JH

"Jim Hall"

16/12/2006 7:49 AM

If it takes along time to sand out planer tears. Is a scraper a better way to start..?

I have some rotary cut bubinga I want to make a entry table out of . The
wood and grain is really beautiful. Never worked with it before so thought
I'd make a cutting board out of some of it to check it out. The planer left
tears in it. So after sanding for an hour or so was able to get them all
out. A couple deeper ones I had to sand out without using a sanding block.
In the end it came out ok and I don't mind the sanding. It just took a lot
of time. I was wondering if maybe I should buy some scrapers for Christmas
that may speed up the process when I get to actually finishing table top
itself. Sorry for such a simple question. I've built alot of outdoor
projects but just getting into fine woodworking.. Last and only woodshop
class was 40 years ago.. I was thinking about getting a scraper set with
burnisher and file that Lee Valley sells.. Any advice would be greatly
appreciated thanks.. Jim

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&cat=1,310,41069&p=32670





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in reply to "Jim Hall" on 16/12/2006 7:49 AM

16/12/2006 7:59 AM


Jim Hall wrote:
> I have some rotary cut bubinga I want to make a entry table out of . The
> wood and grain is really beautiful. Never worked with it before so thought
> I'd make a cutting board out of some of it to check it out. The planer left
> tears in it. So after sanding for an hour or so was able to get them all
> out. A couple deeper ones I had to sand out without using a sanding block.
> In the end it came out ok and I don't mind the sanding. It just took a lot
> of time. I was wondering if maybe I should buy some scrapers for Christmas
> that may speed up the process when I get to actually finishing table top
> itself. Sorry for such a simple question. I've built alot of outdoor
> projects but just getting into fine woodworking.. Last and only woodshop
> class was 40 years ago.. I was thinking about getting a scraper set with
> burnisher and file that Lee Valley sells.. Any advice would be greatly
> appreciated thanks.. Jim
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&cat=1,310,41069&p=32670

Absolutely. You might consider picking up a good used #3 or #4
bench plane from an antique shop as well. Then if you have bad
tear our you would hand-plane, then scrape, then (maybe) sand.
Much faster and lots of fun.

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"bent"

in reply to "Jim Hall" on 16/12/2006 7:49 AM

16/12/2006 1:54 PM

if u gt a scraper the tool that you drag across it to tune it is very
important. It has to be a steel that can be hardened highly; std. things
aren't capable w/ any process. I've tried edges of knife sharpeners and
chisels, etc. and I have a scraper in a drawer. I've thought about going
to a motor shop for a wrist pin sometime. It seems like something that
takes getiing used too. I was aggravated.

Can anyone comment on this. If this does a good job automatically it may be
worth the money compared to the knife sharpener style "burnisher" LV sell as
well:

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=32633&cat=1,310,41070



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JH

"Jim Hall"

in reply to "Jim Hall" on 16/12/2006 7:49 AM

16/12/2006 10:18 AM

I called the wood supplier. You're right rotary cut is veneer. I
misunderstood what he was telling me.

Don't have the tear out problem on planer with walnut, mahogany, butternut;
fish-tail oak or red oak; but do have when planing bubinga, bird's eye
maple, and curly maple. Made a lot of cutting boards with a variety of
woods. So was thinking it was more the irregular grain than planer blade.
But too inexperienced to really know. I looked up bubinga in the book
"World woods in color" and it does mention interlocked and irregular grained
bubinga tends to tear or pick up. Even sanding the bubinga with 100 grit
would tear the grain in small areas where the grain would fade and be kinda
blotchy and seemed to be almost coming up at you (like end grain) rather
than running along the board. I sanded sort of cross-grain to avoid further
tearing in those spots and then came back with 150 grit with the grain and
that seemed to work ok..

"Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Jim Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >I have some rotary cut bubinga I want to make a entry table out of . The
> > wood and grain is really beautiful. Never worked with it before so
> > thought
> > I'd make a cutting board out of some of it to check it out. The planer
> > left
> > tears in it. So after sanding for an hour or so was able to get them
all
> > out. A couple deeper ones I had to sand out without using a sanding
> > block.
> > In the end it came out ok and I don't mind the sanding. It just took a
> > lot
> > of time. I was wondering if maybe I should buy some scrapers for
> > Christmas
> > that may speed up the process when I get to actually finishing table top
> > itself. Sorry for such a simple question. I've built alot of outdoor
> > projects but just getting into fine woodworking.. Last and only
woodshop
> > class was 40 years ago.. I was thinking about getting a scraper set
with
> > burnisher and file that Lee Valley sells.. Any advice would be greatly
> > appreciated thanks.. Jim
> >
>
> What is rotary cut? That normally refers to veneer, but that obviously
> isn't what you have.
>
> I recently used some pommele bubinga. It planed with no tearout, so I am
> surprised any bubinga tears. I expect your blades are dull, or you are
> taking too much off.
>
>

TT

"Toller"

in reply to "Jim Hall" on 16/12/2006 7:49 AM

16/12/2006 5:06 PM


"Jim Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I have some rotary cut bubinga I want to make a entry table out of . The
> wood and grain is really beautiful. Never worked with it before so
> thought
> I'd make a cutting board out of some of it to check it out. The planer
> left
> tears in it. So after sanding for an hour or so was able to get them all
> out. A couple deeper ones I had to sand out without using a sanding
> block.
> In the end it came out ok and I don't mind the sanding. It just took a
> lot
> of time. I was wondering if maybe I should buy some scrapers for
> Christmas
> that may speed up the process when I get to actually finishing table top
> itself. Sorry for such a simple question. I've built alot of outdoor
> projects but just getting into fine woodworking.. Last and only woodshop
> class was 40 years ago.. I was thinking about getting a scraper set with
> burnisher and file that Lee Valley sells.. Any advice would be greatly
> appreciated thanks.. Jim
>

What is rotary cut? That normally refers to veneer, but that obviously
isn't what you have.

