Wed, Nov 5, 2003, 1:26pm (EST-1) [email protected] (Faustino=A0Dina)
wants to know:
..to attend any training on basic woodworking, including power tools
usage technics and finishing, which book do you recommend? <snip>
Depends. Before I made any book recommendation, I would have to
have more information.
Would power tools be available, or just hand tools? If power
tools, what ones? If just hand tools, which ones? If both, which
ones? And, what would be made? If furniture, what kinds? That is,
just tables, tables and chairs? Just rocking chiars? Doll houses?
Kid's toys? Houses? What?
See what I mean? Anyway, if you want to learn out of a book, I
don't know that just one book would cover all you needed to know, unless
maybe it was something on a specific item, such as making a specific
type of chair. If you figure you an't get any type of training at all
(I'm thinking you mean a class, or formal training), I'd say find a
carpenter, or someone, and ask them some questions. Maybe they would
be willing to take you on as a free helper, so you can learn some of the
basics. Might even pay you something. I'm sure there's someone near
you that could help you some. Where are you, anyway?
JOAT
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from human beings as possible.
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Faustino,
my website has some recommendations:
http://woodworking.homeip.net/wood/ and select Reference books from the
menu.
Greg
"Faustino Dina" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> ...to attend any training on basic woodworking, including power tools
usage
> technics and finishing, which book do you recommend? I'm thinking only one
> book with the best coverage of technics used on furniture construction.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Faustino
>
>
Faustino Dina wrote:
> ...to attend any training on basic woodworking, including power tools
> usage technics and finishing, which book do you recommend? I'm thinking
> only one book with the best coverage of technics used on furniture
> construction.
What's the bookstore situation in your corner of Mexico? How about
libraries? My first recommendation would be to just go to the local
bookstore and have a look at the woodworking section.
You can definitely learn how to do this stuff from books. I've never had a
shop class in my life.
As has been mentioned, no one book will do. You'll end up with a bunch
sooner or later anyway, so if you're interested in furniture, then buy a
book about making furniture. If you don't understand what it's telling
you, then buy a book about whatever you didn't understand.
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On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:26:07 -0600, "Faustino Dina"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>...to attend any training on basic woodworking, including power tools usage
>technics and finishing, which book do you recommend? I'm thinking only one
>book with the best coverage of technics used on furniture construction.
>
>Thanks in advance
>Faustino
>
Cabinetmaking and Millwork, Feirer.
Encyclopedia of Furnituremaking, Joyce.
Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
On 6-Nov-2003, Victor <[email protected]> wrote:
> Would you by chance have the ISBN numbers for these books. I have
> found two written by Feirer and four by Joyce. Thanks
FWIW, the Feirer book is out of print. Lots of copies available
thru used dealers, www.abe.com, for example. Most are 1970 but
the most recent seems to be about 1987 or so.
Mike
You are right, let me be more specific... Ok, I'm just an amateur
woodworker. My approach can be classified as "utilitarian hobby". Hobby
'cause I'm a full time employee (software programmer), and "utilitarian"
'cause actually I'm living on an empty house. Then when I was planning to
buy some cheap furniture to fill the house, I realize that cheap furniture
is so simple made that I can (I hope) do something at least similar, for a
fraction of the price. Better invest in tools and at the same time I just
find a necessary hobby to balance intelectual job (nothing relate to Feng
Shui, I swear). Then I bought a hand saw and started to make cabinets for
the kitchen with particleboard. When I was tired of sawing, I invest in a
circular saw. Apart of cabinets I'm planning to make something like a sofa,
and a dinner table. So, tight budget and no time absolutely to attend curses
or work as apprentice. Only the Internet (and rec.woodworking) for making
questions. I realize that I have so many questions that It is better to
invest in a book at least for the very basic questions...
I think a generic book on cabinet making and other basic furniture making
that covers such basic topics like handling basic power tools (saws, router,
sanders, etc) and techniques like sanding, finishing, will be a great help.
> Would power tools be available, or just hand tools? If power
tools, what ones? If just hand tools, which ones? If both, which
ones?
Hands tools: hand saw, chisel, rasp
Power tools: circular saw, drill, may be a sander and a router in the near
future
> And, what would be made? If furniture, what kinds?
Cabinets, sofa, table... basic home furniture, simplest (modern?) designs...
> Where are you, anyway?
