In general, Amazon offers some good deals.
But there is a "however" documented by recent
observations that deserves elaboration:
1. The price Amazon offered on one tool was more than 40% higher
than that obtainable at a local big box during the height of the Xmas
season.
Sure, you have to shop around but the discrepancy was whopping
if you preconceive Amazon as reliably competitive.
2. Amazon sent me an email offering deals on certain tools it modeled
would be of interest. One tool was already in my shopping cart.
Separately checking the cart showed the tool pegged at
a figure $10 lower than their email offer.
3. Deciding to read all of the reviews on an item, I opened a new
page just for that purpose. After moving through a succession of
new windows--and seventy some reviews or so--I noticed the
price on the last review page for the merchandise was now measurably
higher than that featured on the original item-description page still
open.
Reloading the original item-description page did not make that price
leap to the higher figure on the last review page.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
CW wrote:
>
> 'Quiting is easyer than it ever has been. My wife took Chantix and
> had no more desire to smoke by day two. In my case, I am on a
> medication for something else but one of its side effects is that I
> get sick as a dog if I smoke. For anybody who wants to quit, do
> yourself a favor and see a doctor. The off the shelf quit smoking
> stuff has a very high failure rate.
Chantix has been great for some people like your wife, and it has been
either ineffective or even problematic for many others.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 18:04:17 -0800, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 2011-01-07 20:27:39 -0500, "CW" <[email protected]> said:
>>
>>> Once it is reached (they aren't far from it now), a new criminal
>>> enterprise will appear: Tobacco smuggling.
>>
>> Obviously, you've not been paying attention for the last twenty or thirty
>> years.
>>
>
>Sure have. My uncle got busted running cigarettes in the mid 70s. It hasn't
>reached the level it needs to yet. Go smugglers.
I hope I'm on the jury.
"Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 13:50:25 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:25:12 -0800, "DGDevin"
>>> <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Edward Hennessey" wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>> In general, Amazon offers some good deals.
>>>>
>>>>> But there is a "however" documented by recent
>>>>> observations that deserves elaboration:
>>>>
>>>>I've bought quite a few tools from Amazon, and often they've had
>>>>the
>>>>lowest
>>>>price as well as free shipping. *But* you need to do your
>>>>homework,
>>>>as
>>>>sometimes you can find better deals elsewhere at a given moment.
>>>>I
>>>>also
>>>>dislike their use of "list" prices which are so ridiculously high
>>>>that their
>>>>claimed discount is meaningless. Their prices really do go up and
>>>>down too,
>>>>leave a few items in your shopping cart for awhile and note how
>>>>the
>>>>prices
>>>>change over the weeks and months.
>>>
>>> I suspect they are doing that deliberately to grab your attention
>>> and
>>> maybe get you to order the stuff.
>>>
>>
>>Thanks to DGD for the comment. If you go to camelcamelcamel.com, you
>>can
>>plug in an Amazon URL and chart price movement among 3 classes of
>>resellers,
>>Amazon included. Price alerts can also be dispatched to you if you
>>register on
>>the site, AFAIK. Any report on the site would be worthwhile.
>>
>>The correlations in price development among retailer groups
>>are interesting. As to price upswings, on the big A , part of
>>that may involve a calculation by Amazon that if they jump a
>>price notches higher a formulaic number of times,
>>a person who has placed it in their cart--along with other waiting
>>"wannabuys"--may be triggered to buy at some point on the
>>apprehension
>>that the bill for a desired product is spiraling beyond reach.
>>
>>Acsquisition and operating costs and
>>competition are other obvious drivers in this flux but what some may
>>say is shifty manipulation or gaming by Amazon is not apart from
>>the
>>picture.
>>
>>Hey, Sphero, for some reason your name is tolling the bell of
>>association with
>
> More Spehro than Sphero.. now that I've lost ~50lb... ;-)
SP:
My wonderment gives. If it is not intrusive or unwanted, could you
do me the favor of explaining the origin and meaning of your full
handle? Not since going to court with one Pratsersak Vathavornchotni
--a moniker than eventuated as intelligible--has a name captured
so much unknown in its composition.
Regards and "Dum spiro, spero",
Edward Hennessey
"Ignoramus29524" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2011-01-07, Spehro Pefhany <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 13:34:13 -0600, Ignoramus29524
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>I also recently received an email from them warning me that they will
>>>be terminating all Illinois Amazon affiliates.
>>>
>>>i
>>
>> Why? Some kind of pissing match about income reporting?
>>
>
> Illinois wants Amazon to pay sales tax for items sold to IL
> residents.
>
> So they are passing a law that says that any web retailer that has
> affiliates in IL, has "physical presence" or something like that, and
> is obligated to pay. So, amazon said, it will just terminate all
> Illinois affiliates.
>
> Since I do not make any money from anazon affiliate program, I do not
> personally care too much.
>
> i
They already pay sales tax in Washington state.
"Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Ignoramus29524" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>I also recently received an email from them warning me that they will
>> be terminating all Illinois Amazon affiliates.
>>
>> i
>
> I:
>
> I affiliates in other states are not being terminated, you have to wonder
> what new
> Illinois' law they disagree with and, if it isn't obvious, why.
>
> Regards,
>
> Edward Hennessey
>
>
Illinois isn't the only state that is attempting to collect taxes from
Amazon.
http://tinyurl.com/3y6xfjj
Max
"Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 13:34:13 -0600, Ignoramus29524
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I also recently received an email from them warning me that they will
>>be terminating all Illinois Amazon affiliates.
>>
>>i
>
> Why? Some kind of pissing match about income reporting?
>
http://tinyurl.com/3y6xfjj
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> They already pay sales tax in Washington state.
That is because Amazon is physically located in Washington state. Their
headquarters and some warehouses are here. They took over the big, old
public health hospital on Beacon Hill in Seattle for their headquarters.
Much of their shipping for the book business used to be here too. Until
they hired a guy from California.
He pointed out that they were in an earthquake zone. And as per cooperate
earthquake rules, you never have more than a third of your corporate
business function in an earthquake zone. So they started backing everything
up in several locations and making plans for moving people if a big
earthquake happened. And they started establishing warehouses and shipping
centers elsewhere. It was a big deal because, wherever they built, they
would have collect sales tax on local sales.
And they did. But they draw the line on a referral sale. I wonder how much
money is being lost by the state who insist on doing this. They know that
they can't charge tax to folks outside of the state. The do collect taxes on
the various businesses in the state no matter who they sell to. And they
now are losing that tax.
Apparently they are upset that they don't get to double tax the sale.
On 1/9/2011 1:45 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
> "Snag" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> [email protected] says...
>>>>
>>>> "CW" wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Until I quit, I was rolling my own.
>>>>
>>>> Good for you on quitting, if you've ever seen a smoker die of lung
>>>> cancer you'll know good an idea it was to kick the habit.
>>>
>>> If you've ever seen two non-smokers die of colon and pancreatic cancer
>>> you'll know that it doesn't make a rat's ass whether you smoke or
>>> not-- something's going to kill you and if you're lucky it will be
>>> motorcycle crash.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> Works for me , and nearly did twice . Since I'm not ready to leave yet
>> , I ride more carefully now . But hey , might as well check out doing
>> something ya love !
>> BTW , I'll be tobacco-free 6 years in March . I
>
> Congrats! 5 years for me May 1st.
Lucky 13 years for me January 27th - and my hearty congrats to all who
can do it.
On 2011-01-07 18:16:50 -0500, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> said:
> * To raise the state income tax by 75% for the next four years, and
> * Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
That "75% increase" sounds worse than saying the state income tax will
rise from something like 3.2% to 5.5%. Doesn't it now? ...particularly
when you're trying to tar a specific political party.
A pack of cigarettes costs, what, $10.80 in New York? Most of that is
taxes, too.
If you haven't already, this would be a good time to stop smoking.
On 2011-01-07 20:27:39 -0500, "CW" <[email protected]> said:
> Once it is reached (they aren't far from it now), a new criminal
> enterprise will appear: Tobacco smuggling.
Obviously, you've not been paying attention for the last twenty or
thirty years.
Edward Hennessey wrote:
> "Ignoramus29524" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]...
>> I also recently received an email from them warning me that they will
>> be terminating all Illinois Amazon affiliates.
