer -- if there had been such a study, it
would have been trumpeted in the rest of the world's media the way this
latest study has gotten attention.
It reminds me of the ginned-up acrylamide scare from several years back.
Apparently, if you cook starches at high temperatures, you'll get small
quantities of a chemical that can cause cancer if you give it to rats in
ridiculously large quantities. This was true of all starches in
general, but most of the media outlets reported it as "Potato chips and
french fries can kill you!" Sure -- but organic baked breads contain
the same chemical. Why aren't reporting that *these* can kill you, too?
Needless to say, when further studies came out suggesting that the risk
in the original study was overstated, these further studies got almost
no attention
--
Ted S.
fedya at hughes dot net
Now blogging at http://justacineast.blogspot.com
One of the issues that are forgotten is there are other fields
than electro-magnetic-Field.
IEEE looked at a study and mused the issue was really the Magnetic field
that is 90 degrees out of phase (not in time) than that of the electro-magnetic.
Test types think electrical - must be the EMF.
Martin
Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
TSRA, Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member.
http://lufkinced.com/
E Z Peaces wrote:
> Marc Dashevsky wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> [email protected] says...
>>> In 1979, epidemiologists Leeper and Wertheimer did a small study of
>>> childhood leukemia in Denver. It wasn't set up to see if power lines
>>> were a factor. In analyzing the data Wertheimer happened to notice
>>> that kids living within two doors of a pole transformer seemed to
>>> have an increased risk. She knew this was not conclusive.
>>
>> Interesting -- it was transformer on normal power lines, not
>> living near high-power lines. It could easily have been the
>> PCBs in the transformers that contributed to the effect, if
>> indeed there is one.
>>
> She assumed transformers emitted EMFs. Based on this, the National
> Cancer Institute did a larger study in which they made measurements at
> homes, schools, and workplaces to see each person's exposure. They
> found no increased risk of various cancers.
>
> I don't know if pole transformers emit much EMF or PCB.
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J. Clarke wrote:
> Martin H. Eastburn wrote:
>> One of the issues that are forgotten is there are other fields
>> than electro-magnetic-Field.
>>
>> IEEE looked at a study and mused the issue was really the Magnetic
>> field
>> that is 90 degrees out of phase (not in time) than that of the
>> electro-magnetic.
>
I think the issue is the magnetic field is 90 our of phase with the
electric field. When speaking of the electro-magnetic, then a 3-D
waveform is being described in part.
And yes I know the various Physics forces - I am a Physicist.
Behind me is "String Theory and M-Theory" the latest book of everything.
Martin
> The "magnetic field" _is_ electro-magnetic. There's no need for a
> "study" for any electrical engineer to tell you that the magnetic
> field is 90 degrees out of phase with the electric field--this is
> something that you learn in your first electrical engineering course.
> But both the electric and the magnetic field are electro-magnetic.
>
> The only "fields" known to physics that are not electromagnetic are
> gravitation and the strong nuclear force. If you read an older
> physics text you'll find mention of a "weak nuclear" field--more
> recent ones will tell you that the weak nuclear interaction is also
> electromagnetic.
>
>> Test types think electrical - must be the EMF.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> Martin H. Eastburn
>> @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated
>> dot
>> net
>> TSRA, Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's
>> Medal.
>> NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
>> IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member.
>> http://lufkinced.com/
>>
>>
>> E Z Peaces wrote:
>>> Marc Dashevsky wrote:
>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>> [email protected] says...
>>>>> In 1979, epidemiologists Leeper and Wertheimer did a small study
>>>>> of
>>>>> childhood leukemia in Denver. It wasn't set up to see if power
>>>>> lines were a factor. In analyzing the data Wertheimer happened
>>>>> to
>>>>> notice that kids living within two doors of a pole transformer
>>>>> seemed to have an increased risk. She knew this was not
>>>>> conclusive.
>>>> Interesting -- it was transformer on normal power lines, not
>>>> living near high-power lines. It could easily have been the
>>>> PCBs in the transformers that contributed to the effect, if
>>>> indeed there is one.
>>>>
>>> She assumed transformers emitted EMFs. Based on this, the National
>>> Cancer Institute did a larger study in which they made measurements
>>> at homes, schools, and workplaces to see each person's exposure.
>>> They found no increased risk of various cancers.
>>>
>>> I don't know if pole transformers emit much EMF or PCB.
