Wheels on bench

Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 5/10/2012 3:13 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>> If wheels are mounted to a work bench legs, so lifting the other end
>> results in the workbench riding on the wheels, approximately how much of an
>> angle would the bench need to be tipped to?
>>
>> Here's the scenario: My bench serves as an infeed table as well as a
>> bench. Sometimes I need to move it a foot or so closer to the saw for
>> support. I was wondering if putting wheels on one set of legs would make
>> it easy to lift the other end to pull the bench closer to the saw. I'm not
>> looking for something expensive, big, or fancy, just enough to make it
>> easier to move the bench that couple of inches.
>>
>> I guess a hinged drop down support would also meet this need, but it would
>> seem to get in the way of storage on the side of the bench.
>>
>> Puckdropper
>
> My work bench is about 30 X 52 and on four caster wheels. It was built
> so that it is the same height as the table saw. The bench can be moved
> any where in the shop so it can be used with the table saw, drill press,
> router table or any where else that it is needed.
>
> I built this bench over 15 years ago and found it completely fulfills
> the designed function. I can use it as an out feed table or on the feed
> side of the saw to hold the pieces that I am working on. I usually
> place the bench at a right angle to the saw on the feed side so I can
> drop the cut pieces in one area and pick up the uncut pieces without a
> lot of movement. (I do a lot of picture framing and stretchers.)
>
> The first thing that someone will say is it is not stationary. To that
> I respond, how many times have you pushed so hard on a piece of wood the
> you are ripping on the saw that you could possibly move an out feed
> table on wheels.
>
> Additionally so what if it moves a little. the purpose of the out feed
> table is to support the piece as it comes off of the saw. Even if it
> moves a couple of inches it is still doing its purpose. PS In the 15
> years, I don't remember it moving.
>

Mine is exactly the same except two of the casters are locking casters.


--
G.W. Ross

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Puckdropper wrote:

> Thanks. The picture gives me a starting point for something similar.
> Looks like the key is that the center of the wheel is mounted outside
> of the leg, so tipping the saw allows the leg to fully lift.
>

Correct. Otherwise you would have to cut off the back of the legs to allow
them to rotate without the back edge hitting the floor. Just don't go as
big as I did - that causes you to do more lifting. And... the pneumatic
tires are not a good idea. Hard rubber will roll easier and you don't have
to worry about low air pressure - makes moving it a bear.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

I was thinking of using these casters on a planer (DW733) cabinet I'm
planning.
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30842&site=ROCKLER

On 05/10/2012 02:13 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> If wheels are mounted to a work bench legs, so lifting the other end
> results in the workbench riding on the wheels, approximately how much of an
> angle would the bench need to be tipped to?
>
> Here's the scenario: My bench serves as an infeed table as well as a
> bench. Sometimes I need to move it a foot or so closer to the saw for
> support. I was wondering if putting wheels on one set of legs would make
> it easy to lift the other end to pull the bench closer to the saw. I'm not
> looking for something expensive, big, or fancy, just enough to make it
> easier to move the bench that couple of inches.
>
> I guess a hinged drop down support would also meet this need, but it would
> seem to get in the way of storage on the side of the bench.
>
> Puckdropper

"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Puckdropper wrote:
>
>> If wheels are mounted to a work bench legs, so lifting the other end
>> results in the workbench riding on the wheels, approximately how much
>> of an angle would the bench need to be tipped to?
>>
>
> Depends on how you mount the wheels. My table saw stand has wheels
> like you are speaking of. They are mounted so that they touch the
> floor when the stand is on all four legs. I don't know the angle, but
> I only have to lift the front of the table saw a couple of inches to
> roll it.
>

That sounds like what I've been imagining. I'm sure the exact angle
would be a function of wheel size, center distance from leg etc. I'd
love to have something that wouldn't stick out very far (an inch or two)
and make it easier to move the bench.

Would you mind looking for a picture or giving a more detailed
description?

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote
>
> That sounds like what I've been imagining. I'm sure the exact angle
> would be a function of wheel size, center distance from leg etc. I'd
> love to have something that wouldn't stick out very far (an inch or two)
> and make it easier to move the bench.
>
> Would you mind looking for a picture or giving a more detailed
> description?
>
Just take a look at many benches used in gyms. I have built a lot of them.
You just take the caster and line it up with the floor, so it just clears
the floor. That determines your angle. Build an angled mount and fasten it
to the legs. When you need to move the bench, just lift the other end and
roll it it around. Many modern benches in the gym are very heavy and hard
to move around. Which is shy they have the rolling casters on them. It can
be easily adapted to use on the big benches as well.

"Puckdropper" wrote:

> If wheels are mounted to a work bench legs, so lifting the other end
> results in the workbench riding on the wheels, approximately how
> much of an
> angle would the bench need to be tipped to?
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Mount a couple of 4" dia wheels across the short dimension of the
bench.

If you don't have one, buy a 2 wheeled dolly.

Insert tongue of dolly under other end short dimension of bench, rock
back to lift and move bench.

Reverse to drop bench in place.

Get a beer, enjoy your efforts.

Lew

tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Puckdropper,
>
> take a look at these:
> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30842&filter=43501
>
> BTW did you get your handle by being a hockey ref? Still do it?
>

An interesting idea, but they're really built for another purpose. I
just need to move my bench a few inches at a time, not across the
workshop.

I got my handle from when my dad played hockey. I was too young to play
in the league at the time, but they would let me drop the puck after a
goal was scored. I've never reffed (except for the reffing that all
players do *g*).

