This is not intended to create a flame war.
I am deeply concerned about the blatant misinformation being written by
a small group of wRECkers. There is nothing more dangerous than bad
electrical advice.
Many here have genuine questions which should only be answered by
qualified people.
Many answers are the right ones.
A few are downright wrong and dangerous.
How does the uninitiated know the difference?
That's right... they don't.
That makes it a double-dangerous situation:
A) The person with the question doesn't have a clue otherwise the
question wouldn't be asked in here.
B) That person who then gets an answer doesn't have a clue on the
accuracy of such a reply running the risk of burning down the house with
the cat in it, or blowing off a finger, doing irreparable damage to an
expensive motor, or worse, causing death.
ALL of those things are bad.
In article <[email protected]>,
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 16 May 2005 23:17:05 -0400, the inscrutable Robatoy
>> <[email protected]> spake:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> > [email protected] (Lawrence Wasserman) wrote:
>> >
>> >> So how is it any different from any other usenet group?
>> >
>> >It's different in here. Can't you feel the love?
>>
>> Not ONE of you fidiots heard the "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Plop!"
>> on this one, did you? <sigh>
>>
>Hey now, what are you trying to say, Larry?
>
>
>
>Hello?
>
>
>
>Larry?
Uh, which Larry?
:)
--
Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
[email protected]
But how is bad electrical advice any different from getting bad
(potentially dangerous) advice on how to use a woodworking tool? For
example, using an antikickback or workholding device incorrectly could
cause as many problems as incorrectly wiring something. I'm thinking
about the kinds of things discussed in that thread about millwork being
shot out of a table saw through the shop wall, etc. I think anything
discussed on any forum should be compared with personal experience and
the sound advice of a someone who knows what they are talking about.
Just my opinion, hope people give it some thought.
>They're just not in the same category at all, either in the nature, or
the
>scope, of the consequences.
Someone just told me about a situation in which a student was leaning
back in a chair/stool in a high school chem lab. The chair slipped,
the kid fell, hit her head on the table. Was a quadraplegic until died
at the age of ~40. Now someone could have said that she got bad advice
about whether to lean a chair back on a slippery floor. Did she regret
getting that information or lack of it? No one will ever know. To me,
advice is advice. Mistakes can kill or maim no matter what they are.
Don't believe me: go into google scholar (searching scholarly articles)
and type in "fatal woodworking accidents." Here is a quote from one of
the articles: "A study from Sweden showed that woodworkers had the
highest incidence rates of accident-related permanent disability among
young workers. " Persson I, Larsson TJ. Accident-related permanent
disabilities of young workers in Sweden 1984-85. Safety Sci. 1991;
14:187-198
I don't seek to offend or put down other people's views or opinions,
but I do believe that it is important to hear all points of view.
I now completely see your point. You are correct that very few
woodworking accidents involve others compared to electrical accidents.
However, many electrical accidents on the smaller scale involve only
the amateur electrictian. I do agree that, given the relative scale of
the problems, we should limit this forum to sound woodworking advice.
If in doubt about an electrical problem, contact a licensed
electrician. Doug, thanks for the enlightening discussion.
On Mon, 16 May 2005 23:17:05 -0400, the inscrutable Robatoy
<[email protected]> spake:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Lawrence Wasserman) wrote:
>
>> So how is it any different from any other usenet group?
>
>It's different in here. Can't you feel the love?
Not ONE of you fidiots heard the "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Plop!"
on this one, did you? <sigh>
------------------------------------------
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"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This is not intended to create a flame war.
>
> I am deeply concerned about the blatant misinformation being written by
> a small group of wRECkers. There is nothing more dangerous than bad
> electrical advice.
> Many here have genuine questions which should only be answered by
> qualified people.
> Many answers are the right ones.
> A few are downright wrong and dangerous.
>
> How does the uninitiated know the difference?
Uh, looking it up? Search engines are great things.