>>
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NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member.
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E Z Peaces wrote:
> Martin H. Eastburn wrote:
>> One of the issues that are forgotten is there are other fields
>> than electro-magnetic-Field.
>>
>> IEEE looked at a study and mused the issue was really the Magnetic field
>> that is 90 degrees out of phase (not in time) than that of the
>> electro-magnetic.
>>
>> Test types think electrical - must be the EMF.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> Martin H. Eastburn
>> @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
>> TSRA, Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
>> NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
>> IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member.
>> http://lufkinced.com/
>>
>>
>
>
> I have wondered if both electric and magnetic fields were suspect. This
> page lists magnetic but not electric fields:
> http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/risk/
>
> This page speaks of magnetic fields and emf but not electric fields:
> http://www.blockemf.com/catalog/article_info.php?articles_id=2
>
> These people sell emf-protection gear but point out that emf has not
> been shown to cause cancer in lab animals.
We always used EMF for electro-motive force. err - battery stuff
or potential difference between two points. So one has more to
wonder on the fuzzy report that uses terms that can be hiding
or confusing the facts. When I studied E&M we were more careful.
Martin
>
> The page says two mothers of cancer patients in Omaha found nine more
> kids with cancer within a mile, and there was an electrical substation
> in the same area. To call that proof sounds like the Salem Witch Trials.
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Rob sez:>>>> I've got another busy weekend coming up so the answer page will be
>>>> posted early tomorrow morning.
thanks, but no thanks.
Bob Swinney
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Ed Huntress wrote:
> "Barbara Bailey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Ed Huntress" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>> 1368: A drying frame for some kind of skin or pelt.
>> Looks more like the frame for forming the outer rim of a snowshoe to me.
>
> Yeah, that sounds better. In fact, now that you mention it, it looks a lot
> like the mold I made for forming laminated trout net frames over 30 years
> ago. It's a similar shape.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
>
>
One summer I set my laminated trout nets under a bridge every time it
rained. I didn't catch any trout. I've been told that laminated trout
are so waterproof that they don't bother to take shelter under bridges. :)
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
Roger Haar wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Item 1363 is an antique version of the famous aluminum foil helmet,
> see:
>
> http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
>
> They are used to protect one's brain from invasive radio waves. (wink wink)
>
> Thanks
> Roger Haar
Laugh if you want Roger, but the word is that cell phones can cause
serious problems. A tim foil hat might be just the thing afterall!
--
Richard
(remove the X to email)
On Jul 24, 11:18=A0pm, "DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2008-07-24, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I've got another busy weekend coming up so the answer page will be post=
ed
> > early tomorrow morning.
>
> >http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 O.K. =A0Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always.
>
> 1363) =A0 Some kind of folding carrier for something? =A0I'd be intereste=
d
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 in seeing it in its folded state too, to see how small it=
gets.
>
> 1364) =A0 Looks like a tool for bending a wire at a specific radius.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 About the right size for bending the leads on a carbon
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 composition resistor prior to mounting it on a printed ci=
rcuit
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 board -- except that those usually bend both ends at the =
same
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 time, and are not as old as this appears to be. =A0Plasti=
c is
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 usually sufficient for this task, not forged or cast meta=
l.
>
> 1365) =A0 Gathering hay as it is sheared?
>
> 1366) =A0 No real clue (nor even a guess) on this one.
>
> 1367) =A0 A grapple which is dropped with the fingers pointing out
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 in a radial pattern, and either when it hits in the cente=
r or
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 when the rope pulls on it, the fingers all snap down to g=
rasp
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 whatever it was tossed onto.
>
> 1368) =A0 Looks like a frame for bending the sides of a dulcimer or
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 similar musical instrument.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Now to see what others have guessed.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Enjoy,
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 DoN.
>
> --
> =A0Email: =A0 <[email protected]> =A0 | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4=
564
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 (too) near Washington D.C. |http://www.d-and-d.com/dnicho=
ls/DoN.html
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero =
---
Don,
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've got another busy weekend coming up so the answer page will be posted
> early tomorrow morning.
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
1363: A brassiere-drying frame for women who have had breast implants. These
come in pairs, usually.
1365: A deer chiller, to keep the chest cavity open while the dead deer is
cooling off.
1366: A stick with a piece of metal on the end of it.