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> Sorry - for reasons that I don't care to investigate, OE puked at
> trying to upload the binary. Even after I made it smaller. So... I
> put a copy on Photobucket. Here's the url. Sorry for the mixup.
>
> http://s1259.photobucket.com/albums/ii544/mike9369/
>
>

Thanks. The picture gives me a starting point for something similar.
Looks like the key is that the center of the wheel is mounted outside of
the leg, so tipping the saw allows the leg to fully lift.

I'll have to pick up a couple of wheels and experiment.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

Well, that's why I said I'm thinking about it. I'm also considering
fully-locking casters so I don't have to lift anything. But honestly, I
spend hundreds of dollars on a good quality power tool so $79 for 4
casters that'll last me many years is no big deal. I'm always in the
mode of doing it right for the long term, not cheap for the short term.
I don't understand your comment about lifting. I'd only lift one end
(not the entire cabinet/bench) regardless of whether I use the one I
mentioned, or the style you mentioned. But the fully-locking wheels
idea is probably smarter.
I haven't built anything on wheels yet - that's why I'm lurking here to
learns the pros and cons.

John S.

On 05/10/2012 02:57 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> John Shear wrote:
>
>> I was thinking of using these casters on a planer (DW733) cabinet I'm
>> planning.
>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30842&site=ROCKLER
>>
>
> Holy Cow - you're made out of money aren't you? $79??? For 20% of that you
> can go to Harbor Freight and pick up castors that are more than sufficient
> for the task. I would not even want those extensions they are built on.
> You have to lift all of the weight of the tool with those. A wheel that
> simply sits immediately behind the leg allows you to pivot rather than lift.
> Much less weight.
>

Thanks for the feedback, that those casters don't require me to lift.
As I mentioned in my original post, my application would be for a
cabinet for my DW733 benchtop planer so I'm not dealing with a big
workbench.
We don't have a Harbor Freight, Home Depot, Lowes, Woodcraft, Rockler,
etc. within a reasonable driving distance so all I have to go on is what
I see in the catalog, online info, and input from this newsgroup. We
have lots of Menards nearby but I try hard to avoid buying anything
there because most of it's junk. However, for some things (MDO, closet
organizers) it's the only source available. I used to get a HF catalog
but it looked like a lot of cheap junk so I avoided that. But I do at
least look around for the options.

John S.

On 05/11/2012 10:21 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 5/11/12 9:28 AM, John Shear wrote:
>> Well, that's why I said I'm thinking about it. I'm also considering
>> fully-locking casters so I don't have to lift anything. But honestly, I
>> spend hundreds of dollars on a good quality power tool so $79 for 4
>> casters that'll last me many years is no big deal. I'm always in the
>> mode of doing it right for the long term, not cheap for the short term.
>> I don't understand your comment about lifting. I'd only lift one end
>> (not the entire cabinet/bench) regardless of whether I use the one I
>> mentioned, or the style you mentioned. But the fully-locking wheels idea
>> is probably smarter.
>> I haven't built anything on wheels yet - that's why I'm lurking here to
>> learns the pros and cons.
>>
>> John S.
>>
>> On 05/10/2012 02:57 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> John Shear wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was thinking of using these casters on a planer (DW733) cabinet I'm
>>>> planning.
>>>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30842&site=ROCKLER
>>>>
>>>
>>> Holy Cow - you're made out of money aren't you? $79??? For 20% of that
>>> you
>>> can go to Harbor Freight and pick up castors that are more than
>>> sufficient
>>> for the task. I would not even want those extensions they are built on.
>>> You have to lift all of the weight of the tool with those. A wheel that
>>> simply sits immediately behind the leg allows you to pivot rather than
>>> lift.
>>> Much less weight.
>>>
>
> I'm not sure why he felt the need to criticize you for wanting quality,
> but hey, maybe he had a bad day.
>
> In any case, there is no wheel you will get ay Harbor Freight that will
> be the same quality as those Rockler ones. This point can't be argued
> (successfully) with me. :-) I've inspected, installed, and/or purchased
> and used long term every caster from HF, over the last decade. They all
> end up loosening up, losing bearings, getting rough or stuck spots in
> their rotation, etc, etc. What I end up doing is buying a 400lbs caster
> to do a 100lbs job.
> When I need something serious, that I know will be dependable over time
> for something that I can't take chances with (like the road cases for my
> drums), I never even consider HF casters. It sounds to me like this is
> what you want.
>
> Having said all that, be sure to see if the Rockler casters will be
> strong enough for your bench. I haven't read all the details, so I don't
> know. Oh... by the way, you *don't* have to lift the weight off of them
> to use those foot-cam casters. I have *one* foot-cam caster on my Delta
> 36-982 table saw and I don't have to lift any weight to engage it. I
> made another out of wood and it work without lifting. I've tried the
> Rockler/woodcraft version and they all do the same.
>
>

Well, saying "Holy Cow - you're made out of money aren't you?" wasn't
really neccessary. But I'm a big boy and learned not to take things
personal on forums and newsgroups. Overall I enjoy your posts Mike M.
Just be patient with those less experienced in certain topics.

John S.

On 05/11/2012 10:54 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm not sure why he felt the need to criticize you for wanting
>> quality, but hey, maybe he had a bad day.
>
> I did not criticize John. As I state in a follow up post - I had mistaken
> how those wheels mounted. Even at that, there is nothing critical in what I
> said to John.

Yep, saw the DW7350 - thanks for the helpful references. I am making a
custom cabinet design so I can have drawers for blades, bits, and other
general router and table saw "stuff". I'm a bit of a neat freak and
want all my accessories stored in drawers or behind doors. :) Also
surfing the net for better ideas for infeed/outfeed tables.

John S.