>>
>> i
>
> I:
>
> I affiliates in other states are not being terminated, you have to
> wonder what new
> Illinois' law they disagree with and, if it isn't obvious, why.
>
Illinois just announced they were moving to collect sales tax on internet
purchases.
In 1992, the Supreme Court ruled a state cannot do so unless the company
they are attacking has some sort of physical presence in the state (Quill v.
North Dakota). Amazon is terminating affiliates in order to disconnect from
any possible physical presence.
If Amazon allowed its affiliates to remain part of the Amazon family, Amazon
would be obliged to collect the Illinois sales tax and forward it to the
state.
In addition to the internet business, the Democrat-controlled state
legislature intends:
* To raise the state income tax by 75% for the next four years, and
* Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> CW wrote:
>>
>>> * Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
>>
>>
>> They're going to continue to do crap like this until a tipping point
>> is reached. Once it is reached (they aren't far from it now), a new
>> criminal enterprise will appear: Tobacco smuggling. Not only are they
>> no longer going to be able to collect tax on it, it is going to be
>> quite expensive as law enforcement have then got something else to
>> deal with. I don't smoke myself but when it gets to that point, I
>> will buy one case of cigarettes a month (maybe more depending on
>> price) to support the black market.
>
> There's a loophole. The federal definition of "cigarette" is
> "blah-blah-blah and contained within a paper sleeve."
>
> I buy faux CIGARS that are not subject to the Draconian cigarette tax.
> They're the same size as a cigarette, have a filter, come in Menthol, are
> twenty to a pack, taste exactly the same as a cigarette, but are contained
> in a TOBACCO sleeve (or at least paper made from tobacco).
>
> They cost $10.90 per carton instead of the $45-$60 cost of the traditional
> fags. I get 'em at Sam's (and probably Costco or any Stop-And-Rob bodego).
>
Until I quit, I was rolling my own. The brand of tobacco I used was sold
labeled in two different ways. One said cigarette tobacco and the other said
pipe tobacco. Exactly the same stuff but the pipe tobacco was less than half
the cost.
On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:25:12 -0800, "DGDevin" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>
>"Edward Hennessey" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> In general, Amazon offers some good deals.
>
>> But there is a "however" documented by recent
>> observations that deserves elaboration:
>
>I've bought quite a few tools from Amazon, and often they've had the lowest
>price as well as free shipping. *But* you need to do your homework, as
>sometimes you can find better deals elsewhere at a given moment. I also
>dislike their use of "list" prices which are so ridiculously high that their
>claimed discount is meaningless. Their prices really do go up and down too,
>leave a few items in your shopping cart for awhile and note how the prices
>change over the weeks and months.
I suspect they are doing that deliberately to grab your attention and
maybe get you to order the stuff.
On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 11:22:43 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In general, Amazon offers some good deals.
>
>But there is a "however" documented by recent
>observations that deserves elaboration:
>
>1. The price Amazon offered on one tool was more than 40% higher
>than that obtainable at a local big box during the height of the Xmas
>season.
>Sure, you have to shop around but the discrepancy was whopping
>if you preconceive Amazon as reliably competitive.
I bought a Bosch Multi-X from Lowes for $129 on Black Friday, with a free 12V
driver. Amazon wanted $179 for the Multi-X alone. I don't believe anyone
ever said that Amazon was *always* the cheapest. They did beat the crap out
of everyone else on my Unisaw, though.
>2. Amazon sent me an email offering deals on certain tools it modeled
>would be of interest. One tool was already in my shopping cart.
>Separately checking the cart showed the tool pegged at
>a figure $10 lower than their email offer.
Again, not surprising. Likely from a different e-tailer, through Amazon.
>3. Deciding to read all of the reviews on an item, I opened a new
>page just for that purpose. After moving through a succession of
>new windows--and seventy some reviews or so--I noticed the
>price on the last review page for the merchandise was now measurably
>higher than that featured on the original item-description page still
>open.
>Reloading the original item-description page did not make that price
>leap to the higher figure on the last review page.
Software isn't perfect. Who wudda thunk.
"Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 13:50:25 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>Hey, Sphero, for some reason your name is tolling the bell of
>>association with
>
> More Spehro than Sphero.. now that I've lost ~50lb... ;-)
>
>>one John Woodgate, either correctly or no. If rightly, do you know
>>what
>>became of him?
>
> True enough. John Woodgate (a Brit)... well, I suspect he got fed
> up
> with all the US political BS on s.e.d. (not to mention rudeness and
> low signal to noise ratio) and left some years ago. He's quite
> active
> on one electronic simulation group that I subscribe to (posted
> within
> the last 30 minutes- about 9:35 pm London time).
>
> Here's John's website if you should wish to contact him- he is very
> knowledgeable on matters of pro audio standards and such, and I
> think
> Spanish translation.
>
> http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/
>
SP:
Please have my apologies for the global nymshift but I'm sure you get
that conversion to the less-unique lookalike with some frequency.
Congratulations putting some of the ponderous pounds behind you.
You'll live longer; that's often the preference.
John and I are well-acquainted. If you get a chance to inform him
of my inquiry, he may find the fond sentiment tolerable.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
"Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I suspect they are doing that deliberately to grab your attention and
> maybe get you to order the stuff.
Maybe, retailers sometimes play games with prices for such reasons. But it
could also be because they noticed a competitor cut their price and so
Amazon is going to beat them by five bucks, or because they bought a
trailer-load and got a deal, or the wholesaler raised the price....
"CW" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> In addition to the internet business, the Democrat-controlled state
> legislature intends:
>
> * To raise the state income tax by 75%
That sounds totally democtrat.
>for the next four years,
Right. Get used to paying that tax. It will be permanent.
> * Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
They're going to continue to do crap like this until a tipping point is
reached. Once it is reached (they aren't far from it now), a new criminal
enterprise will appear: Tobacco smuggling. Not only are they no longer going
to be able to collect tax on it, it is going to be quite expensive as law
enforcement have then got something else to deal with. I don't smoke myself
but when it gets to that point, I will buy one case of cigarettes a month
(maybe more depending on price) to support the black market.
Reply:
Is already happening in NYC. Their extra tax made the price of a pack
$13-15. There are still as many cigarettes being sold, but the tax receipts
are down.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124804682785163691.html
"Ignoramus29524" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
>I also recently received an email from them warning me that they will
> be terminating all Illinois Amazon affiliates.
>
> i
I:
I affiliates in other states are not being terminated, you have to
wonder what new
Illinois' law they disagree with and, if it isn't obvious, why.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
DGDevin wrote:
> "CW" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
> > Until I quit, I was rolling my own.
>
> Good for you on quitting, if you've ever seen a smoker die of lung
> cancer you'll know good an idea it was to kick the habit.
I've also seen a 35 year old man in good shape have a heart attack thanks to
smoking for the previous 20 years.
--
Reply in group, but if emailing add one more
zero, and remove the last word.
"HeyBub" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Neither does it tell us the motivations behind those do-gooders who want
> to nag us, tax us, and ultimately outlaw those things that we freely
> choose.
As I said, I respect your right to poison yourself however you please. It's
when you want to sit beside me on an airliner and fire up a cigarette every
half hour that I'm willing to let the govt. pass a law preventing you from
doing that.
"Markem" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 17:16:50 -0600, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Edward Hennessey wrote:
>>> "Ignoramus29524" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> message news:[email protected]...
>>>> I also recently received an email from them warning me that they will
>>>> be terminating all Illinois Amazon affiliates.
>>>>
>>>> i
>>>
>>> I:
>>>
>>> I affiliates in other states are not being terminated, you have to
>>> wonder what new
>>> Illinois' law they disagree with and, if it isn't obvious, why.
>>>
>>
>>Illinois just announced they were moving to collect sales tax on internet
>>purchases.
>>
>>In 1992, the Supreme Court ruled a state cannot do so unless the company
>>they are attacking has some sort of physical presence in the state (Quill
>>v.
>>North Dakota). Amazon is terminating affiliates in order to disconnect
>>from
>>any possible physical presence.
>>
>>If Amazon allowed its affiliates to remain part of the Amazon family,
>>Amazon
>>would be obliged to collect the Illinois sales tax and forward it to the
>>state.