1377: A grapple for something dead that's sunk to the bottom.
1368: A drying frame for some kind of skin or pelt.
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> I've got another busy weekend coming up so the answer page will be
>>> posted early tomorrow morning.
>>>
>>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>> 1365: A deer chiller, to keep the chest cavity open while the dead deer
>> is cooling off.
>
>
> Although I found this one at the whitetail museum, it isn't directly
> related to deer, but it would have been used by an outdoorsman.
>
>
> Rob
Then, it's good for hanging and drying wet socks. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote:
>
> One of the issues that are forgotten is there are other fields
> than electro-magnetic-Field.
>
> IEEE looked at a study and mused the issue was really the Magnetic
> field that is 90 degrees out of phase (not in time) than that of
> the electro-magnetic.
>
> Test types think electrical - must be the EMF.
Please do not top-post. Your answer belongs after (or intermixed
with) the quoted material to which you reply, after snipping all
irrelevant material.
As it is you have completely lost the preceding messages. See how
the message to which you responded was arranged, and also see the
following links:
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Try the download section.
"Barbara Bailey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Ed Huntress" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> I've got another busy weekend coming up so the answer page will be
>>> posted early tomorrow morning.
>>>
>>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>>
>
>> 1368: A drying frame for some kind of skin or pelt.
>
> Looks more like the frame for forming the outer rim of a snowshoe to me.
Yeah, that sounds better. In fact, now that you mention it, it looks a lot
like the mold I made for forming laminated trout net frames over 30 years
ago. It's a similar shape.
--
Ed Huntress
"E Z Peaces" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "Barbara Bailey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "Ed Huntress" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> I've got another busy weekend coming up so the answer page will be
>>>>> posted early tomorrow morning.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>> 1368: A drying frame for some kind of skin or pelt.
>>> Looks more like the frame for forming the outer rim of a snowshoe to me.
>>
>> Yeah, that sounds better. In fact, now that you mention it, it looks a
>> lot like the mold I made for forming laminated trout net frames over 30
>> years ago. It's a similar shape.
>>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
> One summer I set my laminated trout nets under a bridge every time it
> rained. I didn't catch any trout. I've been told that laminated trout
> are so waterproof that they don't bother to take shelter under bridges. :)
We've had to abandon fishing for solid trout because they're full of knots
these days, and modern adhesives are so good that a laminated trout is as
good as any other. And they don't split so easily. d8-)
--
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"Robert Swinney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Rob sez:>>>> I've got another busy weekend coming up so the answer page
> will be
>>>>> posted early tomorrow morning.
>
> thanks, but no thanks.
>
> Bob Swinney
>
> "E Z Peaces" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "Barbara Bailey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "Ed Huntress" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>> 1368: A drying frame for some kind of skin or pelt.
>>> Looks more like the frame for forming the outer rim of a snowshoe to me.
>>
>> Yeah, that sounds better. In fact, now that you mention it, it looks a
>> lot
>> like the mold I made for forming laminated trout net frames over 30 years
>> ago. It's a similar shape.
>>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
>>
>>
> One summer I set my laminated trout nets under a bridge every time it
> rained. I didn't catch any trout. I've been told that laminated trout
> are so waterproof that they don't bother to take shelter under bridges. :)
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
OK. You guys have made your point. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
On Jul 24, 11:18=A0pm, "DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2008-07-24, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I've got another busy weekend coming up so the answer page will be post=
ed
> > early tomorrow morning.
>
> >http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 O.K. =A0Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always.
>
> 1363) =A0 Some kind of folding carrier for something? =A0I'd be intereste=
d
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 in seeing it in its folded state too, to see how small it=
gets.
>
> 1364) =A0 Looks like a tool for bending a wire at a specific radius.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 About the right size for bending the leads on a carbon
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 composition resistor prior to mounting it on a printed ci=
rcuit
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 board -- except that those usually bend both ends at the =
same
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 time, and are not as old as this appears to be. =A0Plasti=
c is
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 usually sufficient for this task, not forged or cast meta=
l.
>
> 1365) =A0 Gathering hay as it is sheared?
>
> 1366) =A0 No real clue (nor even a guess) on this one.
>
> 1367) =A0 A grapple which is dropped with the fingers pointing out
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 in a radial pattern, and either when it hits in the cente=
r or
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 when the rope pulls on it, the fingers all snap down to g=
rasp
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 whatever it was tossed onto.
