OT - Trip to La Vegas!

> maybe I should change my handle to "Dave by the Bay". Then the acronym
> for my handle won't be so "handy" for the miscreants. :)

I don't know about that. I think you are going to carry a legacy. I might
add that you SOMETIMES come across the wrong way with your posts. IMHO.

Redwood Shores is North of You on 110 and 2 exits south of 92- San Mateo
Bridge. I will be out there the week of Jan 19. I hope it doesn't rain and
it nice and warm.

Rich

Have you had an In-N-Out Burger? You think Fudruckers is better?
"Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:
> >In rec.woodworking
> >"RKON" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>> If you don't live where a In and Out Burger is, eat at the one in
Vegas.
> >>I
> >>> is up Tropicana near the freeway.
> >>
> >>
> >>Your Killing me !! I have not had an In-N-Out burger since.. I gues
I'll
> >>have to get me one when I go to SFO in Jan. Yummmmm
> >>
> >>Great Advice.
> >
> >Thanks, I'm killin' myself. I live in Texas and there isn't one for over
> >1000 miles. I was so pleased that I looked into a franchise, only to
find
> >out they are family owned and not for franchise. I've also thought of
> >stealing the idea here in Texas.
>
> yahbut, you've got Fuddruckers in TX. I'd kill for one of those places
> nearby, in Chicago.

Mon, Dec 22, 2003, 12:02am (EST+5) [email protected] (JonH) says:
Hi guys,
My family and others are going to Las Vegas <snip>

I've never been, but my ex is out there. If you see her give her
season greetings from me. How does that song go? The Twelve days of
Christmas, a partridge in a pear tree, rings, and what all. Well, I
can't afford all that, so if you see her, just give her the bird for me.

JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
"know"?.
- Granny Weatherwax

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 22 Dec 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/

Dave By the Bay:

Where is the closest to Redwood Shores?

Rich
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've got an In & Out Burger about 4 blocks from me! That should qualify
> as my first gloat! :) We used to drive over 25-30 miles to one; then
> about 18-20 miles to a newer one. Then the fast food Gods answered our
> prayers.
>
> If you are in Texas you should have a What-A-Burger.
>
> dave
>
> Bruce wrote:
> > In rec.woodworking
> > "RKON" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>If you don't live where a In and Out Burger is, eat at the one in
Vegas.
> >>
> >>I
> >>
> >>>is up Tropicana near the freeway.
> >>
> >>
> >>Your Killing me !! I have not had an In-N-Out burger since.. I gues
I'll
> >>have to get me one when I go to SFO in Jan. Yummmmm
> >>
> >>Great Advice.
> >
> >
> > Thanks, I'm killin' myself. I live in Texas and there isn't one for
over
> > 1000 miles. I was so pleased that I looked into a franchise, only to
find
> > out they are family owned and not for franchise. I've also thought of
> > stealing the idea here in Texas.
>

Sorry I can't help you. SWMBO and I drove through this fall and didn't
even stop, except for the red-light. It was Las Vegas, NM!

JonH wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
> My family and others are going to Las Vegas for the first time! The trouble
> is that none of us has ever been there! Does anyone have some suggestions
> for us? We are a group of 12 ( 4 adults and 8 kids, from 5yrs to 16 ) and
> none of us are really gamblers. We would like to spend the night ( at a
> cheap hotel ), get some good food ( at a cheap eatery ) and see some sights
> in the Las Vegas area. I want go to Hoover Dam and take a lot of dam(n)
> pictures, take a tour and ask a lot of dam(n) questions. ( Sorry, I couldn't
> resist. ) What do you guys like??
> Thanks in advance,
> Jon H.
> Saugus, CA

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In rec.woodworking
"JonH" <[email protected]> wrote:

>My family and others are going to Las Vegas for the first time! The trouble
>is that none of us has ever been there! Does anyone have some suggestions
>for us? We are a group of 12 ( 4 adults and 8 kids, from 5yrs to 16 ) and
>none of us are really gamblers. We would like to spend the night ( at a
>cheap hotel ), get some good food ( at a cheap eatery ) and see some sights
>in the Las Vegas area.

see www.cheapovegas.com for cheap hotels and more ideas and the cheap food
places. This is one time I like to splurge on a hotel. I prefer the MGM,
getting a room overlooking the strip is really nice. Usually the cheapest
rooms are at Excalibur, Stardust, Westward Ho, Stratosphere, Circus Circus
and the Frontier. I don't know about downtown, wouldn't want to stay there
anyway.