I live in Veracruz, Mexico. We have no such a "DIY movement" here and is
very difficult to find the products and materials that are reviewed in the
forum. W' shops are very focused to professional woodworkers, and hobbist
are not so welcomed.
Thanks for your interest
Faustino
Wed, Nov 5, 2003, 3:21pm (EST-1) [email protected] (Faustino=A0Dina)
says:
<snip> Cabinets, sofa, table... basic home furniture, simplest (modern?)
designs...
<snip> Veracruz, Mexico <snip>
OK, this might be about what you're looking for. I'm pretty sure
I've never looked at this book, but I've got a similar one around here
somewhere, and mine has some decent looking furniture, and it's pretty
simple. If you have a library with woodworking books, you could look
thru what they have. And, if you ask nice, they might get some books on
loan for you, if they don't have them on hand. If you're gonna buy, I
don't like to recommend any books for someone to buy, because I usually
don't like books someone buys for me. When I buy one for myself, unless
it's for pure reading, I like to look them over, so I know what's in
them before I put out money.
http://www.avidmediainc.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=3D96
I've got a few books around that might be close to what you want,
I'll post the titles, if I can find them.
JOAT
My aim is to get through life peacefully, with as little interferrnce
from human beings as possible.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 6 Nov 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
> What's the bookstore situation in your corner of Mexico? How about
> libraries? My first recommendation would be to just go to the local
> bookstore and have a look at the woodworking section.
The only I've found is a book for building sofas... I've been looking inside
(I don't like to buy a technical book without looking inside first) and it's
really useful. It is on my plans to use it for "furnituring" my living room.
But I feel before going to the specifics, before reading on plans an design,
it will be usefull to get the whole picture and basic techniques. When you
are an expert in some topic you laught in such introductory simple books,
but when you stand on the beginning of the lane these books can be very
helpfull. I'm just making the analogy with software books. I have a degree
on Physics from the University, but actually I work as a programmer. And
everithing I know about programming I learn from books by myself. Just give
me the light, I have not so much time and money for buying all the Amazon
stock on woodworking just to find (on my 90's) a good starting book (!) The
experience is here on the forum, that is why I'm posting here...
Thanks all for your comments
Faustino
Tage Frid Teaches Woodworking books 1&2 bound together I feel does
what the title says, teaches basics of woodworking. How to make many
joints using hand and power tools is where he starts. Any chance a
library can get the book for you to look at? Cost is about $30.00USD
and every time I open it I find something that was read before but now
I recognise it as something useful. Like you I'm self taught after my
wife wanted a simple shelf to hang on the wall about 15 years ago and
this book was very helpful to me even after making several of the
joints before.
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:49:10 -0600, "Faustino Dina"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>The only I've found is a book for building sofas... I've been looking inside
>(I don't like to buy a technical book without looking inside first) and it's
>really useful.
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 19:37:52 GMT, Tom Watson
<[email protected]> scribbled
>On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:26:07 -0600, "Faustino Dina"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>...to attend any training on basic woodworking, including power tools usage
>>technics and finishing, which book do you recommend? I'm thinking only one
>>book with the best coverage of technics used on furniture construction.
>>
>>Thanks in advance
>>Faustino
>>
>
>
>Cabinetmaking and Millwork, Feirer.
>
>Encyclopedia of Furnituremaking, Joyce.
I would second Tom's recommendation on Feirer. It is the basic
textbook used to teach cabinetmaking everywhere north of the Rio
Grande (well, maybe, except for Quebec), up to and including the Yukon
(where I am). Very comprehensive, tries to cover everything at a
pretty basic level.
Joyce is a step up from Feirer, more details on construction and a lot
more on design. I would argue that it would be a good choice after you
understand Feirer, which is at a more basic level.
Luigi
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Michael Daly wrote:
> On 5-Nov-2003, Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Ayn Rand. Seems a popular choice with those who decide to only ever
>> read one book 8-)
>
> No, actually it's that if they've read Ayn Rand, they never want
> to risk reading another book again.
I have *not* read Ayn Rand, for the record. :)
None of the rest of that stuff in a similar vein of popularity either. If
people think it's weighty and importand and profound and deep and stuff,
then ah gahrontee it will be mind numbingly boring, and a buncha English
majors and professors will spend the next 1,000 years writing papers about
why the author used the semicolon so effectively in the work.