>
> 1368) =A0 Looks like a frame for bending the sides of a dulcimer or
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 similar musical instrument.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Now to see what others have guessed.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Enjoy,
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 DoN.
>
> --
> =A0Email: =A0 <[email protected]> =A0 | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4=
564
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 (too) near Washington D.C. |http://www.d-and-d.com/dnicho=
ls/DoN.html
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero =
---
Don, I think you're thinking of this: http://www.americanartifacts.com/smma=
/grain/crad1.gif
Nahmie
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 02:30:18 -0400, CBFalconer
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote:
>>
>> One of the issues that are forgotten is there are other fields
>> than electro-magnetic-Field.
>>
>> IEEE looked at a study and mused the issue was really the Magnetic
>> field that is 90 degrees out of phase (not in time) than that of
>> the electro-magnetic.
>>
>> Test types think electrical - must be the EMF.
>
>Please do not top-post. Your answer belongs after (or intermixed
>with) the quoted material to which you reply, after snipping all
>irrelevant material.
>
>As it is you have completely lost the preceding messages. See how
>the message to which you responded was arranged, and also see the
>following links:
>
> <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>
> <http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>
> <http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html>
> <http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/> (taming google)
> <http://members.fortunecity.com/nnqweb/> (newusers)
Howdy,
I've always found it interesting that folks who top-post
(and sometimes insist on doing so) understand the issue
perfectly when they post multiple comments within the
message to which they are responding.
When they do that, they NEVER top-post. That is, their
individual comments always appear beneath those to which
they are responding.
All the best,
--
Kenneth
If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> Roger Haar wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Item 1363 is an antique version of the famous aluminum foil helmet,
> > see:
> >
> > http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
> >
> > They are used to protect one's brain from invasive radio waves. (wink wink)
> >
> > Thanks
> > Roger Haar
>
>
> Laugh if you want Roger, but the word is that cell phones can cause
> serious problems. A tim foil hat might be just the thing afterall!
From where can I hear this word?
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In article <[email protected]=
m>,=20
[email protected] says...
> On Jul 24, 4:11=A0pm, Marc Dashevsky <[email protected]> wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>, cavel...@X=
earthlink.net says...
> >
> > > > Item 1363 is an antique version of the famous aluminum foil helmet,=
see:
> > > > http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
> > > > They are used to protect one's brain from invasive radio waves. (wi=
nk wink)
> > >
> > > Laugh if you want Roger, but the word is that cell phones can cause
> > > serious problems. =A0A tim foil hat might be just the thing afterall!
> >
> > From where can I hear this word?
>=20
> http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/conditions/07/23/cancer.cell.phones.ap/ind=
ex.html
Thanks. Good article. It doesn't persuade me, but it is responsibly
written and explains the evidence, or lack thereof, well.
Years ago some people were concerned that high power lines caused cancer
in people living near them. Scientists could come up with no explanation
for how such a weak electric field could cause cancer. I recall hearing
of a study in Europe that showed that it was the herbicide used to keep
the lines clear of vegetation that was causing the cancer. Can anyone
confirm this or is it apocryphal?
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> In 1979, epidemiologists Leeper and Wertheimer did a small study of
> childhood leukemia in Denver. It wasn't set up to see if power lines
> were a factor. In analyzing the data Wertheimer happened to notice that
> kids living within two doors of a pole transformer seemed to have an
> increased risk. She knew this was not conclusive.
Interesting -- it was transformer on normal power lines, not
living near high-power lines. It could easily have been the
PCBs in the transformers that contributed to the effect, if
indeed there is one.
--
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"Ed Huntress" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I've got another busy weekend coming up so the answer page will be
>> posted early tomorrow morning.
>>
>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
> 1368: A drying frame for some kind of skin or pelt.
Looks more like the frame for forming the outer rim of a snowshoe to me.
On Jul 25, 2:13=A0am, Marc Dashevsky <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected].=
com>,
> [email protected] says...
>
> > On Jul 24, 4:11=A0pm, Marc Dashevsky <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > In article <[email protected]>, cavel...=
@Xearthlink.net says...
>
> > > > > Item 1363 is an antique version of the famous aluminum foil helme=
t, see:
> > > > >http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
> > > > > They are used to protect one's brain from invasive radio waves. (=
wink wink)
>
> > > > Laugh if you want Roger, but the word is that cell phones can cause
> > > > serious problems. =A0A tim foil hat might be just the thing afteral=
l!
