Vito Kuhn writes:
>>[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> you and Susan were being pretty obnoxious in
> trying to force changes onto a community that you hadn't, to that
> point, made any real attempt to be a part of, let alone find out if
> those changes were even welcome.
Please don't mislead people who don't know what you're talking about. I
proposed
a "separate" newsgroup, as in NOT THIS GROUP. <<
Vito, go home. I'd say take your marbles and go home, but they're not
your marbles. You were doing all you could to wreck the rec and you
were not successful. People who were here at the time are not happy
with you, almost to a man (or woman). Your excuse about it being a
different group that you proposed is nitpicking bullshit. Your desire
was to destroy rec.woodworking because it was immoral and full of
filth.
Take your concept of Christianity elsewhere, please.
In article <[email protected]>,
<[email protected]> wrote:
>oh, to stay ontopic, is it true they
>still make gorilla glue out of gorillas ? ? ?
Nope. there was too much monkey-business involved.
Rumor mill says the standard version is *not* suited for sniffing,
so they were planning to bring out an ape-ricot flavored variety.
In article <[email protected]>, "Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I don't remember anyone encouraging you to stick around.
>
>Here's one:
>
>> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:27:01 -0800, NAN Team
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> After further consideration, the proponents of
>>> rec.woodworking.all-ages have elected to withdraw their proposal
>>> rather than seek a revote. There will not be a revote, and no
>>> newsgroup will be created.
>
>On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:36:33 +0000, Andy Dingley
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Thankyou Susan and Vito. I sincerely think this is the best result
>> for the newsgroup and its users. I appreciate your action in making
>> this decision.
>>
>>Now, how about showing up in the group and talking about some
>>woodworking ? It's a good group, you'd be very welcome.
>
Hey, Vito, that wasn't an invitation to stick around, so much as it was a
suggestion that you and Susan were being pretty obnoxious in trying to force
changes onto a community that you hadn't, to that point, made any real attempt
to be a part of, let alone find out if those changes were even welcome.
Andy was just too polite to put it that way.
But you were too dense to notice.
>I see that it didn't take long for me to be attacked after doing just that.
>I thought I'd let things cool off for a few months before posting here again,
>but that doesn't seem to have done any good.
<cue sound of approaching ClueTrain>
You're not being "attacked" for "showing up in the group and talking about
some woodworking". That should be obvious, even to the most casual observer,
because you're *not* "talking about woodworking".
<audible whoomp! as ClueTrain strikes some dense object and continues on its
way unimpeded>
You're being attacked for repeating hysterical nonsense that contradicts
established scientific fact.
<cue sound of departing ClueTrain fading into the distance>
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?
In article <[email protected]>, LRod
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Doggonit. Look up the MSDS for acetone. It's cited in at least two
> active threads on the group. Why in heck would you want to give out
> bad advice? Have you no morals?
if this is the real Vito, it has morals exuding from it's pores that it
wants to impose on everyone.
If it isn't the real Vito, then no... it has no morals.
--
"The thing about saying the wrong words is that A, I don't notice it, and B,
sometimes orange water gibbon bucket and plastic." -- Mr. Burrows
In article <[email protected]>, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Genius !
>
> Whoever "Vito" is, I salute you !
Would that then be "Vito and the Salutations"?
Guess I'm giving away my age...
Joe
aka10x
In article <[email protected]>, Vito Kuhn <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Are you forgetting that Susan and I voluntarily pulled our proposal
Nope. I remember your cowardice, refusal to aswer legitimate criticism,
and active non-presence.
I still have Susan's whinging, pleading, self-doubting email that told
me all about you and what a sad case you are. If it's you.
I can forward it to you if you'd like...
--
"You couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full
of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the
clue mating dance." -- Edward Flaherty
In article <[email protected]>, Vito Kuhn <[email protected]>
wrote:
> We answered all cordial queries for information.
That is demonstrably false. You're lying. Again.
> My story is no secret, and yes, my living situation is very sad indeed.
<http://www.babybundlecakes.com/Images/B%20Crying%20Baby.jpg>
--
"You couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full
of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the
clue mating dance." -- Edward Flaherty
In article <[email protected]>, Vito Kuhn <[email protected]>
wrote:
> >That is demonstrably false. You're lying. Again.
>
> No, it is not
LOL!
I shall now leave you to your own world of self-delusion.
--
"You couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full
of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the
clue mating dance." -- Edward Flaherty
On 16 Mar 2005 03:12:02 +0100, Vito Kuhn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> When you do find it and get some on your hands, you can clean it off
>> with acetone.
>
> Doggonit. I see that mischief is alive and well on this forum. Why in heck
> would you want to encourage someone to go do a thing like that? Have you no
> morals?
>
> To Marco: Acetone penetrates the skin and goes right to your liver. Be sure
> to use gloves when working with either Gorilla Glue or acetone.
To Vito: read the freaking MSDS and get back to us. Worst contact hazard
listed is "dries out the skin". I provided the link, or google for
acetone MSDS
yourself.
On 16 Mar 2005 06:45:45 +0100, Vito Kuhn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>
>>if this is the real Vito, it has morals exuding from it's pores that it
>>wants to impose on everyone.
>
> Yep, it's me. Nice to see you again, and thanks for the warm welcome back.
Your perception is flawed.
> Are you forgetting that Susan and I voluntarily pulled our proposal (which
> would not have affected this group at all) just before the second vote was
> called
After the blatantly fraudulent votes were obvious, you mean?
> ... for the sake of the group, and how everyone encouraged me to stick
> around after that? Can't you let sleeping dogs lie?
I don't remember anyone encouraging you to stick around.
> I'm not the only person to ever point out the risks of acetone on this forum,
Read the MSDS. Read OSHA. Get facts instead of repeating bullshit.
> and I most certainly will not be the last. Sure, there are conflicting reports
> out there, but I will err on the side of safety and will encourage others to
> do the same.
Some of us prefer facts to "maybe it might" handwringing.
> I nearly lost my life once. You can bet your bottom dollar that
> I'm going to exercise as much caution as possible in regards to my health.
So you'll worry about things that aren't true, instead of learning what
really is a hazard. That's fine, but don't then spread your assumptions
as truth when they aren't.
It wasn't the same without you here, Vito, really. It was better.
On 16 Mar 2005 17:26:37 +0100, Vito Kuhn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I don't remember anyone encouraging you to stick around.
>
> Here's one:
>
>>Now, how about showing up in the group and talking about some
>>woodworking ? It's a good group, you'd be very welcome.
And your point?
> I see that it didn't take long for me to be attacked after doing just that.
> I thought I'd let things cool off for a few months before posting here again,
> but that doesn't seem to have done any good.
Right, because you're stirring up the same shit you were stirring before.
There's a pattern here, Vito. You pick the most emotionally charged topic
on the board, and stir the pot. Were you planning on talking about
_woodworking_ instead of repeating urban legends about liver hazards that
don't exist?
"Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> To Marco: Acetone penetrates the skin and goes right to your liver. Be
sure
> to use gloves when working with either Gorilla Glue or acetone.
>
Oh lord... we just went through this. Here - take a short cut and read
this.
http://www.bu.edu/es/labsafety/ESMSDSs/MSAcetone.html#anchor888417
It's always better to be informed.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Vito here is a link you may find useful.
>
> You and others might find these links to be useful:
>
> http://www.x-privat.org/link/8863185.html
> http://www.myhelicopters.com/health.htm
>
You're not really serious with these links, are you?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 16 Mar 2005 20:57:07 +0100, Vito Kuhn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>It was somewhere outside Barstow when "Vito Kuhn"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I see that it didn't take long for me to be attacked after doing
>>> just that.
>>
>>But you didn't participate, you trolled.
>
> I answered a question about where to buy Gorilla Glue. Then someone offered
> mischievous advice (which was confirmed by the "chuckle" remark by stoutman),
It was a reference to the ongoing discussion on the topic.
> and I corrected it.
You injected false information based on zero facts into it.
> If you didn't mean what you said at the time, encouraging me to post here,
> then you shouldn't have said it. Maybe you should have said that I could "conditionally"
> post here, but only as long as I don't express my differences of opinion. I
> was really under the impression that you were being sincere, at the time.
Thing is, you can post wherever you want, and people can killfile anyone
they want.
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:40:03 GMT, Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, "Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>>
>>>> I proposed a "separate" newsgroup, as in NOT THIS GROUP.
>>
>>> I'm misleading no-one, Vito. Your statement is at best a partial
>>> truth, and at worst a lie by omission. As you well know, you first
>>> attempted to force moderation on this group.
>>
>>Either you are intentionally lying, or your memory is clouded on the issue.
>
> I beg your pardon. My memory was clouded. This is what happened:
>
> First you tried to create a moderated version of this group. That failed.
A distinction without a real difference, but yes.
> Next you tried to create a "lite" version of this group. That failed too. Both
> times it was thoroughly explained to you that the creation of a second group
> would indeed harm this one.
