Stickers

Listen to daddy Larry, Sliver.

dave

Silvan wrote:

> Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>
>>Does this mean you're FINALLY going to stop replying to every
>>freakin' thread the fidiot puts up? I thought you and Grogs
>>were smarter than that and would have done so _long_ ago.
>
>
> Sometimes it takes an embarrasing amount of time for me to get a clue...
>

the link wasn't the detail. the quote was. posting the link is easy.
plonking you is even easier! bye bye!

dave

Doug Miller wrote:

> In article <eytqb.5070$Y%[email protected]>, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>and here I thought I was doing the OP a favor by copying the pertinent
>>passage so he wouldn't have to wade through a bunch of extraneous
>>material! screw YOU, Cramer, and Silvan.
>>
>
> I guess posting a link would have been too much trouble, eh?
>
>
>
> --
> Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
>
> How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?

Disagree. Rather have a sticker that would draw away moisture, helping
prevent sticker stain. That's why you use dry wood for stickers.
Something non-porous like acrylic would tend to keep the contact area moist,
allowing mildew.

Also, it's not effective to end coat any wood you get from the yard, the
checks are already established, unless it is absolutely freshly trimmed at
the ends. That's why they cut it long - more cost effective.

"bole2cant" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Acrylic what? Anything dry and non-metallic should work fine.
> Coat the ends of the boards with a wax compound (as in AnchorSeal). Paint
is
> only slightly better than nothing.

> > Brian wrote:
> >
> > > I was wondering if I could use acrylic for stickers for drying wood???
Also
> > > how thick is best for the stickers?? Thanks in advanced
................
> > > Brian
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

Nope, have now. Still say, as do they, that when air-drying, want stickers
that don't hold water. And mildew is still mildew.

"bole2cant" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Obviously you have never heard of Durastick.
>
> However, Brian should probably modify his acrylic as suggested at:
> http://www.durastick.com/index.cfm
>
> -Doug
>
> ==================
> "George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Disagree. Rather have a sticker that would draw away moisture, helping
> > prevent sticker stain. That's why you use dry wood for stickers.
> > Something non-porous like acrylic would tend to keep the contact area
moist,
> > allowing mildew.
>
>
>

On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:50:01 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:

>Bay Area Dave wrote:
-snip-
>My apologies to those who have criticized me in the past for talking to you.
>They were right. No, I'm not calling you a troll. You're not a troll, and
>you're right about that. No, you're an *asshole*.

Does this mean you're FINALLY going to stop replying to every
freakin' thread the fidiot puts up? I thought you and Grogs
were smarter than that and would have done so _long_ ago.


-- Friends Don't Let Friends Eat Turkey and Drive --

bole2cant wrote:

> Dave has actually given a fairly comprehensive reply, but I would add:

Make me wonder what book/site he copied that from. It sure doesn't sound
very off the cuff to me.

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

Scott Cramer wrote:

>> Makes me wonder what book/site he copied that from. It sure doesn't
sound
>> very off the cuff to me.
>
> It also uses capital letters and punctuation.
>
> 0.12 seconds of Googling provided this:
>
> www.ca.uky.edu/agc/pubs/for/for55/for55.htm
>
> Plagiarism is the highest form of flattery.

Are you trying to imply that Bay Area Dave, BAD DAVE of all people, ripped
something off from a web site, failed to give proper attribution of the
source, and then tried to fool people into thinking he actually had
something useful to contribute?

Unfathomable, surely. He must be the person who wrote the text featured on
the source web site. Yes, certainly, that's the only explanation that
makes sense. Our beloved Dave would never do such an unthinkable thing
after all.

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

I wonder what miscreant you most admire. You are doing a great job of
copying their juvenile manner.

dave

Silvan wrote:

snip

toddy, you are guilty of plagiarism also. I'm sure at least 1,438 other
posters have said the very thing that you just did. I think it only
fair that you acknowledge them all. practice what you preach. The next
bozo to say the same thing will have to acknowledge 1,439 folks.

have a great day!

dave

todd wrote:

> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:eytqb.5070$Y%[email protected]...
>
>>and here I thought I was doing the OP a favor by copying the pertinent
>>passage so he wouldn't have to wade through a bunch of extraneous
>>material! screw YOU, Cramer, and Silvan.
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Doug Miller wrote:
>>snip
>
>
> Well, BAD, you can plonk me, too, for this, but I learned that when you
> quote something, you are supposed to acknowledge the source.
>
> todd
>
>