>
> > > From where can I hear this word?
>
> >http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/conditions/07/23/cancer.cell.phones.ap...
>
> Thanks. =A0Good article. =A0It doesn't persuade me, but it is responsibly
> written and explains the evidence, or lack thereof, well.
>
> Years ago some people were concerned that high power lines caused cancer
> in people living near them. =A0Scientists could come up with no explanati=
on
> for how such a weak electric field could cause cancer. =A0I recall hearin=
g
> of a study in Europe that showed that it was the herbicide used to keep
> the lines clear of vegetation that was causing the cancer. =A0Can anyone
> confirm this or is it apocryphal?
>
> --
> =A0 Go tohttp://MarcDashevsky.comto send me e-mail.
I use a bluetooth headset, not to prevent irradiation. It's because
those little phones are really uncomfortable to hold to your head.
Karl
On Jul 24, 4:11=A0pm, Marc Dashevsky <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, cavel...@Xea=
rthlink.net says...
>
>
>
> > Roger Haar wrote:
> > > Hi,
>
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0Item 1363 is an antique version of the famous aluminum foi=
l helmet,
> > > see:
>
> > >http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
>
> > > They are used to protect one's brain from invasive radio waves. (wink=
wink)
>
> > > Thanks
> > > =A0Roger Haar
>
> > Laugh if you want Roger, but the word is that cell phones can cause
> > serious problems. =A0A tim foil hat might be just the thing afterall!
>
> From where can I hear this word?
>
> --
> =A0 Go tohttp://MarcDashevsky.comto send me e-mail.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/conditions/07/23/cancer.cell.phones.ap/index=
.html
> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I've got another busy weekend coming up so the answer page will be posted
>> early tomorrow morning.
>>
>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
> 1365: A deer chiller, to keep the chest cavity open while the dead deer is
> cooling off.
Although I found this one at the whitetail museum, it isn't directly related
to deer, but it would have been used by an outdoorsman.
Rob
Marc Dashevsky wrote:
> >
> >
> > Laugh if you want Roger, but the word is that cell phones can cause
> > serious problems. A tim foil hat might be just the thing afterall!
From where can I hear this word?
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-02/afot-cpl021408.php
http://healthcare.zdnet.com/?p=1175
--
Steve W.
Marc Dashevsky wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>> On Jul 24, 4:11 pm, Marc Dashevsky <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>>
>>>>> Item 1363 is an antique version of the famous aluminum foil helmet, see:
>>>>> http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
>>>>> They are used to protect one's brain from invasive radio waves. (wink wink)
>>>> Laugh if you want Roger, but the word is that cell phones can cause
>>>> serious problems. A tim foil hat might be just the thing afterall!
>>> From where can I hear this word?
>> http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/conditions/07/23/cancer.cell.phones.ap/index.html
>
> Thanks. Good article. It doesn't persuade me, but it is responsibly
> written and explains the evidence, or lack thereof, well.
>
> Years ago some people were concerned that high power lines caused cancer
> in people living near them. Scientists could come up with no explanation
> for how such a weak electric field could cause cancer. I recall hearing
> of a study in Europe that showed that it was the herbicide used to keep
> the lines clear of vegetation that was causing the cancer. Can anyone
> confirm this or is it apocryphal?
>
In 1979, epidemiologists Leeper and Wertheimer did a small study of
childhood leukemia in Denver. It wasn't set up to see if power lines
were a factor. In analyzing the data Wertheimer happened to notice that
kids living within two doors of a pole transformer seemed to have an
increased risk. She knew this was not conclusive.
That led to lots of studies on emfs and cancer. Savitz was probably the
leading epidemiologist in the field. To this day, people who say
there's a link cite him. He presented evidence of links, but in the
1990s he reviewed his studies and others and announced that no
connection had been shown. He said the science of epidemiology was not
advanced enough to draw meaningful conclusions in this area.
I think the allegation of a link to brain cancer originated with a study
of California linemen. Overall, their cancer rates were much lower than
those of peers not exposed to intense emfs, but their rate for brain
cancer was only slightly lower. Those who published the study used this
to say emfs caused brain cancer. "There are lies, damned lies, and
statistics."