On 05/11/2012 12:09 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 5/11/12 11:20 AM, John Shear wrote:
>> Thanks for the feedback, that those casters don't require me to lift. As
>> I mentioned in my original post, my application would be for a cabinet
>> for my DW733 benchtop planer so I'm not dealing with a big workbench.
>> We don't have a Harbor Freight, Home Depot, Lowes, Woodcraft, Rockler,
>> etc. within a reasonable driving distance so all I have to go on is what
>> I see in the catalog, online info, and input from this newsgroup. We
>> have lots of Menards nearby but I try hard to avoid buying anything
>> there because most of it's junk. However, for some things (MDO, closet
>> organizers) it's the only source available. I used to get a HF catalog
>> but it looked like a lot of cheap junk so I avoided that. But I do at
>> least look around for the options.
>>
>> John S.
>>
>
> I looked up your planer and those Rockler wheels would be more than
> adequate the job.
> Have you seen the DEWALT DW7350? Looks like you can get it for about
> $140 and be done with it. Even if you decide to build your own, check
> out the design of the Dewalt. There's only one cam and it's on the
> inside. Great advantages to this: wheels do not increase the footprint
> of the base making storage much easier, and there's only one cam to
> press instead of four.
>
> Google "mobile base" and you'll see the single cam design used a lot.
> You might get by using one expensive wheel and two cheap ones.
>
>

"John Shear" wrote:

>I was thinking of using these casters on a planer (DW733) cabinet I'm
>planning.
> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30842&site=ROCKLER
-----------------------------------
Take a look at the mobile base used on the Delta contractor's saw.

Will give you some good ideas.

Lew

"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Puckdropper wrote:
>
>> Thanks. The picture gives me a starting point for something similar.
>> Looks like the key is that the center of the wheel is mounted outside
>> of the leg, so tipping the saw allows the leg to fully lift.
>>
>
> Correct. Otherwise you would have to cut off the back of the legs to
> allow them to rotate without the back edge hitting the floor. Just
> don't go as big as I did - that causes you to do more lifting. And...
> the pneumatic tires are not a good idea. Hard rubber will roll easier
> and you don't have to worry about low air pressure - makes moving it a
> bear.
>

I picked up a couple of lawnmower wheels and mounted them to the bench.
I simply attached the wheels to the leg with a couple of screws through a
2x4. The bench will tilt back on the legs and move easily now, but it
doesn't start to move freely until the angle is just at the point where
it's uncomfortable to lift.

I think if I knocked the corner of the legs off the bench would move
freely at a lower angle. Good thing I haven't put doors on and loaded it
up yet.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

In article <[email protected]>,
Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> If wheels are mounted to a work bench legs, so lifting the other end
> results in the workbench riding on the wheels, approximately how much of
> an angle would the bench need to be tipped to?

Depends on the length of the bench. If you have wheels on two legs, you
only need to lift the other two legs clear of the ground, say 1mm, in
order to move it. The angle is determined by the height you lift and the
distance between the vertical centre-line of the wheels and your lifting
point.

--
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

-MIKE- wrote:

>
> It makes sense that you would use an emoticon to avoid confusion in
> the first place. Emoticons are to usenet what turn signals turn are
> to traffic. Why not just use them, as easy as they are to use, to
> avoid confusion?

That's where we genuinely disagree Mike. Emoticons do nothing to relay
intent. Look at how many times you see confrontations even with emoticons
in the text. Part of that is because people chose to be too thin skinned
some of the time, and part of it is because people use emoticons to hide
what they are really saying. That happens here quite a bit. Not that the
concept is bad - it just does not work. I prefer (of course - that is
simply my choice...) to guage by what the overall tone and tenor of a poster
has proven to be over time, rather than to hinge on a particular post point.

> But you're the one who's making a big deal out of this. :-p

Hell Mike - that's pure bullshit. I'm simply replying to those who chose to
make a point of it. Come on now - that's just flat out wrong.

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-Mike-
[email protected]

Mike Marlow wrote:
> Puckdropper wrote:
>
>>
>> That sounds like what I've been imagining. I'm sure the exact angle
>> would be a function of wheel size, center distance from leg etc. I'd
>> love to have something that wouldn't stick out very far (an inch or
>> two) and make it easier to move the bench.
>>
>> Would you mind looking for a picture or giving a more detailed
>> description?
>>
>
> Sure. I'll go out and take a picture with my cell phone and post it
> to the binaries group. Just don't pay any attention to the clutter. Right
> now (as in "mostly..."), things are pushed into something of a
> clutter while I'm doing other things in my garage. Right now... it's
> painting a car... AGAIN!!! Argh!

Sorry - for reasons that I don't care to investigate, OE puked at trying to
upload the binary. Even after I made it smaller. So... I put a copy on
Photobucket. Here's the url. Sorry for the mixup.

http://s1259.photobucket.com/albums/ii544/mike9369/


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John Shear wrote:

> Well, saying "Holy Cow - you're made out of money aren't you?" wasn't
> really neccessary. But I'm a big boy and learned not to take things
> personal on forums and newsgroups. Overall I enjoy your posts Mike M.
> Just be patient with those less experienced in certain topics.
>

Well - I've never used smiley faces to indicate humor, and from time to
time, the humor might not come through to people - as appears to be the case
in this dialog. Overall - it's not been a problem, but it does sneak up
once in a while. Having said that - I've seen too many smiley faces used to
mask other "expressions", so I guess there is no perfect way. Was not
trying to be critical of you - was trying to use familiar phrases to input a
little humor as can exist between guys.