For the kids, take them to the indoor theme park at Circus Circus and let
them do kid things while you do adult things. I recommend you see at least
one show. Showgirls at the Rio is nice and only about $22 a ticket with a
coupon. For the whole family, see American Superstars at the Stratosphere.
While you're there take the kids to the top and ride the Bigshot.

Don't miss the light show on Fremont street downtown. It is free and runs
about every hour.

Stop by the Tropicana. They have a giant slot outside that you can pull
once a day for free and worse case, you'll win a deck of cards. You can
get a free margarita at the Casino Royale across from the MGM and while
there, watch the volcano erupt and scoot on down the street to Treasure
Island for the free pirate show. Then go to the Bellagio and watch the
fountain show, all free. The Casino Royal has cheap craps, sometimes $1
min, others $2 min.

If you don't live where a In and Out Burger is, eat at the one in Vegas. I
is up Tropicana near the freeway.


> I want go to Hoover Dam and take a lot of dam(n)
>pictures, take a tour and ask a lot of dam(n) questions. ( Sorry, I couldn't
>resist. ) What do you guys like??

Since 9/11, the tour doesn't go inside the dam anymore.

I will be there in early January to attend the CES show. The best thing in
to hit the strip and tour all the hotels, the big ones are individual and
contain different themes and entertainment ranging from zoos, "street"
entertainment, shopping, shark tanks, a must see is the Eifel tower at the
Paris, the shopping forum at Ceasars, etc. They are installing a Disney type
of monorail circling the center of the city. There are many great shows. LV
is not as cheap as it used to be, but there is much that can be done on a
budget.

"JonH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:5wqFb.623027$Fm2.560925@attbi_s04...
> Hi guys,
> My family and others are going to Las Vegas for the first time! The
trouble
> is that none of us has ever been there! Does anyone have some suggestions
> for us? We are a group of 12 ( 4 adults and 8 kids, from 5yrs to 16 ) and
> none of us are really gamblers. We would like to spend the night ( at a
> cheap hotel ), get some good food ( at a cheap eatery ) and see some
sights
> in the Las Vegas area. I want go to Hoover Dam and take a lot of dam(n)
> pictures, take a tour and ask a lot of dam(n) questions. ( Sorry, I
couldn't
> resist. ) What do you guys like??
> Thanks in advance,
> Jon H.
> Saugus, CA
>
>

In rec.woodworking
"RKON" <[email protected]> wrote:

>> If you don't live where a In and Out Burger is, eat at the one in Vegas.
>I
>> is up Tropicana near the freeway.
>
>
>Your Killing me !! I have not had an In-N-Out burger since.. I gues I'll
>have to get me one when I go to SFO in Jan. Yummmmm
>
>Great Advice.

Thanks, I'm killin' myself. I live in Texas and there isn't one for over
1000 miles. I was so pleased that I looked into a franchise, only to find
out they are family owned and not for franchise. I've also thought of
stealing the idea here in Texas.

In rec.woodworking
Grandpa <jsdebooATcomcast.net> wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>
><snip>
>> and the Frontier. I don't know about downtown, wouldn't want to stay there
>> anyway.
>
>Its real clean, and safe as there are security people all over. If a
>problem occurs they are on it in a heartbeat. Wife and I feel quite
>safe down there - Fremont Street. The hourly free light show is AMAZING!

I didn't mean to diss it, we do visit everytime we go but I guess I'm more
of a tourist than a gambler. And the casinos down there just have too much
smoke in them for me, though the rules are often more favorable.

