For a client:
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShop4017Cabinetry?authkey=Gv1sRgCL_-7tzKtNDffw
(although the cabinet holding the computer is vented, the client decided
against a door (wisely, IMO).
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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> For a client:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShop4017Cabinetry?authkey=Gv1sRgCL_-7tzKtNDffw
>
> (although the cabinet holding the computer is vented, the client decided
> against a door (wisely, IMO).
>
Very nice. Did you do the bookshelves and upper cabinets as well?
Or just built to match them?
"SonomaProducts.com" wrote:
I just use google news group reader to visit this group. The only way
I have found to see the binaries is to do a search on alt.bin...
whatever, which I have to try to remember exactly how to form it and
then I can find a usnet replayer and it seems the images are always
not up to date and quite often contain other unrelated and sometimes
offensive images.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Life gets simple if you sign up with astraweb.com.
Handles binaries straight up.
$10 for 25GB of downloads
I signed up at least 5-6 years ago and have only downloaded 0.7 GB so
chances are you won't break the bank.
Lew
> Is that because you can't access the binary newsgroups? Otherwise, I can=
't=20
>=20
> imagine any other difficulty.
I just use google news group reader to visit this group. The only way I hav=
e found to see the binaries is to do a search on alt.bin... whatever, which=
I have to try to remember exactly how to form it and then I can find a usn=
et replayer and it seems the images are always not up to date and quite oft=
en contain other unrelated and sometimes offensive images.
On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:45:24 AM UTC-5, Swingman wrote:
> For a client:
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShop4017Cabinetry?authkey=Gv1sRgCL_-7tzKtNDffw
You know, I never know if I should be more impressed by your mastery of CAD as is apparent in your drawings, or your work. Both are always top shelf.
It is always great to see your work and honestly, I haven't seen a project of yours I didn't like.
Thanks for posting. Since my company has been in "repairs only" mode for a few years I haven't gotten on the Sketchup wagon like I should have. Maybe when things slow down a bit for the holidays...
Robert
In this life, we tend to get what we pay for. The sad thing is that too many people equate pleasing to the eye with quality and are incapable of looking past the cosmetics to judge the craftsmanship. Finish: Maloof?
Larry
On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:01:19 AM UTC-5, Swingman wrote:
> On 8/27/2013 8:20 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > news:[email protected]...
>
> >> For a client:
>
> >>
>
> >> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShop4017Cabinetry?authkey=Gv1sRgCL_-7tzKtNDffw
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> (although the cabinet holding the computer is vented, the client
>
> >> decided against a door (wisely, IMO).
>
> >>
>
> > Very nice. Did you do the bookshelves and upper cabinets as well?
>
> >
>
> > Or just built to match them?
>
>
>
> Lord no ... that is extremely badly made, built-in cabinetry.
>
>
>
> And that is the reason I went to the trouble of putting the 8 file
>
> drawers in shop built cases, _within_ the bottom built-in "cabinets".
>
>
>
> I did not think the cabinet infrastructure that you can't see will last
>
> long enough, or even take the load of 8 file drawers full of files.
>
>
>
> What your see is typical of the stupid/greedy/give-a-shit builder, and
>
> unskilled, unsupervised, illegal immigrant labor consumers must put up
>
> with when they buy a home these days. Particular house was built about
>
> seven years ago, recently resold for circa $1.1 million, and the
>
> cabinetry throughout is basically nothing but TOTAL shit.
>
>
>
> They are only meant to look good, not work, or stay together for any
>
> length of time.
>
>
>
> Pardon the rant ... just tired of having to work around this crap, and
>
> being outbid by cut rate shitheads who simply don't give a shit.
>
>
>
> Sad ... but what you get in this mollycoddling, progressive, poorly
>
> educated, entitlement culture of ours, where looks trump soundness, and
>
> stupid is epidemic.
