I am looking for a rough sawn yellow pine beam for my fireplace
mantle. The local sawmill says they have some pine logs but that they
have been sitting out for a long time and will be blue stained when
they cut them. I have seen occassional bluish stained lines in the
yellow pine 1" x 4" trim that we used to trim the house. Is the
sawmill talking about the same thing? What is this and will the log
look good as a mantle for the fireplace. I sure would like to see a
picture of a yellow pine log with blue stains. Any help of thoughts
about this will be appreciated.
[email protected] wrote:
>I am looking for a rough sawn yellow pine beam for my fireplace
>mantle. The local sawmill says they have some pine logs but that they
>have been sitting out for a long time and will be blue stained when
>they cut them. I have seen occassional bluish stained lines in the
>yellow pine 1" x 4" trim that we used to trim the house. Is the
>sawmill talking about the same thing? What is this and will the log
>look good as a mantle for the fireplace. I sure would like to see a
>picture of a yellow pine log with blue stains. Any help of thoughts
>about this will be appreciated.
You just need to have the right perspective. It's an exotic!
http://www.denimpine.ca/aboutdenimpine.asp
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alexy wrote:
> "George E. Cawthon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>alexy wrote:
>>
>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am looking for a rough sawn yellow pine beam for my fireplace
>>>>mantle. The local sawmill says they have some pine logs but that they
>>>>have been sitting out for a long time and will be blue stained when
>>>>they cut them. I have seen occassional bluish stained lines in the
>>>>yellow pine 1" x 4" trim that we used to trim the house. Is the
>>>>sawmill talking about the same thing? What is this and will the log
>>>>look good as a mantle for the fireplace. I sure would like to see a
>>>>picture of a yellow pine log with blue stains. Any help of thoughts
>>>>about this will be appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>>You just need to have the right perspective. It's an exotic!
>>>
>>>http://www.denimpine.ca/aboutdenimpine.asp
>>
>>
>>Good picture, that's what I had. Also good
>>salesmanship, but do you tell the customers that
>>the wood is very soft?
>
>
> _I_ don't tell them anything. Sorry that I forgot the disclaimer. I
> have nothing to do with this outfit, just got that cite when I asked a
> similar question.
>
> And I would not tell anyone that southern yellow pine is very soft;
> AFAIK, it is one of the hardest of softwoods, harder than many
> hardwoods.
>
Uh, lots of misunderstanding here.
First, I was referring to the Denimpine guy, not
you, but that may not have been clear. Second,
the Denimpine guy wasn't selling SYP cause it
doesn't grow up there. It is likely, Ponderosa
pine or lodgepole pine and the blue stain will be
very soft. The original poster didn't indicate
what species, just yellow pine, maybe he was
referring to SYP, but I don't know if blue stain
occurs in SYP.
Thanks for the replys. I looked up the web site and then did a search
on denim pine. The owner of the sawmill said that his logs had just
sat out quite a while and that under those circumstances some kind of
mold had grown and probably spread through the log. Is this the same
thing? He said that a log that had been freshly cut would not have
this coloration. It looks like the denim pine is the result of a
beetle.
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 21:49:32 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>I am looking for a rough sawn yellow pine beam for my fireplace
>mantle. The local sawmill says they have some pine logs but that they
>have been sitting out for a long time and will be blue stained when
>they cut them. I have seen occassional bluish stained lines in the
>yellow pine 1" x 4" trim that we used to trim the house. Is the
>sawmill talking about the same thing? What is this and will the log
>look good as a mantle for the fireplace. I sure would like to see a
>picture of a yellow pine log with blue stains. Any help of thoughts
>about this will be appreciated.
How about fir if it is kiln dried? I looked at bass wood but it was
almost pure white and had no knots. I just want something that is a
bit more colorful. Also, I have a fir door and like the reddish
color.
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:44:35 GMT, Pat Barber
<[email protected]> wrote:
>More than you "ever" wanted to know about "blue stain fungi"
>
>http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf2000/croan00a.pdf
>
>Find some suitable wood for your mantle. SYP is not a
>friendly wood in heat and changing humidity conditions.
>
>I would look for a large piece of bass wood or maybe even
>poplar, which is a wee bit more stable.