On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:08:08 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:

>Oh, please, Dave, say it isn't so! My life is no longer worth living! I can't
>go on! I think I'll just shoot myse

Search String = "Bay Area Dave" "Moon Phase" "Plonk"


Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson

you know you are right! :)

dave

Chris wrote:
snip
>
> I know you have a history with Silvan, just plonk him and get it over
> with.
>
> -Chris

In article <eytqb.5070$Y%[email protected]>, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>and here I thought I was doing the OP a favor by copying the pertinent
>passage so he wouldn't have to wade through a bunch of extraneous
>material! screw YOU, Cramer, and Silvan.
>
I guess posting a link would have been too much trouble, eh?



--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?

Plexiglas is a brand name of "acrylic". I cut allot of it at work on the
laser. I could use the drops to cut them out and use them at home for
stickers....Brian

In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>doug, you REALLY think that I think you'd be upset?

No, and I didn't really think you'd really killfiled me, either.

>I don't consider
>myself important enough to upset anyone by plonking them.

Neither does anyone else, Dave.
:-)

In article <[email protected]>, Scott Cramer <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 06 Nov 2003, Silvan spake unto rec.woodworking:
>> bole2cant wrote:
>>> Dave has actually given a fairly comprehensive reply, but I would add:
>> Make me wonder what book/site he copied that from. It sure doesn't sound
>> very off the cuff to me.
>
>It also uses capital letters and punctuation.
>
>0.12 seconds of Googling provided this:
>www.ca.uky.edu/agc/pubs/for/for55/for55.htm
>Plagiarism is the highest form of flattery.
>
Scott, you have too much time on your hands. :-)

--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?

why would I plonk you, of all people? with your charm and eloquence I
just hang on your every word. You disappoint me that you didn't use up
all the four letter words that you undoubtedly know so well. Go ahead,
show us all how your potty brain works! I'd rather that YOU plonk ME.
Go ahead! Do it! You KNOW you want to! I dare you. No, I DOUBLE dare
you!

(ever consider responding to a WW question with an on-topic reply??)
just for grins?

dave

Silvan wrote:

> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
>
>>>I know you have a history with Silvan, just plonk him and get it over
>>>with.
>
>
>>you know you are right! :)
>
>
> No, he's not. At least not as far as I know. I never said anything
> insulting to or about you until the post in question, and we have no
> history of enmity. If anything, I've taken your side until recently; given
> you the benefit of the doubt; even thought of you as something of a kindred
> spirit, being a fellow smartass and all.
>
> I finally realized what an absolute *asshole* you are when you jumped all
> over David Eisen. If you noticed a shift in my attitude toward you, that's
> when it happened. I started looking at you in a new light, and to realize
> how useless and self-important most of your posts are. When you posted
> something really thoughtful and articulate, I figured it had to be
> something you had ripped off from somewhere. Indeed, it was, and
> unattributed at that. Just further confirmation that I finally know you
> for you you really are now.
>
> My apologies to those who have criticized me in the past for talking to you.
> They were right. No, I'm not calling you a troll. You're not a troll, and
> you're right about that. No, you're an *asshole*.
>
> Go ahead and killfile me. Knock yourself out. I couldn't care less.
>

On 06 Nov 2003, Silvan spake unto rec.woodworking:

> bole2cant wrote:
>
>> Dave has actually given a fairly comprehensive reply, but I would add:
>
> Make me wonder what book/site he copied that from. It sure doesn't sound
> very off the cuff to me.

It also uses capital letters and punctuation.

0.12 seconds of Googling provided this:

www.ca.uky.edu/agc/pubs/for/for55/for55.htm

Plagiarism is the highest form of flattery.

