OT: Indy 500 and Danica Patrick.

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Max" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'm also a fan of F-1. Alonso and Raikkonen looking good this year
>> after
>> domination by M. Schumacher for so long.
>
> Yo Max!
>
> I have been to quite a few F-1 races, Montreal, Detroit, Watkins Glen
> back in them days..Mosport... and Zandvoort and Spa.
> I drove the Nurnberg Ring (off season). They let you do that for 20
> bucks back then. Maybe they still do. Sunday the European GP is there.

USGP Watkins Glen: 1973, 74, 75, 77, 79
Canadian GP Mosposrt Park: 1974 (Trackside phto pass!)
USGP Dallas (?), TX: 1984 (Texas in July; talk about HOT)
--
"New Wave" Dave In Houston

Robatoy wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Wes Stewart <n7ws_@*yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Too bad we couldn't
> > put Sterling, Mario, Juan, Jimmy Clark, the two Stewarts, Jackie and
> > Tony, A.J. and a few others together in identical F1 Ferraris and see
> > who is really the best in F1.
>
> Add Emerson, Prost , Mansell and Thierry Boutsen to that list.
>
> I think they attempted that somewhat with IROC...just that the cars
> weren't fast enough to make it exciting.
>
> Any minute now and this thread will turn into a Marciano vs Clay..or
> Lewis vs Foreman...oooops.. I said too much.

And now Robbie Gordon is whining because Ms Patrick is 105 pounds
lighter than he is, so has an advantage. It should be interesting, to
see if IRL forces her to add 100 pounds of lead in her next race, if
she does well in this one.

In article <[email protected]>,
Fly-by-Night CC <[email protected]> wrote:

> Wonder how it might
> have turned out if she had been able to keep 100% power instead of
> having to dial it back to conserve fuel - widening that distance she
> held during the final laps when traffic was holding the others back.

This race was definitely about gambling on a fuel strategy. You may
have noticed that the winner ran out of fuel on his victory lap.

Kevin

Robatoy <[email protected]> writes:

>I'm a huge open-wheel racing fan. More so F-1 than IRL or CART, but the
>Indy 500 is a tradition that transcends, somehow beyond the bullshit in
>IRL and CART's managements.

I can't watch much open wheel racing after watching Nascar. Open wheel
just seems so tame in comparision.

I don't watch much racing because each race is a two to three hour
investment of time. I will probably watch at least some of the Indy 500.

My time is better spent woodworking and similiar pursuits.

Brian Elfert

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
> I sort of reminds me of a story a guest told on Johnny Carson. I don't
> recall who it was, but he had played a really cool prank on his
> neighbour. His neighbour had bought one of the very first Volkwagens in
> America. At night, he (the guest) would add a few quarts of gasoline to
> the tank of the Volkswagen. Every day.
> His neighbour was bragging to the whole neighbourhood about his
> incredible fuel mileage..like 200 mpg.
>
> Then he stopped adding the fuel.
>
> The neighbour was all over the dealership. What was wrong? He used to
> get 200 MPG, now it's burning WAY more fuel...


My dad and some of his buddies at work did it a few years ago to another
coworker.
Add gas everyday for a week or two, but then they started to siphon some
out. Really messed with this guy's head!
Greg

On Sat, 28 May 2005 00:59:12 -0400, the inscrutable Robatoy
<[email protected]> spake:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey, if you think Danica's cute, try boppin' over to Xtreme 4X4
>> some time. Jessi Combs is right at home with pipe benders, grinders,
>> wrenches of all sorts, air tools, plasma cutters, MIG & TIG welders,
>> and puts together 4WD vehicles then DRIVES THEM. What more could a
>> man ask for? Did I mention that she's just as good looking as Danica
>> but Jessi has an even better personality? I'm in lust.
>
>I don't know a thing about Daneca's personality, but I read that she was
>quite cocky.

She and David Marks do about the same when reading scripted material.
Don't you watch/record the weekend morning PowerBlock on Spike? Danica
is the hostess for that and pops up between segments to usher in the
next one.


>Okay...Jessi can work on my car if she wants to....

My truck, too, and I'd be happy to give her a full-body massage
afterwards. Internal and external. <domg>



>> REMEMBER: First you pillage, then you burn.
>
>I know, i KNOW...I said I was sorry....

After a few more sorties I'm sure you'll get it right.


http://hotrod.com/racers/ A lot of these gals got my attention, too.
Mo Powah to 'em! Disney made a movie about the Enders sisters.


--
If you turn the United States on its side,
everything loose will fall to California.
--Frank Lloyd Wright

On Sat, 28 May 2005 03:27:51 -0400, the inscrutable "Upscale"
<[email protected]> spake:

>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:design-
>> Okay...Jessi can work on my car if she wants to....
>
>Don't you mean she can play with your spark plugs?
>Align your pistons?
>Play with your water pump?

She tightens my lug nuts.


>Sorry. Middle of the night and I'm lonely and horny.
>
>Just what everybody wanted to know, right?

So don't tell us; go get the tweezers and go to it. ;)


--
If you turn the United States on its side,
everything loose will fall to California.
--Frank Lloyd Wright

Fly-by-Night CC wrote:
...
> I don't think the cars weigh anywhere near 4,000 pounds - I'm thinking
> more like half that.

You're right--from www.indycar.com

And, it's not a maximum weight, it's a lower limit.