Ignorance is an acute condition cured by knowledge. Stupidity is chronic,
because it seeks no knowledge, nor admits its value.
Robatoy wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>>"Mike in Arkansas" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Enough! I find this whole discussion shocking. sorry
>>>
>>>Try to find the capacity to resist reading this.
>>
>>How can you impede people from reading this?
>>
>>Particularly considering the magnetic attraction to such a highly charged
>>issue.
>
>
> I was trying to induce a discussion. Never phased on me that it could
> end up like this.
I pay you ohmage for your wit.
j4
Robatoy wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Mike in Arkansas" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Enough! I find this whole discussion shocking. sorry
>
>
> Try to find the capacity to resist reading this.
I'm currently trying to resist the whole thread, although it does have
potential.
"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:6_2ie.2450
> I pay you ohmage for your wit.
You people need to shunt your conversation to another venue.
In article <[email protected]>, "woodworker88" <[email protected]> wrote:
>But how is bad electrical advice any different from getting bad
>(potentially dangerous) advice on how to use a woodworking tool?
Because bad electrical advice can get people _killed_.
> For
>example, using an antikickback or workholding device incorrectly could
>cause as many problems as incorrectly wiring something.
I disagree entirely.
Woodworking accidents are rarely fatal, and generally are the result of
carelessness, inattention, or poor practice - and the consequences normally do
not go much beyond injuries to the one responsible for said carelessness et
cetera, and a ruined piece of lumber.
Improper wiring, by contrast, results with disturbing frequency in residence
fires which do tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of damage, or
claim the lives of an entire family.
They're just not in the same category at all, either in the nature, or the
scope, of the consequences.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?
"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Robatoy wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:6_2ie.2450
>>>
>>>>I pay you ohmage for your wit.
>>>
>>>You people need to shunt your conversation to another venue.
>>
>>
>> Quite a series of puns. Parallels no other thread here!
>
> So much wit, all fused together.
Until the main breaker box gets tripped.
Then we will all be in the dark!
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:6_2ie.2450
>> > I pay you ohmage for your wit.
>>
>> You people need to shunt your conversation to another venue.
>
> Quite a series of puns. Parallels no other thread here!
But are the puns up to code??
If the punsters conducted themselves according to code, they would have
installed them in series instead of parallel.
Robatoy wrote:
> This is not intended to create a flame war.
>
> I am deeply concerned about the blatant misinformation being written by
> a small group of wRECkers. There is nothing more dangerous than bad
> electrical advice.
> Many here have genuine questions which should only be answered by
> qualified people.
> Many answers are the right ones.
> A few are downright wrong and dangerous.
>
> How does the uninitiated know the difference?
Sometimes even the initiated are puzzled by the answers. :-)
>
> That's right... they don't.
>
> That makes it a double-dangerous situation:
>
> A) The person with the question doesn't have a clue otherwise the
> question wouldn't be asked in here.
> B) That person who then gets an answer doesn't have a clue on the
> accuracy of such a reply running the risk of burning down the house with
> the cat in it, or blowing off a finger, doing irreparable damage to an
> expensive motor, or worse, causing death.
>
> ALL of those things are bad.
Good luck with this one. Too many electrical and electronic types here...
--
Will
Occasional Techno-geek
In article <[email protected]>,
Lee Michaels <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Mike in Arkansas" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Enough! I find this whole discussion shocking. sorry
>>
>> Try to find the capacity to resist reading this.
>
>How can you impede people from reading this?
>
>Particularly considering the magnetic attraction to such a highly charged
>issue.
>
>
>
Absolutely, many people want to keep up with current events.
--
Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
[email protected]
in 1205785 20050516 180850 Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:6_2ie.2450
>> > I pay you ohmage for your wit.
>>
>> You people need to shunt your conversation to another venue.
>
>Quite a series of puns. Parallels no other thread here!
(choke, choke)
On Mon, 16 May 2005 10:08:51 -0400, Lee Michaels
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Mike in Arkansas" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Enough! I find this whole discussion shocking. sorry
>>
>> Try to find the capacity to resist reading this.