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-Mike-
[email protected]

Scott Lurndal wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> writes:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 5/11/12 10:54 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure why he felt the need to criticize you for wanting
>>>>> quality, but hey, maybe he had a bad day.
>>>>
>>>> I did not criticize John. As I state in a follow up post - I had
>>>> mistaken how those wheels mounted. Even at that, there is nothing
>>>> critical in what I said to John.
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Holy Cow - you're made out of money aren't you?"
>>>
>>> No, that's not critical at all. :-p
>>
>> Mike - it's not. It was a humorous statement. If you insist on
>> seeing it as critical, then nothing I can say will change that. I'd
>> think I know better, what I was intending to say than you do. You
>> can take my word for it or ignore it.
>
> You should probably have said nothing then, since I also agree with
> -MIKE-
> that it sounded as if you were critical of the OP's choices and
> decision process.
>
> Simply suggesting that HF also carried castors would have been
> sufficient.
>

If my explanation does not work for anyone, they can think what they wish.
Geeze - getting to be a bunch of nannys here. Doesn't it make sense that if
I were being critical, I would not have added the addition comments that I
thought might be helpful?

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-Mike-
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John Shear wrote:
> Well, that's why I said I'm thinking about it. I'm also considering
> fully-locking casters so I don't have to lift anything. But
> honestly, I spend hundreds of dollars on a good quality power tool so
> $79 for 4 casters that'll last me many years is no big deal. I'm
> always in the mode of doing it right for the long term, not cheap for
> the short term. I don't understand your comment about lifting. I'd
> only lift one end (not the entire cabinet/bench) regardless of
> whether I use the one I mentioned, or the style you mentioned. But
> the fully-locking wheels idea is probably smarter.
> I haven't built anything on wheels yet - that's why I'm lurking here
> to learns the pros and cons.
>

Sorry John - when I first saw those wheels, I did not look closely enough to
see that they snap down into place. I thought they just stuck out the back
and that would make for a very heavy lift - but... it's not the case.

I have other things that are mounted on locking wheels and that works ok.
It can be a pain to get to the locks if the wheel is turned, and it's a
small pain to have to lock them in the first place. I've pretty much gone
to the tilt back on to the wheels approach, for most of my stuff.

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-Mike-
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-MIKE- wrote:
> On 5/11/12 10:54 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure why he felt the need to criticize you for wanting
>>> quality, but hey, maybe he had a bad day.
>>
>> I did not criticize John. As I state in a follow up post - I had
>> mistaken how those wheels mounted. Even at that, there is nothing
>> critical in what I said to John.
>>
>
> "Holy Cow - you're made out of money aren't you?"
>
> No, that's not critical at all. :-p

Mike - it's not. It was a humorous statement. If you insist on seeing it
as critical, then nothing I can say will change that. I'd think I know
better, what I was intending to say than you do. You can take my word for
it or ignore it.


>
> After I posted my reply. I can't tell the future.
> Had I read your followup, I wouldn't have said anything.

I expected that much but replied to you just to keep consistency within the
thread.

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-Mike-
[email protected]

-MIKE- wrote:

>
> I'm not sure why he felt the need to criticize you for wanting
> quality, but hey, maybe he had a bad day.

I did not criticize John. As I state in a follow up post - I had mistaken
how those wheels mounted. Even at that, there is nothing critical in what I
said to John.

>
> In any case, there is no wheel you will get ay Harbor Freight that
> will be the same quality as those Rockler ones.

Perhaps true, but there are indeed wheels at Harbor Freight that will do the
job just fine, for the long run.

> This point can't be
> argued (successfully) with me. :-) I've inspected, installed, and/or
> purchased and used long term every caster from HF, over the last
> decade. They all end up loosening up, losing bearings, getting rough
> or stuck spots in their rotation, etc, etc. What I end up doing is
> buying a 400lbs caster to do a 100lbs job.

I have experienced that with some of their castors/wheels, but certainly not
with all of them.

> Oh... by the way, you *don't* have to lift the weight off
> of them to use those foot-cam casters. I have *one* foot-cam caster
> on my Delta 36-982 table saw and I don't have to lift any weight to
> engage it.

As I stated in a follow up - I was mistaken in how they worked.

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I use a tripod setup to level my tools.

Basically all my cabinets are on 4 wheels, but I use three points. The
cabinet has limiters to prevent the cabinet from tipping (like the
trikes used to before being outlawed). One of my limiters is an
adjustable lock. Once it's in place I twist the knob let it slide to the
"AXLE" then lock it. No tip, never rocks because a wheel is not down. I
got tired of putting wedges under wheels to steady cabinets. I have my
sanding station, mortising station, router table and small setup table
configured this way. I plan to do more sometime. It helps on an wavy
concrete floor.

On 5/12/2012 9:41 PM, Morgans wrote:
> "John Shear" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> I was thinking of using these casters on a planer (DW733) cabinet I'm
> planning.
> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30842&site=ROCKLER
> ******************************************************
> I like to go the other way, that is to put the machine on wheels, then a
> bolt with a handle on top is screwed down to lift the wheel off the
> ground. Good security, and it makes the machine level no matter how
> uneven the floor.
>
> -- Jim in NC

"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> If wheels are mounted to a work bench legs, so lifting the other end
> results in the workbench riding on the wheels, approximately how much of
> an
> angle would the bench need to be tipped to?
>
> Here's the scenario: My bench serves as an infeed table as well as a
> bench. Sometimes I need to move it a foot or so closer to the saw for
> support. I was wondering if putting wheels on one set of legs would make
> it easy to lift the other end to pull the bench closer to the saw. I'm
> not
> looking for something expensive, big, or fancy, just enough to make it
> easier to move the bench that couple of inches.


