I just came from my daughter's school, and for the fifth (yes, fifth) year
in a row she won the science fair and will be moving on to the district
competition in about a month or so. (I don't have the exact date yet.) She
did all of the woodworking by herself except for the table saw cuts, as she
is still too short to safely reach over the saw. I have included for your
pleasure (or mine, if I must be honest) some pictures from my web site.
I think this qualifies as a gloat, or at least a neener.
Glen
http://home.netcom.com/~gkraig/project9.htm
Robert Bonomi wrote:
> Have you found a full shield that is safety rated?
>
> The one _I've_ got states expressly in the directions that safety glasses
> are _also_ required. I'd love to find one -- *affordably* that is -- that
> is also safety rated.
Hrm... That makes two of you. I have to admit I'm guilty of not reading
the directions very carefully. I'll have to do some digging, but for $11,
these things are probably not safety rated, I suppose.
Interesting...
http://www.aosafety.com/diy/html/90028.htm
Professional Faceshield
Tough polycarbonate window is heat resistant
Patented window attachment system
Easy to use adjustment offers custom, secure fit
Quality U.S.A. construction
Protects face and neck against chemical splash and flying particles
Meets ANSI Z87.1-1989 and complies with OSHA requirements for industrial
protective eyewear
*Always wear eye protection when using a faceshield
So it meets ANSI Z87.1-1989 and compiles with OSHA requirements for
industrial protective eyewear, but it isn't "eye protection."
More interesting... Here's this much touted all important ANSI Z87.1-1989
standard that's responsible for defining so many things related to my
safety on and off the job, and I can't look at the standard itself without
paying money to buy a copy from ANSI. WTF? That just doesn't seem right.
Well, anyway, I finally dug up OSHA's rule on the matter...
"Face shields are considered secondary protectors to be used in addition to
primary protection such as safety spectacles or goggles."
Still no really sound explanation for the mechanics of why that is so, but I
surmise that my supposition in the last message is probably close enough to
on target. The "primary protection" is intended to be a failsafe in case
the face shield fails.
Alrighty then, if it's good enough for OSHA, it's good enough for me. I'll
start wearing safety glasses under the face shield. Except for my
daughter, who's face is still too small for the smallest glasses I can
find.
--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
In article <[email protected]>,
Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
>Mike in Idaho wrote:
>
>> Gotta go with Ron on this one. YIKES!! 'bout crawled out of my skin when
>> I
>> saw that. My daughter's too young to handle tools yet, but she likes to
>
>Me three. Kids come in the shop, eyes go on. We put on ears as needed.
>
>Lately I've gotten rid of the safety glasses though. We've discovered
>something much, much better, IMHO. Full-face shields. They fit the kids
>better, and they protect much, much better. It's not too hard for sawdust
>and stray splinters to find their way under regular safety glasses, as
>evinced by the time I had to pay a visit to an opthamologist after a
>weedeater accident while wearing standard issue OSHA safety glasses with
>side shields. Chunk of whatever went up underneath and winged my cornea.
>Luckily it was just a minor scratch.
>
>Face shields are the best $11 I've ever spent on safety gear. They get the
>Silvan Seal of Approval for sure.
Have you found a full shield that is safety rated?
The one _I've_ got states expressly in the directions that safety glasses
are _also_ required. I'd love to find one -- *affordably* that is -- that
is also safety rated.
Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:04:13 -0500, Silvan
> <[email protected]> brought forth from the murky
> depths:
>
>> Alrighty then, if it's good enough for OSHA, it's good
>> enough for me. I'll start wearing safety glasses under the
>> face shield. Except for my daughter, who's face is still
>> too small for the smallest glasses I can find.
>
> Tips to keep you wearing them:
>
> 1) keep them in a felt bag/box whenever they're not on your
> head. Otherwise, they'll get splattered with solvents,
> sawdust, paint, etc. and start getting hazy far too quickly.
>
> 2) clean them: blow them off or rinse them in warm soapy
> water, then dry them with a clean, damp, soft cloth, never
> paper or tissue. Wood-based products will scratch plastic.
One of my self-indulgences has been to keep a spray bottle of
Windex in the shop. It works well on glasses. I have a square of
felt-like micro-fiber material from an optical shop that works
better than anything else I've ever tried...