And both times, Vito didn't bother to actually participate here to
explain to us why we should support his power-trip scheme.
On 16 Mar 2005 21:57:58 +0100, Vito Kuhn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
>> The major point of my post stands: you were trying to force changes
>> upon a community that didn't want them. And that's why your presence
>> here has been about as welcome as a boil.
>
> I think you're trying to spin this to your benefit, taking advantage of the
> fact that most people here know you and don't know me.
But, we _do_ know you, Vito, or enough about you to decide who is more
credible.
> That is unfortunate.
For you, yes.
> I proposed a moderated woodworking forum, SEPARATE from this one. It would
> have had it's own community, a different community, that was whole the point
> of proposing the group.
Which is why you proposed it, and then didn't bother to talk about why
you wanted to do it, here in this group? Avoiding your potential support
base is rarely a way to get them on your side.
> You should take a look at your conscience, Doug. A get the feelin that your
> personal relationship with God is in need of some nurturing.
I think this is more about Doug's perception of you than whatever his
belief system might be.
On 16 Mar 2005 22:09:57 +0100, Vito Kuhn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Maybe if you posted something that indicated that you were paying
>> even the slightest attention to what was going on here you might not
>> have gotten hammered.
>
> This is a big forum with hundred of posts per day. You can't expect everyone
> to read every thread. I wasn't aware that acetone had been brought up recently.
I don't believe that for a second.
On 16 Mar 2005 22:23:03 +0100, Vito Kuhn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Which is why you proposed it, and then didn't bother to talk about why
>> you wanted to do it, here in this group?
>
> News.groups is the appropriate forum for newsgroup creation discussion, not
> here, and it said so right on the proposal. The reason for that is so the conversation
> is kept in one place.
The group of people you're trying to "help" is the group of people who needs
to want to help you if you want their votes. You ignored and avoided us.
Had you not, you would have known of the staggering depth of non-support
for your ideas.
On 16 Mar 2005 23:30:34 +0100, Vito Kuhn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>As a matter of general practice I have a long and fairly public record
>>of not discussing my religion (if any) in a woodworking forum for what
>>I consider the obvious two reasons: it's not on topic, and it's no
>>one's friggin' business.
>
> In other words, you're NOT a practicing Christian. I figured as much.
I don't see him saying that, I see him saying it's not relevant here.
Nor is my attendance record, by the way. Nor is yours.
What is your actual goal in being here, Vito? Be specific. What do you
hope to accomplish? What wisdom can you offer us? Why should we bother
with you?
On 16 Mar 2005 23:47:57 +0100, Vito Kuhn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> What is your actual goal in being here, Vito? Be specific. What do
>> you hope to accomplish? What wisdom can you offer us?
>
> I joined this thread to answer a question. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think
> my answer was helpful.
Your answer was unhelpful, it was spreading your guess as if it was fact.
That guess is demonstrably false. Giving out false health information on
the Internet is, while not unique, certainly not something to be applauded.
> Then I shared a health disclaimer and I was harped on
> like a blue whale.
Because you're wrong.
>> Why should we bother with you?
> Nobody is forcing you to do that. You obviously have a strong dislike for me,
> which is not mutual. There probably isn't anything I could say or do that would
> change your opinion of me.
Maybe if you'd contribute signal rather than noise...
> I said what I had to say about Gorilla Glue and acetone. I'll leave it at that.
If that's the best you can do, I guess that answers my question.
On 17 Mar 2005 03:53:05 +0100, Vito Kuhn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Paul Kierstead <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>He is a troll.
>
> I hate trolls and flamers more than anyone I've ever spoken to. You don't know
> me from a hole in the wall.
We know enough about you to know you walk like a troll, you talk like a troll,
you quack like a troll, and you've been seen eating troll food.
> You're quick to discredit anyone who has a different
> opinion than the mainstream in this forum as a troll,
Not at all, I think Paul is one of the more level-headed people here.
> but life is not that
> simple. You need to have a look at your conscience, and figure out what drives
> you to say such malicious things about decent people.
You have done nothing to indicate you are one of the "decent people" here,
Vito.
On 17 Mar 2005 04:33:51 +0100, Vito Kuhn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, Vito Kuhn <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Are you forgetting that Susan and I voluntarily pulled our proposal
>>
>>Nope. I remember your cowardice, refusal to aswer legitimate criticism,
>>and active non-presence.
>
> We answered all cordial queries for information. We made it clear from the
> beginning that we would not reply to flamers.
You avoided the questions in this group, completely. Your non-presence
was critical in your non-support.
On 17 Mar 2005 04:49:38 +0100, Vito Kuhn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, Vito Kuhn <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> We answered all cordial queries for information.
>>
>>That is demonstrably false. You're lying. Again.
>
> No, it is not, and you're flaming again.
That's not even _close_ to a flame.
> Do yourself a favor and attend church services on Sunday. Maybe then you will
> learn to be less abusive to people less fortunate than you.
It's a shallow mind indeed that ties church attendance to being a good
person.
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:01:49 -0600, Joe Wells <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:31:10 +0000, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>
>> They may, however, "kill file" him themselves or send him plans for a tin
>> foil hat.
>
> Oh, I'm not worried. If he researches the headers of that mail, he'll find
> that the e-mail provider is... me.
I actually had someone complain to my ISP and my upstream once, because
I called them a spammer (they were). Funnily enough, I am my ISP, and
my upstream is a (now former) coworker of mine.
"Marco B" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi guys. I haven't seen Gorilla glue around lately. Are they still
> making the stuff?
You betcha.
> Can't seen to find it.
If you can't find it locally, there's always mail order. Amazon.com sells 8oz
tubs for $12.99, with free shipping if you spend over $25 on your total order.
This other place sells 8oz for $9.99, the cheapest I've seen, but that does
not include shipping:
http://store.yahoo.com/mybestwholesaler/8ozgorillaglue.html
VK
LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
> When you do find it and get some on your hands, you can clean it off
> with acetone.
Doggonit. I see that mischief is alive and well on this forum. Why in heck
would you want to encourage someone to go do a thing like that? Have you no
morals?
To Marco: Acetone penetrates the skin and goes right to your liver. Be sure
to use gloves when working with either Gorilla Glue or acetone.
VK
Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote:
> It was somewhere outside Barstow when "Vito Kuhn"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Doggonit. I see that mischief is alive and well on this forum. Why
>> in heck would you want to encourage someone to go do a thing like
>> that? Have you no morals?
>
> Genius !
Not exactly, just exercising some common sense. I just can't sit back and let
bad advice go by, not when there are health risks involved.
> Whoever "Vito" is, I salute you !
I used to post here a long time ago.
LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
> To Marco: look up the MSDS for acetone. It's cited in at least two
> active threads on the group.
Marco: Here is are some references to the potential of liver damage, when acetone
penetrates the skin.
http://www.x-privat.org/link/8863185.html
http://www.myhelicopters.com/health.htm
VK
"stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Vito here is a link you may find useful.
You and others might find these links to be useful:
http://www.x-privat.org/link/8863185.html
http://www.myhelicopters.com/health.htm
VK
Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>if this is the real Vito, it has morals exuding from it's pores that it
>wants to impose on everyone.
Yep, it's me. Nice to see you again, and thanks for the warm welcome back.
Are you forgetting that Susan and I voluntarily pulled our proposal (which
would not have affected this group at all) just before the second vote was
called ... for the sake of the group, and how everyone encouraged me to stick
around after that? Can't you let sleeping dogs lie?
I'm not the only person to ever point out the risks of acetone on this forum,
and I most certainly will not be the last. Sure, there are conflicting reports
out there, but I will err on the side of safety and will encourage others to
do the same. I nearly lost my life once. You can bet your bottom dollar that
I'm going to exercise as much caution as possible in regards to my health.
VK
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
> I don't remember anyone encouraging you to stick around.
Here's one:
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:27:01 -0800, NAN Team
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> After further consideration, the proponents of
>> rec.woodworking.all-ages have elected to withdraw their proposal
>> rather than seek a revote. There will not be a revote, and no
>> newsgroup will be created.
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:36:33 +0000, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Thankyou Susan and Vito. I sincerely think this is the best result
> for the newsgroup and its users. I appreciate your action in making
> this decision.
>
>Now, how about showing up in the group and talking about some
>woodworking ? It's a good group, you'd be very welcome.
I see that it didn't take long for me to be attacked after doing just that.
I thought I'd let things cool off for a few months before posting here again,
but that doesn't seem to have done any good.
VK
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Say hi to the Strombolis for us.
You didn't read the NAN announcement about that, did you? The Stromboli votes
came from a single university graduate student as part of a research project.
They were not real people.
>> I nearly lost my life once.
>
>Pity you failed.
That was very cold, Mr. Clarke. Be careful what you wish for.
> You're going to die Vito. Get used to it. Life is an incurable and
> invariably fatal disease. SOMETHING will kill you. And unless you
> douse yourself in it and light a match, it's unlikely in the extreme > to
be acetone.