Scott

On 06 Nov 2003, Doug Miller spake unto rec.woodworking:

> In article <[email protected]>, Scott
> Cramer <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On 06 Nov 2003, Silvan spake unto rec.woodworking:
>>> bole2cant wrote:
>>>> Dave has actually given a fairly comprehensive reply, but I would
>>>> add:
>>> Make me wonder what book/site he copied that from. It sure doesn't
>>> sound very off the cuff to me.
>>
>>It also uses capital letters and punctuation.
>>
>>0.12 seconds of Googling provided this:
>>www.ca.uky.edu/agc/pubs/for/for55/for55.htm
>>Plagiarism is the highest form of flattery.
>>
> Scott, you have too much time on your hands. :-)

True, true... 0.12 seconds of my life, gone just like *that*. Wasted
on BAD, no less. In my defense, I had just finished my third cup of
coffee, and the time SEEMED to go by much more quickly than 0.12 seconds,
but I know that is just a perceptual anomaly, the actual time wasted is
0.12 seconds, not one millisecond less.

> How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50
> for Miss America?

Wesley Clark in a thong would be only marginally better than Al
Sharpton in a Speedo, but Carol Mosely Braun in anything less than a burkha
is more than my imagine can deal with.

In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>the link wasn't the detail. the quote was. posting the link is easy.
>plonking you is even easier! bye bye!
>
>dave
>
Oh, please, Dave, say it isn't so! My life is no longer worth living! I can't
go on! I think I'll just shoot myse

In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>toddy, you are guilty of plagiarism also. I'm sure at least 1,438 other
>posters have said the very thing that you just did. I think it only
>fair that you acknowledge them all. practice what you preach. The next
>bozo to say the same thing will have to acknowledge 1,439 folks.
>
>have a great day!
>
What's got your knickers in such a knot today, anyway? Your dog die, or
something?

Bay Area Dave wrote:

>> I know you have a history with Silvan, just plonk him and get it over
>> with.

> you know you are right! :)

No, he's not. At least not as far as I know. I never said anything
insulting to or about you until the post in question, and we have no
history of enmity. If anything, I've taken your side until recently; given
you the benefit of the doubt; even thought of you as something of a kindred
spirit, being a fellow smartass and all.

I finally realized what an absolute *asshole* you are when you jumped all
over David Eisen. If you noticed a shift in my attitude toward you, that's
when it happened. I started looking at you in a new light, and to realize
how useless and self-important most of your posts are. When you posted
something really thoughtful and articulate, I figured it had to be
something you had ripped off from somewhere. Indeed, it was, and
unattributed at that. Just further confirmation that I finally know you
for you you really are now.

My apologies to those who have criticized me in the past for talking to you.
They were right. No, I'm not calling you a troll. You're not a troll, and
you're right about that. No, you're an *asshole*.

Go ahead and killfile me. Knock yourself out. I couldn't care less.

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

Silvan,

haven't you been reading the thread? You need to quote the other 1439
wreckers who've called BAD an *asshole* (I am not sure why he wants to
restrict it to only that few but hey, it's not my rule!).

BTW, if you think the plagiarising BAD boy doesn't read the posts of people
he's *plonked* - think again. Every now and again I drop an uncommon word
into a post and, sure enough, BAD of the limited vocabulary plagiarises it
shortly thereafter. For eg, I dropped the word "tripe" into a post and soon
after he used it too - for the first time ever. But do you know what's
really funny? Because he pretends to ignore the "plonkees" he can't respond
without giving himself away, Lol. Reading this, he'll probably pop a vein or
two!

Have a seat on the bench with us Silvan, we'll get Odeen (<-OBWW) to shove
everyone along a bit while Tom builds another section. This weeks discussion
on the bench is "How to build a BAD pinata (and avoid people attempting to
hit it before the game officially begins)".

Greg (Moron Bench Founding Member)

OBWW - in this sense is obligatory wood'worker' reference


"Silvan" wrote quite reasonably...
<snip>>
> I finally realized what an absolute *asshole* you are when you jumped all
> over David Eisen. If you noticed a shift in my attitude toward you,
that's
> when it happened. I started looking at you in a new light, and to realize
> how useless and self-important most of your posts are. When you posted
> something really thoughtful and articulate, I figured it had to be
> something you had ripped off from somewhere. Indeed, it was, and
> unattributed at that. Just further confirmation that I finally know you
> for you you really are now.
<snip>

Dave has actually given a fairly comprehensive reply, but I would add:

If your stickers are square there is no chance of them being 90° off.
Always use stickers that are dry, not cut from the lumber you are going to dry.
I doubt that anyone would use 36" spacing to dry 4/4 lumber. Most would use
18".
Acrylic what? Anything dry and non-metallic should work fine.
Coat the ends of the boards with a wax compound (as in AnchorSeal). Paint is
only slightly better than nothing.

