In article <[email protected]>, Wally
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Troll Alert!
I don;t think so, but even so a good thread to have in the archives
given the smart replies so far.
Fri, Oct 8, 2004, 7:02pm (EDT-1) [email protected]
(Northern=A0Gal) burbled:
Hi
Hi.
I would like to start wood working and make projects .
OK.
What are the main tools I would need?
I dunno. It would depend in good part on what type of stuff you
want to make.
What would simple projects should I start with until I get the hang of
it ?
I dunno. It would depend on what type of stuff you want to make.
Thanks ,
Welcome.
JOAT
I smile because I know my God loves me. You on the other hand, he
doesn't much like.
On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 21:46:10 -0400, Wally <[email protected]> wrote:
>Troll Alert!
It's sad isn't it, that you think so. Yet this is just the sort of
question that the Trolls often post, and we've had a fair few trolls
around of late..
It's a good question though, so troll or not it's worth answering --
but check for crossposts just in case !
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:36:51 -0400, MikeG <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I don't know what universe your using your universal tools in but the
>only job a claw hammer, nails and a combination hardware store hand saw
>has in my shop is collecting dust.
I use a claw hammer in my workshop - nailing things up to make more
workshop. Don't think I've ever _made_ anything with it, at least
not a "product".
The hammer I use all day is an 8oz Japanese square-head. Fits in
corners better, and I drive my chisels with it. I think I did use
some nails once, but it was a long time ago.
AAvK said:
>
>> Also, a basic set of chisels might be in order. You can get a 4 piece
>> set of Record Marples Blue Chips at Lowes for $19.95. The set
>> includes 1/4", 1/2", 3/4" and 1".
>>
>Nowadays they are being shipped a "Irwin", same color handles. Considering
>old stock you could find either type of packaging in the stores.
I noticed that. I've got the REAL Records - old stock. That's why I
intentionally mentioned Record above.
>The BC chisels have been praised in magazine reviews for the quality of the
>steel, but no one likes the handles. Also, Irwin may have made a change in steel
>quality, for the sake of the love of money. Who knows, but I would grab a
>package that says "Marples" on it just in case.
Many dealers still have old stock, but I did notice Irwin on the new
packages. Probably the death of another tool recommendation. The
handles don't bother me, although they are a bit small. I use them to
trim corners and shave wood - maintaining sharpness is more of a
consideration for me. I wouldn't expect them to hold up to pounding
with mallets and hammers, however.
Greg G.
Dear Northern:
The difficulty that I know of is just one of money and time.
Woodworking cost money; money for the basic machinery, money to buy the raw
stock, tool bits and blades, finishing material and all kind of junk
products you will buy because you read something in a woodworking magazine.
And don't forget to spend money on a magazine or two.
Woodworking takes time; at first just learning how to use the tools, and
then cutting, assembly, sanding, finishing, and so on. Oh, by the way,
there will come a day when you discover that you have to sharpen your tools
and specifically your hand tools which will blow away several days. Trust
me, the whole sharpening thing is a LONG discussion here.
As you follow this Newsgroup, you will find a significant number of the
regulars are in the hobby for the tool technology. A plain fact: the
woodworking craftsmen and craftswomen at Williamsburg can make better
projects with hand tools than I can with over $4000.00 of power tools. As a
tourist, I watched them start and complete a part of a project in less time
it would have taken me just to set up the jigs for my power tools.
Now comes the hard part. Once you start your buying woodworking tools, and
maybe machinery, you will reach a point of frustration because you need to
get over a learning curve before you reach the reward of completing a
project you will be proud of. Hang in there. The reward is well worth the
effort.
By the way, scroll-saw is a easy starting point with quick results. I would
also suggest a good set of turning tools and a lathe will also bring quick
results you can be proud of. If you start down the "cabinet maker" path,
with table saw, band saw, jointer, shaper, thickness sander, plunge router
and table, dust collector, air compressor and lines, plus all the sanding
and finishing gear, well just bring a fat wallet.