Yes, we will all die. Does that mean that we shouldn't do everything we can
to take care of ourselves while we're alive?
You are not as bothered about my position on acetone as you are by me personally.
This is a personal attack. I'll quote one of the well known regulars on this
forum:
From: "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: Re: Gorilla Glue...Yay or Nay?
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Exposing your skin to acetone is definitely not a swift idea. If you
> are going to use this stuff, use protective clothing, same as
> epoxy.
From: "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: Re: Gorilla Glue...Yay or Nay?
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Definitely not true, you need to do a little more research.
> Acetone components will penetrate the skin, get in the blood stream,
> and ultimately end up in the liver where they take up residence.
> You do not want to go there.
> If you use acetone, at least use protective gloves which can be very
> inexpensive.
Nobody attcked Mr. Hodgett in this manner for expressing the exact same concerns
as I have.
VK
LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
>In another post you complained that Mr. Hodgett had made the same
>claim and didn't get hammered. Well, he is a wreck family regular and
>entitled to a little slack. He'll figure out he's wrong from the
> thread and won't repeat the transgression. You, on the other hand,
> are not a wreck family regular.
That says much about your attitude, which is not very Christian like. I will
pray for you.
VK
Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote:
>It was somewhere outside Barstow when "Vito Kuhn"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I see that it didn't take long for me to be attacked after doing
>> just that.
>
>But you didn't participate, you trolled.
I answered a question about where to buy Gorilla Glue. Then someone offered
mischievous advice (which was confirmed by the "chuckle" remark by stoutman),
and I corrected it.
If you didn't mean what you said at the time, encouraging me to post here,
then you shouldn't have said it. Maybe you should have said that I could "conditionally"
post here, but only as long as I don't express my differences of opinion. I
was really under the impression that you were being sincere, at the time.
VK
[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> you and Susan were being pretty obnoxious in
> trying to force changes onto a community that you hadn't, to that
> point, made any real attempt to be a part of, let alone find out if
> those changes were even welcome.
Please don't mislead people who don't know what you're talking about. I proposed
a "separate" newsgroup, as in NOT THIS GROUP.
VK
[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>>> Say hi to the Strombolis for us.
>>
>> You didn't read the NAN announcement about that, did you? The
>> Stromboli votes came from a single university graduate student as
>> part of a research project.
>
>LMAO
>
>>They were not real people.
>
>You're kidding, right?
No. Are you? Did you actually believe that they were a genuine family?
Here:
http://www.x-privat.org/link/6515701.html
> Can you wonder that the one who posted nonsense *not* knowing it to
> be such was treated more leniently than the one who came after him
> and knowingly posted proven nonsense?
I didn't find Lew's post until after I had posted my two cents about the subject.
VK
VK
[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>> I proposed a "separate" newsgroup, as in NOT THIS GROUP.
> I'm misleading no-one, Vito. Your statement is at best a partial
> truth, and at worst a lie by omission. As you well know, you first
> attempted to force moderation on this group.
Either you are intentionally lying, or your memory is clouded on the issue.
I NEVER proposed moderating THIS GROUP. First of all, that is not allowed.
Second of all, that was never my desire. Please post either a retraction, or
"proof" that I tried to moderate this group.
If any of you reading this know that I never proposed moderating this newsgroup,
I ask you to please be forthcoming and say so. I NEVER tried such a thing,
and I resent being falsely accused of it.
VK
[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> The major point of my post stands: you were trying to force changes
> upon a community that didn't want them. And that's why your presence
> here has been about as welcome as a boil.
I think you're trying to spin this to your benefit, taking advantage of the
fact that most people here know you and don't know me. That is unfortunate.
I proposed a moderated woodworking forum, SEPARATE from this one. It would
have had it's own community, a different community, that was whole the point
of proposing the group.
You should take a look at your conscience, Doug. A get the feelin that your
personal relationship with God is in need of some nurturing.
VK
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Maybe if you posted something that indicated that you were paying
> even the slightest attention to what was going on here you might not
> have gotten hammered.
This is a big forum with hundred of posts per day. You can't expect everyone
to read every thread. I wasn't aware that acetone had been brought up recently.
VK
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
> Which is why you proposed it, and then didn't bother to talk about why
> you wanted to do it, here in this group?
News.groups is the appropriate forum for newsgroup creation discussion, not
here, and it said so right on the proposal. The reason for that is so the conversation
is kept in one place.
VK
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>I don't believe that for a second.
Apparently unlike you, I answer to a higher power. God knows the truth, and
that is all that matters to me.
VK
LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
>As a matter of general practice I have a long and fairly public record
>of not discussing my religion (if any) in a woodworking forum for what
>I consider the obvious two reasons: it's not on topic, and it's no
>one's friggin' business.
In other words, you're NOT a practicing Christian. I figured as much.
I've got news for you, my brother. We're all Christians, even though unfortunately
not all of us are "practicing Christians". There is only one God, and he is
in three parts (The Father, Son and Holy Spirit) and we are all his children.
VK
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
> What is your actual goal in being here, Vito? Be specific. What do
> you hope to accomplish? What wisdom can you offer us?
I joined this thread to answer a question. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think
my answer was helpful. Then I shared a health disclaimer and I was harped on
like a blue whale.
> Why should we bother with you?
Nobody is forcing you to do that. You obviously have a strong dislike for me,
which is not mutual. There probably isn't anything I could say or do that would
change your opinion of me.
I said what I had to say about Gorilla Glue and acetone. I'll leave it at that.
Marco is capable of coming to his own conclusion, I'm sure.
VK
VK
Paul Kierstead <[email protected]> wrote:
>He is a troll.
I hate trolls and flamers more than anyone I've ever spoken to. You don't know
me from a hole in the wall. You're quick to discredit anyone who has a different
opinion than the mainstream in this forum as a troll, but life is not that
simple. You need to have a look at your conscience, and figure out what drives
you to say such malicious things about decent people. God above is watching,
and I don't think he is very pleased with your conduct.
VK
Paul Kierstead <[email protected]> wrote:
>I am quick to discredit anyone whose only contributions create great
>strife.
If you bothered to look, you would see that I was a contributor to this forum
before I had my accident. I came very close to death, and I'm confined to a
wheelchair now. After you experience something like that, you change BIG TIME.
I hope you never have to go through what I went through.
Of course, you don't give squat about my life or my story, and I don't expect
you to. I just wanted to point out that I did used to post here at one time,
and I have made contributions here in the past, contrary to what others are
saying about me.
VK
Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Vito Kuhn <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>> Are you forgetting that Susan and I voluntarily pulled our proposal
>
>Nope. I remember your cowardice, refusal to aswer legitimate criticism,
>and active non-presence.
We answered all cordial queries for information. We made it clear from the
beginning that we would not reply to flamers.
>I still have Susan's whinging, pleading, self-doubting email that told
>me all about you and what a sad case you are. If it's you.
My story is no secret, and yes, my living situation is very sad indeed. If
it makes you feel better to know that I face daily challenges that you will
(hopefully) never know, then so be it.
>I can forward it to you if you'd like...
You already posted it all over usenet, no need. I thought you volunteered to
be a votetaker? That never happened, no surprise either.
VK
Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Vito Kuhn <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>> We answered all cordial queries for information.
>
>That is demonstrably false. You're lying. Again.
No, it is not, and you're flaming again.
>> My story is no secret, and yes, my living situation is very sad
> indeed.
>
><http://www.babybundlecakes.com/Images/B%20Crying%20Baby.jpg>
Do yourself a favor and attend church services on Sunday. Maybe then you will
learn to be less abusive to people less fortunate than you.
VK
Joe Wells <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:03:20 +0100, Vito Kuhn wrote:
>Speaking of a separate group, what ever happened to:
>"There will be a woodworking newsgroup for all ages
>in a new international hierarchy. More information about this will
>surface as it becomes available."
I'm glad you brought that up, I didn't want you to think I was shoving it down
your throat by bringing it up myself.
We are considering two options. Henrietta K. Thomas said that we could create
a group in the us.* hierarchy "us.arts.woodworking". Russ Allbery was also
very helpful by giving us the info needed to start a new hierarchy fam.*, the
group would be "fam.woodworking". There are pros and cons of both options,
and we are weighing both sides very carefully before we make any announcement.
It is a big decision, deciding whether it would be better to be mere newsgroup
moderators, or to take on the responsibility of hierarchy managers.
We admitted that we rushed into the rwa-a proposal, and hadn't considered the
side effects in advance. I think all parties involved agree that it was best
to NOT create THAT group, in the end, and that is what matters. Whatever we
decide to do, the new group will be a woodworking group. There will be rules,
but we're not forcing anyone to post there.
If there happens to be anyone interested in discussing either of these options
further, we could take it to another group or to email, but I'm not going to
spend too much time talking about it here.