Chassis Regulations

Type: Open-wheel, single-seat, open-cockpit and ground-effect
underbody; outboard wings front and rear

Construction: Monocoque contains cockpit, fuel cell and front
suspension; engine is stressed (integral) member of chassis; rear
assembly contains gearbox and rear suspension members

Materials: Carbon fiber and composites

Weight: 1,525 pounds minimum, including all lubricants and coolants used
during the event, but does not include fuel or driver

Length: 192 inches minimum

Width: 78 inches, plus or minus 1/2 inch.

Wheelbase: 120, plus or minus 2 inches.

Wheel Size: 15-inch diameter x 10 front; 15-inch diameter x 14 rear.

Tires: Firestone Firehawk

Gearbox: XTRAC #295 gearbox (gears forward) Six forward gears,
sequential shifter

Fuel Cell: Single, rupture-proof cell, 30 U.S. gallons (standard)

Cost: $309,000 (maximum)

Manufacturers: Dallara Automobili, Italy
Panoz, Braselton, Ga.

Kevin Craig wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Fly-by-Night CC <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Wonder how it might
> > have turned out if she had been able to keep 100% power instead of
> > having to dial it back to conserve fuel - widening that distance she
> > held during the final laps when traffic was holding the others back.
>
> This race was definitely about gambling on a fuel strategy. You may
> have noticed that the winner ran out of fuel on his victory lap.

Almost every IRL race is given the parameters of the cars...

Mark & Juanita wrote:
...
> Had read about that also. No penalties are assessed if one is the cause
> of the spinouts of other cars?

As long as there is no obvious intent to cause the event it's just
racing--stuff happens at 200+ mph.

Tim Douglass wrote:

> On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:11:33 -0700, mac davis
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >from what I heard after the race, they're going to be looking hard at a few
> >other races that A.J. IV ran and was involved in crashes while being passed...
> >I'd guess that if there is a pattern there, they could suspend his racing
> >license or something??
> >
> >Like one of the drivers said, if you're doing 180 mph and being passed by
> >someone doing well over 200, you should KNOW where they are and that you need to
> >get out of the way.. especially with the radios in all the cars now..
>
> I heard he was on his cell phone at the time....
>

> ROTFLMA



>
> <g>
>
> --
> "We need to make a sacrifice to the gods, find me a young virgin... oh, and bring something to kill"
>
> Tim Douglass
>
> http://www.DouglassClan.com

Ba r r y wrote:
>>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>http://www.danicaracing.com/
>>I want her to win just because she's cute as a bug
>
>
> You know how women root for ballplayers because they're good looking?
>
> I think I just joined that club. <G>
>
> What a cutie...
>
> There used to be a blonde in the Busch Grand National, but I can't
> remember her name. She wasn't hard to look at either.

Shawna Robinson? She also drove in Winston Cup.

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On Fri, 27 May 2005 22:07:16 GMT, "Max"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I'm also a fan of F-1. Alonso and Raikkonen looking good this year after
>domination by M. Schumacher for so long.

Yeah, all it took was for the FIA to make the qualifying rules as
Mickey-Mouse as the ones for the Indy500.

Lee

On Tue, 31 May 2005 17:19:06 -0700, Wes Stewart <n7ws_@*yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 31 May 2005 16:07:29 -0500, Kevin Craig <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>Fly-by-Night CC <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Wonder how it might
>>> have turned out if she had been able to keep 100% power instead of
>>> having to dial it back to conserve fuel - widening that distance she
>>> held during the final laps when traffic was holding the others back.
... snip
>
>Danica is very good, very pretty and this time very lucky. I told my
>wife before the pit stops began that I bet Danica would stall the
>engine. Her inexperience also caused the spin that took out other
>cars and luckly left her in the race. She could have well DNFed right
>there. ... more snip

Had read about that also. No penalties are assessed if one is the cause
of the spinouts of other cars?




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I take it from his e-mail provider that he is in Canada - do you know where?
It's very interesting living in a border city and having your metropolitan
area actually encompassing two countries. My daughter chose to take French
all through school here, as many of her friends were across the river and
were involved in French immersion classes, so learning to speak French
became very important to her.

Regards,
Fred Bearman
Port Huron, Michigan

"Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> For those who don't know who Danica Patrick is, these pictures in this
>> link should fill you in a little on her (includes her pictures from FHM):
>> http://www.indymotorspeedway.com/danica.htm
>>
>> But besides that, she does certainly seem to be able to drive.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Fred Bearman
>> Port Huron, Michigan
>>
> Hey Fred, you and Robatoy are almost neighbors.
>
> Max
>

On Sat, 28 May 2005 16:17:57 GMT, "Max"
<[email protected]> wrote:


>I've never been able to watch F-1 live. The cutting edge of automotive
>engineering.

Those cars are simply unfriggin' believable! A few years back I got
to Montreal, and the acceleration and nimbleness of those cars just
has to be experienced to be believed. TV doesn't do them justice.

I also like visiting the local NASCAR modified oval tracks (Stafford
and Thompson), as the competition is pretty tight with 1960's
technology. <G>

Barry

On Fri, 27 May 2005 15:56:18 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:

>I'm a huge open-wheel racing fan. More so F-1 than IRL or CART, but the
>Indy 500 is a tradition that transcends, somehow beyond the bullshit in
>IRL and CART's managements.
>Crazy cars and now a pretty woman too. CAN it get any better than that?
>
>I know that Formula 1 is waaay faster and more exciting, and I'm pretty
>much up to date on drivers, equipment and points/standings but there are
>no chick-drivers! Now that IRL has one: http://www.danicaracing.com/
>I want her to win just because she's cute as a bug..... and I know very
>little about much else when it comes to drivers, equipment, etc.
>
>A chick with 650 hp 1500-pound car..shhheee-it it's going to be fun!