>
> How can you impede people from reading this?
>
> Particularly considering the magnetic attraction to such a highly charged
> issue.
>
I try to insulate myself from these disputes.
Robatoy wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> B a r r y <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Robatoy wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:6_2ie.2450
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I pay you ohmage for your wit.
>>>>
>>>>You people need to shunt your conversation to another venue.
>>>
>>>
>>>Quite a series of puns. Parallels no other thread here!
>>
>>So much wit, all fused together.
>
>
> If this condition doesn't rectify itself soon, I'm jumping off a bridge!
I would give you a full wave as you go by but my capacity to enjoy this
crap is reaching a very high level of resistance -- no doubt a sine of
the increasing impedance to meaningful discussion -- this group needs a
new theory less we collapse in a meaningless series as opposed to
something natural -- perhaps we should stick to cutting logs? Surely
it's just another sine in an endless stream that this group is becoming
increasingly polarized -- which gives one the impulse see if we could
find a magnetic personality to give us a new direction instead of
wandering in circles with everything continuously collapsing and
expanding. Yagi, yagi, yagi -- that's all I hear, no focus -- perhaps we
could find someone who would reflect the groups values and start a
stronger wave of focused and related topics in a new continuum.
--
Will
Occasional Techno-geek
"George" <george@least> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > This is not intended to create a flame war.
> >
> > I am deeply concerned about the blatant misinformation being written by
> > a small group of wRECkers. There is nothing more dangerous than bad
> > electrical advice.
> > Many here have genuine questions which should only be answered by
> > qualified people.
> > Many answers are the right ones.
> > A few are downright wrong and dangerous.
> >
> > How does the uninitiated know the difference?
>
>
> Uh, looking it up? Search engines are great things.
>
> Ignorance is an acute condition cured by knowledge. Stupidity is chronic,
> because it seeks no knowledge, nor admits its value.
>
Uh, if they knew enough to use a search engine they wouldn't have needed to
use the Wreck in the first place. And if they were just too lazy to do that,
they won't do it AFTER getting any advice.
Just MHO,
Vic
Lee Gordon wrote:
> <<I feel your pain. But try to control your hysteresis. Don't give
> yourself anode bleed. Step up to the plate and lose your biases.
> Watch those full waves as your arm could come out of its socket.>>
>
> This discussion is really going down the tubes.
And that shocks you how? Haven't you seen the resistance of this group
to terminating some current trend that has them wired?
If you feel strongly about it, perhaps you could conduct a pole and urge
folks to volt against it.
(sorry about that last one, I deserve to whipped
with zip cord for that)
<<I feel your pain. But try to control your hysteresis. Don't give
yourself anode bleed. Step up to the plate and lose your biases.
Watch those full waves as your arm could come out of its socket.>>
This discussion is really going down the tubes.
Lee
--
To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon"
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Mike in Arkansas" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Enough! I find this whole discussion shocking. sorry
>
> Try to find the capacity to resist reading this.
How can you impede people from reading this?
Particularly considering the magnetic attraction to such a highly charged
issue.
In article <[email protected]>,
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>This is not intended to create a flame war.
>
>I am deeply concerned about the blatant misinformation being written by
>a small group of wRECkers. There is nothing more dangerous than bad
>electrical advice.
>Many here have genuine questions which should only be answered by
>qualified people.
>Many answers are the right ones.
>A few are downright wrong and dangerous.
>
>How does the uninitiated know the difference?
>
>That's right... they don't.
>
>That makes it a double-dangerous situation:
>
>A) The person with the question doesn't have a clue otherwise the
>question wouldn't be asked in here.
>B) That person who then gets an answer doesn't have a clue on the
>accuracy of such a reply running the risk of burning down the house with
>the cat in it, or blowing off a finger, doing irreparable damage to an
>expensive motor, or worse, causing death.
>
>ALL of those things are bad.