VK
Paul Kierstead <[email protected]> wrote:
> If I should choose to believe your advice about acetone was without
> any knowledge of the fuss (which I am a good chunk to blame for),
> then perhaps you are trying to be positive (wrong, you should check
> things more thoroughly, but at least it is positive)
That explains the confusion. No, I honestly hadn't read the thread everyone
is referring to. I was only trying to help. When stoutman posted his <chuckle>
in response to the advice for using acetone on your hands I sensed malice,
as I hadn't caught the inside joke.
> but I find that very hard to believe. So show me that
> you were at least contributing positive things previously. Show me
> the posts; you might even convince some people.
I don't need to convince anyone. I know and God knows.
Posts? Not all of them are archived, but here's some of em, up to the last
post I made before I had the accident.
http://www.x-privat.org/link/883510.html
VK
Joe Wells <[email protected]> wrote:
(erased)
Joe, I don't usually mind if people from usenet email me, but I do mind if
people send me rude and nasty comments. If it tickles you to flame me, it would
be in your best interest to not do it by email. Mail providers take abuse reports
much more seriously than news providers do.
No, I did not report you, just please don't do it again.
VK
In article <[email protected]>, "Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Say hi to the Strombolis for us.
>
>You didn't read the NAN announcement about that, did you? The Stromboli votes
>came from a single university graduate student as part of a research project.
LMAO
>They were not real people.
You're kidding, right?
>
>>> I nearly lost my life once.
>>
>>Pity you failed.
>
>That was very cold, Mr. Clarke. Be careful what you wish for.
>
>> You're going to die Vito. Get used to it. Life is an incurable and
>> invariably fatal disease. SOMETHING will kill you. And unless you
>> douse yourself in it and light a match, it's unlikely in the extreme > to
>be acetone.
>
>Yes, we will all die. Does that mean that we shouldn't do everything we can
>to take care of ourselves while we're alive?
Get some perspective, Vito. Some things are worth worrying about, and some are
not. Eventually, most people learn to tell the difference.
>
>You are not as bothered about my position on acetone as you are by me
> personally.
>This is a personal attack. I'll quote one of the well known regulars on this
>forum:
[snip]
Proves only that he doesn't understand the issue any better than you do. So
what? Nobody doubted that.
>Nobody attcked Mr. Hodgett in this manner for expressing the exact same
> concerns as I have.
Lots of people told him he was dead wrong, and proved it. Now you come along,
repeating the same nonsense that's already been *proven* to be nonsense.
Can you wonder that the one who posted nonsense *not* knowing it to be such
was treated more leniently than the one who came after him and knowingly
posted proven nonsense?
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?
Andy Dingley wrote:
>
> Seems a little odd that you've only ever made two contributions; one
> to impose moderation and one to post misleading safety advice.
>
He is a troll.
I don't know if he is a really really good troll and is doing it on
purpose or just one of those people who were born to be a major pain in
the ass and doesn't even realize it (probably has a persecution
complex), but he is a troll nonetheless; he has all the signs; only
posts inflammatory material and obviously leaves and breathes for the fuss.
PK
It was somewhere outside Barstow when "Vito Kuhn"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> We made it clear from the
>beginning that we would not reply to flamers.
With an interesting definition of "flamers" as "anyone who doesn't bow
down and kiss your ass".
It was somewhere outside Barstow when "Vito Kuhn"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Mail providers take abuse reports
>much more seriously than news providers do.
You really are a pathetic little figure.
What were you like at school ? The class sneak, always running off to
tell teacher ?
In article <[email protected]>, "Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote:
>>It was somewhere outside Barstow when "Vito Kuhn"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I see that it didn't take long for me to be attacked after doing
>>> just that.
>>
>>But you didn't participate, you trolled.
>
>I answered a question about where to buy Gorilla Glue. Then someone offered
>mischievous advice (which was confirmed by the "chuckle" remark by stoutman),
>and I corrected it.
"Corrected it" my foot. You posted the same hysterical nonsense that's already
been thoroughly debunked.
>
>If you didn't mean what you said at the time, encouraging me to post here,
>then you shouldn't have said it. Maybe you should have said that I could
> "conditionally"
>post here, but only as long as I don't express my differences of opinion. I
>was really under the impression that you were being sincere, at the time.
There's a difference between expressing an honest difference of opinion, and
posting hysterical nonsense that's already been *shown* to be hysterical
nonsense. You'll be happier when you figure that difference out.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?
In article <[email protected]>, "Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
>>> I proposed a "separate" newsgroup, as in NOT THIS GROUP.
>
>> I'm misleading no-one, Vito. Your statement is at best a partial
>> truth, and at worst a lie by omission. As you well know, you first
>> attempted to force moderation on this group.
>
>Either you are intentionally lying, or your memory is clouded on the issue.
I beg your pardon. My memory was clouded. This is what happened:
First you tried to create a moderated version of this group. That failed.
Next you tried to create a "lite" version of this group. That failed too. Both
times it was thoroughly explained to you that the creation of a second group
would indeed harm this one.
The major point of my post stands: you were trying to force changes upon a
community that didn't want them. And that's why your presence here has been
about as welcome as a boil.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?
In article <[email protected]>, "Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
>> The major point of my post stands: you were trying to force changes
>> upon a community that didn't want them. And that's why your presence
>> here has been about as welcome as a boil.
>
>I think you're trying to spin this to your benefit, taking advantage of the
>fact that most people here know you and don't know me. That is unfortunate.
>I proposed a moderated woodworking forum, SEPARATE from this one. It would
>have had it's own community, a different community, that was whole the point
>of proposing the group.
How, and why, this community believes that doing so would harm this group has
already been explained to you - thoroughly - and I will not rehash that
explanation here. It comes as no surprise to me that you are paying no more
attention now than you did then.
>
>You should take a look at your conscience, Doug. A get the feelin that your
>personal relationship with God is in need of some nurturing.
Perhaps you could climb down off your high horse long enough to realize that
*all* of us - yourself included - need some nurturing in our personal
relationships with God. "For all men have sinned, and fall short of the glory
of God." Ever read that before?
And perhaps you could pull your head out of your rectum far enough to realize
that the real issue here is *your* behavior and *your* statements.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?
"Marco B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi guys. I haven't seen Gorilla glue around lately. Are they still
> making the stuff? Can't seen to find it.
>
> Marco
I got some from Home Depot just a couple of days ago. Had
my choice of three or four sizes. Went "smallest."
Jim Stuyck
"Never Enough Money" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I can buy it at Lowes. That means Home Depot probably also sells it.
And Woodcraft and Rockler.... If the OP can't find it, he hasn't really
tried.
Jim
> Why are you posting _that_ link and not
Is one any weaker a source of information than the other?
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> stoutman wrote:
>
>> Vito here is a link you may find useful. It does not contain any
>> references to the literature (or citations), but it appears to be written
>> by someone who used a review of the literature:
>>
>> http://www.entheology.org/tips-acetone/acetone.htm
>
> Why are you posting _that_ link and not
> <http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/chemicals/chem_profiles/acetone/health_ace.html>?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When you do find it and get some on your hands, you can clean it off
>>>> with acetone.
>>>
>>> Doggonit. I see that mischief is alive and well on this forum. Why in
>>> heck would you want to encourage someone to go do a thing like that?
>>> Have
>>> you no
>>> morals?
>>>
>>> To Marco: Acetone penetrates the skin and goes right to your liver. Be
>>> sure
>>> to use gloves when working with either Gorilla Glue or acetone.
>>>
>>> VK
>
> --
> --John
> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
"Jim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Never Enough Money" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I can buy it at Lowes. That means Home Depot probably also sells it.
> And Woodcraft and Rockler.... If the OP can't find it, he hasn't really
> tried.
> Jim
>
>
It's sold at Wal Mart too.
Vito Kuhn wrote:
> Paul Kierstead <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>He is a troll.
>
>
> I hate trolls and flamers more than anyone I've ever spoken to. You don't know
> me from a hole in the wall. You're quick to discredit anyone who has a different
> opinion than the mainstream in this forum as a troll, but life is not that
> simple. You need to have a look at your conscience, and figure out what drives
> you to say such malicious things about decent people. God above is watching,
> and I don't think he is very pleased with your conduct.
>
> VK
With any luck God will strike the worst offender with lightning.
I expect that Paul will live a long and fruitful life.
Good night!
--
Will
Occasional Techno-geek
Vito here is a link you may find useful. It does not contain any references
to the literature (or citations), but it appears to be written by someone
who used a review of the literature:
http://www.entheology.org/tips-acetone/acetone.htm
"Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> When you do find it and get some on your hands, you can clean it off
>> with acetone.
>
> Doggonit. I see that mischief is alive and well on this forum. Why in heck
> would you want to encourage someone to go do a thing like that? Have you
> no
> morals?
>
> To Marco: Acetone penetrates the skin and goes right to your liver. Be
> sure
> to use gloves when working with either Gorilla Glue or acetone.