-Doug
==================
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Stickers, small uniform-sized boards, allow spaces for air to move
> across the lumber surfaces. They are used in stacks to separate the
> lumber so that air can move through the stack and to distribute the
> weight of the lumber vertically from top to bottom. They should be
> placed an equal distance across each layer of lumber and aligned on top
> of one another from the bottom of the stack to the top.
>
> If the spaces between the lumber are not equal, air will flow more
> slowly through the larger spaces. Moisture on lumber surfaces at those
> locations will evaporate at a slower rate, and the lumber will dry more
> slowly. Stickers should be sufficiently more wide than thick so that
> they are not accidentally placed on edge between a layer of lumber.
>
> There is no set sticker size, but the same size sticker should be used
> throughout a lumber stack. One inch by 3/4 inch or 1 1/4 inches by 1
> inch are practical sizes for stickers.
>
> Stickers should be placed as far apart as possible to ensure good air
> circulation. However, if stickers are placed too far apart, the lumber
> will not be supported well enough. Poor support while drying will cause
> the weight of the lumber in the upper layers to sag or otherwise distort
> the lumber near the bottom. Proper sticker distance is a function of the
> size (especially thickness) of the lumber. Generally, a sticker distance
> of about 24 to 36 inches should be sufficient for almost any size
> lumber. It is important that the stickers be placed at equal distances
> and straight across a layer and that each layer have a sticker at both
> ends for support. Proper sticker alignment allows air to circulate
> evenly across the surfaces of the lumber and allows a more uniform
> drying rate for each piece of lumber.
>
> Commercial kiln operators need to consider a balance between more air
> flow across the lumber (thicker stickers) and more kiln capacity, that
> is, more layers (thinner stickers).
>
>
> dave
>
> Brian wrote:
>
> > I was wondering if I could use acrylic for stickers for drying wood??? Also
> > how thick is best for the stickers?? Thanks in advanced ................
> > Brian
> >
> >
>

Obviously you have never heard of Durastick.

However, Brian should probably modify his acrylic as suggested at:
http://www.durastick.com/index.cfm

-Doug

==================
"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Disagree. Rather have a sticker that would draw away moisture, helping
> prevent sticker stain. That's why you use dry wood for stickers.
> Something non-porous like acrylic would tend to keep the contact area moist,
> allowing mildew.

In article <[email protected]>, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:08:08 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
>wrote:
>
>>Oh, please, Dave, say it isn't so! My life is no longer worth living! I can't
>>go on! I think I'll just shoot myse
>
>Search String = "Bay Area Dave" "Moon Phase" "Plonk"
>
Hmmm... you may be on to something there.... maybe he hasn't gotten laid for a
few days 'cause it's "that time"....

--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?

In article <BWjqb.7458$In3.351@lakeread01>, "Brian" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I was wondering if I could use acrylic for stickers for drying wood??? Also
>how thick is best for the stickers?? Thanks in advanced ................

The basic requirements for stickers are that they be straight, flat, and dry.
Acrylic meets all of those requirements.

The best air circulation is achieved with a sticker thickness around 1" (3/4"
is OK). Having a specific thickness is less important than making sure that
all of your stickers are the *same* thickness.

--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?

Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<eytqb.5070$Y%[email protected]>...
> and here I thought I was doing the OP a favor by copying the pertinent
> passage so he wouldn't have to wade through a bunch of extraneous
> material! screw YOU, Cramer, and Silvan.
>
> dave
>

Of course you could have posted and properly cited the source of the
information, depriving Cramer and Silvan the opportunity to take a
shot at you. And is that really a shot? Silvan speculates
(correctly, I might add) that you might have found that information
somewhere other than in your own head, and Cramer simply confirmed it
(in a mere .12 seconds) Sorry, me thinks the woodworking gods will
side against you this time :-)

I know you have a history with Silvan, just plonk him and get it over
with.

-Chris

and here I thought I was doing the OP a favor by copying the pertinent
passage so he wouldn't have to wade through a bunch of extraneous
material! screw YOU, Cramer, and Silvan.

dave

Doug Miller wrote:
snip

"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eytqb.5070$Y%[email protected]...
> and here I thought I was doing the OP a favor by copying the pertinent
> passage so he wouldn't have to wade through a bunch of extraneous
> material! screw YOU, Cramer, and Silvan.
>
> dave
>
> Doug Miller wrote:
> snip

Well, BAD, you can plonk me, too, for this, but I learned that when you
quote something, you are supposed to acknowledge the source.

todd

Larry Jaques wrote:

> Does this mean you're FINALLY going to stop replying to every
> freakin' thread the fidiot puts up? I thought you and Grogs
> were smarter than that and would have done so _long_ ago.