In rec.woodworking
Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote:

>Make sure you go _through_ the dam. I talked some friends into
>driving me out there once (I was without a car on that trip)
>but they wouldn't let me go on the tour, the main reason I took
>the 40 mile trip there, the richardcraniums.

If it hasn't changed in the past year or so, you can't go inside the dam
anymore, since 9/11.

>Be sure to go on all 3 rides at the Luxor pyramid. 1 is romantic
>(boat trip) and 2 are wild rides which aren't to be missed!

Oh God, I bought all 3 tickets but was too green after the first one to do
anymore. The tickets are good for a year and my sons used them about 9
months later.

In rec.woodworking
Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:

>I've got an In & Out Burger about 4 blocks from me! That should qualify
>as my first gloat! :) We used to drive over 25-30 miles to one; then
>about 18-20 miles to a newer one. Then the fast food Gods answered our
>prayers.
>
>If you are in Texas you should have a What-A-Burger.

Yep, 2 within 3 miles of my house and 1 within 3 miles of my office :)
But, they aren't as fast. The whole concept of #1,2 or 3 is what I like.
I hate morons that can't make up their mind or ordering special holding up
everything. In-N_Out was made for me :)

When are you going? Try to avoid the weeks of major conventions. The hotels
bump the room prices out the window into the stratosphere these weeks. I am
attending CES on January 6 for one week and the hotels have very little room
and charge about $150.00 per night for rooms they normally charge $50.00
for.

"JonH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ffwFb.625600$Fm2.564519@attbi_s04...
> Well I must say "thanks to all". I now have a lot of things to do and
places
> to see and stay. I think that we are going to have to stay about a week
to
> do all the things that you guys listed.
>
> Thanks again,
> Jon Healy
> Saugus, CA
>
>
> "JonH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:5wqFb.623027$Fm2.560925@attbi_s04...
> > Hi guys,
> > My family and others are going to Las Vegas for the first time! The
> trouble
> > is that none of us has ever been there! Does anyone have some
suggestions
> > for us? We are a group of 12 ( 4 adults and 8 kids, from 5yrs to 16 )
and
> > none of us are really gamblers. We would like to spend the night ( at a
> > cheap hotel ), get some good food ( at a cheap eatery ) and see some
> sights
> > in the Las Vegas area. I want go to Hoover Dam and take a lot of dam(n)
> > pictures, take a tour and ask a lot of dam(n) questions. ( Sorry, I
> couldn't
> > resist. ) What do you guys like??
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Jon H.
> > Saugus, CA
> >
> >
>
>

In rec.woodworking
"RKON" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Have you had an In-N-Out Burger? You think Fudruckers is better?

It isnt' really a fair comparision. In-N-Out is fast food, albeit
excellent fast food. Fudrucker's is more like a homemade, thick burger
with better trimmings. If I had to choose, Fudd's gets it hands down but
like I say, they serve different puposes.

And at Fudds, you can wash it down with a beer :)

In rec.woodworking
Grandpa <jsdebooATcomcast.net> wrote:

>> And at Fudds, you can wash it down with a beer :)
>
>Not the ones in New Mexico<sigh>...

Ahh, that's too bad Grandpa. Sorry.

"JonH" <> wrote in message news:5wqFb.623027$Fm2.560925@attbi_s04...
> Hi guys,
> My family and others are going to Las Vegas for the first time! The
trouble
> is that none of us has ever been there! Does anyone have some suggestions
> for us? We are a group of 12 ( 4 adults and 8 kids, from 5yrs to 16 ) and
> none of us are really gamblers. We would like to spend the night ( at a
> cheap hotel ), get some good food ( at a cheap eatery ) and see some
sights
> in the Las Vegas area. I want go to Hoover Dam and take a lot of dam(n)
> pictures, take a tour and ask a lot of dam(n) questions. ( Sorry, I
couldn't
> resist. ) What do you guys like??
> Thanks in advance,
> Jon H.
> Saugus, CA

If you are flying in, the best view is on the right side of the plane.
Taking off, they often circle right and you get a good view of the Strip.