Good luck
"Northern Gal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi
> I would like to start wood working and make projects . What are the
> main tools I would need? What would simple projects should I start with
> until I get the hang of it ? Thanks ,
> Jan
>
> Also, a basic set of chisels might be in order. You can get a 4 piece
> set of Record Marples Blue Chips at Lowes for $19.95. The set
> includes 1/4", 1/2", 3/4" and 1".
>
>
Nowadays they are being shipped a "Irwin", same color handles. Considering
old stock you could find either type of packaging in the stores.
The BC chisels have been praised in magazine reviews for the quality of the
steel, but no one likes the handles. Also, Irwin may have made a change in steel
quality, for the sake of the love of money. Who knows, but I would grab a
package that says "Marples" on it just in case.
Alex
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> You will need a claw hammer. Again, my collegues will talk about
> mallets, nail guns, ball peens(!) and the like. You will want a
>
>
A claw hammer? Nails? Hardware store hand saw? Oh my!
She said woodworking not house framing. How about clamps, glue, and a
nice back saw.
I don't know what universe your using your universal tools in but the
only job a claw hammer, nails and a combination hardware store hand saw
has in my shop is collecting dust.
--
MikeG
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
[email protected]
Northern Gal,
I see that my collegues responses, bless them, have been a little
predictable. Tool choice and priority are matters of religious debate
'round here, and one item of doctrine is "use the right tool for the
right job." Hence all the answer of "I dunno, what do you want to
make?"
There are, however, universal tools that all of us own, at least in
general terms. All woodworking tools are task-based. There are three
tasks in woodworking: measuring/marking stuff, cutting stuff, and
fastening stuff together. (Finishing is actually also necessary, but
is generally treated as a separate process from "making."
To start, you will need a measuring tool. Guys here will talk about
calipers, dividers, rules, rulers, and chalk-lines until you're blue
in the face. But a simple Stanley tape measure will get you started.
It will give you adequate accuracy for bird houses, book ends, and
bookshelves. For a beginner, a 10' is probably adequate.
You will need a claw hammer. Again, my collegues will talk about
mallets, nail guns, ball peens(!) and the like. You will want a
hammer with curved claws for extracing nails. If you are
slender-framed, get a 12 oz or 14 oz hammer. If you are beefier in
build, you might consider a 16 ounce or 18 ounce head.
You will need a saw. You can start out with a combination handsaw
from any hardware store. It will allow you to make the basic
crosscuts and rip cuts necessary for birdhouses and bookshelves.
You will also want a toolbox that you can store all this stuff in.
Please post any follow-up questions as you see fit.
Welcome to two new hobbies: woodworking and tool accumulating.
Will
[email protected] (Northern Gal) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Hi
> I would like to start wood working and make projects . What are the
> main tools I would need? What would simple projects should I start with
> until I get the hang of it ? Thanks ,
> Jan
Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 10:59am (EDT-3) [email protected] (Bill=A0McNutt)
burbled:
<snip> the answer of "I dunno, what do you want to make?"
Which, if you would think about it, makes sense. I know of a
person who makes his living with a pocketknife - carbing earrings out of
wood. I know a person who makes a living using little more than that -
carving life-like bird models. If you make wooden decks, a circular
saw, framing square, pencil, and a hammer, are basically all you eed -
though an air-nailer, and compressor, would help. You do just
scrollsawing, then you can get buy with just a scrollsaw. You do
chainsaw carving, you need a chainsaw. Now do you understand what we
mean? Depends on what type of woodworking you want to do.
There are, however, universal tools that all of us own, at least in
general terms. All woodworking tools are task-based.
No kidding - see above.
There are three tasks in woodworking: measuring/marking stuff,
OK, a pencil and ruler takes care of that.
cutting stuff,
OK, depends on what you want to cut, and how you want to cut it.
and fastening stuff together.
Maybe. Some stuff I make is bolted together, some is just glued,
some is held together by a wooden "key".
(Finishing is actually also necessary, but is generally treated as a
separate process from "making."
Finish is optional at times.
To start, you will need a measuring tool. Guys here will talk about
calipers, dividers, rules, rulers, and chalk-lines until you're blue in
the face. But a simple Stanley tape measure will get you started. It
will give you adequate accuracy for bird houses, book ends, and
bookshelves. For a beginner, a 10' is probably adequate.