Marc Dashevsky wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>> In 1979, epidemiologists Leeper and Wertheimer did a small study of
>> childhood leukemia in Denver. It wasn't set up to see if power lines
>> were a factor. In analyzing the data Wertheimer happened to notice that
>> kids living within two doors of a pole transformer seemed to have an
>> increased risk. She knew this was not conclusive.
>
> Interesting -- it was transformer on normal power lines, not
> living near high-power lines. It could easily have been the
> PCBs in the transformers that contributed to the effect, if
> indeed there is one.
>
She assumed transformers emitted EMFs. Based on this, the National
Cancer Institute did a larger study in which they made measurements at
homes, schools, and workplaces to see each person's exposure. They
found no increased risk of various cancers.
I don't know if pole transformers emit much EMF or PCB.
Martin H. Eastburn wrote:
> One of the issues that are forgotten is there are other fields
> than electro-magnetic-Field.
>
> IEEE looked at a study and mused the issue was really the Magnetic
> field
> that is 90 degrees out of phase (not in time) than that of the
> electro-magnetic.
The "magnetic field" _is_ electro-magnetic. There's no need for a
"study" for any electrical engineer to tell you that the magnetic
field is 90 degrees out of phase with the electric field--this is
something that you learn in your first electrical engineering course.
But both the electric and the magnetic field are electro-magnetic.
The only "fields" known to physics that are not electromagnetic are
gravitation and the strong nuclear force. If you read an older
physics text you'll find mention of a "weak nuclear" field--more
recent ones will tell you that the weak nuclear interaction is also
electromagnetic.
> Test types think electrical - must be the EMF.
>
> Martin
>
> Martin H. Eastburn
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> dot
> net
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> Medal.
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>
>
> E Z Peaces wrote:
>> Marc Dashevsky wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> [email protected] says...
>>>> In 1979, epidemiologists Leeper and Wertheimer did a small study
>>>> of
>>>> childhood leukemia in Denver. It wasn't set up to see if power
>>>> lines were a factor. In analyzing the data Wertheimer happened
>>>> to
>>>> notice that kids living within two doors of a pole transformer
>>>> seemed to have an increased risk. She knew this was not
>>>> conclusive.
>>>
>>> Interesting -- it was transformer on normal power lines, not
>>> living near high-power lines. It could easily have been the
>>> PCBs in the transformers that contributed to the effect, if
>>> indeed there is one.
>>>
>> She assumed transformers emitted EMFs. Based on this, the National
>> Cancer Institute did a larger study in which they made measurements
>> at homes, schools, and workplaces to see each person's exposure.
>> They found no increased risk of various cancers.
>>
>> I don't know if pole transformers emit much EMF or PCB.
>
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Martin H. Eastburn wrote:
> One of the issues that are forgotten is there are other fields
> than electro-magnetic-Field.
>
> IEEE looked at a study and mused the issue was really the Magnetic field
> that is 90 degrees out of phase (not in time) than that of the
> electro-magnetic.
>
> Test types think electrical - must be the EMF.
>
> Martin
>
> Martin H. Eastburn
> @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
> TSRA, Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
> NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
> IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member.
> http://lufkinced.com/
>
>
I have wondered if both electric and magnetic fields were suspect. This
page lists magnetic but not electric fields:
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/risk/
This page speaks of magnetic fields and emf but not electric fields:
http://www.blockemf.com/catalog/article_info.php?articles_id=2
These people sell emf-protection gear but point out that emf has not
been shown to cause cancer in lab animals.
The page says two mothers of cancer patients in Omaha found nine more
kids with cancer within a mile, and there was an electrical substation
in the same area. To call that proof sounds like the Salem Witch Trials.
Ed Huntress wrote:
> "Barbara Bailey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Ed Huntress" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> I've got another busy weekend coming up so the answer page will be
>>>> posted early tomorrow morning.
>>>>
>>>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>> 1368: A drying frame for some kind of skin or pelt.
>> Looks more like the frame for forming the outer rim of a snowshoe to me.
>
> Yeah, that sounds better. In fact, now that you mention it, it looks a lot
> like the mold I made for forming laminated trout net frames over 30 years
> ago. It's a similar shape.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
>
>
One summer I set my laminated trout nets under a bridge every time it
rained. I didn't catch any trout. I've been told that laminated trout
are so waterproof that they don't bother to take shelter under bridges. :)
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:28:00 -0400, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>I've got another busy weekend coming up so the answer page will be posted
>early tomorrow morning.