--
Morris Dovey
West Des Moines, Iowa USA
C links at http://www.iedu.com/c
Read my lips: The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:04:13 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>Alrighty then, if it's good enough for OSHA, it's good enough for me. I'll
>start wearing safety glasses under the face shield. Except for my
>daughter, who's face is still too small for the smallest glasses I can
>find.
Tips to keep you wearing them:
1) keep them in a felt bag/box whenever they're not on your
head. Otherwise, they'll get splattered with solvents, sawdust,
paint, etc. and start getting hazy far too quickly.
2) clean them: blow them off or rinse them in warm soapy water,
then dry them with a clean, damp, soft cloth, never paper or
tissue. Wood-based products will scratch plastic.
--
Impeach 'em ALL!
----------------------------------------------------
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Gotta go with Ron on this one. YIKES!! 'bout crawled out of my skin when I
saw that. My daughter's too young to handle tools yet, but she likes to be
around watching and handing me stuff. First thing I did was get here a set
of Jr. eyeglasses and some earplugs. She even has her own spot on one of my
shelves where her things go. Makes her feel more a part of what I'm doing I
guess.
Nice project by the way, no doubt you're proud as can be :) Keep up the
good work, dad!
Mike
"Ron" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Nice job, but no eye protection and wearing loose clothing?
"Glen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I just came from my daughter's school, and for the fifth (yes, fifth) year
> in a row she won the science fair and will be moving on to the district
> competition in about a month or so. (I don't have the exact date yet.)
She
> did all of the woodworking by herself except for the table saw cuts, as
she
> is still too short to safely reach over the saw. I have included for your
> pleasure (or mine, if I must be honest) some pictures from my web site.
>
> I think this qualifies as a gloat, or at least a neener.
>
Definitely a gloat, but I have to tell you that I shuddered when I saw the
first picture of her using the router table without any safety glasses on.
Frank
That is fantastic Glen and great job by your daughter. My son entered the
science fair 4 years ago and won in district, city, and region. That was in
Houston. It really gets exciting.
"Glen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I just came from my daughter's school, and for the fifth (yes, fifth) year
> in a row she won the science fair and will be moving on to the district
> competition in about a month or so. (I don't have the exact date yet.)
She
> did all of the woodworking by herself except for the table saw cuts, as
she
> is still too short to safely reach over the saw. I have included for your
> pleasure (or mine, if I must be honest) some pictures from my web site.
>
> I think this qualifies as a gloat, or at least a neener.
>
> Glen
>
> http://home.netcom.com/~gkraig/project9.htm
>
>
Nice job, but no eye protection and wearing loose clothing?
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> That is fantastic Glen and great job by your daughter. My son entered the
> science fair 4 years ago and won in district, city, and region. That was
in
> Houston. It really gets exciting.
>
>
> "Glen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I just came from my daughter's school, and for the fifth (yes, fifth)
year
> > in a row she won the science fair and will be moving on to the district
> > competition in about a month or so. (I don't have the exact date yet.)
> She
> > did all of the woodworking by herself except for the table saw cuts, as
> she
> > is still too short to safely reach over the saw. I have included for
your
> > pleasure (or mine, if I must be honest) some pictures from my web site.
> >
> > I think this qualifies as a gloat, or at least a neener.
> >
> > Glen
> >
> > http://home.netcom.com/~gkraig/project9.htm
> >
> >
>
>
Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
> If you use both the glasses AND the face shield, you will be way ahead
> on safety. At my day job, our safety managers tell us that a face
> shield shouldn't be used alone. Safety glasses should be worn
> underneath. However, safety glasses alone would be fine. Depends on
> the situation that you are working in. Standing at a grinder, I would
> wear both. Working around chemicals, I would wear both. What you do in
OK, I'll bite. What possible advantage could I get from wearing both? Just
extra protection in the event that something whacks into the shield hard
enough to compromise it?
I've found that side-shield safety glasses fail at the bottom. If
forehead-to-chin wrap-around face shield has a weakness, it's also at the
bottom. I don't quite follow how having extra protection that's weak in
the same area could afford much extra protection.
I'm not impossible to convince by any means though. I'm just wondering what
the reasoning is here.
