Leon wrote:
>
> "DS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:wdCCj.22775$TT4.5957@attbi_s22...
>> Leon wrote:
>>> "DS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:bazCj.75585$yE1.33575@attbi_s21...
>>>
>>>> I imagine a stain would do the trick.
>>>
>>> I think then it would look like stained imbossed wood, sorta like
>>> fiberglass entry doors that have a wood grain faux finish. It's a
>>> different look but IMHO by no realistic looking. Some siding companies
>>> have products that have a wood grain appearance and that is better than
>>> a flat finish however MDF does not do well out doors.
>>
>> I spent a little time in a furniture store yesterday. I'm appalled at the
>> prices they're charging for this poorly fitted, ugly finished stuff
>> they're passing off as furniture.
>
> Ihave been seeing this for 30 years and is partly the reasion I got into
> woodworking seriousely. I have built all the all wood furniture in our
> home.
>
Ditto
>
>
>
>> My sister in law kept saying "ooh, look at the pretty wood grain in this
>> one..." when what I saw was paper veneer over mdf. Imagine how impressed
>> she would have been if the "pretty wood grain" had texture, and wasn't
>> just printed.
>
> Some people just don't care.
>
Or are only looking at the "right now" decorator chic style.
... snip
>
>> As long as we're happy buying paper veneered furniture, I guess that's
>> what we'll continue to be offered.
>
> We live in a throw away society.
>>
and that is why IMO, that kind of "furniture" is so popular. It costs
less than real wood and fits in with today's "let's remodel the living room
we remodeled 5 years ago and throw out all the old stuff" mentality. Many
people want something that looks good right now, fits the current
decorating styles, and will get rid of it in a few years when they find the
next big thing. I'm not wired that way. If something will last for 40
years, I'm all in; if it's only going to be good for a year or two and then
needs to be replaced -- not so much.
--
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Leon wrote:
>
> "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> The only downside is that MDF is easier to dent, but it takes filler
>> well at the next painting.
>
> Well there is that, and it is H E A V Y. Other than what you mentioned
> and the weight, it's kinda fun to work with.
I guess, if you don't mind the dust that gets all over everything.
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
Bonehenge (B A R R Y) wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:43:18 GMT, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>What many of today's furniture buyers don't realize is that "Quality" is
>>always in style.
>
> Same with trim and cabinetry.
>
> Have you seen the new "high gloss laminates" that are all the rage in
> Keepingupwiththejonesville?
>
> <http://www.cantonrep.com/photos/2008/03/m_15mw__travis.jpg>
>
> As I travel around Fairfield County, CT and Westchester County, NY,
> every showroom has 'em in the front window.
Cool, current decorating style is up to the 1950's. We've got the same
kind of thing at work with our lobby furniture; they recently remodeled and
put in chairs and seating areas that look like a throwback to the 1950's.
Wierdest darn furniture you ever saw.
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
On Mar 15, 8:49=A0am, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:43:18 GMT, "Leon"
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >What many of today's furniture buyers don't realize is that "Quality" is
> >always in style.
>
> Same with trim and cabinetry.
>
> Have you seen the new "high gloss laminates" that are all the rage in
> Keepingupwiththejonesville?
>
> <http://www.cantonrep.com/photos/2008/03/m_15mw__travis.jpg>
>
> As I travel around Fairfield County, CT and Westchester County, NY,
> every showroom has 'em in the front window.
High gloss in kitchens? That can be stunning.
http://www.neffkitchens.com/
These guys are good at polyester paint jobs on their doors that will
make the Bentley people proud. (btw, a high-gloss 1949 Bentley still
looks pretty good today.) Peruse, if you will, their kitchen
galleries.
Functionality, design and execution transcends details like gloss.
Unfortunately, sometimes gloss takes on the role of turd polish. If
that is what you mean, I agree. Ugly with a shine is even uglier.
Conversely, a great design can handle some gloss.
r
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:43:18 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>What many of today's furniture buyers don't realize is that "Quality" is
>always in style.
Same with trim and cabinetry.
Have you seen the new "high gloss laminates" that are all the rage in
Keepingupwiththejonesville?
<http://www.cantonrep.com/photos/2008/03/m_15mw__travis.jpg>
As I travel around Fairfield County, CT and Westchester County, NY,
every showroom has 'em in the front window.