Chalkline? Whatcha doing, re-roofing houses? Ruler and pencil
will get you started. I use a foot long ruler more often than any other
measuring tool I have. If you're gonna get a tape measure, might's well
get a 25 footer.
You will need a claw hammer. Again, my collegues will talk about
mallets, nail guns, ball peens(!) and the like. You will want a hammer
with curved claws for extracing nails. If you are slender-framed, get a
12 oz or 14 oz hammer. If you are beefier in build, you might consider a
16 ounce or 18 ounce head.
ROTFLMAO
You will need a saw. You can start out with a combination handsaw from
any hardware store. It will allow you to make the basic crosscuts and
rip cuts necessary for birdhouses and bookshelves.
Nah. I've got a book on birdhouses, and judging from some of the
birdhouses, all you need is a basket or bag for for carrying scraps you
find, and a hot glue gun.
You will also want a toolbox that you can store all this stuff in.
Drawer, shelf, hooks, or a closet floor, will work too - depending
on what tools.
Please post any follow-up questions as you see fit.
Where do you get your ideas at?
Damn, not long ago I made a "craft stand", to hold a batch of
clamps, and supplies, so I could work on gluing up and painting some
projects in the house. I didn't know I need all that stuff to make it.
I didn't even look at my claw hammer. I used plywood that was sliced
when I bought it. About 11 7/8" X 48". I did cut pieces with my
circular saw. But, it is 100% glued, no nails, so no hammer, no screws,
so no screwdriver. I did use two types of clamps while putting it
together. And, it doesn't have any finish at all. It's about 3' tall,
with 3 shelves. I did put casters on the bottom, but used a small
wrench to turn the hex head screws in. Works just as designed. Gonna
make a few changes, but those'll be made by gluing small pieces of scrap
in place.
Clamps are always good tho, but you can make those too.
Like we said, the tools you need, depends on what you want to do.
JOAT
I smile because I know my God loves me. You on the other hand, he
doesn't much like.
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 19:02:31 -0500, [email protected] (Northern
Gal) wrote:
>Hi
> I would like to start wood working and make projects . What are the
>main tools I would need? What would simple projects should I start with
>until I get the hang of it ? Thanks ,
> Jan
I started doing some small projects like a utility bench, birdhouses
(same here with the Bluebirds), batbox, Adirondack chairs, wall
shelves, workbench, and etc.
The tools I started with I pretty much already had, such as:
circular saw (old B&D), saber saw (B&D), tape measure,
T-square (I think this may have been my grandfather's),
3/8' electric drill ( with adapter to sand with), some
automotive tools (screw drivers and such) and paint brushes.
I started with the utility benches. I used scrap material from a new
housing construction. I built a dozen of these for family and even
sold a few. I then moved up to some chairs made from 2X4 studs.
Check out your library for woodworking books that have plans.
This really helped with the chairs.
Tools I've bought during this adventure are: miter saw (a father's
day present), drill attachment for boring larger hole for birdhouses,
battery 3/8" drill, table saw (a nephew donation), saw blades,
router (Christmas present) and bit set (this cut down on a lot of
sanding and edge rounding).
I've learned a lot by reading books from the library and then applying
ideas and projects. I've made shop jigs, a workable router table,
workbench, and now looking towards a sofa table for the daughter.
The SWMBO is happy with the cornices and hanging wall shelves.
That's kinda made up for using half of the garage for the woodworking
area and tools, ha!
I'd suggest starting with something that will be useful and straight
forward to use, like utility benches. I got that idea from watching
the DIY channel and there were free plans for it at their site. Just
cutting 2X4, 2X10, and some 1X4 and screwing together. Low
cost and practical.
Good luck and have fun,
Thunder
> A claw hammer? Nails? Hardware store hand saw? Oh my!
> She said woodworking not house framing. How about clamps, glue, and a
> nice back saw.
> I don't know what universe your using your universal tools in but the
> only job a claw hammer, nails and a combination hardware store hand saw
> has in my shop is collecting dust.
I agree. I want women doing woodwork for real, myself.