>
> VK
Joe Wells wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:35:39 +0100, Vito Kuhn wrote:
>
>
>>Joe Wells <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>(erased)
>>
>>Joe, I don't usually mind if people from usenet email me, but I do mind if
>>people send me rude and nasty comments. If it tickles you to flame me, it
>>would be in your best interest to not do it by email. Mail providers take
>>abuse reports much more seriously than news providers do.
>>
>>No, I did not report you, just please don't do it again.
>
>
> Gee, thanks. Trust me, anything that I have to say to you will posted
> here. I hit "Reply by e-mail" rather than "Follow up to newsgroup". Once I
> realized my error, I posted the same content here. And if you think that
> was nasty, you're far more delicate than I ever imagined.
Joe,
Not to worry. If he does file an abuse report the ISP will review it
for credibility. Once they see one e-mail - such as yours - in response
to something he posted it will be "case closed."
They may, however, "kill file" him themselves or send him plans for a
tin foil hat.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>Anyway, Vito can piss off as far as I'm concerned. Doug, let's you and
>I go beat up on Toller some more.
ROFL... but that's almost like fishing in a barrel, isn't it?
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?
In article <[email protected]>, "Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> What is your actual goal in being here, Vito? Be specific. What do
>> you hope to accomplish? What wisdom can you offer us?
>
>I joined this thread to answer a question. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think
>my answer was helpful. Then I shared a health disclaimer and I was harped on
>like a blue whale.
You didn't "share a health disclaimer", Vito, you repeated what amounts to an
urban legend.
>
>> Why should we bother with you?
>
>Nobody is forcing you to do that. You obviously have a strong dislike for me,
>which is not mutual. There probably isn't anything I could say or do that would
>change your opinion of me.
Maybe not. If you're interested in changing people's opinions of you, though,
here are a few suggested starting points:
- apologize for your earlier attempts to force new groups on a community that
didn't want them
- admit that you were wrong to do so, and stop trying to justify it
- apologize for ignoring the massive protests that arose at the time
- admit that you posted false, alarmist ravings
- stop trying to defend having done so under the guise of "sharing a health
disclaimer"
- don't post until you have something woodworking-related to say
- invest yourself in developing a more humble and contrite spirit
>I said what I had to say about Gorilla Glue and acetone. I'll leave it at that.
>Marco is capable of coming to his own conclusion, I'm sure.
And Dave, and I, and others, have said what we had to say about you.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?
In article <[email protected]>, "Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>In another post you complained that Mr. Hodgett had made the same
>>claim and didn't get hammered. Well, he is a wreck family regular and
>>entitled to a little slack. He'll figure out he's wrong from the
>> thread and won't repeat the transgression. You, on the other hand,
>> are not a wreck family regular.
>
>That says much about your attitude, which is not very Christian like. I will
>pray for you.
If you'd been paying attention here, Vito, I think you would have seen a
couple of posts in which LRod states clearly that he's not a Christian.
(LRod, my apologies in advance if I have you mixed up with someone else)
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?
On 16 Mar 2005 03:12:02 +0100, "Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> When you do find it and get some on your hands, you can clean it off
>> with acetone.
>
>Doggonit. I see that mischief is alive and well on this forum. Why in heck
>would you want to encourage someone to go do a thing like that? Have you no
>morals?
Doggonit. Look up the MSDS for acetone. It's cited in at least two
active threads on the group. Why in heck would you want to give out
bad advice? Have you no morals?
>To Marco: Acetone penetrates the skin and goes right to your liver. Be sure
>to use gloves when working with either Gorilla Glue or acetone.
To Marco: look up the MSDS for acetone. It's cited in at least two
active threads on the group. And nitrile gloves with the Gorilla Glue
is a good idea whether you use acetone or not.
--
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
On 16 Mar 2005 05:20:37 +0100, "Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> To Marco: look up the MSDS for acetone. It's cited in at least two
>> active threads on the group.
>
>Marco: Here is are some references to the potential of liver damage, when acetone
>penetrates the skin.
>
>http://www.x-privat.org/link/8863185.html
>http://www.myhelicopters.com/health.htm
One site has no authentication whatsoever, and the other site is a
reference to a newsgroup posting of dubious origin. Hardly credible
sources.
I'll stick with the MSDS. Again, look it up.
--
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
Vito Kuhn wrote:
> Paul Kierstead <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>He is a troll.
>
>
> I hate trolls and flamers more than anyone I've ever spoken to. You don't know
> me from a hole in the wall. You're quick to discredit anyone who has a different
> opinion than the mainstream in this forum as a troll, but life is not that
> simple.
I am quick to discredit anyone whose only contributions create great
strife. I don't care what their opinion is. You mistake me for someone
who gives a shit about what you believe. I care about what you do; what
think is your business.
> God above is watching,
> and I don't think he is very pleased with your conduct.
Ah, well then, the feeling is mutual (*)
PK
(*) Not true of course, it was just a clever thing to say. God's opinion
of me is irrelevant, it is you were are speaking of. What is your excuse
for your *actions*?
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:13:44 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, "Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>In another post you complained that Mr. Hodgett had made the same
>>>claim and didn't get hammered. Well, he is a wreck family regular and
>>>entitled to a little slack. He'll figure out he's wrong from the
>>> thread and won't repeat the transgression. You, on the other hand,
>>> are not a wreck family regular.
>>
>>That says much about your attitude, which is not very Christian like. I will
>>pray for you.
>
>If you'd been paying attention here, Vito, I think you would have seen a
>couple of posts in which LRod states clearly that he's not a Christian.
>
>(LRod, my apologies in advance if I have you mixed up with someone else)
No offense taken, Doug, however, I sort of doubt that I ever came
right out and said that, for a variety of reasons. For example, people
like Vito become downright abusive when one does say that; even calmer
and more rational but still prosletyzing x-tians get quite agitated
when one does say that; mainstream people who prefer to keep their
religion a private matter (as it should be, in my opinion) get a
little uncomfortable when one does say that.
As a matter of general practice I have a long and fairly public record
of not discussing my religion (if any) in a woodworking forum for what
I consider the obvious two reasons: it's not on topic, and it's no
one's friggin' business.
All of that said, I pride myself on my morality and ethics which are
pretty generally in line with those of christianity (as well as most
major religions), so the insult would not be from you, Doug, for
having possibly misinterpreted something I may have said, but from
Vito for not only being judgemental but for making assumptions about
someone whom he has never met nor exchanged discourse with.
Anyway, Vito can piss off as far as I'm concerned. Doug, let's you and
I go beat up on Toller some more.
--
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
Vito Kuhn wrote:
> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>I don't believe that for a second.
>
>
> Apparently unlike you, I answer to a higher power. God knows the truth, and
> that is all that matters to me.
>
> VK
Then perhaps you should commune with him immediately -- and forsake this
place.
--
Will
Occasional Techno-geek
stoutman wrote:
> Vito here is a link you may find useful. It does not contain any
> references to the literature (or citations), but it appears to be written
> by someone who used a review of the literature:
>
> http://www.entheology.org/tips-acetone/acetone.htm
Why are you posting _that_ link and not
<http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/chemicals/chem_profiles/acetone/health_ace.html>?
>
>
>
> "Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> When you do find it and get some on your hands, you can clean it off
>>> with acetone.
>>
>> Doggonit. I see that mischief is alive and well on this forum. Why in
>> heck would you want to encourage someone to go do a thing like that? Have
>> you no
>> morals?
>>
>> To Marco: Acetone penetrates the skin and goes right to your liver. Be
>> sure
>> to use gloves when working with either Gorilla Glue or acetone.
>>
>> VK
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Vito Kuhn wrote:
>
> LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> To Marco: look up the MSDS for acetone. It's cited in at least two
>> active threads on the group.
>
> Marco: Here is are some references to the potential of liver damage, when
> acetone penetrates the skin.
>
> http://www.x-privat.org/link/8863185.html
> http://www.myhelicopters.com/health.htm
So we have one page from what appears to be an econut site and another that
quotes some guy posting on USENET. Neither even attempts to substantiate
their claim and neither has any kind of credibility.
Try
<http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/chemicals/chem_profiles/acetone/health_ace.html>.
> VK
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Vito Kuhn wrote:
>
> "stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Vito here is a link you may find useful.
>
> You and others might find these links to be useful:
>
> http://www.x-privat.org/link/8863185.html
> http://www.myhelicopters.com/health.htm
Repeating that over and over does not make it credible.
>
> VK
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Vito Kuhn wrote:
>
> Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>
>>if this is the real Vito, it has morals exuding from it's pores that it
>>wants to impose on everyone.
>
> Yep, it's me. Nice to see you again, and thanks for the warm welcome back.
> Are you forgetting that Susan and I voluntarily pulled our proposal (which
> would not have affected this group at all) just before the second vote was
> called ... for the sake of the group,
Yeah, right. For the sake of not looking like an even bigger asshole than
you do already. Say hi to the Strombolis for us.
> and how everyone encouraged me to
> stick around after that? Can't you let sleeping dogs lie?
I'm annoyed with the dog because he's sleeping and not chasing you down the
lane.