So how is it any different from any other usenet group?
--
Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
[email protected]
[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Improper wiring, by contrast, results with disturbing frequency in
> residence fires which do tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars
> worth of damage, or claim the lives of an entire family.
>
> They're just not in the same category at all, either in the nature, or
> the scope, of the consequences.
>
And they lay in hiding endangering future occupants and workers...
Patriarch
Robatoy wrote:
> This is not intended to create a flame war.
>
> I am deeply concerned about the blatant misinformation being written by
> a small group of wRECkers. There is nothing more dangerous than bad
> electrical advice.
....snip.....
You mean along the line of the "Circular saw won't ground, safe?" thread
that I finally broke down and put 2 cents in to try and get a bit of
realism to the discussion.
I agree with you fully! My back ground does not take me into industrial
areas and I will keep quiet on topics I don't have detailed and thorough
knowledge.
The referenced thread with sticking fingers in light sockets and needing
at least 100mA to kill was really getting me concerned. Thanks for
raising this.
Ed
In article <[email protected]>,
"woodworker88" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I now completely see your point. You are correct that very few
> woodworking accidents involve others compared to electrical accidents.
> However, many electrical accidents on the smaller scale involve only
> the amateur electrictian. I do agree that, given the relative scale of
> the problems, we should limit this forum to sound woodworking advice.
> If in doubt about an electrical problem, contact a licensed
> electrician. Doug, thanks for the enlightening discussion.
Yeah..and WHO said there was no rational thought in UseNet, eh?
In article <%[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Lawrence Wasserman) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 16 May 2005 23:17:05 -0400, the inscrutable Robatoy
> >> <[email protected]> spake:
> >>
> >> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >> > [email protected] (Lawrence Wasserman) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> So how is it any different from any other usenet group?
> >> >
> >> >It's different in here. Can't you feel the love?
> >>
> >> Not ONE of you fidiots heard the "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Plop!"
> >> on this one, did you? <sigh>
> >>
> >Hey now, what are you trying to say, Larry?
> >
> >
> >
> >Hello?
> >
> >
> >
> >Larry?
>
> Uh, which Larry?
> :)
LOL...wooops... The other Larry.
In article <[email protected]>,
WillR <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > B a r r y <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Robatoy wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article <[email protected]>,
> >>> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:6_2ie.2450
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I pay you ohmage for your wit.
> >>>>
> >>>>You people need to shunt your conversation to another venue.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Quite a series of puns. Parallels no other thread here!
> >>
> >>So much wit, all fused together.
> >
> >
> > If this condition doesn't rectify itself soon, I'm jumping off a bridge!
>
> I would give you a full wave as you go by but my capacity to enjoy this
> crap is reaching a very high level of resistance -- no doubt a sine of
> the increasing impedance to meaningful discussion -- this group needs a
> new theory less we collapse in a meaningless series as opposed to
> something natural -- perhaps we should stick to cutting logs? Surely
> it's just another sine in an endless stream that this group is becoming
> increasingly polarized -- which gives one the impulse see if we could
> find a magnetic personality to give us a new direction instead of
> wandering in circles with everything continuously collapsing and
> expanding. Yagi, yagi, yagi -- that's all I hear, no focus -- perhaps we
> could find someone who would reflect the groups values and start a
> stronger wave of focused and related topics in a new continuum.
Brilliant!
In article <[email protected]>,
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:6_2ie.2450
> > I pay you ohmage for your wit.
>
> You people need to shunt your conversation to another venue.
Quite a series of puns. Parallels no other thread here!
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> >I don't seek to offend or put down other people's views or opinions,
> >but I do believe that it is important to hear all points of view.
>
> As do I. That does *not* mean, however, that I believe all points of view are
> equally valid.
No argument from me, Doug. I know what you mean.
In article <[email protected]>,
Duane Bozarth <[email protected]> wrote:
> RonB wrote:
> >
> > > How does the uninitiated know the difference?