Like a lot of folks, I haven't watched an Indy 500 in a lot of years, but had
this one on because of her...
The paper predicted on the day before the race that an extra 15 to 20% of folks
would tune in to see how she did..

I think she said that the car weighs about 4,000+ ??

What's cool to me is that besides being a 5' 1" cutey, she's a freakin' rookie
and came in 4th... that lady is one hell of a driver, and only 23 yrs old..


mac

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>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
> http://www.danicaracing.com/
> I want her to win just because she's cute as a bug

You know how women root for ballplayers because they're good looking?

I think I just joined that club. <G>

What a cutie...

There used to be a blonde in the Busch Grand National, but I can't
remember her name. She wasn't hard to look at either.

Barry

On Sat, 28 May 2005 13:36:46 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>> Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey, if you think Danica's cute, try boppin' over to Xtreme 4X4
>>> some time. Jessi Combs is right at home with pipe benders, grinders,
>>> wrenches of all sorts, air tools, plasma cutters, MIG & TIG welders,
>
>This subject is off topic. Just a few weeks back woodworking types like
>Jodi Marks and the Hometime gal were getting all the attention. These hot
>rodders and racers are tainting the woodworkers. Next thing you know,
>you'll be having impure thoughts and grow hair on your palms and go blind.
>I'm up to bifocals myself.

Must be the Viagra making you go blind.
>

On Sat, 28 May 2005 22:30:36 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Lee DeRaud <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 27 May 2005 22:07:16 GMT, "Max"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >I'm also a fan of F-1. Alonso and Raikkonen looking good this year after
>> >domination by M. Schumacher for so long.
>>
>> Yeah, all it took was for the FIA to make the qualifying rules as
>> Mickey-Mouse as the ones for the Indy500.
>
>Yabbut... all those rules apply to everybody. It's not as if the rules
>include: If you have a red car with a prancing horse logo, your wing has
>to be smaller than the blue car with the star on it...

Well, not quite. But they diddled the qualifying rules last year, and
it didn't work: Ferrari found strategies to overcome them. The rule
changes this year seemed *specifically* designed to make those
strategies obsolete.

>But, I agree, this years rule changes sure seemed to have made a huge
>difference to some teams.

Or at least some tire companies. Bridgestone has been behind the curve
on tire design for several years now, but the Ferrari-Schumacher
combination was good enough to make up for it. This year's rules
played right into Michelin's strength: their endurance racing
experience.

If F1 was actually serious about reducing costs, they would have gone
to a "spec" tire a decade ago.

Lee

"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I take it from his e-mail provider that he is in Canada - do you know
>where? It's very interesting living in a border city and having your
>metropolitan area actually encompassing two countries. My daughter chose
>to take French all through school here, as many of her friends were across
>the river and were involved in French immersion classes, so learning to
>speak French became very important to her.
>
> Regards,
> Fred Bearman
> Port Huron, Michigan

Sarnia, right across the bridge. I was born there, grew up in MI. Now
living in Texas. My kids all speak Spanish quite well. I struggle with it.
<G>

Max D.

Tim Douglass wrote:

>
> I heard he was on his cell phone at the time....
>
> <g>
>

Sending text messages...

R U Watching TV?

L8R AJ

Barry

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> I'm a huge open-wheel racing fan. More so F-1 than IRL or CART, but the
> Indy 500 is a tradition that transcends, somehow beyond the bullshit in
> IRL and CART's managements.
> Crazy cars and now a pretty woman too. CAN it get any better than that?
>
I'm mostly a NASCAR and flat track motorcycle fan, but Indy is like the
Kentucky Derby. Life just wouldn't be the same without a few
traditions.


--
BNSF = Build Now, Seep Forever

> Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey, if you think Danica's cute, try boppin' over to Xtreme 4X4
>> some time. Jessi Combs is right at home with pipe benders, grinders,
>> wrenches of all sorts, air tools, plasma cutters, MIG & TIG welders,

This subject is off topic. Just a few weeks back woodworking types like
Jodi Marks and the Hometime gal were getting all the attention. These hot
rodders and racers are tainting the woodworkers. Next thing you know,
you'll be having impure thoughts and grow hair on your palms and go blind.
I'm up to bifocals myself.

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Max" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'm also a fan of F-1. Alonso and Raikkonen looking good this year after
>> domination by M. Schumacher for so long.
>
> Yo Max!
>
> I have been to quite a few F-1 races, Montreal, Detroit, Watkins Glen
> back in them days..Mosport... and Zandvoort and Spa.
> I drove the Nurnberg Ring (off season). They let you do that for 20
> bucks back then. Maybe they still do. Sunday the European GP is there.
> Gonna be a full day for me with Indy right after....*G*

Oh hush, show-off!! <G>
I've never been able to watch F-1 live. The cutting edge of automotive
engineering.
But I catch as many as I can on TV.
I much prefer F-1, Cart, and IRL over NASCAR (Bubba) racing. The "stock"
cars aren't "stock" and carbureted?(what's that?) engines.
Too many wrecks.

> The last few years have been a frickin' drag. But what do you do? Schumi
> was/is probably the best ever even though he ruined a few years of F-1
> for me. I mean, it's downright boring. race after race, pole position,
> lead, win. Over and over...grrrrrrrrrr
> BUT... it looks like we're back. I thought Alonso was going to be a
> runaway, but Kimi is looking great! Trulli and Ralphie are looking good
> too. And Weber is a bit of a surprise. I wish Jacques ( with a 'c' )
> would work a little harder.
>
> Before I die, I want to watch a race at Monte Carlo.
>
> Here's an interesting tidbit of info. They had a CART race on the Gilles
> Villeneuve track in Montreal two years ago. Many people have had the
> barroom discussion who is quicker, the CARTs or the F-1's.
> The F-1's do the track in Montreal a full 6.5 seconds faster than CARTs.
> Now that is settled.