Hoover Dam is a must. Take the tour, then take a boat ride on Lake Mead.
It is relaxing, and very educational.

If you are careful in choosing a location, the hotels on the Strip can be
cheap. The prices are highest on Friday and Saturday. The brand new places
are very expensive, but The Flamingo can be very reasonable and the rooms
are equal to any mid priced motel. All the casinos have good buffets. Most
are $10 to $12 for dinner. Good value, really.

Take in the shopping at Caesars and the Aladdin (Desert Passage). There is
a virtual ride at Caesar's that he kids will enjoy, I think it is $8. The
fountain shows every hour are fun to watch. Away from the glitz, Ethel M
Chocolate factory is fun also. Factory tour, free tasting, walk the
gardens. There is an M & M place also. You can also take a ride out to Red
Rock canyon.

In all honestly, the casinos are not good places for the kids. Saturday
night on the Strip is a good place for people watching, but not for
pre-teens. Most of the shows are adult oriented and a bit pricey for a
group. They run $65 to $125. Blue Man Group at the Luxor and the Scintas
Family at Rio are OK for kids.

There are Outlet stores in three locations, but they are no different than
Outlet stores in any other city.

My daughter lives is Vegas, but I'd just as well she got the hell out of
there. The more I visit, the less I like it. Yeah it is a place that
everyone should see once in their lives, but not a place to raise a family.
I've been there twice in the past five weeks. Too many times in the past 20
years.
Ed
[email protected]
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome

In article <5wqFb.623027$Fm2.560925@attbi_s04>,
JonH <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hi guys,
>My family and others are going to Las Vegas for the first time! The trouble
>is that none of us has ever been there! Does anyone have some suggestions
>for us? We are a group of 12 ( 4 adults and 8 kids, from 5yrs to 16 ) and
>none of us are really gamblers. We would like to spend the night ( at a
>cheap hotel ), get some good food ( at a cheap eatery ) and see some sights
>in the Las Vegas area. I want go to Hoover Dam and take a lot of dam(n)
>pictures, take a tour and ask a lot of dam(n) questions. ( Sorry, I couldn't
>resist. ) What do you guys like??
>Thanks in advance,
>Jon H.
>Saugus, CA
>
>

If it's like Reno, the place to stay *is* one of the casino hotels.
_nice_ rooms are dirt-cheap. The Last time I was through Reno overnight,
I had a $16 (!!) room at Fitzgeralds. The room was 'only' about 14'x40'in
size. TWO _king_ beds, Two TVs, 2 big upholstered wing chairs, plus table
with 4 side chairs, _and_ a second 2-place table out on the balcony.

Casino gambling is, in general, a very 'anti-social' activity. Erm, make
that 'non social'. no conversation or banter, etc.

Any of the 'gambling towns' are "adult" entertainment places. Not much for
kids -- not allowed in the gambling areas, etc. Most of the casinos have
similar 'non social' activity rooms for the kids -- video game arcades, etc.

Overall, *lots* of glitz and glitter. Mostly 'semi-tacky'. Not 'cheap', just
grossly over-done.

Stage shows at the casinos _are_ impressive productions. Many -- make that
most -- will be unsuitable for children, however. One staple description:
"100 beautiful girls, 50 gorgeous costumes".


For 'non-casino' things, it depends on your (collectively) taste/inclinations
Theres the dam, the race-track, the USAF test facility ("Dreamland") and/or
Nellis AFB, some _great_ golf-courses. There's also desert tours, horseback
riding, hiking, etc.

See the Las Vegas Convention and Visitor Authority <http://www.lvcva.com/>
web-site for other 'things to do' in the area.

Depending on what you consider "the vicinity", there's the Grand Canyon,
Monument Valley, rafting on the Colorado River, Death Valley.