My workbench is on casters and is very (very) heavy in part due to the
weight of heavy items stored in the enclosed based. I seriously doubt I
could pick up the end of the bench without the aid of a lever or a jack. The
casters protrude below the bench's base. I simply tap some wedges under the
edges of the bench to keep it in place. On those relatively rare occasions
that I need to move the bench all I need to do is give a quick tap to the
wedges to loosen them and I'm good to do.

John

"John Shear" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Well, that's why I said I'm thinking about it. I'm also considering
fully-locking casters so I don't have to lift anything. But honestly, I
spend hundreds of dollars on a good quality power tool so $79 for 4
casters that'll last me many years is no big deal. I'm always in the
mode of doing it right for the long term, not cheap for the short term.
I don't understand your comment about lifting. I'd only lift one end
(not the entire cabinet/bench) regardless of whether I use the one I
mentioned, or the style you mentioned. But the fully-locking wheels
idea is probably smarter.
I haven't built anything on wheels yet - that's why I'm lurking here to
learns the pros and cons.

Take a look at this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HENMh1FWtj0&feature=related
Look around while there. there are more designs.

"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> writes:
>-MIKE- wrote:
>> On 5/11/12 10:54 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure why he felt the need to criticize you for wanting
>>>> quality, but hey, maybe he had a bad day.
>>>
>>> I did not criticize John. As I state in a follow up post - I had
>>> mistaken how those wheels mounted. Even at that, there is nothing
>>> critical in what I said to John.
>>>
>>
>> "Holy Cow - you're made out of money aren't you?"
>>
>> No, that's not critical at all. :-p
>
>Mike - it's not. It was a humorous statement. If you insist on seeing it
>as critical, then nothing I can say will change that. I'd think I know
>better, what I was intending to say than you do. You can take my word for
>it or ignore it.

You should probably have said nothing then, since I also agree with -MIKE-
that it sounded as if you were critical of the OP's choices and decision process.

Simply suggesting that HF also carried castors would have been sufficient.

scott

Hey Puck,
I saw one example at a friend's shop where the wheels were flush to
the floor so as soon as the other end was lifted it was movable. on
my router table, the wheels are always in contact but the the jack
wheel (opposite end) comes down for movement.
Marc

Puckdropper wrote:

> If wheels are mounted to a work bench legs, so lifting the other end
> results in the workbench riding on the wheels, approximately how much
> of an angle would the bench need to be tipped to?
>

Depends on how you mount the wheels. My table saw stand has wheels like you
are speaking of. They are mounted so that they touch the floor when the
stand is on all four legs. I don't know the angle, but I only have to lift
the front of the table saw a couple of inches to roll it.

--

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[email protected]

Puckdropper wrote:

>
> That sounds like what I've been imagining. I'm sure the exact angle
> would be a function of wheel size, center distance from leg etc. I'd
> love to have something that wouldn't stick out very far (an inch or
> two) and make it easier to move the bench.
>
> Would you mind looking for a picture or giving a more detailed
> description?
>

Sure. I'll go out and take a picture with my cell phone and post it to the
binaries group. Just don't pay any attention to the clutter. Right now (as
in "mostly..."), things are pushed into something of a clutter while I'm
doing other things in my garage. Right now... it's painting a car...
AGAIN!!! Argh!

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John Shear wrote:

> I was thinking of using these casters on a planer (DW733) cabinet I'm
> planning.
> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30842&site=ROCKLER
>

Holy Cow - you're made out of money aren't you? $79??? For 20% of that you
can go to Harbor Freight and pick up castors that are more than sufficient
for the task. I would not even want those extensions they are built on.
You have to lift all of the weight of the tool with those. A wheel that
simply sits immediately behind the leg allows you to pivot rather than lift.
Much less weight.

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On May 10, 2:13=A0am, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> If wheels are mounted to a work bench legs, so lifting the other end
> results in the workbench riding on the wheels, approximately how much of =
an
> angle would the bench need to be tipped to?
>
> Here's the scenario: =A0My bench serves as an infeed table as well as a
> bench. =A0Sometimes I need to move it a foot or so closer to the saw for
> support. =A0I was wondering if putting wheels on one set of legs would ma=
ke
> it easy to lift the other end to pull the bench closer to the saw. =A0I'm=
not
> looking for something expensive, big, or fancy, just enough to make it
> easier to move the bench that couple of inches.
>
> I guess a hinged drop down support would also meet this need, but it woul=
d
> seem to get in the way of storage on the side of the bench.
>
> Puckdropper
> --
> Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

Years before mobile bases were common I rigged a fairly heavy
contractor's table saw so it could be moved I scrounged a couple of
rear wheels, with mount, off of a grocery cart. I drilled a couple of
holes in each and mounted them to the back back legs of the saw with
the wheels touching the floor when not moved. All I had to do was
lift the front of the saw an inch or so and I could roll it around the
shop. Not effortless but really not bad.

RonB

On 5/10/2012 3:13 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> If wheels are mounted to a work bench legs, so lifting the other end
> results in the workbench riding on the wheels, approximately how much of an
> angle would the bench need to be tipped to?
>
> Here's the scenario: My bench serves as an infeed table as well as a
> bench. Sometimes I need to move it a foot or so closer to the saw for
> support. I was wondering if putting wheels on one set of legs would make
> it easy to lift the other end to pull the bench closer to the saw. I'm not
> looking for something expensive, big, or fancy, just enough to make it
> easier to move the bench that couple of inches.
>
> I guess a hinged drop down support would also meet this need, but it would
> seem to get in the way of storage on the side of the bench.
>
> Puckdropper

My work bench is about 30 X 52 and on four caster wheels. It was built
so that it is the same height as the table saw. The bench can be moved
any where in the shop so it can be used with the table saw, drill press,
router table or any where else that it is needed.