Cutting edge engineering.

Max (Just wondering if I could swing a trip to Monte Carlo)

For those who don't know who Danica Patrick is, these pictures in this link
should fill you in a little on her (includes her pictures from FHM):
http://www.indymotorspeedway.com/danica.htm

But besides that, she does certainly seem to be able to drive.

Regards,
Fred Bearman
Port Huron, Michigan

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm a huge open-wheel racing fan. More so F-1 than IRL or CART, but the
> Indy 500 is a tradition that transcends, somehow beyond the bullshit in
> IRL and CART's managements.
> Crazy cars and now a pretty woman too. CAN it get any better than that?
>
> I know that Formula 1 is waaay faster and more exciting, and I'm pretty
> much up to date on drivers, equipment and points/standings but there are
> no chick-drivers! Now that IRL has one: http://www.danicaracing.com/
> I want her to win just because she's cute as a bug..... and I know very
> little about much else when it comes to drivers, equipment, etc.
>
> A chick with 650 hp 1500-pound car..shhheee-it it's going to be fun!

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:design-
> Okay...Jessi can work on my car if she wants to....

Don't you mean she can play with your spark plugs?
Align your pistons?
Play with your water pump?
.
.
.
.
Sorry. Middle of the night and I'm lonely and horny.

Just what everybody wanted to know, right?

On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 07:38:57 -0700, Wes Stewart <n7ws_@*yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 31 May 2005 20:33:19 -0700, Mark & Juanita
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>>
>> Had read about that also. No penalties are assessed if one is the cause
>>of the spinouts of other cars?
>
>Nope. That's racin'. Of course in open-wheel cars trying to spin
>somebody out isn't done. Most, but clearly not all, of the crashes
>are due to slower, non-competitive cars and drivers that probably
>shouldn't be on the race track. A.J. Foyt IV leaps to mind.
>
>This is not to say that they are unskilled, just that there are three
>or four teams with the depth (deep pockets) who can afford limitless
>hours of development, practice, back-up cars, etc. and dominate. The
>number of driving positions on these teams is limited so other good
>drivers are left to drive inferior equipment, with limited practice
>time, so-so pit crews, and so forth.

from what I heard after the race, they're going to be looking hard at a few
other races that A.J. IV ran and was involved in crashes while being passed...
I'd guess that if there is a pattern there, they could suspend his racing
license or something??

Like one of the drivers said, if you're doing 180 mph and being passed by
someone doing well over 200, you should KNOW where they are and that you need to
get out of the way.. especially with the radios in all the cars now..



mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

In article <[email protected]>,
Wes Stewart <n7ws_@*yahoo.com> wrote:

> Too bad we couldn't
> put Sterling, Mario, Juan, Jimmy Clark, the two Stewarts, Jackie and
> Tony, A.J. and a few others together in identical F1 Ferraris and see
> who is really the best in F1.

Add Emerson, Prost , Mansell and Thierry Boutsen to that list.

I think they attempted that somewhat with IROC...just that the cars
weren't fast enough to make it exciting.

Any minute now and this thread will turn into a Marciano vs Clay..or
Lewis vs Foreman...oooops.. I said too much.

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:

> Hey, if you think Danica's cute, try boppin' over to Xtreme 4X4
> some time. Jessi Combs is right at home with pipe benders, grinders,
> wrenches of all sorts, air tools, plasma cutters, MIG & TIG welders,
> and puts together 4WD vehicles then DRIVES THEM. What more could a
> man ask for? Did I mention that she's just as good looking as Danica
> but Jessi has an even better personality? I'm in lust.

I don't know a thing about Daneca's personality, but I read that she was
quite cocky.
Okay...Jessi can work on my car if she wants to....
>
[snip]
> --




> REMEMBER: First you pillage, then you burn.

I know, i KNOW...I said I was sorry....

In article <[email protected]>,
Wes Stewart <n7ws_@*yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 28 May 2005 13:36:46 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >> Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey, if you think Danica's cute, try boppin' over to Xtreme 4X4
> >>> some time. Jessi Combs is right at home with pipe benders, grinders,
> >>> wrenches of all sorts, air tools, plasma cutters, MIG & TIG welders,
> >
> >This subject is off topic. Just a few weeks back woodworking types like
> >Jodi Marks and the Hometime gal were getting all the attention. These hot
> >rodders and racers are tainting the woodworkers. Next thing you know,
> >you'll be having impure thoughts and grow hair on your palms and go blind.
> >I'm up to bifocals myself.
>
> Must be the Viagra making you go blind.
> >

A Purolator delivery truck was stolen here the other day. It had a large
supply of Viagra on board.
Police are looking for a band of hardened criminals.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Max" <[email protected]> wrote:

[snipped story about NASCAR]

> Too many wrecks.

That *IS* the sport. Crashes. Aint it fuhhn?
Turn left

turn left

turn left


turn left

Boooohringggggggggggg

In article <[email protected]>,
jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:

> Think Shirley as in Muldowney. Not bad to look at but one of the best
> top fuelers ever. Just ask Big Daddy.

One of my favourite movies is Heart Like A Wheel.