On Mar 14, 8:55 am, skeez <[email protected]> wrote:
> this stuff is aimed at the construction industry, not woodworkers!
I think that was the gist of it. I didn't see anyone saying that they
thought they should make a Maloof rocking chair from that stuff.
> a LOT of stuff in new homes is painted MDF including trim, mantles and
> other decorative items that are paint grade. the woodgrain will add
> depth to an otherwise plain surface.
I personally like the "woodgrain" effect of an mdf interior door over
a plain smooth panel myself. Since all the doors are sprayed with
enamel these days, you can still see the texture through the finish.
You know it isn't wood, hell everyone knows it isn't wood, but it does
look better than smooth.
Personaly I hate the stuff but it
> is a cheaper alternative for contractors and we all know what kind of
> cheap bastards they are! :-]> Its cheaper therefore creating a bigger
> profit margin.
I have absolutely no problem using what ever kind of material floats a
client's boat. You actually have it backwards.
The more expensive the material is, the more money we make while
keeping the same percentage of markup. I would love to have batches
of >>clients<< that weren't so cheap as to complain about the cost of
using real non finger jointed, premium woods throughout their homes.
Those were the days....
Robert
"patrick mitchel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080310110857.htm Pat
>
Look out, folks. The global warming people are coming for your lumber!
Them's fightin' words!
-Barry
On Mar 13, 2:01 pm, "patrick mitchel" <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080310110857.htm Pat
There's much more than grain in a piece of wood. There's
also depth and range of color, such as in air-dried black
walnut burl. Otherwise, you're just using a laser to make
hi-tech wood grained Contact paper.
patrick mitchel wrote:
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080310110857.htm Pat
I think it's a great idea! With laser engraving, they could imitate any
grain pattern they choose, from piney wood to rare burl. With good wood
getting harder to find and more expensive, this may ease the strain a
little bit. For mass production where cost is a driving factor, maybe
they'll use this stuff and leave the nice boards for those who
appreciate it.
"DS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:bazCj.75585$yE1.33575@attbi_s21...
>
> I imagine a stain would do the trick.
I think then it would look like stained imbossed wood, sorta like fiberglass
entry doors that have a wood grain faux finish. It's a different look but
IMHO by no realistic looking. Some siding companies have products that have
a wood grain appearance and that is better than a flat finish however MDF
does not do well out doors.
> It isn't something I'd want to use much, my point is that a more
> attractive mdf would be used more in mass produced pieces. And since it
> can be made from less desirable wood, it would ease the strain on the
> supply of good quality woods.
If this eased the demand on more desirable woods, that outld probably just
mean more wood to go to Japan. They already get the best woods for veneers.
IMHO this MDF would only repalce or be substituted for MDF that has a flat
no texture finish. I seriousely doubt it's ability to replace any wood
product over and above what regular MDF does presently.
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leon wrote:
>> We live in a throw away society.
>>>
>
> and that is why IMO, that kind of "furniture" is so popular. It costs
> less than real wood and fits in with today's "let's remodel the living
> room
> we remodeled 5 years ago and throw out all the old stuff" mentality. Many
> people want something that looks good right now, fits the current
> decorating styles, and will get rid of it in a few years when they find
> the
> next big thing. I'm not wired that way. If something will last for 40
> years, I'm all in; if it's only going to be good for a year or two and
> then
> needs to be replaced -- not so much.
What many of today's furniture buyers don't realize is that "Quality" is
always in style.
"DS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:wdCCj.22775$TT4.5957@attbi_s22...
> Leon wrote:
>> "DS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:bazCj.75585$yE1.33575@attbi_s21...
>>
>>> I imagine a stain would do the trick.
>>
>> I think then it would look like stained imbossed wood, sorta like
>> fiberglass entry doors that have a wood grain faux finish. It's a
>> different look but IMHO by no realistic looking. Some siding companies
>> have products that have a wood grain appearance and that is better than a
>> flat finish however MDF does not do well out doors.
>
> I spent a little time in a furniture store yesterday. I'm appalled at the
> prices they're charging for this poorly fitted, ugly finished stuff
> they're passing off as furniture.
Ihave been seeing this for 30 years and is partly the reasion I got into
woodworking seriousely. I have built all the all wood furniture in our
home.