Sometimes it takes an embarrasing amount of time for me to get a clue...

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

Stickers, small uniform-sized boards, allow spaces for air to move
across the lumber surfaces. They are used in stacks to separate the
lumber so that air can move through the stack and to distribute the
weight of the lumber vertically from top to bottom. They should be
placed an equal distance across each layer of lumber and aligned on top
of one another from the bottom of the stack to the top.

If the spaces between the lumber are not equal, air will flow more
slowly through the larger spaces. Moisture on lumber surfaces at those
locations will evaporate at a slower rate, and the lumber will dry more
slowly. Stickers should be sufficiently more wide than thick so that
they are not accidentally placed on edge between a layer of lumber.

There is no set sticker size, but the same size sticker should be used
throughout a lumber stack. One inch by 3/4 inch or 1 1/4 inches by 1
inch are practical sizes for stickers.

Stickers should be placed as far apart as possible to ensure good air
circulation. However, if stickers are placed too far apart, the lumber
will not be supported well enough. Poor support while drying will cause
the weight of the lumber in the upper layers to sag or otherwise distort
the lumber near the bottom. Proper sticker distance is a function of the
size (especially thickness) of the lumber. Generally, a sticker distance
of about 24 to 36 inches should be sufficient for almost any size
lumber. It is important that the stickers be placed at equal distances
and straight across a layer and that each layer have a sticker at both
ends for support. Proper sticker alignment allows air to circulate
evenly across the surfaces of the lumber and allows a more uniform
drying rate for each piece of lumber.

Commercial kiln operators need to consider a balance between more air
flow across the lumber (thicker stickers) and more kiln capacity, that
is, more layers (thinner stickers).


dave

Brian wrote:

> I was wondering if I could use acrylic for stickers for drying wood??? Also
> how thick is best for the stickers?? Thanks in advanced ................
> Brian
>
>

doug, you REALLY think that I think you'd be upset? I don't consider
myself important enough to upset anyone by plonking them. your sarcasm
only amuses your pathetically juvenile cohorts. yawn. go away...

dave

Tom Watson wrote:

> On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:08:08 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
> wrote:
>
>
>>Oh, please, Dave, say it isn't so! My life is no longer worth living! I can't
>>go on! I think I'll just shoot myse
>
>
> Search String = "Bay Area Dave" "Moon Phase" "Plonk"
>
>
> Regards, Tom
> Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
> Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
> http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson

search dictionary for "Tom Watson"

results: agent provocateur


dave

Tom Watson wrote:

> On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:08:08 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
> wrote:
>
>
>>Oh, please, Dave, say it isn't so! My life is no longer worth living! I can't
>>go on! I think I'll just shoot myse
>
>
> Search String = "Bay Area Dave" "Moon Phase" "Plonk"
>
>
> Regards, Tom
> Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
> Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
> http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson

if I was trying to fool you, do you think I'd have cut/pasted the entire
passage in it's original form? sigh. anyone with half their brain tied
behind their back (and NOT on pain killers) would know that I couldn't
possibly have typed all info myself.

dave

Silvan wrote:

> Scott Cramer wrote:
>
>
>>>Makes me wonder what book/site he copied that from. It sure doesn't
>
> sound
>
>>>very off the cuff to me.
>>
>>It also uses capital letters and punctuation.
>>
>>0.12 seconds of Googling provided this:
>>
>>www.ca.uky.edu/agc/pubs/for/for55/for55.htm
>>
>>Plagiarism is the highest form of flattery.
>
>
> Are you trying to imply that Bay Area Dave, BAD DAVE of all people, ripped
> something off from a web site, failed to give proper attribution of the
> source, and then tried to fool people into thinking he actually had
> something useful to contribute?
>
> Unfathomable, surely. He must be the person who wrote the text featured on
> the source web site. Yes, certainly, that's the only explanation that
> makes sense. Our beloved Dave would never do such an unthinkable thing
> after all.
>