> I'm not the only person to ever point out the risks of acetone on this
> forum, and I most certainly will not be the last. Sure, there are
> conflicting reports out there, but I will err on the side of safety and
> will encourage others to do the same. I nearly lost my life once.
Pity you failed.
> You can
> bet your bottom dollar that I'm going to exercise as much caution as
> possible in regards to my health.
Yeah, my mother did that. The day that she was diagnosed with terminal
cancer she started doing all the stuff that her doctors had been telling
her not to do and she was annoyed with herself because she had bothered to
listen to them.
You're going to die Vito. Get used to it. Life is an incurable and
invariably fatal disease. SOMETHING will kill you. And unless you douse
yourself in it and light a match, it's unlikely in the extreme to be
acetone.
If you think it's dangerous, convince the EPA and OSHA of that. If you've
got good reason to believe this then it shouldn't be hard. If all you have
is some guy ranting on USENET and some page that somebody clearly pulled
out of his ass then you're not going to get very far.
> VK
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stoutman wrote:
>> Why are you posting _that_ link and not
>
> Is one any weaker a source of information than the other?
I just find it interesting that after shouting "ENTHEOLOGY" so often you
instead of linking the Canadian Government site that has links to much
additional information choose to post the entheology link that does not.
As for being "weaker" source, I would say that a page posted on an
"entheology" site is, in the absence of other information, less credible
than one posted on the site of a Canadian government agency charged with
Occupational Safety and Health, even if the content is identical.
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> stoutman wrote:
>>
>>> Vito here is a link you may find useful. It does not contain any
>>> references to the literature (or citations), but it appears to be
>>> written by someone who used a review of the literature:
>>>
>>> http://www.entheology.org/tips-acetone/acetone.htm
>>
>> Why are you posting _that_ link and not
>>
<http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/chemicals/chem_profiles/acetone/health_ace.html>?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When you do find it and get some on your hands, you can clean it off
>>>>> with acetone.
>>>>
>>>> Doggonit. I see that mischief is alive and well on this forum. Why in
>>>> heck would you want to encourage someone to go do a thing like that?
>>>> Have
>>>> you no
>>>> morals?
>>>>
>>>> To Marco: Acetone penetrates the skin and goes right to your liver. Be
>>>> sure
>>>> to use gloves when working with either Gorilla Glue or acetone.
>>>>
>>>> VK
>>
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Vito Kuhn wrote:
>
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Say hi to the Strombolis for us.
>
> You didn't read the NAN announcement about that, did you? The Stromboli
> votes came from a single university graduate student as part of a research
> project. They were not real people.
No shit, Sherlock?
>>> I nearly lost my life once.
>>
>>Pity you failed.
>
> That was very cold, Mr. Clarke. Be careful what you wish for.
I am.
>> You're going to die Vito. Get used to it. Life is an incurable and
>> invariably fatal disease. SOMETHING will kill you. And unless you
>> douse yourself in it and light a match, it's unlikely in the extreme > to
> be acetone.
>
> Yes, we will all die. Does that mean that we shouldn't do everything we
> can to take care of ourselves while we're alive?
Taking care of ourselves and being afraid of our own shadows are two
different things. Your whining about the dangers of acetone has no basis
in objective reality. It is mere alarmism.
> You are not as bothered about my position on acetone as you are by me
> personally. This is a personal attack.
Figured that out all by yourself did you?
> I'll quote one of the well known
> regulars on this forum:
> From: "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]>
> Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
> Subject: Re: Gorilla Glue...Yay or Nay?
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>> Exposing your skin to acetone is definitely not a swift idea. If you
>> are going to use this stuff, use protective clothing, same as
>> epoxy.
>
> From: "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]>
> Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
> Subject: Re: Gorilla Glue...Yay or Nay?
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>> Definitely not true, you need to do a little more research.
>> Acetone components will penetrate the skin, get in the blood stream,
>> and ultimately end up in the liver where they take up residence.
>> You do not want to go there.
>> If you use acetone, at least use protective gloves which can be very
>> inexpensive.
>
> Nobody attcked Mr. Hodgett in this manner for expressing the exact same
> concerns as I have.
Well, you see, we _like_ Mr. Hodgett.
> VK
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Vito Kuhn wrote:
>
> Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>It was somewhere outside Barstow when "Vito Kuhn"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I see that it didn't take long for me to be attacked after doing
>>> just that.
>>
>>But you didn't participate, you trolled.
>
> I answered a question about where to buy Gorilla Glue. Then someone
> offered mischievous advice (which was confirmed by the "chuckle" remark by
> stoutman), and I corrected it.
>
> If you didn't mean what you said at the time, encouraging me to post here,
> then you shouldn't have said it. Maybe you should have said that I could
> "conditionally" post here, but only as long as I don't express my
> differences of opinion. I was really under the impression that you were
> being sincere, at the time.
Maybe if you posted something that indicated that you were paying even the
slightest attention to what was going on here you might not have gotten
hammered.
Considering that your post echoed one that had just brought about a long and
acrimonious discussion in which your claim was thoroughly debunked, and
given your past behavior, the logical conclusion is that your intent was
not to inform but to disrupt.
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Vito Kuhn wrote:
>
> [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
>> The major point of my post stands: you were trying to force changes
>> upon a community that didn't want them. And that's why your presence
>> here has been about as welcome as a boil.
>
> I think you're trying to spin this to your benefit, taking advantage of
> the fact that most people here know you and don't know me. That is
> unfortunate. I proposed a moderated woodworking forum, SEPARATE from this
> one. It would have had it's own community, a different community, that was
> whole the point of proposing the group.
>
> You should take a look at your conscience, Doug. A get the feelin that
> your personal relationship with God is in need of some nurturing.
Perhaps if relationships with God are of importance to you you should look
to your own and let Doug worry about his.
How do you know that that's God and not Satan that you have a relationship
with, anyway?
> VK
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Vito Kuhn wrote:
>
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Maybe if you posted something that indicated that you were paying
>> even the slightest attention to what was going on here you might not
>> have gotten hammered.
>
> This is a big forum with hundred of posts per day. You can't expect
> everyone to read every thread. I wasn't aware that acetone had been
> brought up recently.
If you aren't sufficiently interested in the content to at least look at
most of the threads then why are you here?
> VK
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Vito Kuhn wrote:
>
> LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>As a matter of general practice I have a long and fairly public record
>>of not discussing my religion (if any) in a woodworking forum for what
>>I consider the obvious two reasons: it's not on topic, and it's no
>>one's friggin' business.
>
> In other words, you're NOT a practicing Christian. I figured as much.
>
> I've got news for you, my brother. We're all Christians, even though
> unfortunately not all of us are "practicing Christians". There is only one
> God, and he is in three parts (The Father, Son and Holy Spirit) and we are
> all his children.
Sez you. Prove it.
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LRod wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2005 23:30:34 +0100, "Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>As a matter of general practice I have a long and fairly public record
>>>of not discussing my religion (if any) in a woodworking forum for what
>>>I consider the obvious two reasons: it's not on topic, and it's no
>>>one's friggin' business.
>>
>>In other words, you're NOT a practicing Christian. I figured as much.
>>
>>I've got news for you, my brother. We're all Christians, even though
>>unfortunately not all of us are "practicing Christians". There is only one
>>God, and he is in three parts (The Father, Son and Holy Spirit) and we are
>>all his children.
>
> A) I am not your brother. I wouldn't want to be.
>
> 2) What a sanctimoinious, bigoted prick you are. Tell me, how did you
> come to the conclusion that there is only one god? I find it utterly
> astounding, and highly amusing that people like you think they are so
> special (and that their god is so merciless) that they are perfectly
> willing to accept that the vast majority of the world's people (and
> all born before 2000 years ago) are consigned to eternal damnation
> because they don't worship your particular deity.
He's even worse than that. If I read him correctly then in his book Osama
Bin Laden is a Christian, albeit not a "practicing" one. I do wish that
he'd track down Osama and tell him that to his face though.
> And don't bother to pray for me. I'm doing just fine, thank you.
> You're the one that needs work. You should confine your energies to
> that monumental project.
>
> In fact, don't even respond to me. You have nothing to say that I'm
> interested in hearing.
>
> But I bet you will try anyway.
>
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Vito Kuhn wrote:
>
> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> What is your actual goal in being here, Vito? Be specific. What do
>> you hope to accomplish? What wisdom can you offer us?
>
> I joined this thread to answer a question. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I
> think my answer was helpful. Then I shared a health disclaimer and I was
> harped on like a blue whale.
>
>> Why should we bother with you?
>
> Nobody is forcing you to do that. You obviously have a strong dislike for
> me, which is not mutual. There probably isn't anything I could say or do
> that would change your opinion of me.
>
> I said what I had to say about Gorilla Glue and acetone. I'll leave it at
> that. Marco is capable of coming to his own conclusion, I'm sure.
Have you ever made anything out of wood? Anything at all?
> VK
>
> VK
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Vito Kuhn wrote:
>
> Paul Kierstead <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>He is a troll.