> My sister in law kept saying "ooh, look at the pretty wood grain in this
> one..." when what I saw was paper veneer over mdf. Imagine how impressed
> she would have been if the "pretty wood grain" had texture, and wasn't
> just printed.
Some people just don't care.
>
>>> It isn't something I'd want to use much, my point is that a more
>>> attractive mdf would be used more in mass produced pieces. And since it
>>> can be made from less desirable wood, it would ease the strain on the
>>> supply of good quality woods.
>>
>> If this eased the demand on more desirable woods, that outld probably
>> just mean more wood to go to Japan. They already get the best woods for
>> veneers.
>> IMHO this MDF would only repalce or be substituted for MDF that has a
>> flat no texture finish. I seriousely doubt it's ability to replace any
>> wood product over and above what regular MDF does presently.
>
> So what makes the Japanese so special that they're getting all the good
> stuff? I guess they're paying the top prices for it.
That is correct.
> As long as we're happy buying paper veneered furniture, I guess that's
> what we'll continue to be offered.
We live in a throw away society.
>
"Bonehenge (B A R R Y)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:43:18 GMT, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Have you seen the new "high gloss laminates" that are all the rage in
> Keepingupwiththejonesville?
>
> <http://www.cantonrep.com/photos/2008/03/m_15mw__travis.jpg>
>
OW! MY EYES!!!!! THE PAIN!
hideous.
jc
"DS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:9MgCj.74340$yE1.19167@attbi_s21...
> patrick mitchel wrote:
>> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080310110857.htm Pat
>
> I think it's a great idea! With laser engraving, they could imitate any
> grain pattern they choose, from piney wood to rare burl.
THEN, what do yo do with it, paint it to look like real wood?
"Bonehenge (B A R R Y)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:43:18 GMT, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>What many of today's furniture buyers don't realize is that "Quality" is
>>always in style.
>
> Same with trim and cabinetry.
>
> Have you seen the new "high gloss laminates" that are all the rage in
> Keepingupwiththejonesville?
>
> <http://www.cantonrep.com/photos/2008/03/m_15mw__travis.jpg>
>
> As I travel around Fairfield County, CT and Westchester County, NY,
> every showroom has 'em in the front window.
It does look good in the showroom window. LOL. Wait till you wipe it down
one time and have to treat it like a window glass to remove the streaks,
smears, and smudges.
Leon wrote:
> "DS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:9MgCj.74340$yE1.19167@attbi_s21...
>> patrick mitchel wrote:
>>> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080310110857.htm Pat
>> I think it's a great idea! With laser engraving, they could imitate any
>> grain pattern they choose, from piney wood to rare burl.
>
> THEN, what do yo do with it, paint it to look like real wood?
I imagine a stain would do the trick.
It isn't something I'd want to use much, my point is that a more
attractive mdf would be used more in mass produced pieces. And since it
can be made from less desirable wood, it would ease the strain on the
supply of good quality woods.
More good stuff for us.
patrick mitchel wrote:
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080310110857.htm
> Pat
a rose by any other name...
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On Mar 22, 7:14=A0pm, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> The major takeaway for me from Teterboro Airport is that the really
> rich never wear socks! =A0<G>
They use them to stash their money.
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:01:26 -0700, "patrick mitchel"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080310110857.htm Pat
>
this stuff is aimed at the construction industry, not woodworkers! a
LOT of stuff in new homes is painted MDF including trim, mantles and
other decorative items that are paint grade. the woodgrain will add
depth to an otherwise plain surface. Personaly I hate the stuff but it
is a cheaper alternative for contractors and we all know what kind of
cheap bastards they are! :-]> Its cheaper therefore creating a bigger
profit margin.
skeez
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:57:48 GMT, "joe" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>OW! MY EYES!!!!! THE PAIN!
>
>hideous.
Seeing it in person, that's my thought.
Rob mentioned how gloss can work in a kitchen, and I agree with
_wood_, but this stuff is 'orribile!
It'll probably be very lucrative for the builders who are using it and
charging high-end wood prices to the sheep. Fairfield Co., CT, where
I'm seeing it in EVERY showroom window, is the home of everyone in the
'hood driving the same car (latest Rover or MB AWD SUV), going on the
same vacations, but with enough money to hire the private jet for
vacation. The poorer folks drive brand new Tahoes and 3-series
Beemers.