Kind of jumping in the middle here... orders from Buy.com and Amazon.com
have incurred New York state and local sales tax for a number of years
now... My order volume from them dropped as it took away the price
advantage. Other out of state companies have taken up the slack...
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> If you've ever seen two non-smokers die of colon and pancreatic cancer
> you'll know that it doesn't make a rat's ass whether you smoke or not--
> something's going to kill you and if you're lucky it will be motorcycle
> crash.
That something will kill each of us doesn't mean we have nothing to say
about improving the odds of certain things killing us. Nor does it mean
that some deaths aren't more unpleasant than others, i.e. lung cancer vs. a
heart attack. I also hope you at least are considerate enough not to take
other people with you when you crash that scooter.
"Steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2011-01-07 20:27:39 -0500, "CW" <[email protected]> said:
>
>> Once it is reached (they aren't far from it now), a new criminal
>> enterprise will appear: Tobacco smuggling.
>
> Obviously, you've not been paying attention for the last twenty or thirty
> years.
>
Sure have. My uncle got busted running cigarettes in the mid 70s. It hasn't
reached the level it needs to yet. Go smugglers.
Martin Eastburn wrote:
> What is the brand name.
>
>
My, there's lots of brands (now). Just go to Sam's (or wherever) and ask.
Start with the cheapest and work up.
Here are a couple of examples:
Clipper
http://www.gothamcigars.com/Clipper-Cigars/products/233/
Supreme (these are $16/carton on this web site but I pay $11 at Sams)
http://www.gothamcigars.com/Supreme-Blend-Filtered-Cigars/products/200/
If you're a smoker, I recommend you invest less than $20 and experiment. If
the new brand is palatable, you'll save $2,000 a year. If you just can't
stand them, you're out a double sawbuck. Twenty dollars to possibly save
$2000 sounds like a reasonable gamble.
It's a better deal than switching to CFLs!
What is the brand name.
On 1/7/2011 8:19 PM, HeyBub wrote:
> CW wrote:
>>
>>> * Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
>>
>>
>> They're going to continue to do crap like this until a tipping point
>> is reached. Once it is reached (they aren't far from it now), a new
>> criminal enterprise will appear: Tobacco smuggling. Not only are they
>> no longer going to be able to collect tax on it, it is going to be
>> quite expensive as law enforcement have then got something else to
>> deal with. I don't smoke myself but when it gets to that point, I
>> will buy one case of cigarettes a month (maybe more depending on
>> price) to support the black market.
>
> There's a loophole. The federal definition of "cigarette" is "blah-blah-blah
> and contained within a paper sleeve."
>
> I buy faux CIGARS that are not subject to the Draconian cigarette tax.
> They're the same size as a cigarette, have a filter, come in Menthol, are
> twenty to a pack, taste exactly the same as a cigarette, but are contained
> in a TOBACCO sleeve (or at least paper made from tobacco).
>
> They cost $10.90 per carton instead of the $45-$60 cost of the traditional
> fags. I get 'em at Sam's (and probably Costco or any Stop-And-Rob bodego).
>
>
J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>>
>> "CW" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>> Until I quit, I was rolling my own.
>>
>> Good for you on quitting, if you've ever seen a smoker die of lung
>> cancer you'll know good an idea it was to kick the habit.
>
> If you've ever seen two non-smokers die of colon and pancreatic cancer
> you'll know that it doesn't make a rat's ass whether you smoke or
> not-- something's going to kill you and if you're lucky it will be
> motorcycle crash.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Works for me , and nearly did twice . Since I'm not ready to leave yet , I
ride more carefully now . But hey , might as well check out doing something
ya love !
BTW , I'll be tobacco-free 6 years in March . I also avoid other behaviors
that have been shown to assist in an early demise , such as avoiding fried
foods , not driving drunk , etc .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "CW" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > In addition to the internet business, the Democrat-controlled state
> > legislature intends:
> >
> > * To raise the state income tax by 75%
>
> That sounds totally democtrat.
>
> >for the next four years,
>
> Right. Get used to paying that tax. It will be permanent.
>
>
> > * Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
>
>
> They're going to continue to do crap like this until a tipping point is
> reached. Once it is reached (they aren't far from it now), a new criminal
> enterprise will appear: Tobacco smuggling. Not only are they no longer going
> to be able to collect tax on it, it is going to be quite expensive as law
> enforcement have then got something else to deal with. I don't smoke myself
> but when it gets to that point, I will buy one case of cigarettes a month
> (maybe more depending on price) to support the black market.
>
> Reply:
> Is already happening in NYC. Their extra tax made the price of a pack
> $13-15. There are still as many cigarettes being sold, but the tax receipts
> are down.
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124804682785163691.html
Quit smoking. It's bad for you.
s
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> In news:[email protected],
> sam <[email protected]> spewed forth:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] says...
> >>
> >> "CW" wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >>
> >> "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >>>
> >>> In addition to the internet business, the Democrat-controlled state
> >>> legislature intends:
> >>>
> >>> * To raise the state income tax by 75%
> >>
> >> That sounds totally democtrat.
> >>
> >>> for the next four years,
> >>
> >> Right. Get used to paying that tax. It will be permanent.
> >>
> >>
> >>> * Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
> >>
> >>
> >> They're going to continue to do crap like this until a tipping point
> >> is reached. Once it is reached (they aren't far from it now), a new
> >> criminal enterprise will appear: Tobacco smuggling. Not only are
> >> they no longer going to be able to collect tax on it, it is going to
> >> be quite expensive as law enforcement have then got something else
> >> to deal with. I don't smoke myself but when it gets to that point, I
> >> will buy one case of cigarettes a month (maybe more depending on
> >> price) to support the black market.
> >>
> >> Reply:
> >> Is already happening in NYC. Their extra tax made the price of a
> >> pack $13-15. There are still as many cigarettes being sold, but the
> >> tax receipts are down.
> >> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124804682785163691.html
> >
> > Quit smoking. It's bad for you.
> >
> > s
>
> if everybody quits, do you think the gvnmt will cut the billions they
> recieve in taxes from their budgets or just find someone or something else
> to tax?
The political pendulum has swung back and forth
long before you and I were born, and it will swing back
and forth long after you and I are dead, regardless
of how much we fret about it.
Either way, smoking is really bad for you.
s
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> CW wrote:
> >
> >> * Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
> >
> >
> > They're going to continue to do crap like this until a tipping point
> > is reached. Once it is reached (they aren't far from it now), a new
> > criminal enterprise will appear: Tobacco smuggling. Not only are they
> > no longer going to be able to collect tax on it, it is going to be
> > quite expensive as law enforcement have then got something else to
> > deal with. I don't smoke myself but when it gets to that point, I
> > will buy one case of cigarettes a month (maybe more depending on
> > price) to support the black market.
>
> There's a loophole. The federal definition of "cigarette" is "blah-blah-blah
> and contained within a paper sleeve."
>
> I buy faux CIGARS that are not subject to the Draconian cigarette tax.
> They're the same size as a cigarette, have a filter, come in Menthol, are
> twenty to a pack, taste exactly the same as a cigarette, but are contained
> in a TOBACCO sleeve (or at least paper made from tobacco).
>
> They cost $10.90 per carton instead of the $45-$60 cost of the traditional
> fags. I get 'em at Sam's (and probably Costco or any Stop-And-Rob bodego).
And a sad world it is when cigars are the cheap alternative to
cigarettes. But not too sad--Carl Swisher built most of my alma mater.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "CW" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
> > Until I quit, I was rolling my own.
>
> Good for you on quitting, if you've ever seen a smoker die of lung cancer
> you'll know good an idea it was to kick the habit.
If you've ever seen two non-smokers die of colon and pancreatic cancer
you'll know that it doesn't make a rat's ass whether you smoke or not--
something's going to kill you and if you're lucky it will be motorcycle
crash.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "J. Clarke" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > If you've ever seen two non-smokers die of colon and pancreatic cancer
> > you'll know that it doesn't make a rat's ass whether you smoke or not--
> > something's going to kill you and if you're lucky it will be motorcycle
> > crash.
>
> That something will kill each of us doesn't mean we have nothing to say
> about improving the odds of certain things killing us. Nor does it mean
> that some deaths aren't more unpleasant than others, i.e. lung cancer vs. a
> heart attack.