>
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> I am looking for a rough sawn yellow pine beam for my fireplace
>> mantle. The local sawmill says they have some pine logs but that they
>> have been sitting out for a long time and will be blue stained when
>> they cut them. I have seen occassional bluish stained lines in the
>> yellow pine 1" x 4" trim that we used to trim the house. Is the
>> sawmill talking about the same thing? What is this and will the log
>> look good as a mantle for the fireplace. I sure would like to see a
>> picture of a yellow pine log with blue stains. Any help of thoughts
>> about this will be appreciated.
How about fir if it is kiln dried? I looked at bass wood but it was
almost pure white and had no knots. I just want something that is a
bit more colorful. Also, I have a fir door and like the reddish
color.
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:44:35 GMT, Pat Barber
<[email protected]> wrote:
>More than you "ever" wanted to know about "blue stain fungi"
>
>http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf2000/croan00a.pdf
>
>Find some suitable wood for your mantle. SYP is not a
>friendly wood in heat and changing humidity conditions.
>
>I would look for a large piece of bass wood or maybe even
>poplar, which is a wee bit more stable.
>
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> I am looking for a rough sawn yellow pine beam for my fireplace
>> mantle. The local sawmill says they have some pine logs but that they
>> have been sitting out for a long time and will be blue stained when
>> they cut them. I have seen occassional bluish stained lines in the
>> yellow pine 1" x 4" trim that we used to trim the house. Is the
>> sawmill talking about the same thing? What is this and will the log
>> look good as a mantle for the fireplace. I sure would like to see a
>> picture of a yellow pine log with blue stains. Any help of thoughts
>> about this will be appreciated.
Thanks for the replys. I looked up the web site and then did a search
on denim pine. The owner of the sawmill said that his logs had just
sat out quite a while and that under those circumstances some kind of
mold had grown and probably spread through the log. Is this the same
thing? He said that a log that had been freshly cut would not have
this coloration. It looks like the denim pine is the result of a
beetle.
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 21:49:32 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>I am looking for a rough sawn yellow pine beam for my fireplace
>mantle. The local sawmill says they have some pine logs but that they
>have been sitting out for a long time and will be blue stained when
>they cut them. I have seen occassional bluish stained lines in the
>yellow pine 1" x 4" trim that we used to trim the house. Is the
>sawmill talking about the same thing? What is this and will the log
>look good as a mantle for the fireplace. I sure would like to see a
>picture of a yellow pine log with blue stains. Any help of thoughts
>about this will be appreciated.
[email protected] wrote:
> I am looking for a rough sawn yellow pine beam for my fireplace
> mantle. The local sawmill says they have some pine logs but that they
> have been sitting out for a long time and will be blue stained when
> they cut them. I have seen occassional bluish stained lines in the
> yellow pine 1" x 4" trim that we used to trim the house. Is the
> sawmill talking about the same thing? What is this and will the log
> look good as a mantle for the fireplace. I sure would like to see a
> picture of a yellow pine log with blue stains. Any help of thoughts
> about this will be appreciated.
From and artical Wally pointed me to.
"As with other pines, Ponderosa can be subject to blue stain if a felled
tree or green lumber becomes too warm before it is dried. Blue stain
does not affect strength and is admissible in some of the lower grades.
It can be hidden with paint or enhanced with clear finishes depending on
user preference."
Regards
John
Wally wrote:
> I remember seeing this called Ponderosa pine.
> http://www.wwpa.org/ppine.htm
G'day Wally.
That was an interesting article. Ponderosa sounds like a pretty decent
timber. In Oz. we generally use Radiata Pine, It has a very distinctive
grain and generally lots of knots and faults. You can, however, with a
bit of patience sort through the stacks and get some pretty decent stuff.
Regards
John
alexy wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>>I am looking for a rough sawn yellow pine beam for my fireplace
>>mantle. The local sawmill says they have some pine logs but that they
>>have been sitting out for a long time and will be blue stained when
>>they cut them. I have seen occassional bluish stained lines in the
>>yellow pine 1" x 4" trim that we used to trim the house. Is the
>>sawmill talking about the same thing? What is this and will the log
>>look good as a mantle for the fireplace. I sure would like to see a
>>picture of a yellow pine log with blue stains. Any help of thoughts
>>about this will be appreciated.
>
>
> You just need to have the right perspective. It's an exotic!