I recently used some pommele bubinga. It planed with no tearout, so I am
surprised any bubinga tears. I expect your blades are dull, or you are
taking too much off.

JH

"Jim Hall"

in reply to "Jim Hall" on 16/12/2006 7:49 AM

16/12/2006 10:23 AM


"Jim Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I called the wood supplier. You're right rotary cut is veneer. I
> misunderstood what he was telling me.
>
> Don't have the tear out problem on planer with walnut, mahogany,
butternut;
> fish-tail oak or red oak; but do have when planing bubinga, bird's eye
> maple, and curly maple. Made a lot of cutting boards with a variety of
> woods. So was thinking it was more the irregular grain than planer blade.
> But too inexperienced to really know. I looked up bubinga in the book
> "World woods in color" and it does mention interlocked and irregular
grained
> bubinga tends to tear or pick up. Even sanding the bubinga with 100 grit
> would tear the grain in small areas where the grain would fade and be
kinda
> blotchy and seemed to be almost coming up at you (like end grain) rather
> than running along the board. I sanded sort of cross-grain to avoid
further
> tearing in those spots and then came back with 150 grit with the grain and
> that seemed to work ok..
>
> "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Jim Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >I have some rotary cut bubinga I want to make a entry table out of .
The
> > > wood and grain is really beautiful. Never worked with it before so
> > > thought
> > > I'd make a cutting board out of some of it to check it out. The
planer
> > > left
> > > tears in it. So after sanding for an hour or so was able to get them
> all
> > > out. A couple deeper ones I had to sand out without using a sanding
> > > block.
> > > In the end it came out ok and I don't mind the sanding. It just took
a
> > > lot
> > > of time. I was wondering if maybe I should buy some scrapers for
> > > Christmas
> > > that may speed up the process when I get to actually finishing table
top
> > > itself. Sorry for such a simple question. I've built alot of outdoor
> > > projects but just getting into fine woodworking.. Last and only
> woodshop
> > > class was 40 years ago.. I was thinking about getting a scraper set
> with
> > > burnisher and file that Lee Valley sells.. Any advice would be
greatly
> > > appreciated thanks.. Jim
> > >
> >
> > What is rotary cut? That normally refers to veneer, but that obviously
> > isn't what you have.
> >
> > I recently used some pommele bubinga. It planed with no tearout, so I
am
> > surprised any bubinga tears. I expect your blades are dull, or you are
> > taking too much off.
> >
> >
>
>

JH

"Jim Hall"

in reply to "Jim Hall" on 16/12/2006 7:49 AM

16/12/2006 10:24 AM

I'll try today with another piece and take off less and see if that works.
Thanks for advice..

"Jim Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I called the wood supplier. You're right rotary cut is veneer. I
> misunderstood what he was telling me.
>
> Don't have the tear out problem on planer with walnut, mahogany,
butternut;
> fish-tail oak or red oak; but do have when planing bubinga, bird's eye
> maple, and curly maple. Made a lot of cutting boards with a variety of
> woods. So was thinking it was more the irregular grain than planer blade.
> But too inexperienced to really know. I looked up bubinga in the book
> "World woods in color" and it does mention interlocked and irregular
grained
> bubinga tends to tear or pick up. Even sanding the bubinga with 100 grit
> would tear the grain in small areas where the grain would fade and be
kinda
> blotchy and seemed to be almost coming up at you (like end grain) rather
> than running along the board. I sanded sort of cross-grain to avoid
further
> tearing in those spots and then came back with 150 grit with the grain and
> that seemed to work ok..
>
> "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Jim Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >I have some rotary cut bubinga I want to make a entry table out of .
The
> > > wood and grain is really beautiful. Never worked with it before so
> > > thought
> > > I'd make a cutting board out of some of it to check it out. The
planer
> > > left
> > > tears in it. So after sanding for an hour or so was able to get them
> all
> > > out. A couple deeper ones I had to sand out without using a sanding
> > > block.
> > > In the end it came out ok and I don't mind the sanding. It just took
a
> > > lot
> > > of time. I was wondering if maybe I should buy some scrapers for
> > > Christmas
> > > that may speed up the process when I get to actually finishing table
top
> > > itself. Sorry for such a simple question. I've built alot of outdoor
> > > projects but just getting into fine woodworking.. Last and only
> woodshop
> > > class was 40 years ago.. I was thinking about getting a scraper set
> with
> > > burnisher and file that Lee Valley sells.. Any advice would be
greatly
> > > appreciated thanks.. Jim
> > >
> >
> > What is rotary cut? That normally refers to veneer, but that obviously
> > isn't what you have.
> >
> > I recently used some pommele bubinga. It planed with no tearout, so I
am
> > surprised any bubinga tears. I expect your blades are dull, or you are
> > taking too much off.
> >
> >
>
>


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