> > >
> > Excellent Point
>
> But Rob's been around long enough he should certainly be aware that
> nothing he says, does, or posts will affect those he'd like to
> reform...it is, after all, usenet.
Whoa...reform?? Warn, maybe.
In article <[email protected]>,
"Mike in Arkansas" <[email protected]> wrote:
> SIR, Message from the BORG!
> Put in on speaker Ensign.
> "STOP! Resistance is futile"
Don't listen to them! They're just armateurs.
In article <[email protected]>,
WillR <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > B a r r y <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Robatoy wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article <[email protected]>,
> >>> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:6_2ie.2450
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I pay you ohmage for your wit.
> >>>>
> >>>>You people need to shunt your conversation to another venue.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Quite a series of puns. Parallels no other thread here!
> >>
> >>So much wit, all fused together.
> >
> >
> > If this condition doesn't rectify itself soon, I'm jumping off a bridge!
>
> I would give you a full wave as you go by but my capacity to enjoy this
> crap is reaching a very high level of resistance -- no doubt a sine of
> the increasing impedance to meaningful discussion -- this group needs a
> new theory less we collapse in a meaningless series as opposed to
> something natural -- perhaps we should stick to cutting logs? Surely
> it's just another sine in an endless stream that this group is becoming
> increasingly polarized -- which gives one the impulse see if we could
> find a magnetic personality to give us a new direction instead of
> wandering in circles with everything continuously collapsing and
> expanding. Yagi, yagi, yagi -- that's all I hear, no focus -- perhaps we
> could find someone who would reflect the groups values and start a
> stronger wave of focused and related topics in a new continuum.
I feel your pain. But try to control your hysteresis. Don't give
yourself anode bleed. Step up to the plate and lose your biases.
Watch those full waves as your arm could come out of its socket.
In article <[email protected]>,
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Mike in Arkansas" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Enough! I find this whole discussion shocking. sorry
> >
> > Try to find the capacity to resist reading this.
>
> How can you impede people from reading this?
>
> Particularly considering the magnetic attraction to such a highly charged
> issue.
I was trying to induce a discussion. Never phased on me that it could
end up like this.
In article <[email protected]>,
Unquestionably Confused <[email protected]> wrote:
> Lee Gordon wrote:
> > <<I feel your pain. But try to control your hysteresis. Don't give
> > yourself anode bleed. Step up to the plate and lose your biases.
> > Watch those full waves as your arm could come out of its socket.>>
> >
> > This discussion is really going down the tubes.
>
> And that shocks you how? Haven't you seen the resistance of this group
> to terminating some current trend that has them wired?
>
> If you feel strongly about it, perhaps you could conduct a pole and urge
> folks to volt against it.
>
> (sorry about that last one, I deserve to whipped
> with zip cord for that)
I will strain to gauge the need for a corporal punishment such as that.
I'm in a bit of a flux about physical punishment.
Do not consider this post binding.
In article <[email protected]>,
"Mike in Arkansas" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Enough! I find this whole discussion shocking. sorry
Try to find the capacity to resist reading this.
In article <[email protected]>,
Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2005 23:17:05 -0400, the inscrutable Robatoy
> <[email protected]> spake:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] (Lawrence Wasserman) wrote:
> >
> >> So how is it any different from any other usenet group?
> >
> >It's different in here. Can't you feel the love?
>
> Not ONE of you fidiots heard the "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Plop!"
> on this one, did you? <sigh>
>
Hey now, what are you trying to say, Larry?
Hello?
Larry?
In article <[email protected]>,
B a r r y <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:6_2ie.2450
> >>
> >>>I pay you ohmage for your wit.
> >>
> >>You people need to shunt your conversation to another venue.
> >
> >
> > Quite a series of puns. Parallels no other thread here!
>
> So much wit, all fused together.
If this condition doesn't rectify itself soon, I'm jumping off a bridge!
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Lawrence Wasserman) wrote:
> So how is it any different from any other usenet group?