So tell us how to make a heart attack more likely than lung cancer and
how to make sure that it's fatal instead of just killing most of the
heart muscle so that you can't _do_ anything anymore except pray that
your number comes up on the transplant list.
> I also hope you at least are considerate enough not to take
> other people with you when you crash that scooter.
You really have to work at taking other people with you when you crash a
motorcycle.
The bottom line on this is that you ARE going to die and you have no
control over the cause. Yes, you can play the odds but that doesn't
mean that you will win. People who smoke also play the odds and if they
get hit but a bus at 25 they win. If they get an Oscar at 80 and die of
the flu at 100 without ever having had cancer or heart disease they win
too.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> "Steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 2011-01-07 18:16:50 -0500, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> said:
> >
> >> * To raise the state income tax by 75% for the next four years, and
> >> * Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
> >
> > That "75% increase" sounds worse than saying the state income tax will
> > rise from something like 3.2% to 5.5%. Doesn't it now? ...particularly
> > when you're trying to tar a specific political party.
> >
> > A pack of cigarettes costs, what, $10.80 in New York? Most of that is
> > taxes, too.
> >
> > If you haven't already, this would be a good time to stop smoking.
>
> The 75% increase is from 3% to 5.25%.
>
> Only 10 states have a lower tax rate on the median income than Illinois and
> eight of them don't have any income tax.
>
> We should have gone to 3.25% ten years ago. We wouldn't be in the mess we
> are now.
You should have fired a bunch of bureaucrats ten years ago. As long as
there is unstolen money in the hands fo the people, the size of
government will increase. Its growth will cease only when it collapses
under its own weight.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "J. Clarke" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >> That something will kill each of us doesn't mean we have nothing to say
> >> about improving the odds of certain things killing us. Nor does it mean
> >> that some deaths aren't more unpleasant than others, i.e. lung cancer vs.
> >> a
> >> heart attack.
>
> > So tell us how to make a heart attack more likely than lung cancer
>
> Quote me saying that was possible. Although now that you mention it, not
> smoking is a good way to improve your odds of dying from either one.
So what will you die of instead?
> >> I also hope you at least are considerate enough not to take
> >> other people with you when you crash that scooter.
>
> > You really have to work at taking other people with you when you crash a
> > motorcycle.
>
> There seem to be two ways: Japanese donor cycles at high speeds, and Harleys
> (being big and heavy enough to take out people in enclosed vehicles).
>
> > The bottom line on this is that you ARE going to die and you have no
> > control over the cause. Yes, you can play the odds
>
> These statements are mutually exclusive because if you can change the odds
> then you do have some control.
The gambler's fallacy, that playing the odds gives you control.
> You *can* influence the odds, not with certainty, but you can still shift
> them in your favor for specific causes. So being a hard-drinking overweight
> smoker won't guarantee death from cardio-vascular disease, but it sure
> shifts the odds in that direction, and at an earlier age too. However, as I
> said, you have the right to invite whatever end you please provided you
> aren't spreading it around.
You're still going to die.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> YOU may never know.
Never know what? That you're going to die? You are, trust me on this.
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> You're still going to die.
In article <is%[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> Based on history that would be true.
>
> You are attempting to predict the future so "YOU may never know"
It is true that I may never know with certainty that you have died.
However that you _will_ die is the only thing more certain than that you
will be required to pay taxes.
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> Never know what? That you're going to die? You are, trust me on this.
>
>
>
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> YOU may never know.
>
>
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> You're still going to die.
"Matt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 1/9/2011 1:45 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>> "Snag" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>> [email protected] says...
>>>>>
>>>>> "CW" wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Until I quit, I was rolling my own.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good for you on quitting, if you've ever seen a smoker die of lung
>>>>> cancer you'll know good an idea it was to kick the habit.
>>>>
>>>> If you've ever seen two non-smokers die of colon and pancreatic cancer
>>>> you'll know that it doesn't make a rat's ass whether you smoke or
>>>> not-- something's going to kill you and if you're lucky it will be
>>>> motorcycle crash.
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>> Works for me , and nearly did twice . Since I'm not ready to leave yet
>>> , I ride more carefully now . But hey , might as well check out doing
>>> something ya love !
>>> BTW , I'll be tobacco-free 6 years in March . I
>>
>> Congrats! 5 years for me May 1st.
> Lucky 13 years for me January 27th - and my hearty congrats to all who can
> do it.
'Quiting is easyer than it ever has been. My wife took Chantix and had no
more desire to smoke by day two. In my case, I am on a medication for
something else but one of its side effects is that I get sick as a dog if I
smoke. For anybody who wants to quit, do yourself a favor and see a doctor.
The off the shelf quit smoking stuff has a very high failure rate.
CW wrote:
>
>> * Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
>
>
> They're going to continue to do crap like this until a tipping point
> is reached. Once it is reached (they aren't far from it now), a new
> criminal enterprise will appear: Tobacco smuggling. Not only are they
> no longer going to be able to collect tax on it, it is going to be
> quite expensive as law enforcement have then got something else to
> deal with. I don't smoke myself but when it gets to that point, I
> will buy one case of cigarettes a month (maybe more depending on
> price) to support the black market.
There's a loophole. The federal definition of "cigarette" is "blah-blah-blah
and contained within a paper sleeve."
I buy faux CIGARS that are not subject to the Draconian cigarette tax.
They're the same size as a cigarette, have a filter, come in Menthol, are
twenty to a pack, taste exactly the same as a cigarette, but are contained
in a TOBACCO sleeve (or at least paper made from tobacco).
They cost $10.90 per carton instead of the $45-$60 cost of the traditional
fags. I get 'em at Sam's (and probably Costco or any Stop-And-Rob bodego).
In news:[email protected],
Edward Hennessey <[email protected]> spewed forth:
> In general, Amazon offers some good deals.
>
> But there is a "however" documented by recent
> observations that deserves elaboration:
>
> 1. The price Amazon offered on one tool was more than 40% higher
> than that obtainable at a local big box during the height of the Xmas
> season.
> Sure, you have to shop around but the discrepancy was whopping
> if you preconceive Amazon as reliably competitive.
>
> 2. Amazon sent me an email offering deals on certain tools it modeled
> would be of interest. One tool was already in my shopping cart.
> Separately checking the cart showed the tool pegged at
> a figure $10 lower than their email offer.
>
> 3. Deciding to read all of the reviews on an item, I opened a new
> page just for that purpose. After moving through a succession of
> new windows--and seventy some reviews or so--I noticed the
> price on the last review page for the merchandise was now measurably
> higher than that featured on the original item-description page still
> open.
> Reloading the original item-description page did not make that price
> leap to the higher figure on the last review page.
>
> Regards,
>
> Edward Hennessey
not to mention that if you buy something and the price drops within a few
days they won't honor a credit like so many others do.
Post-Order Price Match Policy
With the exception of TVs, we do not offer post-order price matching when an
item's price drops after you buy it. Our prices regularly change, and the
price you paid when your order shipped was the lowest price we were able to
offer at the time. We consistently offer competitive prices on everything we
carry because we know low prices are very important to our customers.
On 2011-01-07, Spehro Pefhany <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 13:34:13 -0600, Ignoramus29524
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I also recently received an email from them warning me that they will
>>be terminating all Illinois Amazon affiliates.
>>
>>i
>
> Why? Some kind of pissing match about income reporting?
>
Illinois wants Amazon to pay sales tax for items sold to IL
residents.
So they are passing a law that says that any web retailer that has
affiliates in IL, has "physical presence" or something like that, and
is obligated to pay. So, amazon said, it will just terminate all
Illinois affiliates.
Since I do not make any money from anazon affiliate program, I do not
personally care too much.
i
"Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:25:12 -0800, "DGDevin"
> <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Edward Hennessey" wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> In general, Amazon offers some good deals.
>>
>>> But there is a "however" documented by recent
>>> observations that deserves elaboration:
>>
>>I've bought quite a few tools from Amazon, and often they've had the
>>lowest
>>price as well as free shipping. *But* you need to do your homework,
>>as
>>sometimes you can find better deals elsewhere at a given moment. I
>>also
>>dislike their use of "list" prices which are so ridiculously high
>>that their
>>claimed discount is meaningless. Their prices really do go up and
>>down too,
>>leave a few items in your shopping cart for awhile and note how the
>>prices
>>change over the weeks and months.