> chunk of metal in my eye. That required a trip to the ophthalmologist
> to have fished out. What fun! My kids said I looked like a pirate for
> a few days!
Yeah, what fun indeed. I've had to play pirate twice. Once with the chunk
of mystery material from the weedeater, and another time while crawling
under some pine trees to retrieve a baseball.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
Silvan wrote:
>Mike in Idaho wrote:
>
>
>
>>Gotta go with Ron on this one. YIKES!! 'bout crawled out of my skin when
>>I
>>saw that. My daughter's too young to handle tools yet, but she likes to
>>
>>
>
>Me three. Kids come in the shop, eyes go on. We put on ears as needed.
>
>Lately I've gotten rid of the safety glasses though. We've discovered
>something much, much better, IMHO. Full-face shields. They fit the kids
>better, and they protect much, much better. It's not too hard for sawdust
>and stray splinters to find their way under regular safety glasses, as
>evinced by the time I had to pay a visit to an opthamologist after a
>weedeater accident while wearing standard issue OSHA safety glasses with
>side shields. Chunk of whatever went up underneath and winged my cornea.
>Luckily it was just a minor scratch.
>
>Face shields are the best $11 I've ever spent on safety gear. They get the
>Silvan Seal of Approval for sure.
>
>Anyway, to the OP, good gloat on the science project. Don't get too excited
>about MIT though. I won lots of science fairs, majored in foreign
>languages, and now I'm a truck driver. Go figure.
>
>
If you use both the glasses AND the face shield, you will be way ahead
on safety. At my day job, our safety managers tell us that a face
shield shouldn't be used alone. Safety glasses should be worn
underneath. However, safety glasses alone would be fine. Depends on
the situation that you are working in. Standing at a grinder, I would
wear both. Working around chemicals, I would wear both. What you do in
the privacy of your own home, is your personal choice. You can never be
too safe or too aware! BTW, I too have had the experience of a little
chunk of metal in my eye. That required a trip to the ophthalmologist
to have fished out. What fun! My kids said I looked like a pirate for
a few days!
Silvan wrote:
>Robert Bonomi wrote:
>
>
>
>>Have you found a full shield that is safety rated?
>>
>>The one _I've_ got states expressly in the directions that safety glasses
>>are _also_ required. I'd love to find one -- *affordably* that is -- that
>>is also safety rated.
>>
>>
>
>Hrm... That makes two of you. I have to admit I'm guilty of not reading
>the directions very carefully. I'll have to do some digging, but for $11,
>these things are probably not safety rated, I suppose.
>
>Interesting...
>
>http://www.aosafety.com/diy/html/90028.htm
>
>Professional Faceshield
>
> Tough polycarbonate window is heat resistant
> Patented window attachment system
> Easy to use adjustment offers custom, secure fit
> Quality U.S.A. construction
> Protects face and neck against chemical splash and flying particles
> Meets ANSI Z87.1-1989 and complies with OSHA requirements for industrial
> protective eyewear
>
> *Always wear eye protection when using a faceshield
>
>So it meets ANSI Z87.1-1989 and compiles with OSHA requirements for
>industrial protective eyewear, but it isn't "eye protection."
>
>More interesting... Here's this much touted all important ANSI Z87.1-1989
>standard that's responsible for defining so many things related to my
>safety on and off the job, and I can't look at the standard itself without
>paying money to buy a copy from ANSI. WTF? That just doesn't seem right.
>
>Well, anyway, I finally dug up OSHA's rule on the matter...
>
>"Face shields are considered secondary protectors to be used in addition to
>primary protection such as safety spectacles or goggles."
>
>Still no really sound explanation for the mechanics of why that is so, but I
>surmise that my supposition in the last message is probably close enough to
>on target. The "primary protection" is intended to be a failsafe in case
>the face shield fails.
>
>Alrighty then, if it's good enough for OSHA, it's good enough for me. I'll
>start wearing safety glasses under the face shield. Except for my
>daughter, who's face is still too small for the smallest glasses I can
>find.
>
>
In your daughter's case, a face shield is better than nothing!! Check
out www.uvex.com/skybrites2.html I went to the Uvex site, to the
search engine, typed in "children" and it gave me a press release that
the "Skybrites" versions are made for children and young adults. Boas
are small and tight on my fat head!
www.lindensafety.com/details.cfm?id=34 Child safety with style!
www.elvex.com/child-safety-glasses.htm Maybe you can find her something
that fits?? I hope this helps!