It's different in here. Can't you feel the love?
In article <[email protected]>,
"woodworker88" <[email protected]> wrote:
[severely snipped for brevity]
> but I do believe that it is important to hear all points of view.
Absolutely. Couldn't agree more.
The point of my original post was to try to warn people that just
because somebody offers up an answer, with some sound of authority, that
it could be wrong.
I think you are right to say that it's not just the topic of electricity
which can create a hazard with a wrong answer/advice.
----> EXAMPLE!!!..."When turning a bowl, you can see MUCH better if you
take off your safety glasses" <------THAT is an example.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This is not intended to create a flame war.
>
> I am deeply concerned about the blatant misinformation being written by
> a small group of wRECkers. There is nothing more dangerous than bad
> electrical advice.
If you ask me (okay, you didn't), I'd prefer that newsgroups leave it up to
the individual's own judgement on whether they should rely on information
they get in the group. (And whether they should even attempt certain
repairs/tasks themselves rather than hire a professional). We all have to do
that in our "real" life, don't we? It could just as easily be your fishin'
buddy, work colleague, or next door neighbor who tells you that you can't be
electrocuted with 120VAC. In any case, we all need to use our own judgement
about what advice we take, and we're all responsible for our actions.
The alternative, it would seem to me, would be something like alt.hvac where
it's tough to get any advice from the group. Not very helpful to be told
"call your local contractor".
Robatoy wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:6_2ie.2450
>>
>>>I pay you ohmage for your wit.
>>
>>You people need to shunt your conversation to another venue.
>
>
> Quite a series of puns. Parallels no other thread here!
So much wit, all fused together.
In article <[email protected]>, "woodworker88" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>They're just not in the same category at all, either in the nature, or
>the
>>scope, of the consequences.
>
>Someone just told me about a situation in which a student was leaning
>back in a chair/stool in a high school chem lab. The chair slipped,
>the kid fell, hit her head on the table. Was a quadraplegic until died
>at the age of ~40. Now someone could have said that she got bad advice
>about whether to lean a chair back on a slippery floor. Did she regret
>getting that information or lack of it? No one will ever know. To me,
>advice is advice. Mistakes can kill or maim no matter what they are.
True - but you're completely ignoring the concept of "relative risk". Bad
electrical wiring is _far_ more likely to cause serious injury or death, and
major property damage, than bad practices in a woodshop - and the consequences
affect innocent people as well as (or instead of) the boob who caused the
problem.
>Don't believe me: go into google scholar (searching scholarly articles)
>and type in "fatal woodworking accidents." Here is a quote from one of
>the articles: "A study from Sweden showed that woodworkers had the
>highest incidence rates of accident-related permanent disability among
>young workers. " Persson I, Larsson TJ. Accident-related permanent
>disabilities of young workers in Sweden 1984-85. Safety Sci. 1991;
>14:187-198
I'm not sure you've grasped my point yet. How many of those woodworking
accidents injured, disabled, or killed anyone besides the woodworker? How many
of those accidents caused hundreds of thousands of dollars in property damage?
Electrical fires do these things; woodworking accidents do not.
>I don't seek to offend or put down other people's views or opinions,
>but I do believe that it is important to hear all points of view.
As do I. That does *not* mean, however, that I believe all points of view are
equally valid.
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Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?
On Mon, 16 May 2005 17:33:46 -0400, Robatoy wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> B a r r y <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Robatoy wrote:
> > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:6_2ie.2450
> > >>
> > >>>I pay you ohmage for your wit.
> > >>
> > >>You people need to shunt your conversation to another venue.
> > >
> > >
> > > Quite a series of puns. Parallels no other thread here!
> >
> > So much wit, all fused together.
>
> If this condition doesn't rectify itself soon, I'm jumping off a bridge!
You seem to have the capacity to induce a great deal of laughter.
(I know, not perfect ...)
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Art Greenberg
artg AT eclipse DOT net