Alex
Bill McNutt said:
>To start, you will need a measuring tool. Guys here will talk about
>calipers, dividers, rules, rulers, and chalk-lines until you're blue
>in the face. But a simple Stanley tape measure will get you started.
>It will give you adequate accuracy for bird houses, book ends, and
>bookshelves. For a beginner, a 10' is probably adequate.
I personally would lean towards a 3' or 4' aluminum metal rule for
woodworking - in addition to the tape rule. They are relatively
cheap. Compare all measuring instruments and confirm they measure the
same - they often won't!
Also, a basic set of chisels might be in order. You can get a 4 piece
set of Record Marples Blue Chips at Lowes for $19.95. The set
includes 1/4", 1/2", 3/4" and 1".
>Please post any follow-up questions as you see fit.
>
>Welcome to two new hobbies: woodworking and tool accumulating.
Same here. Accumulating tools, that is... ;-)
FWIW,
Greg G.
> Many dealers still have old stock, but I did notice Irwin on the new
> packages. Probably the death of another tool recommendation. The
> handles don't bother me, although they are a bit small. I use them to
> trim corners and shave wood - maintaining sharpness is more of a
> consideration for me. I wouldn't expect them to hold up to pounding
> with mallets and hammers, however.
>
>
My teacher in woodshop (adult ed.) bought a new package of 4 Irwin BC's,
other students are using them one after the other, they're holding up so far.
I think they are cheap enough to risk trying it. The Irwin company really is
lame for destroying Record too. They took Marples (not Jos.), Record and
I believe Holland's Nooitgedagt tool company. I was lucky enough to get
two of their shoulder planes new from eBay. Same seller is letting new wood
handled Marples chisels go @ $2.95 each but, big time shipping each.
My local TV has only two, both original MBC @1/8", I think I'll get one.
Alex
Troll Alert!
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 19:02:31 -0500, [email protected] (Northern
Gal) wrote:
>Hi
> I would like to start wood working and make projects . What are the
>main tools I would need? What would simple projects should I start with
>until I get the hang of it ? Thanks ,
> Jan
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:52:35 +0100, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:36:51 -0400, MikeG <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>I don't know what universe your using your universal tools in but the
>>only job a claw hammer, nails and a combination hardware store hand saw
>>has in my shop is collecting dust.
>
>I use a claw hammer in my workshop - nailing things up to make more
>workshop. Don't think I've ever _made_ anything with it, at least
>not a "product".
>
>The hammer I use all day is an 8oz Japanese square-head. Fits in
>corners better, and I drive my chisels with it. I think I did use
>some nails once, but it was a long time ago.
I've been using my 14 oz. urethane mallet on my chisels to
square up the bottoms after the Shop Fox mortiser gets done
with makin' holes. I -love- that mallet, and my wrists thank
me. It absorbs about 80% of the force. Second is the 8 oz.
Warrington.
Claw hammer? I tossed all the obnoxious critters, but I kept
the fancy ($1.99) HF framing hammah and use her on construction
jobs--like rebuilding the fascia and end-caps on the house.
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depends what projects you are looking to build...small crafts? 3/8"drill
with a set of bits and a good portable or stationary jig-saw (latter can be
a lot of fun and you can do some pretty wild stuff with it and it's a pretty
safe tool to use). Bird houses/feeders? (a long time ago I took it upon
myself to give the eastern bluebirds some houses in the hope they would
come...they did!!!)...add to the above a fairly inexpensive table top table
saw (if you get into the hobby you'll be sorry you didn't get a good
stationary table saw but chalk it up to education cost).
Always a good combination square (I've had a Stanley 12" for too long to
say) and good tape measure. And don't forget the safety glasses.
Go beyond that, you will have started another 1,500 message thread arguing
about order of importance of table saw, jointer, planer, miter saw, drill
press, band saw, router, shaper and the occassional radial arm saw.
Most of us avoid the argument by simply getting one or more of everthing.
Good luck
"Northern Gal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi
> I would like to start wood working and make projects . What are the
> main tools I would need? What would simple projects should I start with
> until I get the hang of it ? Thanks ,
> Jan
>