>
> I hate trolls and flamers more than anyone I've ever spoken to. You don't
> know me from a hole in the wall.
Trolls are known from their behavior. If you don't wish to be thought a
troll then don't act the part. What have you made out of wood lately
anyway?
> You're quick to discredit anyone who has
> a different opinion than the mainstream in this forum as a troll, but life
> is not that simple.
No, we're just quick to discredit you because you're an obnoxious pest.
> You need to have a look at your conscience, and figure
> out what drives you to say such malicious things about decent people.
What malicious things has he said about "decent people"? Hint--you don't
count as "decent people".
> God
> above is watching, and I don't think he is very pleased with your conduct.
Coming from you, that's a laugh.
> VK
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Vito Kuhn wrote:
>
> Paul Kierstead <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I am quick to discredit anyone whose only contributions create great
>>strife.
>
> If you bothered to look, you would see that I was a contributor to this
> forum before I had my accident. I came very close to death, and I'm
> confined to a wheelchair now. After you experience something like that,
> you change BIG TIME. I hope you never have to go through what I went
> through.
In your case it seems to have changed you into an asshole. Assuming of
course that you weren't already.
> Of course, you don't give squat about my life or my story, and I don't
> expect you to. I just wanted to point out that I did used to post here at
> one time, and I have made contributions here in the past, contrary to what
> others are saying about me.
Care to provide links to some of these posts? And what have you made out of
wood lately?
>
> VK
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Vito Kuhn wrote:
>
> Joe Wells <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> (erased)
>
> Joe, I don't usually mind if people from usenet email me, but I do mind if
> people send me rude and nasty comments. If it tickles you to flame me, it
> would be in your best interest to not do it by email. Mail providers take
> abuse reports much more seriously than news providers do.
>
> No, I did not report you, just please don't do it again.
There is only one reasonable response to a post such as that.
<plonk>
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In article <[email protected]>, "Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
>>>> Say hi to the Strombolis for us.
>>>
>>> You didn't read the NAN announcement about that, did you? The
>>> Stromboli votes came from a single university graduate student as
>>> part of a research project.
>>
>>LMAO
>>
>>>They were not real people.
>>
>>You're kidding, right?
>
>No. Are you? Did you actually believe that they were a genuine family?
Of course not. That was sarcasm. Don't you have *any* sense of humor?
>
Odd that all of those votes favored your misguided proposal. I'm sure that was
just a coincidence.
<note: that was sarcasm too, Vito>
>> Can you wonder that the one who posted nonsense *not* knowing it to
>> be such was treated more leniently than the one who came after him
>> and knowingly posted proven nonsense?
>
>I didn't find Lew's post until after I had posted my two cents about the
> subject.
Uh-huh. Guess you hadn't been reading the group too much lately, eh?
Problem is, Vito, you wore out your welcome here a *long* time ago with your
heavy-handed attempts to force change on a community that was, with only a few
exceptions, pretty well content with the way things were. No attempt at
debate or persuasion, you just barged in and tried to push your vision of the
way things ought to be on a bunch of people who neither shared, nor wanted,
that vision. Then you disappeared, in a snit, with your nose out of joint,
because we didn't immediately fall down at your feet in gratitude for your
selfless action in saving us from ourselves.
And now you wonder why you're not welcomed back with open arms.
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And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?
On 16 Mar 2005 05:20:37 +0100, "Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> To Marco: look up the MSDS for acetone. It's cited in at least two
>> active threads on the group.
>
>Marco: Here is are some references to the potential of liver damage, when acetone
>penetrates the skin.
>
>http://www.x-privat.org/link/8863185.html
>http://www.myhelicopters.com/health.htm
I call your anecdotal, urban legend sites and raise you two sites with
a little bit better bonafides:
http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0128.htm
http://risk.lsd.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/acetone.shtml
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It was somewhere outside Barstow when "Vito Kuhn"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Do yourself a favor and attend church services on Sunday. Maybe then you will
>learn to be less abusive to people less fortunate than you.
Last time I was at a church service was in Northern Ireland. It's no
wonder that I'm less than impressed by the fake moral superiority and
outright bigotry that so many christians demonstrate.
It was somewhere outside Barstow when "Vito Kuhn"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I see that it didn't take long for me to be attacked after doing just that.
But you didn't participate, you trolled.
On 16 Mar 2005 06:45:45 +0100, "Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>
>>if this is the real Vito, it has morals exuding from it's pores that it
>>wants to impose on everyone.
>
>Yep, it's me. Nice to see you again, and thanks for the warm welcome back.
>Are you forgetting that Susan and I voluntarily pulled our proposal
No, I haven't forgotten one whit of the entire sorry episode.
>(which would not have affected this group at all)
Nonsense. It was explained to you by many wreckers just exactly how it
could potentially have affected it. You chose not to respond to any of
it. You chose not to explain how you proposed to moderate things. You
chose not to participate in the process at all except to start it and
end it. Congratulations.
>just before the second vote was called ... for the sake of the group,
Please. If it had been for the sake of the group you would never have
gone past the RFC stage when almost overwhelming sentiment was against
the idea. Especially against it when you refused to offer any thoughts
on how the moderation would work.
>and how everyone encouraged me to stick around after that?
Well you offered one example of one of our true gentleman here
extending his hand. It was far from a universal sentiment. I for one
took your proposal as an attack on my place of refuge and am not a
particularly forgiving person in such cases. So my disinclination to
"encourage you to stick around" gives the lie to the "everyone" you
allege.
Shoot, you weren't around much before the debacle and this is your
first appearance since, so I don't see that you are much of a
contributor in any event.
In another post you complained that Mr. Hodgett had made the same
claim and didn't get hammered. Well, he is a wreck family regular and
entitled to a little slack. He'll figure out he's wrong from the
thread and won't repeat the transgression. You, on the other hand, are
not a wreck family regular. In fact, you're two for two in stirring up
shit.
>Can't you let sleeping dogs lie?
Not when the dogs are spouting BS. I don't think this group is for
you.
>I'm not the only person to ever point out the risks of acetone on this forum,
>and I most certainly will not be the last. Sure, there are conflicting reports
>out there,
No, there are official reports and then there are unsubstantiated
scare allegations. You chose to promulgate the false allegations. You
live by the sword, you die by the sword.
>but I will err on the side of safety and will encourage others to
>do the same. I nearly lost my life once. You can bet your bottom dollar that
>I'm going to exercise as much caution as possible in regards to my health.
I'm guessing you ground your PVC dust collection system. Same Chicken
Little nonsense.
--
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It was somewhere outside Barstow when <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Whoever "Vito" is, I salute you !
>
>I used to post here a long time ago.
Oh - you're the _real_ Vito - the control freak.
In that case, please stop posting this alarmist rubbish and crawl back
under your rock.
It was somewhere outside Barstow when "Vito Kuhn"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Doggonit. I see that mischief is alive and well on this forum. Why in heck
>would you want to encourage someone to go do a thing like that? Have you no
>morals?
Genius !
Whoever "Vito" is, I salute you !
On 16 Mar 2005 23:30:34 +0100, "Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>As a matter of general practice I have a long and fairly public record
>>of not discussing my religion (if any) in a woodworking forum for what
>>I consider the obvious two reasons: it's not on topic, and it's no
>>one's friggin' business.
>
>In other words, you're NOT a practicing Christian. I figured as much.
>
>I've got news for you, my brother. We're all Christians, even though unfortunately
>not all of us are "practicing Christians". There is only one God, and he is
>in three parts (The Father, Son and Holy Spirit) and we are all his children.
A) I am not your brother. I wouldn't want to be.
2) What a sanctimoinious, bigoted prick you are. Tell me, how did you
come to the conclusion that there is only one god? I find it utterly
astounding, and highly amusing that people like you think they are so
special (and that their god is so merciless) that they are perfectly
willing to accept that the vast majority of the world's people (and
all born before 2000 years ago) are consigned to eternal damnation
because they don't worship your particular deity.
And don't bother to pray for me. I'm doing just fine, thank you.
You're the one that needs work. You should confine your energies to
that monumental project.
In fact, don't even respond to me. You have nothing to say that I'm
interested in hearing.
But I bet you will try anyway.
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In article <[email protected]>, "Marco B" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Gee! I asked pretty simple question. I didn't mean to start a holy
>war! Sorry guys. I don't have time to read all 100 posts tonight, but
>thanks for the replies.
Hey, Marco, it's not your fault that one of the Wreck's Top Ten All-Time Pains
in the Arse jumped into a thread that you started. Nobody's blaming you for
Vito's nonsense. We've some history with that boy, you see, and as I said to
him yesterday, he's about as welcome here as a boil.
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LRod wrote:
> A) I am not your brother. I wouldn't want to be.
>
> 2) What a sanctimoinious, bigoted prick you are. Tell me, how did you
> come to the conclusion that there is only one god? I find it utterly
> astounding, and highly amusing that people like you think they are so
> special (and that their god is so merciless) that they are perfectly
> willing to accept that the vast majority of the world's people (and
> all born before 2000 years ago) are consigned to eternal damnation
> because they don't worship your particular deity.