>
> http://www.denimpine.ca/aboutdenimpine.asp
I've read some bullshit before, but "Denim Pine" "Exotic" this would
have to be close to the top of the pile.
Suppose there is one born everyday. :)
Disclaimer;-No disrespect meant to any in this group. :)
regards
John
John B wrote:
> alexy wrote:
>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I am looking for a rough sawn yellow pine beam for my fireplace
>>> mantle. The local sawmill says they have some pine logs but that they
>>> have been sitting out for a long time and will be blue stained when
>>> they cut them. I have seen occassional bluish stained lines in the
>>> yellow pine 1" x 4" trim that we used to trim the house. Is the
>>> sawmill talking about the same thing? What is this and will the log
>>> look good as a mantle for the fireplace. I sure would like to see a
>>> picture of a yellow pine log with blue stains. Any help of thoughts
>>> about this will be appreciated.
>>
>>
>> You just need to have the right perspective. It's an exotic!
>>
>> http://www.denimpine.ca/aboutdenimpine.asp
>
> I've read some bullshit before, but "Denim Pine" "Exotic" this would
> have to be close to the top of the pile.
> Suppose there is one born everyday. :)
> Disclaimer;-No disrespect meant to any in this group. :)
> regards
> John
Exotic is a bit excessive, but preferred by some
and willing to pay a higher price for blue stain
is true. I think the higher price has to do with
the increased stain holding capability.
"George E. Cawthon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> It is the result of a fungus. The denim pine was probably killed by
> beetles and then stood there and the fungus started growing. Dead
> standing or dead lying down, the blue stain is still caused by a fungus.
> The resultant streaks of blue, however, may be somewhat different because
> orientation when the fungus was growing.
I have some wood that was used as dunnage in a shipping container from
Korea. I thought the stains made it a cheap grade and the reason it ended
up as bracing/dunnage. I guess I'm sitting on a real prize now that I know
is as a premium wood. Damned good salesman that denim guy.
"George E. Cawthon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>alexy wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I am looking for a rough sawn yellow pine beam for my fireplace
>>>mantle. The local sawmill says they have some pine logs but that they
>>>have been sitting out for a long time and will be blue stained when
>>>they cut them. I have seen occassional bluish stained lines in the
>>>yellow pine 1" x 4" trim that we used to trim the house. Is the
>>>sawmill talking about the same thing? What is this and will the log
>>>look good as a mantle for the fireplace. I sure would like to see a
>>>picture of a yellow pine log with blue stains. Any help of thoughts
>>>about this will be appreciated.
>>
>>
>> You just need to have the right perspective. It's an exotic!
>>
>> http://www.denimpine.ca/aboutdenimpine.asp
>
>
>Good picture, that's what I had. Also good
>salesmanship, but do you tell the customers that
>the wood is very soft?
_I_ don't tell them anything. Sorry that I forgot the disclaimer. I
have nothing to do with this outfit, just got that cite when I asked a
similar question.
And I would not tell anyone that southern yellow pine is very soft;
AFAIK, it is one of the hardest of softwoods, harder than many
hardwoods.
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More than you "ever" wanted to know about "blue stain fungi"
http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf2000/croan00a.pdf
Find some suitable wood for your mantle. SYP is not a
friendly wood in heat and changing humidity conditions.
I would look for a large piece of bass wood or maybe even
poplar, which is a wee bit more stable.
[email protected] wrote:
> I am looking for a rough sawn yellow pine beam for my fireplace
> mantle. The local sawmill says they have some pine logs but that they
> have been sitting out for a long time and will be blue stained when
> they cut them. I have seen occassional bluish stained lines in the
> yellow pine 1" x 4" trim that we used to trim the house. Is the
> sawmill talking about the same thing? What is this and will the log
> look good as a mantle for the fireplace. I sure would like to see a
> picture of a yellow pine log with blue stains. Any help of thoughts
> about this will be appreciated.
"George E. Cawthon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I don't know if blue stain
>occurs in SYP.
My workbench is evidence that it does.
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alexy wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>>I am looking for a rough sawn yellow pine beam for my fireplace
>>mantle. The local sawmill says they have some pine logs but that they
>>have been sitting out for a long time and will be blue stained when
>>they cut them. I have seen occassional bluish stained lines in the
>>yellow pine 1" x 4" trim that we used to trim the house. Is the
>>sawmill talking about the same thing? What is this and will the log
>>look good as a mantle for the fireplace. I sure would like to see a
>>picture of a yellow pine log with blue stains. Any help of thoughts
>>about this will be appreciated.