I built this bench over 15 years ago and found it completely fulfills
the designed function. I can use it as an out feed table or on the feed
side of the saw to hold the pieces that I am working on. I usually
place the bench at a right angle to the saw on the feed side so I can
drop the cut pieces in one area and pick up the uncut pieces without a
lot of movement. (I do a lot of picture framing and stretchers.)

The first thing that someone will say is it is not stationary. To that
I respond, how many times have you pushed so hard on a piece of wood the
you are ripping on the saw that you could possibly move an out feed
table on wheels.

Additionally so what if it moves a little. the purpose of the out feed
table is to support the piece as it comes off of the saw. Even if it
moves a couple of inches it is still doing its purpose. PS In the 15
years, I don't remember it moving.

On 5/10/2012 10:20 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
> Keith that depends on what you use your bench for. I use mine to hand
> plane, scrape... having wheels would make it useless. So as long as it's
> an assembly table or infeed/outfeed no problem, when it becomes a hand
> tool bench it is a problem.
>
> On 5/10/2012 9:07 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
>> On 5/10/2012 3:13 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>>> If wheels are mounted to a work bench legs, so lifting the other end
>>> results in the workbench riding on the wheels, approximately how much
>>> of an
>>> angle would the bench need to be tipped to?
>>>
>>> Here's the scenario: My bench serves as an infeed table as well as a
>>> bench. Sometimes I need to move it a foot or so closer to the saw for
>>> support. I was wondering if putting wheels on one set of legs would make
>>> it easy to lift the other end to pull the bench closer to the saw. I'm
>>> not
>>> looking for something expensive, big, or fancy, just enough to make it
>>> easier to move the bench that couple of inches.
>>>
>>> I guess a hinged drop down support would also meet this need, but it
>>> would
>>> seem to get in the way of storage on the side of the bench.
>>>
>>> Puckdropper
>>
>> My work bench is about 30 X 52 and on four caster wheels. It was built
>> so that it is the same height as the table saw. The bench can be moved
>> any where in the shop so it can be used with the table saw, drill press,
>> router table or any where else that it is needed.
>>
>> I built this bench over 15 years ago and found it completely fulfills
>> the designed function. I can use it as an out feed table or on the feed
>> side of the saw to hold the pieces that I am working on. I usually place
>> the bench at a right angle to the saw on the feed side so I can drop the
>> cut pieces in one area and pick up the uncut pieces without a lot of
>> movement. (I do a lot of picture framing and stretchers.)
>>
>> The first thing that someone will say is it is not stationary. To that I
>> respond, how many times have you pushed so hard on a piece of wood the
>> you are ripping on the saw that you could possibly move an out feed
>> table on wheels.
>>
>> Additionally so what if it moves a little. the purpose of the out feed
>> table is to support the piece as it comes off of the saw. Even if it
>> moves a couple of inches it is still doing its purpose. PS In the 15
>> years, I don't remember it moving.
>>
>>

I picked up on "using it as an infeed table" in your original post, but
I understand if you are using it for a purpose where there is actual
force applied to the bench.

On 5/10/2012 12:13 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> If wheels are mounted to a work bench legs, so lifting the other end
> results in the workbench riding on the wheels, approximately how much of an
> angle would the bench need to be tipped to?
>
> Here's the scenario: My bench serves as an infeed table as well as a
> bench. Sometimes I need to move it a foot or so closer to the saw for
> support. I was wondering if putting wheels on one set of legs would make
> it easy to lift the other end to pull the bench closer to the saw. I'm not
> looking for something expensive, big, or fancy, just enough to make it
> easier to move the bench that couple of inches.
>
> I guess a hinged drop down support would also meet this need, but it would
> seem to get in the way of storage on the side of the bench.
>
> Puckdropper

Several years ago Norm did a work table like that, that I built.

The drop board with wheels works very well.

http://www.newyankee.com/index.php?id=53#ecwid:category=1855062&mode=product&product=7916621

On 5/10/2012 3:57 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> John Shear wrote:
>
>> I was thinking of using these casters on a planer (DW733) cabinet I'm
>> planning.
>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30842&site=ROCKLER
>>
>
> Holy Cow - you're made out of money aren't you? $79??? For 20% of that you
> can go to Harbor Freight and pick up castors that are more than sufficient
> for the task. I would not even want those extensions they are built on.
> You have to lift all of the weight of the tool with those. A wheel that
> simply sits immediately behind the leg allows you to pivot rather than lift.
> Much less weight.
>
I assume that $16 is for the four of them as that is what I paid a
little less for those on my bench.

While I did not get expensive casters, I made sure I got those with the
highest load rating for the price. Many years ago I put hard rubber
castors I believe the originals were rated 150lb+, Those lasted until
about 9 months age, I know the ones I replaced them with were rated at
175lb.


What ever you get do not get real cheap ones. With my bench I have two
shelves under the working top. While I try to control what goes in and
on the bench, a lot of weight can collect on those shelves.

On 5/11/12 9:28 AM, John Shear wrote:
> Well, that's why I said I'm thinking about it. I'm also considering
> fully-locking casters so I don't have to lift anything. But honestly, I
> spend hundreds of dollars on a good quality power tool so $79 for 4
> casters that'll last me many years is no big deal. I'm always in the
> mode of doing it right for the long term, not cheap for the short term.
> I don't understand your comment about lifting. I'd only lift one end
> (not the entire cabinet/bench) regardless of whether I use the one I
> mentioned, or the style you mentioned. But the fully-locking wheels idea
> is probably smarter.
> I haven't built anything on wheels yet - that's why I'm lurking here to
> learns the pros and cons.
>
> John S.
>
> On 05/10/2012 02:57 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> John Shear wrote:
>>
>>> I was thinking of using these casters on a planer (DW733) cabinet I'm
>>> planning.
>>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30842&site=ROCKLER
>>>
>>
>> Holy Cow - you're made out of money aren't you? $79??? For 20% of that
>> you
>> can go to Harbor Freight and pick up castors that are more than
>> sufficient
>> for the task. I would not even want those extensions they are built on.
>> You have to lift all of the weight of the tool with those. A wheel that
>> simply sits immediately behind the leg allows you to pivot rather than
>> lift.
>> Much less weight.
>>

I'm not sure why he felt the need to criticize you for wanting quality,
but hey, maybe he had a bad day.