>
> And don't bother to pray for me. I'm doing just fine, thank you.
> You're the one that needs work. You should confine your energies to
> that monumental project.
Gee! I asked pretty simple question. I didn't mean to start a holy
war! Sorry guys. I don't have time to read all 100 posts tonight, but
thanks for the replies.
Marco
On 17 Mar 2005 16:08:15 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 17 Mar 2005 04:49:38 +0100, Vito Kuhn <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>, Vito Kuhn <[email protected]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> We answered all cordial queries for information.
>>>
>>>That is demonstrably false. You're lying. Again.
>>
>> No, it is not, and you're flaming again.
>
>That's not even _close_ to a flame.
>
>> Do yourself a favor and attend church services on Sunday. Maybe then you will
>> learn to be less abusive to people less fortunate than you.
>
>It's a shallow mind indeed that ties church attendance to being a good
>person.
Did you ever notice how often people who proclaim the loudest about
being christians act the least like christians?
Vito is the poster boy of that phenomenon.
--
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:03:20 +0100, Vito Kuhn wrote:
>
> [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
>> you and Susan were being pretty obnoxious in trying to force changes
>> onto a community that you hadn't, to that point, made any real attempt
>> to be a part of, let alone find out if those changes were even welcome.
>
> Please don't mislead people who don't know what you're talking about. I
> proposed a "separate" newsgroup, as in NOT THIS GROUP.
Speaking of a separate group, what ever happened to:
"There will be a woodworking newsgroup for all ages
in a new international hierarchy. More information about this will
surface as it becomes available."
Why, I thought that you'd be so busy care-taking your own little slice of
Usenet, that you'd have forgotten we poor sinners at the wReck. Good thing
that you showed up to remind me why I detest moralists.
--
Joe Wells
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:06:48 +0100, Vito Kuhn wrote:
> Joe Wells <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:03:20 +0100, Vito Kuhn wrote:
>
>>Speaking of a separate group, what ever happened to: "There will be a
>>woodworking newsgroup for all ages in a new international hierarchy.
>>More information about this will surface as it becomes available."
>
<...>
>
> We are considering two options.
If you're considering starting your own ng, shouldn't you be spending your
limited energy on that? You like to repeat how tough your life is and how
difficult things are for you. Why are you burning your precious time here?
You could be talking to your own echo by now.
--
Joe Wells
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:35:39 +0100, Vito Kuhn wrote:
>
> Joe Wells <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> (erased)
>
> Joe, I don't usually mind if people from usenet email me, but I do mind if
> people send me rude and nasty comments. If it tickles you to flame me, it
> would be in your best interest to not do it by email. Mail providers take
> abuse reports much more seriously than news providers do.
>
> No, I did not report you, just please don't do it again.
Gee, thanks. Trust me, anything that I have to say to you will posted
here. I hit "Reply by e-mail" rather than "Follow up to newsgroup". Once I
realized my error, I posted the same content here. And if you think that
was nasty, you're far more delicate than I ever imagined.
--
Joe Wells
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:31:10 +0000, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> Joe Wells wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:35:39 +0100, Vito Kuhn wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Joe Wells <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>(erased)
>>>
>>>Joe, I don't usually mind if people from usenet email me, but I do mind
>>>if people send me rude and nasty comments. If it tickles you to flame
>>>me, it would be in your best interest to not do it by email. Mail
>>>providers take abuse reports much more seriously than news providers do.
>>>
>>>No, I did not report you, just please don't do it again.
>>
>>
>> Gee, thanks. Trust me, anything that I have to say to you will posted
>> here. I hit "Reply by e-mail" rather than "Follow up to newsgroup". Once
>> I realized my error, I posted the same content here. And if you think
>> that was nasty, you're far more delicate than I ever imagined.
>
> Joe,
> Not to worry. If he does file an abuse report the ISP will review it for
> credibility. Once they see one e-mail - such as yours - in response to
> something he posted it will be "case closed."
>
> They may, however, "kill file" him themselves or send him plans for a tin
> foil hat.
Oh, I'm not worried. If he researches the headers of that mail, he'll find
that the e-mail provider is... me.
--
Joe Wells
Chuckle. :)
"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:49:53 +0000 (UTC), "Marco B"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Hi guys. I haven't seen Gorilla glue around lately. Are they still
>>making the stuff? Can't seen to find it.
>
> When you do find it and get some on your hands, you can clean it off
> with acetone.
>
> --
> LRod
>
> Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
>
> Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
>
> http://www.woodbutcher.net
Is this a joke?
Here we go again! Hold on tight.
"Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> LRod <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> When you do find it and get some on your hands, you can clean it off
>> with acetone.
>
> Doggonit. I see that mischief is alive and well on this forum. Why in heck
> would you want to encourage someone to go do a thing like that? Have you
> no
> morals?
>
> To Marco: Acetone penetrates the skin and goes right to your liver. Be
> sure
> to use gloves when working with either Gorilla Glue or acetone.
>
> VK
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:49:53 +0000 (UTC), "Marco B"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Hi guys. I haven't seen Gorilla glue around lately. Are they still
>making the stuff? Can't seen to find it.
When you do find it and get some on your hands, you can clean it off
with acetone.
--
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
It was somewhere outside Barstow when Dave Hinz <[email protected]>
wrote:
>We know enough about you to know you walk like a troll, you talk like a troll,
>you quack like a troll, and you've been seen eating troll food.
Do you have a link to the infamous "Vito eating a goat" .mpg ?
It was somewhere outside Barstow when "Vito Kuhn"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Then someone offered
>mischievous advice (which was confirmed by the "chuckle" remark by stoutman),
>and I corrected it.
You posted an outright lie whilst offering safety advice. Maybe you
didn't know this and you posted from sheer ignorance. Which is almost
as bad.
Seems a little odd that you've only ever made two contributions; one
to impose moderation and one to post misleading safety advice.
>I was really under the impression that you were being sincere, at the time.
I was sincere - I always try to be, which is why I was so bluntly rude
to you when you were pushing moderation on us.
Now though I see you posting this:
>Have you no morals?
>
>Acetone penetrates the skin and goes right to your liver.
Offensively patronising and misleading. It's still the decent thing
to do to be welcoming to new posters, but I do wonder just how
valuable your contributions would be.
Vito Kuhn wrote:
> Paul Kierstead <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I am quick to discredit anyone whose only contributions create great
>>strife.
>
> If you bothered to look, you would see that I was a contributor to this forum
> before I had my accident.
I did bother to look. I see nothing but the newsgroup issues and this
one. Did you post under a different name? There was a Fred Kuhn who
posted in the '99 era.
> I came very close to death, and I'm confined to a
> wheelchair now. After you experience something like that, you change BIG TIME.
> I hope you never have to go through what I went through.
I honestly hope so as well. But make sure you change for the better. You
can still make a positive contribution. If I should choose to believe
your advice about acetone was without any knowledge of the fuss (which I
am a good chunk to blame for), then perhaps you are trying to be
positive (wrong, you should check things more thoroughly, but at least
it is positive) but I find that very hard to believe. So show me that
you were at least contributing positive things previously. Show me the
posts; you might even convince some people.
> Of course, you don't give squat about my life or my story, and I don't expect
> you to.
I might care about it, but it still doesn't excuse actions. Care,
sympathy, understanding; you can have all these things yet still condemn
the actions, which is all I really have to go by.
> I just wanted to point out that I did used to post here at one time,
> and I have made contributions here in the past, contrary to what others are
> saying about me.
Then show us different. And then, contribute postive things. Lead by
example (*)
PK
(*) Yes, I am a hypocrite. But that doesn't make the advice wrong, just
means that I cannot be as good a person as I might like to be. Somedays.
And somedays, you just want to be bad, and I cannot explain that :)
On 17 Mar 2005 05:06:48 +0100, "Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>There will be rules,
>but we're not forcing anyone to post there.
me hate censors...
me hate authoritarianism...
me hate kreepy kristians who want
to heathen-proof the world...
oh, to stay ontopic, is it true they
still make gorilla glue out of gorillas ? ? ?
charleyy
[email protected]
eof
In article <[email protected]>, "Vito Kuhn" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
>> you and Susan were being pretty obnoxious in
>> trying to force changes onto a community that you hadn't, to that
>> point, made any real attempt to be a part of, let alone find out if
>> those changes were even welcome.
>
>Please don't mislead people who don't know what you're talking about. I
> proposed
>a "separate" newsgroup, as in NOT THIS GROUP.
I'm misleading no-one, Vito. Your statement is at best a partial truth, and at
worst a lie by omission. As you well know, you first attempted to force
moderation on this group. When that failed, you tried to create a second,
redundant group - and it was thoroughly explained to you at that time that
doing so would indeed have an impact, and a negative one at that, on this
group. Unfortunately you chose not to listen.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?