Last fall, I was riding shotgun on some turboprop charter flights,
from Westchester and Teterboro airports, where people where paying
five grand+ to get a four person family to Martha's Vineyard or
Nantucket, a _1_ hour flight, FOR THE WEEKEND. On their personal
schedule, of course!
The major takeaway for me from Teterboro Airport is that the really
rich never wear socks! <G>
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:01:43 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>The more expensive the material is, the more money we make while
>keeping the same percentage of markup. I would love to have batches
>of >>clients<< that weren't so cheap as to complain about the cost of
>using real non finger jointed, premium woods throughout their homes.
The truth!
Another truth is that if it's painted, and not something that'll get
wet, the various composites out there can look nicer, for a lot
longer.
I've seen MDF and wood "paint grade" non-load bearing, non-moving,
trim after it's been installed for quite a while, and the MDF has no
gaps, no warps or cupping, no splits... It looks like the day it was
put in. I've done MDF wainscotting that looks FAR better than the
paint grade pine version after ten years.
The only downside is that MDF is easier to dent, but it takes filler
well at the next painting.
Now, lets talk about veneer substrates...
"Bonehenge (B A R R Y)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> The only downside is that MDF is easier to dent, but it takes filler
> well at the next painting.
Well there is that, and it is H E A V Y. Other than what you mentioned and
the weight, it's kinda fun to work with.
I have a customer that has moved 3 times in the last 12 years. I helped
him reface the kitchen on 2 of the homes and eaxh time he wanted plain flat
doors. I built the doors out of MDF and he spray painted. The next to last
home was built new and had cherry prefab cabinets installed. On his last
khome he went back to the MDF doors. He has the money but wanted "that"
look.
Perhaps I can go with assembled panel MDF doors on a job. The Domino makes
great joints using MDF and my Rotex sander acutally does a great job sanding
MDF if there is a less than perfect joint.
"patrick mitchel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080310110857.htm Pat
>
'rather dull'? A master of understatement, to be sure.
I'm not sure how he translates what looks like white oak in the grainy
picture to, and I quote,
"some of the most espensive wood grains".
Maybe we could all build the mdf furniture first and then take it somewhere
to have 'prettyness' put on it.
I think I'm gonna barf.
Leon wrote:
> "DS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:bazCj.75585$yE1.33575@attbi_s21...
>
>> I imagine a stain would do the trick.
>
> I think then it would look like stained imbossed wood, sorta like fiberglass
> entry doors that have a wood grain faux finish. It's a different look but
> IMHO by no realistic looking. Some siding companies have products that have
> a wood grain appearance and that is better than a flat finish however MDF
> does not do well out doors.
I spent a little time in a furniture store yesterday. I'm appalled at
the prices they're charging for this poorly fitted, ugly finished stuff
they're passing off as furniture.
My sister in law kept saying "ooh, look at the pretty wood grain in this
one..." when what I saw was paper veneer over mdf. Imagine how impressed
she would have been if the "pretty wood grain" had texture, and wasn't
just printed.
>> It isn't something I'd want to use much, my point is that a more
>> attractive mdf would be used more in mass produced pieces. And since it
>> can be made from less desirable wood, it would ease the strain on the
>> supply of good quality woods.
>
> If this eased the demand on more desirable woods, that outld probably just
> mean more wood to go to Japan. They already get the best woods for veneers.
> IMHO this MDF would only repalce or be substituted for MDF that has a flat
> no texture finish. I seriousely doubt it's ability to replace any wood
> product over and above what regular MDF does presently.
So what makes the Japanese so special that they're getting all the good
stuff? I guess they're paying the top prices for it.
As long as we're happy buying paper veneered furniture, I guess that's
what we'll continue to be offered.
DS wrote:
> My sister in law kept saying "ooh, look at the pretty wood grain in
> this one..." when what I saw was paper veneer over mdf.
> As long as we're happy buying paper veneered furniture, I guess
> that's what we'll continue to be offered.
The problem as I see it is that people don't know the difference.
They haven't educated their tastes. They can't see the difference
between good and schlock.
And that is true in all sorts of things, not just furniture. Hell,
look at "prime rib roast"...not one in a hundred people know what it
is.
--
dadiOH
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