In article <[email protected]>,
Lee DeRaud <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 27 May 2005 22:07:16 GMT, "Max"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I'm also a fan of F-1. Alonso and Raikkonen looking good this year after
> >domination by M. Schumacher for so long.
>
> Yeah, all it took was for the FIA to make the qualifying rules as
> Mickey-Mouse as the ones for the Indy500.
>
> Lee

Yabbut... all those rules apply to everybody. It's not as if the rules
include: If you have a red car with a prancing horse logo, your wing has
to be smaller than the blue car with the star on it...

But, I agree, this years rule changes sure seemed to have made a huge
difference to some teams.

In article <[email protected]>,
mac davis <[email protected]> wrote:

> I think she said that the car weighs about 4,000+ ??

I think more like 1500 LBS.. My *VAN* weighs 4000 LBS..<g>
>
> What's cool to me is that besides being a 5' 1" cutey, she's a freakin' rookie
> and came in 4th... that lady is one hell of a driver, and only 23 yrs old..

She really did shine. She reached in deep to recover from all that went
wrong. That girl will be drinking the milk soon enough. She's amazing.

I have a daughter (one of 3) who's one year older..she drives too....
.
.
.
.
.
a Diesel Jetta..*G* Suits her perfectly.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I take it from his e-mail provider that he is in Canada - do you know where?
> It's very interesting living in a border city and having your metropolitan
> area actually encompassing two countries. My daughter chose to take French
> all through school here, as many of her friends were across the river and
> were involved in French immersion classes, so learning to speak French
> became very important to her.
>
> Regards,
> Fred Bearman
> Port Huron, Michigan
>
Well, Fred, 3 of my daughter all took French immersion, one of them
still is. It's very handy here in this 'officially bilingual' country.

My SWMBO (doesn't rhyme with BMBO) gets a few of her favourite groceries
in Port Huron. I still do the odd Lowe's or HD visit and stop in and get
a pretzel at Birchwood.

My sister, who lives in KC (Olathe) flies into either Flint or Detroit
so I'm across that bridge often.

Sarnia is my favourite place on earth. It has everything... just like
Port Huron.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Max" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm also a fan of F-1. Alonso and Raikkonen looking good this year after
> domination by M. Schumacher for so long.

Yo Max!

I have been to quite a few F-1 races, Montreal, Detroit, Watkins Glen
back in them days..Mosport... and Zandvoort and Spa.
I drove the Nurnberg Ring (off season). They let you do that for 20
bucks back then. Maybe they still do. Sunday the European GP is there.
Gonna be a full day for me with Indy right after....*G*

The last few years have been a frickin' drag. But what do you do? Schumi
was/is probably the best ever even though he ruined a few years of F-1
for me. I mean, it's downright boring. race after race, pole position,
lead, win. Over and over...grrrrrrrrrr
BUT... it looks like we're back. I thought Alonso was going to be a
runaway, but Kimi is looking great! Trulli and Ralphie are looking good
too. And Weber is a bit of a surprise. I wish Jacques ( with a 'c' )
would work a little harder.

Before I die, I want to watch a race at Monte Carlo.

Here's an interesting tidbit of info. They had a CART race on the Gilles
Villeneuve track in Montreal two years ago. Many people have had the
barroom discussion who is quicker, the CARTs or the F-1's.
The F-1's do the track in Montreal a full 6.5 seconds faster than CARTs.
Now that is settled.

In article <[email protected]>,
Ba r r y <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm really not making this up.

I know you're not. BAR racing was banned from Formula 1 for two races
because the buggers hid a small fuel tank. During the last pit stop,
they'd fill it again so their minimum weight was right again, but a few
laps prior to the stops they were lighter than the legal limit. Clever.
But not clever enough.

I sort of reminds me of a story a guest told on Johnny Carson. I don't
recall who it was, but he had played a really cool prank on his
neighbour. His neighbour had bought one of the very first Volkwagens in
America. At night, he (the guest) would add a few quarts of gasoline to
the tank of the Volkswagen. Every day.
His neighbour was bragging to the whole neighbourhood about his
incredible fuel mileage..like 200 mpg.

Then he stopped adding the fuel.

The neighbour was all over the dealership. What was wrong? He used to
get 200 MPG, now it's burning WAY more fuel...

On Tue, 31 May 2005 16:07:29 -0500, Kevin Craig <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Fly-by-Night CC <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Wonder how it might
>> have turned out if she had been able to keep 100% power instead of
>> having to dial it back to conserve fuel - widening that distance she
>> held during the final laps when traffic was holding the others back.
>
>This race was definitely about gambling on a fuel strategy. You may
>have noticed that the winner ran out of fuel on his victory lap.

That's the way it should be. I believe it was Ferdy Porsche who said
that the ideal race car would self-destruct as it crossed the finish
line.

The history at Indy is to punish cars that are superior because of
design or other technical innovation. For example when the turbine
cars would clearly dominate, the air inlet was restricted to make then
uncompetitive. The tire wars are gone, everyone runs
Bridgestones...sorry...Firestones. No more push rod Chevys, etc.

So I predict that there will be a rules change to make the cars have a
minimum weight that includes the driver. A 100 lb advantage is huge.

Danica is very good, very pretty and this time very lucky. I told my
wife before the pit stops began that I bet Danica would stall the
engine. Her inexperience also caused the spin that took out other
cars and luckly left her in the race. She could have well DNFed right
there. She also is with a very good team, with excellent hardware and
excellent coaching.

On 29 May 2005 01:24:32 -0700, "Charlie Self" <[email protected]>
wrote:


>And now Robbie Gordon is whining because Ms Patrick is 105 pounds
>lighter than he is, so has an advantage. It should be interesting, to
>see if IRL forces her to add 100 pounds of lead in her next race, if
>she does well in this one.

Some sanctioning bodies weigh the car with the driver, as not only is
the total weight judged, but the left to right percentages.