>
> I suspect they are doing that deliberately to grab your attention
> and
> maybe get you to order the stuff.
>
Thanks to DGD for the comment. If you go to camelcamelcamel.com, you
can
plug in an Amazon URL and chart price movement among 3 classes of
resellers,
Amazon included. Price alerts can also be dispatched to you if you
register on
the site, AFAIK. Any report on the site would be worthwhile.
The correlations in price development among retailer groups
are interesting. As to price upswings, on the big A , part of
that may involve a calculation by Amazon that if they jump a
price notches higher a formulaic number of times,
a person who has placed it in their cart--along with other waiting
"wannabuys"--may be triggered to buy at some point on the apprehension
that the bill for a desired product is spiraling beyond reach.
Acsquisition and operating costs and
competition are other obvious drivers in this flux but what some may
say is shifty manipulation or gaming by Amazon is not apart from the
picture.
Hey, Sphero, for some reason your name is tolling the bell of
association with
one John Woodgate, either correctly or no. If rightly, do you know
what
became of him?
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
CW wrote:
> "Matt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 1/9/2011 1:45 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>> "Snag" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>> [email protected] says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "CW" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Until I quit, I was rolling my own.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good for you on quitting, if you've ever seen a smoker die of
>>>>>> lung cancer you'll know good an idea it was to kick the habit.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you've ever seen two non-smokers die of colon and pancreatic
>>>>> cancer you'll know that it doesn't make a rat's ass whether you
>>>>> smoke or not-- something's going to kill you and if you're lucky
>>>>> it will be motorcycle crash.
>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>
>>>> Works for me , and nearly did twice . Since I'm not ready to leave
>>>> yet , I ride more carefully now . But hey , might as well check
>>>> out doing something ya love !
>>>> BTW , I'll be tobacco-free 6 years in March . I
>>>
>>> Congrats! 5 years for me May 1st.
>> Lucky 13 years for me January 27th - and my hearty congrats to all
>> who can do it.
>
> 'Quiting is easyer than it ever has been. My wife took Chantix and
> had no more desire to smoke by day two. In my case, I am on a
> medication for something else but one of its side effects is that I
> get sick as a dog if I smoke. For anybody who wants to quit, do
> yourself a favor and see a doctor. The off the shelf quit smoking
> stuff has a very high failure rate.
A lot depends on whether you really *want* to quit ... I used the nicotine
patches , a shorter time than recommended , and was off the cigs in under 3
weeks with NO crabby bitchin' an' moanin' and making everybody around me
miserable .
My D-I-L has tried several times/things , and is still puffin' away . When
she really *wants* to quit , she will . JMHE
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !
"CW" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Until I quit, I was rolling my own.
Good for you on quitting, if you've ever seen a smoker die of lung cancer
you'll know good an idea it was to kick the habit.
In news:[email protected],
sam <[email protected]> spewed forth:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>>
>> "CW" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> In addition to the internet business, the Democrat-controlled state
>>> legislature intends:
>>>
>>> * To raise the state income tax by 75%
>>
>> That sounds totally democtrat.
>>
>>> for the next four years,
>>
>> Right. Get used to paying that tax. It will be permanent.
>>
>>
>>> * Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
>>
>>
>> They're going to continue to do crap like this until a tipping point
>> is reached. Once it is reached (they aren't far from it now), a new
>> criminal enterprise will appear: Tobacco smuggling. Not only are
>> they no longer going to be able to collect tax on it, it is going to
>> be quite expensive as law enforcement have then got something else
>> to deal with. I don't smoke myself but when it gets to that point, I
>> will buy one case of cigarettes a month (maybe more depending on
>> price) to support the black market.
>>
>> Reply:
>> Is already happening in NYC. Their extra tax made the price of a
>> pack $13-15. There are still as many cigarettes being sold, but the
>> tax receipts are down.
>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124804682785163691.html
>
> Quit smoking. It's bad for you.
>
> s
if everybody quits, do you think the gvnmt will cut the billions they
recieve in taxes from their budgets or just find someone or something else
to tax?
be careful what you wish for<g>
"Ignoramus12953" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Let me just say that I have read much more about lung cancer than I
> really would have liked. I did this recently out of a certain need
> that, obviously, not of a joyous nature.
No, it's never good news, I hope it has turned out as well as possible.
> There are different lung cancers. The most typical is non-small cell
> lung cancer, and 87% of its cases are caused by smoking.
Yup, but there are folks who want to pretend it doesn't apply to them, or
something. However I take the view that people have the right to poison
themselves as they please, just so long as they aren't doing it to those
around them.
"Steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2011-01-07 18:16:50 -0500, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> said:
>
>> * To raise the state income tax by 75% for the next four years, and
>> * Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
>
> That "75% increase" sounds worse than saying the state income tax will
> rise from something like 3.2% to 5.5%. Doesn't it now?
It is what it is. Typical liberal trying to play down a tax increase.
Doesn't matter, typical American doesn't know what percent means anyway.
> A pack of cigarettes costs, what, $10.80 in New York? Most of that is
> taxes, too.
Sounds like a little kid when he gets cought doing something wrong. "But
he's doing it to". I'll tell you the same as any other little kid. Just
because he's is doing something wrong doesn't make it OK for you to do it.
>
> If you haven't already, this would be a good time to stop smoking.
Very true but if you value your freedom, you will buy them any way...from
the black market.
Steve wrote:
> On 2011-01-07 18:16:50 -0500, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> said:
>
>> * To raise the state income tax by 75% for the next four years, and
>> * Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
>
> That "75% increase" sounds worse than saying the state income tax will
> rise from something like 3.2% to 5.5%. Doesn't it now? ...particularly
> when you're trying to tar a specific political party.
>
Either way sounds bad. Remember, I'm in a state that doesn't HAVE an income
tax. Then, too, we don't have a lot of state services - such as
psychological diagnosis and treatment for your dog. We're also a Right to
Work (Scab) state.
Also, percentages, by themselves, are misleading. Put another way, if your
state income tax in Illinois was $1,000 last year, it'll be $1,750.00 next
year.
That said, Illinois has a lot going from it; mostly rich people.
Tell you who I feel sorry for: Boeing. A couple of years ago they moved
their corporate headquarters from Seattle to protest the high taxes in
Washington state. They moved to Chicago.
The Dominican Republic is looking mighty good...
On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 13:34:13 -0600, Ignoramus29524
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I also recently received an email from them warning me that they will
>be terminating all Illinois Amazon affiliates.
>
>i
Why? Some kind of pissing match about income reporting?
"Califbill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "CW" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> In addition to the internet business, the Democrat-controlled state
>> legislature intends:
>>
>> * To raise the state income tax by 75%
>
> That sounds totally democtrat.
>
>>for the next four years,
>
> Right. Get used to paying that tax. It will be permanent.
>
>
>> * Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
>
>
> They're going to continue to do crap like this until a tipping point is
> reached. Once it is reached (they aren't far from it now), a new criminal
> enterprise will appear: Tobacco smuggling. Not only are they no longer
> going
> to be able to collect tax on it, it is going to be quite expensive as law
> enforcement have then got something else to deal with. I don't smoke
> myself
> but when it gets to that point, I will buy one case of cigarettes a month
> (maybe more depending on price) to support the black market.
>
> Reply:
> Is already happening in NYC. Their extra tax made the price of a pack
> $13-15. There are still as many cigarettes being sold, but the tax
> receipts are down.
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124804682785163691.html
>
>
These twits always claimed that the goal of taxing cigarettes so high was to
encourage people to quit. Anybody with half a brain knew better. I think
cigarettes is just the tip of the iceberg. Shit's about to hit the fan and
the politicians are getting scared. Go smugglers!
Then there are those that have a hidden aganda and revealing ridicules their
arguments.
"DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Yup, but there are folks who want to pretend it doesn't apply to them, or
something. However I take the view that people have the right to poison
themselves as they please, just so long as they aren't doing it to those
around them.
On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 11:34:04 -0800, "DGDevin" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>
>"CW" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>
>> Until I quit, I was rolling my own.
>
>Good for you on quitting, if you've ever seen a smoker die of lung cancer
>you'll know good an idea it was to kick the habit.
On the other hand...if you have ever seen a non smoker die of lung
cancer....(and they do..they do indeed)
Gunner
--
"You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once."