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Faustino Dina wrote:
> I live in Veracruz, Mexico. We have no such a "DIY movement" here and is
> very difficult to find the products and materials that are reviewed in the
> forum. W' shops are very focused to professional woodworkers, and hobbist
> are not so welcomed.
Do places on the internet ship to Mexico? There's always mail order, maybe.
Come to think of it, I know absolutely nothing about what life is really
like in your country. I expect most of what I think I know is probably
wrong.
If you're bored some day, drop me a line and tell me what daily life is
really like in Veracruz for a computer programmer. (En español, si
prefieres...)
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Would you by chance have the ISBN numbers for these books. I have
found two written by Feirer and four by Joyce. Thanks
Vic
>
>
>Cabinetmaking and Millwork, Feirer.
>
>Encyclopedia of Furnituremaking, Joyce.
>
>
>Regards, Tom
>Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
>Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
>http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:26:07 -0600, "Faustino Dina"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>...to attend any training on basic woodworking, including power tools usage
>technics and finishing, which book do you recommend?
Tage Frid Teaches Woodworking, the first book, on techniques
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1561580686/codesmiths-20
I started putting a list up here, with some reviews. One day I'll
finish writing the page !
http://codesmiths.com/shed/books/woodworking.htm#begin_here
>I'm thinking only one book
Ayn Rand. Seems a popular choice with those who decide to only ever
read one book 8-)
>with the best coverage of technics used on furniture construction.
I think this is at least three books; joinery, finishing, design. I
really don't know a good book that does all three in one.
--
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On 6-Nov-2003, Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
> If people think it's weighty and importand and profound and deep and stuff,
People think that, but it's nothing of the kind. Rand is a right-wing
writer who can stretch a short story idea into a mind-numbing mega-novel.
She's a terrible writer with a small number of ideas worth debating.
Her fame, like that of many famous people, has greatly exceeded her value
to society.
Mike
Mike Daly responds:
>
>> If people think it's weighty and importand and profound and deep and stuff,
>
>People think that, but it's nothing of the kind. Rand is a right-wing
>writer who can stretch a short story idea into a mind-numbing mega-novel.
>She's a terrible writer with a small number of ideas worth debating.
>Her fame, like that of many famous people, has greatly exceeded her value
>to society.
Yes. I tried reading her stuff many, many years, back when I had plenty of
spare time, when I was in the Marines. Romeo recalls and all that good stuff
leave you sitting around for hours with nothing to do. I had to lay off Ayn
Rand: first, she seldom made a whole lot of sense; second, she made me sleepy,
which displeased my NCOIC.
I'm not at all sure she had a short story's worth of ideas in those jumbo
novels, anyway.
Charlie Self
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
Thomas J. Watson
On 06 Nov 2003 20:56:58 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:
>I'm not at all sure she had a short story's worth of ideas in those jumbo
>novels, anyway.
As Dorothy Parker might have said about Ms. Rand:
"There's no there, there."
Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:52:58 -0500, Victor <[email protected]>
asked:
>Would you by chance have the ISBN numbers for these books. I have
>found two written by Feirer and four by Joyce. Thanks
>
>Vic
>>
>>
>>Cabinetmaking and Millwork, Feirer.
Mine is 5th edition, revised, (c) 1988. ISBN 0-02-675950-0 (Text)
Published by Glencoe Publishing Company
>>Encyclopedia of Furnituremaking, Joyce.
Mine is Revised and Expanded by Alan Peters, 1987 , Published by
Sterling Publishing. Three ISBN mentioned inside
ISBN 0-8069-6440-5
0-8069-7142-8 pbk.
0-8069-7203-3
HTH
Luigi
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Michael Daly wrote:
> People think that, but it's nothing of the kind. Rand is a right-wing
> writer who can stretch a short story idea into a mind-numbing mega-novel.
> She's a terrible writer with a small number of ideas worth debating.
> Her fame, like that of many famous people, has greatly exceeded her value
> to society.
Ah, so she must be an important literary figure then, like I thought. :)
(If it's something everyone "simply must" read, I don't usually read it for
this very reason.)
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On 5-Nov-2003, Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ayn Rand. Seems a popular choice with those who decide to only ever
> read one book 8-)
No, actually it's that if they've read Ayn Rand, they never want
to risk reading another book again.
Mike
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 18:20:04 GMT, "Michael Daly"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Rand is a right-wing
>writer who can stretch a short story idea into a mind-numbing mega-novel.
E E Smith, but without the spaceships.