Silvan wrote:
>Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
>
>
>
>>In your daughter's case, a face shield is better than nothing!! Check
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>www.elvex.com/child-safety-glasses.htm Maybe you can find her something
>>that fits?? I hope this helps!
>>
>>
>
>Sure thing... In any case, I'm not too worried about my daughter. She
>isn't tall enough to get into anything that's going to pose a serious
>threat of something poking her in the eye. It's more a matter of
>protecting her from collateral damage and establishing good habits from the
>beginning.
>
>
That's good to hear! Gotta raise 'em right!
Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
> In your daughter's case, a face shield is better than nothing!! Check
> www.elvex.com/child-safety-glasses.htm Maybe you can find her something
> that fits?? I hope this helps!
Sure thing... In any case, I'm not too worried about my daughter. She
isn't tall enough to get into anything that's going to pose a serious
threat of something poking her in the eye. It's more a matter of
protecting her from collateral damage and establishing good habits from the
beginning.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
You wont let her use the TS, but you let her use the JOINTER?
My boss wouldnt let me use the jointer for my first two weeks working for
him, and I'm an adult! ;)
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:01:16 +0000, Glen wrote:
> I just came from my daughter's school, and for the fifth (yes, fifth) year
> in a row she won the science fair and will be moving on to the district
> competition in about a month or so. (I don't have the exact date yet.) She
> did all of the woodworking by herself except for the table saw cuts, as she
> is still too short to safely reach over the saw. I have included for your
> pleasure (or mine, if I must be honest) some pictures from my web site.
>
> I think this qualifies as a gloat, or at least a neener.
>
> Glen
>
> http://home.netcom.com/~gkraig/project9.htm
Mike in Idaho wrote:
> Gotta go with Ron on this one. YIKES!! 'bout crawled out of my skin when
> I
> saw that. My daughter's too young to handle tools yet, but she likes to
Me three. Kids come in the shop, eyes go on. We put on ears as needed.
Lately I've gotten rid of the safety glasses though. We've discovered
something much, much better, IMHO. Full-face shields. They fit the kids
better, and they protect much, much better. It's not too hard for sawdust
and stray splinters to find their way under regular safety glasses, as
evinced by the time I had to pay a visit to an opthamologist after a
weedeater accident while wearing standard issue OSHA safety glasses with
side shields. Chunk of whatever went up underneath and winged my cornea.
Luckily it was just a minor scratch.
Face shields are the best $11 I've ever spent on safety gear. They get the
Silvan Seal of Approval for sure.
Anyway, to the OP, good gloat on the science project. Don't get too excited
about MIT though. I won lots of science fairs, majored in foreign
languages, and now I'm a truck driver. Go figure.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
>I just came from my daughter's school, and for the fifth (yes, fifth) year
>in a row she won the science fair and will be moving on to the district
>competition in about a month or so. (I don't have the exact date yet.) She
>did all of the woodworking by herself except for the table saw cuts, as she
>is still too short to safely reach over the saw. I have included for your
>pleasure (or mine, if I must be honest) some pictures from my web site.
>I think this qualifies as a gloat, or at least a neener.
>http://home.netcom.com/~gkraig/project9.htm
OK, Glenn, I AM jealous!
She will bring MANY good cows when you take her to market in a decade
and a half. They are a pleasure now.
Silvan <[email protected]> writes:
> Except for my daughter, who's face is still too small for the
> smallest glasses I can find.
Have you tried the Dyno-Mites at McFeely's ?
http://store.yahoo.com/squaredrive/sg-0301.html
Glen wrote:
> I just came from my daughter's school, and for the fifth (yes,
> fifth) year in a row she won the science fair and will be
> moving on to the district competition in about a month or so.
> (I don't have the exact date yet.) She did all of the
> woodworking by herself except for the table saw cuts, as she
> is still too short to safely reach over the saw. I have
> included for your pleasure (or mine, if I must be honest) some
> pictures from my web site.
>
> I think this qualifies as a gloat, or at least a neener.
A great gloat for both of you!
--
Morris Dovey
West Des Moines, Iowa USA