Robert A. Heinlein
On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 17:16:50 -0600, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Edward Hennessey wrote:
>> "Ignoramus29524" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message news:[email protected]...
>>> I also recently received an email from them warning me that they will
>>> be terminating all Illinois Amazon affiliates.
>>>
>>> i
>>
>> I:
>>
>> I affiliates in other states are not being terminated, you have to
>> wonder what new
>> Illinois' law they disagree with and, if it isn't obvious, why.
>>
>
>Illinois just announced they were moving to collect sales tax on internet
>purchases.
>
>In 1992, the Supreme Court ruled a state cannot do so unless the company
>they are attacking has some sort of physical presence in the state (Quill v.
>North Dakota). Amazon is terminating affiliates in order to disconnect from
>any possible physical presence.
>
>If Amazon allowed its affiliates to remain part of the Amazon family, Amazon
>would be obliged to collect the Illinois sales tax and forward it to the
>state.
>
>In addition to the internet business, the Democrat-controlled state
>legislature intends:
>
>* To raise the state income tax by 75% for the next four years, and
>* Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
The tax bill has pass the Illinois house, has yet to pass in our
Senate. If it does, the governer will sign it as it was his baby.
Mark
On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:40:45 -0800, "CW" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Ignoramus29524" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 2011-01-07, Spehro Pefhany <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 13:34:13 -0600, Ignoramus29524
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I also recently received an email from them warning me that they will
>>>>be terminating all Illinois Amazon affiliates.
>>>>
>>>>i
>>>
>>> Why? Some kind of pissing match about income reporting?
>>>
>>
>> Illinois wants Amazon to pay sales tax for items sold to IL
>> residents.
>>
>> So they are passing a law that says that any web retailer that has
>> affiliates in IL, has "physical presence" or something like that, and
>> is obligated to pay. So, amazon said, it will just terminate all
>> Illinois affiliates.
>>
>> Since I do not make any money from anazon affiliate program, I do not
>> personally care too much.
>>
>> i
>
>They already pay sales tax in Washington state.
>
And New York, unfortunately. Newegg is resisting, so far.
On 2011-01-09, DGDevin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> "CW" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>> I've seen a few people die of lung cancer. None of them smoked.
>
> That some people who don't drink die of liver disease isn't a recommendation
> to put away a bottle of Old Overcoat every day.
>
Let me just say that I have read much more about lung cancer than I
really would have liked. I did this recently out of a certain need
that, obviously, not of a joyous nature.
There are different lung cancers. The most typical is non-small cell
lung cancer, and 87% of its cases are caused by smoking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lung_cancer#Causes
i
On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 13:50:25 -0800, "Edward Hennessey"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>"Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:25:12 -0800, "DGDevin"
>> <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Edward Hennessey" wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>> In general, Amazon offers some good deals.
>>>
>>>> But there is a "however" documented by recent
>>>> observations that deserves elaboration:
>>>
>>>I've bought quite a few tools from Amazon, and often they've had the
>>>lowest
>>>price as well as free shipping. *But* you need to do your homework,
>>>as
>>>sometimes you can find better deals elsewhere at a given moment. I
>>>also
>>>dislike their use of "list" prices which are so ridiculously high
>>>that their
>>>claimed discount is meaningless. Their prices really do go up and
>>>down too,
>>>leave a few items in your shopping cart for awhile and note how the
>>>prices
>>>change over the weeks and months.
>>
>> I suspect they are doing that deliberately to grab your attention
>> and
>> maybe get you to order the stuff.
>>
>
>Thanks to DGD for the comment. If you go to camelcamelcamel.com, you
>can
>plug in an Amazon URL and chart price movement among 3 classes of
>resellers,
>Amazon included. Price alerts can also be dispatched to you if you
>register on
>the site, AFAIK. Any report on the site would be worthwhile.
>
>The correlations in price development among retailer groups
>are interesting. As to price upswings, on the big A , part of
>that may involve a calculation by Amazon that if they jump a
>price notches higher a formulaic number of times,
>a person who has placed it in their cart--along with other waiting
>"wannabuys"--may be triggered to buy at some point on the apprehension
>that the bill for a desired product is spiraling beyond reach.
>
>Acsquisition and operating costs and
>competition are other obvious drivers in this flux but what some may
>say is shifty manipulation or gaming by Amazon is not apart from the
>picture.
>
>Hey, Sphero, for some reason your name is tolling the bell of
>association with
More Spehro than Sphero.. now that I've lost ~50lb... ;-)
>one John Woodgate, either correctly or no. If rightly, do you know
>what
>became of him?
True enough. John Woodgate (a Brit)... well, I suspect he got fed up
with all the US political BS on s.e.d. (not to mention rudeness and
low signal to noise ratio) and left some years ago. He's quite active
on one electronic simulation group that I subscribe to (posted within
the last 30 minutes- about 9:35 pm London time).
Here's John's website if you should wish to contact him- he is very
knowledgeable on matters of pro audio standards and such, and I think
Spanish translation.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/
Edward Hennessey wrote:
> In general, Amazon offers some good deals.
>
> But there is a "however" documented by recent
> observations that deserves elaboration:
...[Note on Amazon web pricing elided for brevity]...
Amazon has turned into mostly nothing but a front for a zillion
different e-tailers instead of actually being something themselves.
Owing to that, I've pretty much given them the brush-off in preference
to a direct online distributor link that I can tell who it is upfront.
--
Edward Hennessey wrote:
> In general, Amazon offers some good deals.
>
> But there is a "however" documented by recent
> observations that deserves elaboration:
>
> 1. The price Amazon offered on one tool was more than 40% higher
> than that obtainable at a local big box during the height of the Xmas
> season.
> Sure, you have to shop around but the discrepancy was whopping
> if you preconceive Amazon as reliably competitive.
>
> 2. Amazon sent me an email offering deals on certain tools it modeled
> would be of interest. One tool was already in my shopping cart.
> Separately checking the cart showed the tool pegged at
> a figure $10 lower than their email offer.
>
> 3. Deciding to read all of the reviews on an item, I opened a new
> page just for that purpose. After moving through a succession of
> new windows--and seventy some reviews or so--I noticed the
> price on the last review page for the merchandise was now measurably
> higher than that featured on the original item-description page still
> open.
> Reloading the original item-description page did not make that price
> leap to the higher figure on the last review page.
You mean you have to pay attention when you buy something online?
Jon
Edward Hennessey wrote:
> In general, Amazon offers some good deals.
>
> But there is a "however" documented by recent
> observations that deserves elaboration:
>
> 1. The price Amazon offered on one tool was more than 40% higher
> than that obtainable at a local big box during the height of the Xmas
> season.
> Sure, you have to shop around but the discrepancy was whopping
> if you preconceive Amazon as reliably competitive.
>
> 2. Amazon sent me an email offering deals on certain tools it modeled
> would be of interest. One tool was already in my shopping cart.
> Separately checking the cart showed the tool pegged at
> a figure $10 lower than their email offer.
>
> 3. Deciding to read all of the reviews on an item, I opened a new
> page just for that purpose. After moving through a succession of
> new windows--and seventy some reviews or so--I noticed the
> price on the last review page for the merchandise was now measurably
> higher than that featured on the original item-description page still
> open.
> Reloading the original item-description page did not make that price
> leap to the higher figure on the last review page.
And that ain't all. Amazon is associated with 'TRS Recovery
Services' which is an organized crime extortion ring.
Beware!
--Winston
"Ignoramus29524" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2011-01-07, Spehro Pefhany <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 13:34:13 -0600, Ignoramus29524
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>I also recently received an email from them warning me that they will
>>>be terminating all Illinois Amazon affiliates.
>>>
>>>i
>>
>> Why? Some kind of pissing match about income reporting?
>>
>
> Illinois wants Amazon to pay sales tax for items sold to IL
> residents.
>
> So they are passing a law that says that any web retailer that has
> affiliates in IL, has "physical presence" or something like that, and
> is obligated to pay. So, amazon said, it will just terminate all
> Illinois affiliates.
>
> Since I do not make any money from anazon affiliate program, I do not
> personally care too much.