Fat guys can bias an oval car more to the left. <G> The extra
overall hit is well worth it on a short track.

Small-time cars have also been known to "lose" some weight from the
right side during the race. This weight is usually lead bars slid
inside a hollow frame component, blocked with wood wedges, and held in
place with a safety bolt. On more than one occasion, the bolt has
been "forgotten", causing the weight to unfortunately fall out during
a race. <G> It took some bodies years to finally require a rescale
after the race of top finishers.

I'm really not making this up.

Barry

On Sat, 28 May 2005 16:17:57 GMT, "Max"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Max" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm also a fan of F-1. Alonso and Raikkonen looking good this year after
>>> domination by M. Schumacher for so long.
>>
>> Yo Max!
>>
>> I have been to quite a few F-1 races, Montreal, Detroit, Watkins Glen
>> back in them days..Mosport... and Zandvoort and Spa.
>> I drove the Nurnberg Ring (off season). They let you do that for 20
>> bucks back then. Maybe they still do. Sunday the European GP is there.
>> Gonna be a full day for me with Indy right after....*G*
>
>Oh hush, show-off!! <G>
>I've never been able to watch F-1 live. The cutting edge of automotive
>engineering.
>But I catch as many as I can on TV.
>I much prefer F-1, Cart, and IRL over NASCAR (Bubba) racing. The "stock"
>cars aren't "stock" and carbureted?(what's that?) engines.

When you never lift, carbs are just fine. Some of the best are made a
few miles from me.

http://www.braswell.com/

Their shop is pretty impressive.


>Too many wrecks.

Typically something like 43 cars (NASCAR) on a 1-mile oval vs. 24 cars
(F1) strung out over a dozen miles, what would one expect?

I was amazed at PIR last Nov. when it took about 90 laps for the first
car to retire and that wasn't a wreck.
>
>> The last few years have been a frickin' drag. But what do you do? Schumi
>> was/is probably the best ever even though he ruined a few years of F-1
>> for me.

He's good and certainly had the best equipment. Too bad we couldn't
put Sterling, Mario, Juan, Jimmy Clark, the two Stewarts, Jackie and
Tony, A.J. and a few others together in identical F1 Ferraris and see
who is really the best in F1.

And then take them all to a dirt track and strap a sprint car on them
and see what happens. I'd vote for "cousin" Tony. [g]

To each his own. She looks like my sister.

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> I want her to win just because she's cute as a bug

"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> For those who don't know who Danica Patrick is, these pictures in this
> link should fill you in a little on her (includes her pictures from FHM):
> http://www.indymotorspeedway.com/danica.htm
>
> But besides that, she does certainly seem to be able to drive.
>
> Regards,
> Fred Bearman
> Port Huron, Michigan
>
Hey Fred, you and Robatoy are almost neighbors.

Max

She's certainly got a great p.r. machine behind her. For somebody who's
never won a car race to get the kind of attention she has is pretty
remarkable. Saw some "news" story about last night, they called her a
"champion race car driver" again, pretty good p.r. for someone who's never
won a race.

I hope she does well, and then gets back to where she belongs, in Champ
Cars.

John

"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> For those who don't know who Danica Patrick is, these pictures in this
link
> should fill you in a little on her (includes her pictures from FHM):
> http://www.indymotorspeedway.com/danica.htm
>
> But besides that, she does certainly seem to be able to drive.
>
> Regards,
> Fred Bearman
> Port Huron, Michigan
>
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I'm a huge open-wheel racing fan. More so F-1 than IRL or CART, but the
> > Indy 500 is a tradition that transcends, somehow beyond the bullshit in
> > IRL and CART's managements.
> > Crazy cars and now a pretty woman too. CAN it get any better than that?
> >
> > I know that Formula 1 is waaay faster and more exciting, and I'm pretty
> > much up to date on drivers, equipment and points/standings but there are
> > no chick-drivers! Now that IRL has one: http://www.danicaracing.com/
> > I want her to win just because she's cute as a bug..... and I know very
> > little about much else when it comes to drivers, equipment, etc.
> >
> > A chick with 650 hp 1500-pound car..shhheee-it it's going to be fun!
>
>

On Fri, 27 May 2005 15:56:18 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I'm a huge open-wheel racing fan. More so F-1 than IRL or CART, but the
>Indy 500 is a tradition that transcends, somehow beyond the bullshit in
>IRL and CART's managements.
>Crazy cars and now a pretty woman too. CAN it get any better than that?
>
>I know that Formula 1 is waaay faster and more exciting, and I'm pretty
>much up to date on drivers, equipment and points/standings but there are
>no chick-drivers! Now that IRL has one: http://www.danicaracing.com/
>I want her to win just because she's cute as a bug..... and I know very
>little about much else when it comes to drivers, equipment, etc.
>
>A chick with 650 hp 1500-pound car..shhheee-it it's going to be fun!

Sheese. How about an even cuter chick in a 6000 hp, 2000-pound car.

http://www.johnforceracing.com/Crews/Ashley_Index.htm

Your girl is here too but she can't hold a candle to Ashley.

http://hotrod.com/racers/113_0504_ashley_force/index.html

Born 40 years too soon. Where were these women when I was drag racing?

On Sat, 28 May 2005 09:33:21 -0400, "Fred" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>For those who don't know who Danica Patrick is, these pictures in this link
>should fill you in a little on her (includes her pictures from FHM):
>http://www.indymotorspeedway.com/danica.htm
>
>But besides that, she does certainly seem to be able to drive.

Looks like Jill Hennessy's younger sister: can't go wrong with that.