>
>
>
> --
>
> eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com
>
> Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net
>
> https://plus.google.com/114902129577517371552/posts
>
> http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/
>
> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
On 8/28/2013 9:00 PM, Bill wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 8/28/2013 10:40 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 06:45:24 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For a client:
>>>>
>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShop4017Cabinetry?authkey=Gv1sRgCL_-7tzKtNDffw
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (although the cabinet holding the computer is vented, the client
>>>> decided
>>>> against a door (wisely, IMO).
>>>
> That is a really big project. I was curious, did you attach the face
> frame with (Festool) biscuits or cut dados? The first approach seems
> like it would be faster, but I'm not sure whether the quality would be
> as consistent (for me). Thanks again for yet another lesson.
>
> Bill
Festool uses Domino floating tenons, not biscuits. ;~)
IIRC Swingman did not build the cabinets rather the file drawer
insert-able cabinets that fit inside the existing cabinets. I believe
everything, the face frames, doors, etc were already there. He build
the file cabinets to fit like they were always there.
Swingman and I generally attach face frames to the carcass of a cabinet
using dado's on the back sides of the face frame. and I generally use a
back face frame also, mounted the same way.
On 8/27/2013 9:01 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 8/27/2013 8:20 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> For a client:
>>>
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShop4017Cabinetry?authkey=Gv1sRgCL_-7tzKtNDffw
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (although the cabinet holding the computer is vented, the client
>>> decided against a door (wisely, IMO).
>>>
>> Very nice. Did you do the bookshelves and upper cabinets as well?
>>
>> Or just built to match them?
>
> Lord no ... that is extremely badly made, built-in cabinetry.
>
> And that is the reason I went to the trouble of putting the 8 file
> drawers in shop built cases, _within_ the bottom built-in "cabinets".
>
> I did not think the cabinet infrastructure that you can't see will last
> long enough, or even take the load of 8 file drawers full of files.
>
> What your see is typical of the stupid/greedy/give-a-shit builder, and
> unskilled, unsupervised, illegal immigrant labor consumers must put up
> with when they buy a home these days. Particular house was built about
> seven years ago, recently resold for circa $1.1 million, and the
> cabinetry throughout is basically nothing but TOTAL shit.
>
> They are only meant to look good, not work, or stay together for any
> length of time.
>
> Pardon the rant ... just tired of having to work around this crap, and
> being outbid by cut rate shitheads who simply don't give a shit.
>
> Sad ... but what you get in this mollycoddling, progressive, poorly
> educated, entitlement culture of ours, where looks trump soundness, and
> stupid is epidemic.
>
I know you were not tickled with having to make great work "fit in' with
shoddy workmanship. And don't take this as any thing but a complement,
it all looks like it was always there. Great job!
Was it the customers decision to have the file cabinet doors swing
together in the center rather than the all swing right or left depending
on the side of the desk that are on? Seems a bit counter productive to
have to ride the chair to the middle of the cabinet and or get up and
walk over to the middle of the file cabinet. The fix would be easy
should he find that function/ease of use is more important than how it
looks.
On 8/27/2013 11:48 AM, Leon wrote:
> Was it the customers decision to have the file cabinet doors swing
> together in the center rather than the all swing right or left depending
> on the side of the desk that are on?
He was given the option ... his wish is my command.
And I was damned glad, because I would had to have broken out the pocket
hole jig to get two of those out of square, toe nailed in, smaller at
the top, move around with your hand, stiles secure enough to hold two
farking doors.
BTW, Happy Birthday, youngster!
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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
On 8/28/2013 10:40 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 06:45:24 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> For a client:
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShop4017Cabinetry?authkey=Gv1sRgCL_-7tzKtNDffw
>>
>> (although the cabinet holding the computer is vented, the client decided
>> against a door (wisely, IMO).
>
>
> Quality work. Good for you.
>
> I will show my ignorance by asking what picture #18 is. I am guessing
> a drawer laying on its side.
>
That is the cabinet carcass that will hold the file drawer. The pieces
of wood on both sides of the slide are there to position it and keep it
in place while attaching it to the sides of the carcass. They are
simply spacers.