In any case, there is no wheel you will get ay Harbor Freight that will
be the same quality as those Rockler ones. This point can't be argued
(successfully) with me. :-) I've inspected, installed, and/or purchased
and used long term every caster from HF, over the last decade. They all
end up loosening up, losing bearings, getting rough or stuck spots in
their rotation, etc, etc. What I end up doing is buying a 400lbs caster
to do a 100lbs job.
When I need something serious, that I know will be dependable over time
for something that I can't take chances with (like the road cases for my
drums), I never even consider HF casters. It sounds to me like this is
what you want.

Having said all that, be sure to see if the Rockler casters will be
strong enough for your bench. I haven't read all the details, so I don't
know. Oh... by the way, you *don't* have to lift the weight off of them
to use those foot-cam casters. I have *one* foot-cam caster on my Delta
36-982 table saw and I don't have to lift any weight to engage it. I
made another out of wood and it work without lifting. I've tried the
Rockler/woodcraft version and they all do the same.


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On 5/11/2012 10:52 AM, CW wrote:
>
>
> "John Shear" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> Well, that's why I said I'm thinking about it. I'm also considering
> fully-locking casters so I don't have to lift anything. But honestly, I
> spend hundreds of dollars on a good quality power tool so $79 for 4
> casters that'll last me many years is no big deal. I'm always in the
> mode of doing it right for the long term, not cheap for the short term.
> I don't understand your comment about lifting. I'd only lift one end
> (not the entire cabinet/bench) regardless of whether I use the one I
> mentioned, or the style you mentioned. But the fully-locking wheels
> idea is probably smarter.
> I haven't built anything on wheels yet - that's why I'm lurking here to
> learns the pros and cons.
>
> Take a look at this.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HENMh1FWtj0&feature=related
> Look around while there. there are more designs.

If you have never built or had equipment/work benches on wheels, I think
you will like the idea once you get use to the idea.

I worked in a labs for years. In the 90's the lab suppliers started
pushing mobile equipment benches. This was a great idea.

You could not only move the benches into positions that were convenient
for the operation you were doing but could also position the bench so
that you could walk around it to get to the best possible angle to work
on the your project on the bench.

While I work alone most of the time there are time that a second set of
hands are necessary. With the traditional fixed bench you have to try
to get into position from the one side. With the movable bench the
second set of hands can come in from the opposite side of the bench you
are working on.

How many times have you been working on something that is too long for
the traditional bench, and when lay on the bench you can not get to the
proper angle to do what you want. When it's to long, with wheeled
benches you can move the bench to a new position and if necessary use
clamps to to maintain the piece in the most convenient position to
perform the operation.

On 5/11/12 10:54 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm not sure why he felt the need to criticize you for wanting
>> quality, but hey, maybe he had a bad day.
>
> I did not criticize John. As I state in a follow up post - I had mistaken
> how those wheels mounted. Even at that, there is nothing critical in what I
> said to John.
>

"Holy Cow - you're made out of money aren't you?"

No, that's not critical at all. :-p


>>
>> In any case, there is no wheel you will get ay Harbor Freight that
>> will be the same quality as those Rockler ones.
>
> Perhaps true, but there are indeed wheels at Harbor Freight that will do the
> job just fine, for the long run.
>

There are, indeed. Problem is, you just never know if they are the ones
on the shelf or not. They differ *drastically* from lot to lot. If
their purpose is something you can gamble on, I recommend HF casters.
If it's important, I recommend a quality caster from a reputable dealer.
http://myerstruck.com/ in Nashville is where I get the one I need to
count on. All the companies would build giant road cases for production
companies get theirs from Myers, too.


>> This point can't be
>> argued (successfully) with me. :-) I've inspected, installed, and/or
>> purchased and used long term every caster from HF, over the last
>> decade. They all end up loosening up, losing bearings, getting rough
>> or stuck spots in their rotation, etc, etc. What I end up doing is
>> buying a 400lbs caster to do a 100lbs job.
>
> I have experienced that with some of their castors/wheels, but certainly not
> with all of them.
>
>> Oh... by the way, you *don't* have to lift the weight off
>> of them to use those foot-cam casters. I have *one* foot-cam caster
>> on my Delta 36-982 table saw and I don't have to lift any weight to
>> engage it.
>
> As I stated in a follow up - I was mistaken in how they worked.
>

After I posted my reply. I can't tell the future.
Had I read your followup, I wouldn't have said anything.


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On 5/11/12 11:20 AM, John Shear wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback, that those casters don't require me to lift. As
> I mentioned in my original post, my application would be for a cabinet
> for my DW733 benchtop planer so I'm not dealing with a big workbench.
> We don't have a Harbor Freight, Home Depot, Lowes, Woodcraft, Rockler,
> etc. within a reasonable driving distance so all I have to go on is what
> I see in the catalog, online info, and input from this newsgroup. We
> have lots of Menards nearby but I try hard to avoid buying anything
> there because most of it's junk. However, for some things (MDO, closet
> organizers) it's the only source available. I used to get a HF catalog
> but it looked like a lot of cheap junk so I avoided that. But I do at
> least look around for the options.
>
> John S.
>

I looked up your planer and those Rockler wheels would be more than
adequate the job.
Have you seen the DEWALT DW7350? Looks like you can get it for about
$140 and be done with it. Even if you decide to build your own, check
out the design of the Dewalt. There's only one cam and it's on the
inside. Great advantages to this: wheels do not increase the footprint
of the base making storage much easier, and there's only one cam to
press instead of four.