I just hope she doesn't turn into the Anna Kornakova of motor racing:
great pictures, no wins.

Lee

On Sun, 29 May 2005 12:31:45 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Ba r r y <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'm really not making this up.
>
>I know you're not.

On some of our local short oval mod tracks, at the end of the feature,
it wasn't uncommon to see a couple of weights on the ground, up near
the wall. <G>

Great story about the Indy cheater tank.

Barry

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm a huge open-wheel racing fan. More so F-1 than IRL or CART, but the
> Indy 500 is a tradition that transcends, somehow beyond the bullshit in
> IRL and CART's managements.
> Crazy cars and now a pretty woman too. CAN it get any better than that?
>
> I know that Formula 1 is waaay faster and more exciting, and I'm pretty
> much up to date on drivers, equipment and points/standings but there are
> no chick-drivers! Now that IRL has one: http://www.danicaracing.com/
> I want her to win just because she's cute as a bug..... and I know very
> little about much else when it comes to drivers, equipment, etc.
>
> A chick with 650 hp 1500-pound car..shhheee-it it's going to be fun!

I've been a fan for at least 60 years. Been to the Indy 500 5 times
although not lately. I can remember the radio days of Sid Collins, "The
Voice Of The Indianapolis 500". I've watched Jimmy Clark, Graham Hill,
Parnelli Jones, The Unsers, and many, many more.
I'm also a fan of F-1. Alonso and Raikkonen looking good this year after
domination by M. Schumacher for so long.

Max D.

In article <[email protected]>,
mac davis <[email protected]> wrote:

> Like a lot of folks, I haven't watched an Indy 500 in a lot of years, but had
> this one on because of her...
> The paper predicted on the day before the race that an extra 15 to 20% of
> folks
> would tune in to see how she did..
>
> I think she said that the car weighs about 4,000+ ??
>
> What's cool to me is that besides being a 5' 1" cutey, she's a freakin'
> rookie
> and came in 4th... that lady is one hell of a driver, and only 23 yrs old..

Yeah, me too. I haven't followed Indy for years now but just happened to
tune in during the last 40 laps and watched her outstanding performance.
Good for her! She did some masterful professional driving that
challenged the best of the experienced drivers. (Wonder how it might
have turned out if she had been able to keep 100% power instead of
having to dial it back to conserve fuel - widening that distance she
held during the final laps when traffic was holding the others back.)

I don't think the cars weigh anywhere near 4,000 pounds - I'm thinking
more like half that.
--
Owen Lowe
The Fly-by-Night Copper Company
__________

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
Corporate States of America and to the
Republicans for which it stands, one nation,
under debt, easily divisible, with liberty
and justice for oil."
- Wiley Miller, Non Sequitur, 1/24/05

On Sat, 28 May 2005 00:42:36 -0000, Brian Elfert <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Robatoy <[email protected]> writes:
>
>>I'm a huge open-wheel racing fan. More so F-1 than IRL or CART, but the
>>Indy 500 is a tradition that transcends, somehow beyond the bullshit in
>>IRL and CART's managements.

Yep.
>
>I can't watch much open wheel racing after watching Nascar. Open wheel
>just seems so tame in comparision.

I grew up around racing. My dad used to build flat-head Fords for
Roger McCluskey (http://www.champcarstats.com/year/1973.htm) when he
was starting out here in Tucson. I gravitated into the automotive
machine shop biz for a while until I got smart enough to go into EE.

I did drag racing and was the crew chief on a dirt track
super-modified (a sprinter with a full roll cage) until my driver was
killed in a light plane crash. I used to go to Riverside for the GP
races and saw the likes of Sterling Moss (the best race car driver
that ever lived IMHO), Dan Gurney, and all of the big name USAC guys
when they ran stockers on the road course.

But I've got to agree that NASCAR (live) is awesome. I've been to the
last two Phoenix races and didn't realize how good they were until
seeing it live. Being a guest in the best suite at the track isn't
bad either.

But, that said, give me a wingless sprint car race on dirt anytime.
Alcohol fumes and dirt in your eyes. Doesn't get any better than
this.

>
>I don't watch much racing because each race is a two to three hour
>investment of time. I will probably watch at least some of the Indy 500.

Get a DVR with a hard drive and record the races. You can skip
through the 4 minute commercials and watch the rest a 2X speed until
something exciting happens. I even do this on the races I see live,
that way I can see what I missed.

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Ba r r y <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'm really not making this up.
>
>I know you're not. BAR racing was banned from Formula 1 for two races
>because the buggers hid a small fuel tank. During the last pit stop,
>they'd fill it again so their minimum weight was right again, but a few
>laps prior to the stops they were lighter than the legal limit. Clever.
>But not clever enough.

I think you will find if you do your research correctly that the
"small fuel tank" was actually inside the main fuel tank and is more
correctly termed a collector. Its sole purpose being to admit fuel and
not allow it to escape into the main volume of the tank so enabling
the vehicle to continue running its engine when the fuel level is low
and during conditions of high G.

Collectors are very, very, widely used in motorsport, indeed the very
week the BAR team were banned ATL, a major supplier of fuel tanks
carried an advert for them in the UK based Autosport magazine, just as
they have done for years. Odds are that EVERY team were running
identical systems and still are. The difference now is that the
collector will have a small bleed hole and be raised slightly above
the base of the main tank base. This permits the fuel in it to slowly
return to the main section of the fuel tank so that when the tank is
requested to be "emptied" at post race scrutineering no residual fuel
remains in the collector.