On 8/27/2013 10:59 AM, Gramp's shop wrote:
> In this life, we tend to get what we pay for.
For 1.1 million, I personally would expect a damned sight more, myself.
>The sad thing is that too many people equate pleasing to the eye with quality and are incapable of looking past the cosmetics to judge the craftsmanship. Finish: Maloof?
Stain with a tinted Lacquer top coat to please the client's taste.I
I don't color anything, it is well beyond my job description. ;)
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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
On 8/27/2013 8:20 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> For a client:
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShop4017Cabinetry?authkey=Gv1sRgCL_-7tzKtNDffw
>>
>>
>> (although the cabinet holding the computer is vented, the client
>> decided against a door (wisely, IMO).
>>
> Very nice. Did you do the bookshelves and upper cabinets as well?
>
> Or just built to match them?
Lord no ... that is extremely badly made, built-in cabinetry.
And that is the reason I went to the trouble of putting the 8 file
drawers in shop built cases, _within_ the bottom built-in "cabinets".
I did not think the cabinet infrastructure that you can't see will last
long enough, or even take the load of 8 file drawers full of files.
What your see is typical of the stupid/greedy/give-a-shit builder, and
unskilled, unsupervised, illegal immigrant labor consumers must put up
with when they buy a home these days. Particular house was built about
seven years ago, recently resold for circa $1.1 million, and the
cabinetry throughout is basically nothing but TOTAL shit.
They are only meant to look good, not work, or stay together for any
length of time.
Pardon the rant ... just tired of having to work around this crap, and
being outbid by cut rate shitheads who simply don't give a shit.
Sad ... but what you get in this mollycoddling, progressive, poorly
educated, entitlement culture of ours, where looks trump soundness, and
stupid is epidemic.
--
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Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net
https://plus.google.com/114902129577517371552/posts
http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
On 8/27/2013 12:34 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 8/27/2013 11:48 AM, Leon wrote:
>
>> Was it the customers decision to have the file cabinet doors swing
>> together in the center rather than the all swing right or left depending
>> on the side of the desk that are on?
>
> He was given the option ... his wish is my command.
>
> And I was damned glad, because I would had to have broken out the pocket
> hole jig to get two of those out of square, toe nailed in, smaller at
> the top, move around with your hand, stiles secure enough to hold two
> farking doors.
>
> BTW, Happy Birthday, youngster!
>
Well you probably told me that the doors were already there. All the
more reason to leave things alone. ;~)
And thanks on the BD thang!
Swingman wrote:
>
> What your see is typical of the stupid/greedy/give-a-shit builder, and
> unskilled, unsupervised, illegal immigrant labor consumers must put up
> with when they buy a home these days. Particular house was built about
> seven years ago, recently resold for circa $1.1 million, and the
> cabinetry throughout is basically nothing but TOTAL shit.
We don't have much of that up here yet - the illegal immigrant labor part.
We have the give-shit builders and the droppped out of junion high school
"craftsman" (in their own minds), and worst of all - the "good enough -
can't see it from my house" types. I'm not all about going to rediculous
extreems just to say I did something as right as right could possibly be,
but I am about doing things the right way. There can be a few right ways,
and picking one of them is usually good enough for me. But on the other
hand, good enough to get by the casual eye just does not cut it for me.
It makes for one of the things I like about this group. We have guys like
you and Leon and a few others who constantly add to that list of the few
right ways to do things - graduated by "how anal do you want to get...", and
there is good learning in that. It builds the arsenal. But - it also makes
aging minds way more critical of shit work.
>
> They are only meant to look good, not work, or stay together for any
> length of time.
Classic.
>
> Pardon the rant ... just tired of having to work around this crap, and
> being outbid by cut rate shitheads who simply don't give a shit.
Don't beg off the rant. It's well taken. I see it in cars I work on, in
electrical work I do, in refinishing work I do, or in some simple remodeling
things I've undertaken. You are absolutely right - discovering this shit in
the middle of a project only adds to the cost of the project to make it
right enough to move forward. Not necessarily to the profit. Cost is borne
by the contractor.