>
> i
This has always been the law for Illinois sales tax. A company with some
physical presence in the state is responsible for collecting the tax on
Illinois retail sales. Amazon dodged around it by using "affiliates". Amazon
didn't collect, but technically, any Illinois affiliate shipping to an
address inside the state was required to collect it.
There is also a "use tax" in Illinois. It has been in effect since '55. In
effect if you buy items from out of state for use in Illinois, the purchaser
is supposed remit the tax. (you get credit for sales taxes paid to other
states). Reporting this has been on the honor system, and as a result nobody
ever does it.
Amazon could have probably stayed ahead of the curve by only connecting
interstate buyers and sellers.
But it would not have lasted forever.
The bottom line is that you owe tax on all purchased items used in Illinois.
They have not chased after mail order and internet sales because the
paperwork would be a nightmare.
The computer revolution is changing that.
Paul K. Dickman
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Ignoramus29524" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 2011-01-07, Spehro Pefhany <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 13:34:13 -0600, Ignoramus29524
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I also recently received an email from them warning me that they will
>>>>be terminating all Illinois Amazon affiliates.
>>>>
>>>>i
>>>
>>> Why? Some kind of pissing match about income reporting?
>>>
>>
>> Illinois wants Amazon to pay sales tax for items sold to IL
>> residents.
>>
>> So they are passing a law that says that any web retailer that has
>> affiliates in IL, has "physical presence" or something like that, and
>> is obligated to pay. So, amazon said, it will just terminate all
>> Illinois affiliates.
>>
>> Since I do not make any money from anazon affiliate program, I do not
>> personally care too much.
>>
>> i
>
> They already pay sales tax in Washington state.
>
They have to, their HQ is there.
--
"He's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy! "
Brian's Mum
sam wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>>
>> "CW" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> "HeyBub"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> In addition to the internet business, the Democrat-controlled state
>>> legislature intends:
>>>
>>> * To raise the state income tax by 75%
>>
>> That sounds totally democtrat.
>>
>>> for the next four years,
>>
>> Right. Get used to paying that tax. It will be permanent.
>>
>>
>>> * Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
>>
>>
>> They're going to continue to do crap like this until a tipping point is
>> reached. Once it is reached (they aren't far from it now), a new criminal
>> enterprise will appear: Tobacco smuggling. Not only are they no longer going
>> to be able to collect tax on it, it is going to be quite expensive as law
>> enforcement have then got something else to deal with. I don't smoke myself
>> but when it gets to that point, I will buy one case of cigarettes a month
>> (maybe more depending on price) to support the black market.
>>
>> Reply:
>> Is already happening in NYC. Their extra tax made the price of a pack
>> $13-15. There are still as many cigarettes being sold, but the tax receipts
>> are down.
>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124804682785163691.html
>
> Quit smoking. It's bad for you.
>
> s
That's not the point of course. After that, they will go after alcohol,
lottery tickets, video games...
Bill
"Markem" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 17:27:39 -0800, "CW" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> In addition to the internet business, the Democrat-controlled state
>>> legislature intends:
>>>
>>> * To raise the state income tax by 75%
>>
>>That sounds totally democtrat.
>>
>>>for the next four years,
>>
>>Right. Get used to paying that tax. It will be permanent.
>>
>>
>>> * Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
>>
>>
>>They're going to continue to do crap like this until a tipping point is
>>reached. Once it is reached (they aren't far from it now), a new criminal
>>enterprise will appear: Tobacco smuggling. Not only are they no longer
>>going
>>to be able to collect tax on it, it is going to be quite expensive as law
>>enforcement have then got something else to deal with. I don't smoke
>>myself
>>but when it gets to that point, I will buy one case of cigarettes a month
>>(maybe more depending on price) to support the black market.
>>
>
> Black market already exist in Illinois, "Da Outfit" in Chicago has
> been making money that way for the past 20 years.
>
> Mark
It ain't just the mob.
http://www.wtvm.com/Global/story.asp?S=13247859
Paul K. Dickman
The legislators and other liberals are power mad, gone wild.
Smugglers are capitalists of the purest nature. In this
case, I side with the smugglers. Though I don't smoke, and
am allergic to tobacco.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Reply:
> Is already happening in NYC. Their extra tax made the
> price of a pack
> $13-15. There are still as many cigarettes being sold,
> but the tax
> receipts are down.
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124804682785163691.html
>
>
These twits always claimed that the goal of taxing
cigarettes so high was to
encourage people to quit. Anybody with half a brain knew
better. I think
cigarettes is just the tip of the iceberg. Shit's about to
hit the fan and
the politicians are getting scared. Go smugglers!
When the govt loses revenue to smugglers. They talk about
"making up for the shortfall". However, when the common
citizen has his taxes raised, his take home pay is reduced.
Why don't politicians talk about "making up for the
shortfall" in personal take home pay?
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"ChairMan" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> Is already happening in NYC. Their extra tax made the
>> price of a
>> pack $13-15. There are still as many cigarettes being
>> sold, but the
>> tax receipts are down.
>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124804682785163691.html
>
> Quit smoking. It's bad for you.
>
> s
if everybody quits, do you think the gvnmt will cut the
billions they
recieve in taxes from their budgets or just find someone or
something else
to tax?
be careful what you wish for<g>
"Snag" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> [email protected] says...
>>>
>>> "CW" wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Until I quit, I was rolling my own.
>>>
>>> Good for you on quitting, if you've ever seen a smoker die of lung
>>> cancer you'll know good an idea it was to kick the habit.
>>
>> If you've ever seen two non-smokers die of colon and pancreatic cancer
>> you'll know that it doesn't make a rat's ass whether you smoke or
>> not-- something's going to kill you and if you're lucky it will be
>> motorcycle crash.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Works for me , and nearly did twice . Since I'm not ready to leave yet ,
> I ride more carefully now . But hey , might as well check out doing
> something ya love !
> BTW , I'll be tobacco-free 6 years in March . I
Congrats! 5 years for me May 1st.
"Steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2011-01-07 18:16:50 -0500, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> said:
>
>> * To raise the state income tax by 75% for the next four years, and
>> * Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
>
> That "75% increase" sounds worse than saying the state income tax will
> rise from something like 3.2% to 5.5%. Doesn't it now? ...particularly
> when you're trying to tar a specific political party.
>
> A pack of cigarettes costs, what, $10.80 in New York? Most of that is
> taxes, too.
>
> If you haven't already, this would be a good time to stop smoking.
The 75% increase is from 3% to 5.25%.
Only 10 states have a lower tax rate on the median income than Illinois and
eight of them don't have any income tax.
We should have gone to 3.25% ten years ago. We wouldn't be in the mess we
are now.
Paul K. Dickman
J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <is%[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
>>
>> Based on history that would be true.
>>
>> You are attempting to predict the future so "YOU may never know"
>
> It is true that I may never know with certainty that you have died.
> However that you _will_ die is the only thing more certain than that you
> will be required to pay taxes.
>
Howcome, even though all those religions tout "eternal life," everybody dies
anyway?
Thanks,
Rich
Tom Del Rosso wrote:
> DGDevin wrote:
>> "CW" wrote in message
>>
>> > Until I quit, I was rolling my own.
>>
>> Good for you on quitting, if you've ever seen a smoker die of lung
>> cancer you'll know good an idea it was to kick the habit.
>
> I've also seen a 35 year old man in good shape have a heart attack thanks
> to smoking for the previous 20 years.
>
I once had a next-door neighbor (Well, actually, down the hall in the apt.
building) who was 35 and looked like an iron-pumper (very fit and buff) who
never smoked a day in his life. He also dropped dead of a heart attack.
Who's to blame for that?
I'm 61 3/4 (62 next March) and have been a smoker since I was about 19;
at my last checkup, I was found to be essentially as healthy as a horse.
Admittedly, I get a little winded when I pump my bike uphill for a mile
or two, but I stop, have a smoke, and don't feel winded any more.
But the Church of Antismokerism is really stepping up their attacks -
I think it's because they're afraid of being supplanted by the Church of
Warmingism as the National Religion.
Thanks,
Rich
Based on history that would be true.
You are attempting to predict the future so "YOU may never know"
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Never know what? That you're going to die? You are, trust me on this.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
YOU may never know.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
You're still going to die.
"Edward Hennessey" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In general, Amazon offers some good deals.