It was also conclusively proven by BAR by the use of telemetry and
refuelling system records that they did not at ANY time run below the
minimum prescribed weight limits, just that when requested to drain
the fuel tank for a post race check they removed fuel from the main
tank as they and other had done on hundreds of other occasions but not
from the collector which is basically inaccessible without a major
dismantling effort.

So cheats they are not. The rules and procedures were proven to be
seriously at fault, as they still are. Indeed the passing of the car
at post race scrutineering meant that they were unable to protest any
other teams fuel systems which it can be safely assumed would ALL fail
similar checks. The subsequent appeal by the FIA some days later
enabled sanctions to be taken on an unequal basis against a single
team that had been conclusively cleared of any offence by the post
race scrutineers. The fact they had to be banned by the FIA is just
typical bully boy tactics that can be traced back to when they came
into F1 and attempted to run in dual colour schemes.



--

On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:11:33 -0700, mac davis
<[email protected]> wrote:

>from what I heard after the race, they're going to be looking hard at a few
>other races that A.J. IV ran and was involved in crashes while being passed...
>I'd guess that if there is a pattern there, they could suspend his racing
>license or something??
>
>Like one of the drivers said, if you're doing 180 mph and being passed by
>someone doing well over 200, you should KNOW where they are and that you need to
>get out of the way.. especially with the radios in all the cars now..

I heard he was on his cell phone at the time....

<g>

--
"We need to make a sacrifice to the gods, find me a young virgin... oh, and bring something to kill"

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

On Sat, 28 May 2005 19:40:54 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Any minute now and this thread will turn into a Marciano vs Clay..or
>Lewis vs Foreman...oooops.. I said too much.

Roy vs. Hasek. <G>

Yankees vs. Red Sox

Rangers vs. Bruins (or Flyers)

Giants vs. Cowboys (or Eagles)

Packers vs. Bears vs. Vikings...

Wallace vs. Earnhardt (think 80's!)

Barry

On Fri, 27 May 2005 15:56:18 -0400, the inscrutable Robatoy
<[email protected]> spake:

>I'm a huge open-wheel racing fan. More so F-1 than IRL or CART, but the
>Indy 500 is a tradition that transcends, somehow beyond the bullshit in
>IRL and CART's managements.
>Crazy cars and now a pretty woman too. CAN it get any better than that?
>
>I know that Formula 1 is waaay faster and more exciting, and I'm pretty
>much up to date on drivers, equipment and points/standings but there are
>no chick-drivers! Now that IRL has one: http://www.danicaracing.com/
>I want her to win just because she's cute as a bug..... and I know very
>little about much else when it comes to drivers, equipment, etc.
>
>A chick with 650 hp 1500-pound car..shhheee-it it's going to be fun!

Hey, if you think Danica's cute, try boppin' over to Xtreme 4X4
some time. Jessi Combs is right at home with pipe benders, grinders,
wrenches of all sorts, air tools, plasma cutters, MIG & TIG welders,
and puts together 4WD vehicles then DRIVES THEM. What more could a
man ask for? Did I mention that she's just as good looking as Danica
but Jessi has an even better personality? I'm in lust.

Xtreme4x4 is shown on Spike TV Saturday and Sunday, just before
Trucks! or at http://xtreme4x4tv.com


--
REMEMBER: First you pillage, then you burn.
---
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On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:33:10 GMT, B a r r y
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Tim Douglass wrote:
>
>>
>> I heard he was on his cell phone at the time....
>>
>> <g>
>>
>
>Sending text messages...
>
>R U Watching TV?
>
>L8R AJ
>
>Barry

roflmao


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

On Tue, 31 May 2005 20:33:19 -0700, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:

[snip]
>
> Had read about that also. No penalties are assessed if one is the cause
>of the spinouts of other cars?

Nope. That's racin'. Of course in open-wheel cars trying to spin
somebody out isn't done. Most, but clearly not all, of the crashes
are due to slower, non-competitive cars and drivers that probably
shouldn't be on the race track. A.J. Foyt IV leaps to mind.

This is not to say that they are unskilled, just that there are three
or four teams with the depth (deep pockets) who can afford limitless
hours of development, practice, back-up cars, etc. and dominate. The
number of driving positions on these teams is limited so other good
drivers are left to drive inferior equipment, with limited practice
time, so-so pit crews, and so forth.

Wes Stewart wrote:

> On Fri, 27 May 2005 15:56:18 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm a huge open-wheel racing fan. More so F-1 than IRL or CART, but the
>>Indy 500 is a tradition that transcends, somehow beyond the bullshit in
>>IRL and CART's managements.
>>Crazy cars and now a pretty woman too. CAN it get any better than that?
>>
>>I know that Formula 1 is waaay faster and more exciting, and I'm pretty
>>much up to date on drivers, equipment and points/standings but there are
>>no chick-drivers! Now that IRL has one: http://www.danicaracing.com/
>>I want her to win just because she's cute as a bug..... and I know very
>>little about much else when it comes to drivers, equipment, etc.
>>
>>A chick with 650 hp 1500-pound car..shhheee-it it's going to be fun!
>
>
> Sheese. How about an even cuter chick in a 6000 hp, 2000-pound car.
>
> http://www.johnforceracing.com/Crews/Ashley_Index.htm
>
> Your girl is here too but she can't hold a candle to Ashley.
>
> http://hotrod.com/racers/113_0504_ashley_force/index.html
>
> Born 40 years too soon. Where were these women when I was drag racing?
>
Think Shirley as in Muldowney. Not bad to look at but one of the best
top fuelers ever. Just ask Big Daddy.
mahalo,
jo4hn (who once turned 70 in a '50 Chevvy with a Jimmy 6 banger)