>
> Sad ... but what you get in this mollycoddling, progressive, poorly
> educated, entitlement culture of ours, where looks trump soundness,
> and stupid is epidemic.
Preach it brother. No... don't... you'll get us both on a rant that won't
end for a while. But - you are spot on!
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Gramp's shop wrote:
> In this life, we tend to get what we pay for. The sad thing is that
> too many people equate pleasing to the eye with quality and are
> incapable of looking past the cosmetics to judge the craftsmanship.
> Finish: Maloof?
I agree and I just added to Karl's rant - fueled his fire a bit. But...
it's really our generation that created this mess. Before anyone talks
about how their sons and daughters are carrying on the value train, think
about it from this perspective... Our generation begat the forsaking of the
traditional values - back in the 60's. We rebelled and all that crap. Some
of that was very good. But... we allowed for the ushering in of new
sociological thinking that has resulted in "make me feel good" values as
opposed to real measurable values. Our kids, and now our grand-kids are the
reflection of that. I guess we didn't have all of the answers. So - the
pendulum continues to swing...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Swingman wrote:
> For a client:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShop4017Cabinetry?authkey=Gv1sRgCL_-7tzKtNDffw
>
>
> (although the cabinet holding the computer is vented, the client
> decided against a door (wisely, IMO).
>
>
Very nice! Is there enough ventilation for the PC to live in the
"cave"? If not, an extra fan may make it possible.
Bill
SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShop4017Cabinetry?authkey=Gv1sRgCL_-7tzKtNDffw
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Thanks for NOT using
> alt.binaries.wood.crap.what.a.hassle.how.do.I.find.it.etc
Is that because you can't access the binary newsgroups? Otherwise, I can't
imagine any other difficulty.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Leon wrote:
> On 8/28/2013 10:40 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 06:45:24 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> For a client:
>>>
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShop4017Cabinetry?authkey=Gv1sRgCL_-7tzKtNDffw
>>>
>>>
>>> (although the cabinet holding the computer is vented, the client
>>> decided
>>> against a door (wisely, IMO).
>>
>>
>> Quality work. Good for you.
>>
>> I will show my ignorance by asking what picture #18 is. I am guessing
>> a drawer laying on its side.
>>
>
>
> That is the cabinet carcass that will hold the file drawer. The
> pieces of wood on both sides of the slide are there to position it and
> keep it in place while attaching it to the sides of the carcass. They
> are simply spacers.
That picture is, by itself, another nice "lesson" in accuracy.
Bill
Leon wrote:
> On 8/28/2013 10:40 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 06:45:24 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> For a client:
>>>
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShop4017Cabinetry?authkey=Gv1sRgCL_-7tzKtNDffw
>>>
>>>
>>> (although the cabinet holding the computer is vented, the client
>>> decided
>>> against a door (wisely, IMO).
>>
That is a really big project. I was curious, did you attach the face
frame with (Festool) biscuits or cut dados? The first approach seems
like it would be faster, but I'm not sure whether the quality would be
as consistent (for me). Thanks again for yet another lesson.
Bill
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 06:45:24 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>For a client:
>
>https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShop4017Cabinetry?authkey=Gv1sRgCL_-7tzKtNDffw
>
>(although the cabinet holding the computer is vented, the client decided
>against a door (wisely, IMO).
Quality work. Good for you.
I will show my ignorance by asking what picture #18 is. I am guessing
a drawer laying on its side.
On 8/27/2013 7:45 AM, Swingman wrote:
> For a client:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShop4017Cabinetry?authkey=Gv1sRgCL_-7tzKtNDffw
>
>
> (although the cabinet holding the computer is vented, the client decided
> against a door (wisely, IMO).
>
>
Karl, that's nice. Who's design? Your's or the clients?
A little dark, but very nice. What is that a mocha stain?
My pref would have been for more room under the desk, but it's not for
me. Looks very functional otherwise.
--
Jeff