> But there is a "however" documented by recent
> observations that deserves elaboration:
I've bought quite a few tools from Amazon, and often they've had the lowest
price as well as free shipping. *But* you need to do your homework, as
sometimes you can find better deals elsewhere at a given moment. I also
dislike their use of "list" prices which are so ridiculously high that their
claimed discount is meaningless. Their prices really do go up and down too,
leave a few items in your shopping cart for awhile and note how the prices
change over the weeks and months.
DGDevin wrote:
> "J. Clarke" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> If you've ever seen two non-smokers die of colon and pancreatic
>> cancer you'll know that it doesn't make a rat's ass whether you
>> smoke or not-- something's going to kill you and if you're lucky it
>> will be motorcycle crash.
>
> That something will kill each of us doesn't mean we have nothing to
> say about improving the odds of certain things killing us. Nor does
> it mean that some deaths aren't more unpleasant than others, i.e.
> lung cancer vs. a heart attack. I also hope you at least are
> considerate enough not to take other people with you when you crash
> that scooter.
Neither does it tell us the motivations behind those do-gooders who want to
nag us, tax us, and ultimately outlaw those things that we freely choose.
As Eric Hoffer said: "People mind their own business when it's worth
minding. When it's not, they take their mind off their own meaningless
affairs by minding other people's business."
On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 17:27:39 -0800, "CW" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> In addition to the internet business, the Democrat-controlled state
>> legislature intends:
>>
>> * To raise the state income tax by 75%
>
>That sounds totally democtrat.
>
>>for the next four years,
>
>Right. Get used to paying that tax. It will be permanent.
>
>
>> * Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
>
>
>They're going to continue to do crap like this until a tipping point is
>reached. Once it is reached (they aren't far from it now), a new criminal
>enterprise will appear: Tobacco smuggling. Not only are they no longer going
>to be able to collect tax on it, it is going to be quite expensive as law
>enforcement have then got something else to deal with. I don't smoke myself
>but when it gets to that point, I will buy one case of cigarettes a month
>(maybe more depending on price) to support the black market.
>
Black market already exist in Illinois, "Da Outfit" in Chicago has
been making money that way for the past 20 years.
Mark
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> That something will kill each of us doesn't mean we have nothing to say
>> about improving the odds of certain things killing us. Nor does it mean
>> that some deaths aren't more unpleasant than others, i.e. lung cancer vs.
>> a
>> heart attack.
> So tell us how to make a heart attack more likely than lung cancer
Quote me saying that was possible. Although now that you mention it, not
smoking is a good way to improve your odds of dying from either one.
>> I also hope you at least are considerate enough not to take
>> other people with you when you crash that scooter.
> You really have to work at taking other people with you when you crash a
> motorcycle.
There seem to be two ways: Japanese donor cycles at high speeds, and Harleys
(being big and heavy enough to take out people in enclosed vehicles).
> The bottom line on this is that you ARE going to die and you have no
> control over the cause. Yes, you can play the odds
These statements are mutually exclusive because if you can change the odds
then you do have some control.
You *can* influence the odds, not with certainty, but you can still shift
them in your favor for specific causes. So being a hard-drinking overweight
smoker won't guarantee death from cardio-vascular disease, but it sure
shifts the odds in that direction, and at an earlier age too. However, as I
said, you have the right to invite whatever end you please provided you
aren't spreading it around.
On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 19:20:44 -0500, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>says...
>>
>> "Steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > On 2011-01-07 18:16:50 -0500, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> said:
>> >
>> >> * To raise the state income tax by 75% for the next four years, and
>> >> * Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
>> >
>> > That "75% increase" sounds worse than saying the state income tax will
>> > rise from something like 3.2% to 5.5%. Doesn't it now? ...particularly
>> > when you're trying to tar a specific political party.
>> >
>> > A pack of cigarettes costs, what, $10.80 in New York? Most of that is
>> > taxes, too.
>> >
>> > If you haven't already, this would be a good time to stop smoking.
>>
>> The 75% increase is from 3% to 5.25%.
>>
>> Only 10 states have a lower tax rate on the median income than Illinois and
>> eight of them don't have any income tax.
>>
>> We should have gone to 3.25% ten years ago. We wouldn't be in the mess we
>> are now.
>
>You should have fired a bunch of bureaucrats ten years ago. As long as
>there is unstolen money in the hands fo the people, the size of
>government will increase. Its growth will cease only when it collapses
>under its own weight.
The bureaucrats are the least of our problem, a legislautre dominated
by one ego manical politician is at the top of the list. They will
pass anything and not pay for it. Our past impeached governer spent
and invested with friends.
Ah yes the home of Honest Abe.
Mark
"CW" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've seen a few people die of lung cancer. None of them smoked.
That some people who don't drink die of liver disease isn't a recommendation
to put away a bottle of Old Overcoat every day.
"DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "CW" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>> Until I quit, I was rolling my own.
>
> Good for you on quitting, if you've ever seen a smoker die of lung cancer
> you'll know good an idea it was to kick the habit.
I've seen a few people die of lung cancer. None of them smoked.
YOU may never know.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
You're still going to die.
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> sam wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>,
>> [email protected] says...
>>>
>>> "CW" wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>> "HeyBub"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> In addition to the internet business, the Democrat-controlled state
>>>> legislature intends:
>>>>
>>>> * To raise the state income tax by 75%
>>>
>>> That sounds totally democtrat.
>>>
>>>> for the next four years,
>>>
>>> Right. Get used to paying that tax. It will be permanent.
>>>
>>>
>>>> * Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
>>>
>>>
>>> They're going to continue to do crap like this until a tipping point is
>>> reached. Once it is reached (they aren't far from it now), a new
>>> criminal
>>> enterprise will appear: Tobacco smuggling. Not only are they no longer
>>> going
>>> to be able to collect tax on it, it is going to be quite expensive as
>>> law
>>> enforcement have then got something else to deal with. I don't smoke
>>> myself
>>> but when it gets to that point, I will buy one case of cigarettes a
>>> month
>>> (maybe more depending on price) to support the black market.
>>>
>>> Reply:
>>> Is already happening in NYC. Their extra tax made the price of a pack
>>> $13-15. There are still as many cigarettes being sold, but the tax
>>> receipts
>>> are down.
>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124804682785163691.html
>>
>> Quit smoking. It's bad for you.
>>
>> s
>
> That's not the point of course. After that, they will go after alcohol,
> lottery tickets, video games...
>
How long after that will it be before the people declare open season on
politicians?
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> In addition to the internet business, the Democrat-controlled state
> legislature intends:
>
> * To raise the state income tax by 75%
That sounds totally democtrat.
>for the next four years,
Right. Get used to paying that tax. It will be permanent.
> * Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
They're going to continue to do crap like this until a tipping point is
reached. Once it is reached (they aren't far from it now), a new criminal
enterprise will appear: Tobacco smuggling. Not only are they no longer going
to be able to collect tax on it, it is going to be quite expensive as law
enforcement have then got something else to deal with. I don't smoke myself
but when it gets to that point, I will buy one case of cigarettes a month
(maybe more depending on price) to support the black market.
"Paul K. Dickman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Markem" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 17:27:39 -0800, "CW" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> In addition to the internet business, the Democrat-controlled state
>>>> legislature intends:
>>>>
>>>> * To raise the state income tax by 75%
>>>
>>>That sounds totally democtrat.
>>>
>>>>for the next four years,
>>>
>>>Right. Get used to paying that tax. It will be permanent.
>>>
>>>
>>>> * Add $1.00 / pack tax on cigarettes.
>>>
>>>
>>>They're going to continue to do crap like this until a tipping point is
>>>reached. Once it is reached (they aren't far from it now), a new criminal
>>>enterprise will appear: Tobacco smuggling. Not only are they no longer
>>>going
>>>to be able to collect tax on it, it is going to be quite expensive as law
>>>enforcement have then got something else to deal with. I don't smoke
>>>myself
>>>but when it gets to that point, I will buy one case of cigarettes a month
>>>(maybe more depending on price) to support the black market.
>>>
>>
>> Black market already exist in Illinois, "Da Outfit" in Chicago has
>> been making money that way for the past 20 years.
>>
>> Mark
>
> It ain't just the mob.
> http://www.wtvm.com/Global/story.asp?S=13247859
>
> Paul K. Dickman
>
>
Cool. Go black market go!