>
>
> You just need to have the right perspective. It's an exotic!
>
> http://www.denimpine.ca/aboutdenimpine.asp
Good picture, that's what I had. Also good
salesmanship, but do you tell the customers that
the wood is very soft?
[email protected] wrote:
> Thanks for the replys. I looked up the web site and then did a search
> on denim pine. The owner of the sawmill said that his logs had just
> sat out quite a while and that under those circumstances some kind of
> mold had grown and probably spread through the log. Is this the same
> thing? He said that a log that had been freshly cut would not have
> this coloration. It looks like the denim pine is the result of a
> beetle.
>
>
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 21:49:32 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>>I am looking for a rough sawn yellow pine beam for my fireplace
>>mantle. The local sawmill says they have some pine logs but that they
>>have been sitting out for a long time and will be blue stained when
>>they cut them. I have seen occassional bluish stained lines in the
>>yellow pine 1" x 4" trim that we used to trim the house. Is the
>>sawmill talking about the same thing? What is this and will the log
>>look good as a mantle for the fireplace. I sure would like to see a
>>picture of a yellow pine log with blue stains. Any help of thoughts
>>about this will be appreciated.
>
>
It is the result of a fungus. The denim pine was
probably killed by beetles and then stood there
and the fungus started growing. Dead standing or
dead lying down, the blue stain is still caused by
a fungus. The resultant streaks of blue, however,
may be somewhat different because orientation when
the fungus was growing.
[email protected] wrote:
> I am looking for a rough sawn yellow pine beam for my fireplace
> mantle. The local sawmill says they have some pine logs but that they
> have been sitting out for a long time and will be blue stained when
> they cut them. I have seen occassional bluish stained lines in the
> yellow pine 1" x 4" trim that we used to trim the house. Is the
> sawmill talking about the same thing? What is this and will the log
> look good as a mantle for the fireplace. I sure would like to see a
> picture of a yellow pine log with blue stains. Any help of thoughts
> about this will be appreciated.
My built-in book cases include blue-stain yellow
pine, but I stained it a dark brown color. I
looked for a left-over unstained board but
couldn't find one. Blue stain is more gray than
blue, and tends to be streaky, so if you are
interested in the bright yellow of yellow pine and
expect a bright blue stain, you will be
disappointed, it will be mostly a speckled gray.
Also, the blue-stain is much softer than the
unstained parts. If you plan on staining it, you
will find that whatever stain you add it will be
much darker wherever the blue stain is. Although
people pay higher for blue-stain, I don't
understand it. Also, I can't imagine a yellow
pine mantel that doesn't look yellow.
Course we could be talking about different yellow
pines and the fungus that makes the blue/gray
color could produce quite different effects
depending on species of tree.
George E. Cawthon wrote:
> John B wrote:
>
>> alexy wrote:
>>
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I am looking for a rough sawn yellow pine beam for my fireplace
>>>> mantle. The local sawmill says they have some pine logs but that they
>>>> have been sitting out for a long time and will be blue stained when
>>>> they cut them. I have seen occassional bluish stained lines in the
>>>> yellow pine 1" x 4" trim that we used to trim the house. Is the
>>>> sawmill talking about the same thing? What is this and will the log
>>>> look good as a mantle for the fireplace. I sure would like to see a
>>>> picture of a yellow pine log with blue stains. Any help of thoughts
>>>> about this will be appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You just need to have the right perspective. It's an exotic!
>>>
>>> http://www.denimpine.ca/aboutdenimpine.asp
>>
>>
>> I've read some bullshit before, but "Denim Pine" "Exotic" this would
>> have to be close to the top of the pile.
>> Suppose there is one born everyday. :)
>> Disclaimer;-No disrespect meant to any in this group. :)
>> regards
>> John
>
>
> Exotic is a bit excessive, but preferred by some and willing to pay a
> higher price for blue stain is true. I think the higher price has to do
> with the increased stain holding capability.
George, You could be right.
I tend to hide the blue stains if I can or chuck it if I can't.
Will have to start making it a feature ;)
all the best
John