>
>http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
1368. A mold for bending wooden snowshoe frames.
--
Ned Simmons
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:28:00 -0400, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>I've got another busy weekend coming up so the answer page will be posted
>early tomorrow morning.
>
>http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>
>Rob
Well,
1367 looks like a spring loaded gadget to "grab" something, probably
in a liquid.
1368 is a bending frame to make the wooden structure for snow-shoes.
Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.
Steve W. said:
> Marc Dashevsky wrote:
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Laugh if you want Roger, but the word is that cell phones can cause
> > > serious problems. A tim foil hat might be just the thing afterall!
>
> From where can I hear this word?
>
> http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-02/afot-cpl021408.php
> http://healthcare.zdnet.com/?p=1175
One (unconfirmed) study, and one magazine article written by a science
writer who can't spell 'metastasizing' - I'm not normally one to pick on
people's spelling, but (a) people who are paid for writing ought to be
able to do it properly!, and (b) the fact that he or she is unable to
spell the word suggests unfamiliarity with it, which further suggests that
he or she doesn't know spit about cancer.
There are lots and lots of reasons not to use cell phones. We don't need
the excuse that they're carcinogenic! (Whether they are truly carcinogenic
or not is something that I simply don't know - but the above articles fail
to convince me in all kinds of ways.)
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cavelamb himself wrote:
> Roger Haar wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Item 1363 is an antique version of the famous aluminum foil
>> helmet, see:
>>
>> http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
>>
>> They are used to protect one's brain from invasive radio waves. (wink
>> wink)
>>
>> Thanks
>> Roger Haar
>
>
> Laugh if you want Roger, but the word is that cell phones can cause
> serious problems. A tim foil hat might be just the thing afterall!
>
Only if you fasten it on with 1 1/2" staples....
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:29:07 -0400, Ned Simmons <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:28:00 -0400, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I've got another busy weekend coming up so the answer page will be posted
>>early tomorrow morning.
>>
>>http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>1368. A mold for bending wooden snowshoe frames.
A protective "skull-cap" used by the "ALIEN"
In article <[email protected]>,
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Martin H. Eastburn wrote:
> > One of the issues that are forgotten is there are other fields
> > than electro-magnetic-Field.
> >
> > IEEE looked at a study and mused the issue was really the Magnetic
> > field
> > that is 90 degrees out of phase (not in time) than that of the
> > electro-magnetic.
>
> The "magnetic field" _is_ electro-magnetic. There's no need for a
> "study" for any electrical engineer to tell you that the magnetic
> field is 90 degrees out of phase with the electric field--this is
> something that you learn in your first electrical engineering course.
> But both the electric and the magnetic field are electro-magnetic.
Yes.
> The only "fields" known to physics that are not electromagnetic are
> gravitation and the strong nuclear force. If you read an older
> physics text you'll find mention of a "weak nuclear" field--more
> recent ones will tell you that the weak nuclear interaction is also
> electromagnetic.
The weak force is not electromagnetic. It is an aspect of the
electroweak field. Another aspect is the electromagnetic field.
Unification (where the two field can no longer be distinguished) happens
only at hideous energy levels.
<http://physics.nmt.edu/~raymond/classes/ph13xbook/node211.html>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroweak_interaction>
Joe Gwinn
On 2008-07-24, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> I've got another busy weekend coming up so the answer page will be posted
> early tomorrow morning.
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
O.K. Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always.
1363) Some kind of folding carrier for something? I'd be interested
in seeing it in its folded state too, to see how small it gets.
1364) Looks like a tool for bending a wire at a specific radius.
About the right size for bending the leads on a carbon
composition resistor prior to mounting it on a printed circuit
board -- except that those usually bend both ends at the same
time, and are not as old as this appears to be. Plastic is
usually sufficient for this task, not forged or cast metal.
1365) Gathering hay as it is sheared?
1366) No real clue (nor even a guess) on this one.
1367) A grapple which is dropped with the fingers pointing out
in a radial pattern, and either when it hits in the center or
when the rope pulls on it, the fingers all snap down to grasp
whatever it was tossed onto.
1368) Looks like a frame for bending the sides of a dulcimer or
similar musical instrument.
Now to see what others have guessed.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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