Google "mobile base" and you'll see the single cam design used a lot.
You might get by using one expensive wheel and two cheap ones.


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On 5/11/12 12:31 PM, John Shear wrote:
> Yep, saw the DW7350 - thanks for the helpful references. I am making a
> custom cabinet design so I can have drawers for blades, bits, and other
> general router and table saw "stuff". I'm a bit of a neat freak and want
> all my accessories stored in drawers or behind doors. :) Also surfing
> the net for better ideas for infeed/outfeed tables.
>
> John S.
>

Can't wait to see the finished product.


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On 5/11/12 1:57 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> "Mike Marlow"<[email protected]> writes:
>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 5/11/12 10:54 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure why he felt the need to criticize you for wanting
>>>>>> quality, but hey, maybe he had a bad day.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did not criticize John. As I state in a follow up post - I had
>>>>> mistaken how those wheels mounted. Even at that, there is nothing
>>>>> critical in what I said to John.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Holy Cow - you're made out of money aren't you?"
>>>>
>>>> No, that's not critical at all. :-p
>>>
>>> Mike - it's not. It was a humorous statement. If you insist on
>>> seeing it as critical, then nothing I can say will change that. I'd
>>> think I know better, what I was intending to say than you do. You
>>> can take my word for it or ignore it.
>>
>> You should probably have said nothing then, since I also agree with
>> -MIKE-
>> that it sounded as if you were critical of the OP's choices and
>> decision process.
>>
>> Simply suggesting that HF also carried castors would have been
>> sufficient.
>>
>
> If my explanation does not work for anyone, they can think what they wish.
> Geeze - getting to be a bunch of nannys here. Doesn't it make sense that if
> I were being critical, I would not have added the addition comments that I
> thought might be helpful?
>

It makes sense that you would use an emoticon to avoid confusion in the
first place. Emoticons are to usenet what turn signals turn are to traffic.
Why not just use them, as easy as they are to use, to avoid confusion?

But you're the one who's making a big deal out of this. :-p


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"John Shear" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

I was thinking of using these casters on a planer (DW733) cabinet I'm
planning.
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30842&site=ROCKLER
******************************************************
I like to go the other way, that is to put the machine on wheels, then a
bolt with a handle on top is screwed down to lift the wheel off the ground.
Good security, and it makes the machine level no matter how uneven the
floor.

-- Jim in NC

Puckdropper,

take a look at these:
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30842&filter=43501

BTW did you get your handle by being a hockey ref? Still do it?

On 5/10/2012 3:13 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> If wheels are mounted to a work bench legs, so lifting the other end
> results in the workbench riding on the wheels, approximately how much of an
> angle would the bench need to be tipped to?
>
> Here's the scenario: My bench serves as an infeed table as well as a
> bench. Sometimes I need to move it a foot or so closer to the saw for
> support. I was wondering if putting wheels on one set of legs would make
> it easy to lift the other end to pull the bench closer to the saw. I'm not
> looking for something expensive, big, or fancy, just enough to make it
> easier to move the bench that couple of inches.
>
> I guess a hinged drop down support would also meet this need, but it would
> seem to get in the way of storage on the side of the bench.
>
> Puckdropper

Keith that depends on what you use your bench for. I use mine to hand
plane, scrape... having wheels would make it useless. So as long as it's
an assembly table or infeed/outfeed no problem, when it becomes a hand
tool bench it is a problem.

On 5/10/2012 9:07 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 5/10/2012 3:13 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>> If wheels are mounted to a work bench legs, so lifting the other end
>> results in the workbench riding on the wheels, approximately how much
>> of an
>> angle would the bench need to be tipped to?
>>
>> Here's the scenario: My bench serves as an infeed table as well as a
>> bench. Sometimes I need to move it a foot or so closer to the saw for
>> support. I was wondering if putting wheels on one set of legs would make
>> it easy to lift the other end to pull the bench closer to the saw. I'm
>> not
>> looking for something expensive, big, or fancy, just enough to make it
>> easier to move the bench that couple of inches.
>>
>> I guess a hinged drop down support would also meet this need, but it
>> would
>> seem to get in the way of storage on the side of the bench.
>>
>> Puckdropper
>
> My work bench is about 30 X 52 and on four caster wheels. It was built
> so that it is the same height as the table saw. The bench can be moved
> any where in the shop so it can be used with the table saw, drill press,
> router table or any where else that it is needed.
>
> I built this bench over 15 years ago and found it completely fulfills
> the designed function. I can use it as an out feed table or on the feed
> side of the saw to hold the pieces that I am working on. I usually place
> the bench at a right angle to the saw on the feed side so I can drop the
> cut pieces in one area and pick up the uncut pieces without a lot of
> movement. (I do a lot of picture framing and stretchers.)
>
> The first thing that someone will say is it is not stationary. To that I
> respond, how many times have you pushed so hard on a piece of wood the
> you are ripping on the saw that you could possibly move an out feed
> table on wheels.
>
> Additionally so what if it moves a little. the purpose of the out feed
> table is to support the piece as it comes off of the saw. Even if it
> moves a couple of inches it is still doing its purpose. PS In the 15
> years, I don't remember it moving.
>
>
>
>
>
>