Further away, but worth the visit, "The Arches" national park, Bryce Canyon,
Meteor Crater, Natural Bridges Nat'l Monument, Canyonlands Natl Park

Wife and I go often. First and foremost, take some VERY COMFORTABLE
SHOES, or your feet will complain forever. No joke, you're going to do
lots of walking.

Cheaper hotels by far are downtown (Fremont St.) and the overhead light
show is outstanding - Fremont St experience. Plaza, Horseshoe, Golden
Gate etc. Food is cheaper downtown too. The strip isn't far away and
bus service is easily available, cheap and frequent. The section of the
strip between Excaliber and Ceasars Palace basically will keep you
entertained for quite awhile. If you have a few extra bucks, take the
kids by the Excaliber or stay there if you can afford it. The kids will
love it for sure and they always have free magic shows etc in there.

Having said all that, check out http://www.lvol.com for whats going
on etc whenever you visit. We always check it for conventions etc
before we go.

JonH wrote:

> Hi guys,
> My family and others are going to Las Vegas for the first time! The trouble
> is that none of us has ever been there! Does anyone have some suggestions
> for us? We are a group of 12 ( 4 adults and 8 kids, from 5yrs to 16 ) and
> none of us are really gamblers. We would like to spend the night ( at a
> cheap hotel ), get some good food ( at a cheap eatery ) and see some sights
> in the Las Vegas area. I want go to Hoover Dam and take a lot of dam(n)
> pictures, take a tour and ask a lot of dam(n) questions. ( Sorry, I couldn't
> resist. ) What do you guys like??
> Thanks in advance,
> Jon H.
> Saugus, CA
>
>

Bruce wrote:

<snip>
> and the Frontier. I don't know about downtown, wouldn't want to stay there
> anyway.

Its real clean, and safe as there are security people all over. If a
problem occurs they are on it in a heartbeat. Wife and I feel quite
safe down there - Fremont Street. The hourly free light show is AMAZING!

In article <[email protected]>,
Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:
>In rec.woodworking
>"RKON" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> If you don't live where a In and Out Burger is, eat at the one in Vegas.
>>I
>>> is up Tropicana near the freeway.
>>
>>
>>Your Killing me !! I have not had an In-N-Out burger since.. I gues I'll
>>have to get me one when I go to SFO in Jan. Yummmmm
>>
>>Great Advice.
>
>Thanks, I'm killin' myself. I live in Texas and there isn't one for over
>1000 miles. I was so pleased that I looked into a franchise, only to find
>out they are family owned and not for franchise. I've also thought of
>stealing the idea here in Texas.

yahbut, you've got Fuddruckers in TX. I'd kill for one of those places
nearby, in Chicago.

"Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> For 'non-casino' things, it depends on your (collectively)
taste/inclinations
> Theres the dam, the race-track, the USAF test facility ("Dreamland")
and/or
> Nellis AFB, some _great_ golf-courses. There's also desert tours,
horseback
> riding, hiking, etc.

Hmmm, no one has mentioned the Liberace Museum yet. Bet the kids would be
thrilled.
Ed

Bruce wrote:

> In rec.woodworking
> Grandpa <jsdebooATcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>And at Fudds, you can wash it down with a beer :)
>>
>>Not the ones in New Mexico<sigh>...
>
>
> Ahh, that's too bad Grandpa. Sorry.

Thats ok, I can go to the original Owl Cafe in San Antonio, NM and have
the juciest most bestest<G> Green Chili Cheeseburger in the entire world
and wash it down with a tall necked beer. Of course its an 80 mile trip
but when its that good...

maybe I should change my handle to "Dave by the Bay". Then the acronym
for my handle won't be so "handy" for the miscreants. :)

dave

RKON wrote:

> Dave By the Bay:
>
> Where is the closest to Redwood Shores?
>
> Rich
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I've got an In & Out Burger about 4 blocks from me! That should qualify
>>as my first gloat! :) We used to drive over 25-30 miles to one; then
>>about 18-20 miles to a newer one. Then the fast food Gods answered our
>>prayers.
>>
>>If you are in Texas you should have a What-A-Burger.
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Bruce wrote:
>>
>>>In rec.woodworking
>>>"RKON" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>If you don't live where a In and Out Burger is, eat at the one in
>
> Vegas.
>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>is up Tropicana near the freeway.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your Killing me !! I have not had an In-N-Out burger since.. I gues
>
> I'll
>
>>>>have to get me one when I go to SFO in Jan. Yummmmm
>>>>
>>>>Great Advice.
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks, I'm killin' myself. I live in Texas and there isn't one for
>
> over
>
>>>1000 miles. I was so pleased that I looked into a franchise, only to
>
> find
>
>>>out they are family owned and not for franchise. I've also thought of
>>>stealing the idea here in Texas.
>>
>
>

Good thing you did stop. Their corrupt police department probably would
have shot you if you hadn't. They did in a teenager for a traffic
violation a couple years back that way, shot him thru the back of his
little pickup, and they're are well known for sticking it to passersby -
yup, LV, NM. Armpit city...

Gerald Ross wrote:

> Sorry I can't help you. SWMBO and I drove through this fall and didn't
> even stop, except for the red-light. It was Las Vegas, NM!
>
> JonH wrote:
>
>>Hi guys,
>>My family and others are going to Las Vegas for the first time! The trouble
>>is that none of us has ever been there! Does anyone have some suggestions
>>for us? We are a group of 12 ( 4 adults and 8 kids, from 5yrs to 16 ) and
>>none of us are really gamblers. We would like to spend the night ( at a
>>cheap hotel ), get some good food ( at a cheap eatery ) and see some sights
>>in the Las Vegas area. I want go to Hoover Dam and take a lot of dam(n)
>>pictures, take a tour and ask a lot of dam(n) questions. ( Sorry, I couldn't
>>resist. ) What do you guys like??
>>Thanks in advance,
>>Jon H.
>>Saugus, CA
>
>

Bruce wrote:

> In rec.woodworking
> Grandpa <jsdebooATcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Bruce wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>and the Frontier. I don't know about downtown, wouldn't want to stay there
>>>anyway.
>>
>>Its real clean, and safe as there are security people all over. If a
>>problem occurs they are on it in a heartbeat. Wife and I feel quite
>>safe down there - Fremont Street. The hourly free light show is AMAZING!
>
>
> I didn't mean to diss it, we do visit everytime we go but I guess I'm more
> of a tourist than a gambler. And the casinos down there just have too much
> smoke in them for me, though the rules are often more favorable.

We rarely gamble either but when we saw Chubby Checker there free (and
another very well known group of that era I can't recall the name of
now) 2 years ago I was impressed. Foods a lot cheaper downtown by far.

not sure where RS is, but there is an In & Out in or around Daly City,
just off 280. Also there is one on El Camino in Mt. View or Sunnyvale.
I always get those 2 confused as they all blend together!

dave

RKON wrote:

> Dave By the Bay:
>
> Where is the closest to Redwood Shores?
>
> Rich
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I've got an In & Out Burger about 4 blocks from me! That should qualify
>>as my first gloat! :) We used to drive over 25-30 miles to one; then
>>about 18-20 miles to a newer one. Then the fast food Gods answered our
>>prayers.
>>
>>If you are in Texas you should have a What-A-Burger.
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Bruce wrote:
>>
>>>In rec.woodworking
>>>"RKON" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>If you don't live where a In and Out Burger is, eat at the one in
>
> Vegas.
>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>is up Tropicana near the freeway.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your Killing me !! I have not had an In-N-Out burger since.. I gues
>
> I'll
>
>>>>have to get me one when I go to SFO in Jan. Yummmmm
>>>>
>>>>Great Advice.
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks, I'm killin' myself. I live in Texas and there isn't one for
>
> over
>
>>>1000 miles. I was so pleased that I looked into a franchise, only to
>
> find
>
>>>out they are family owned and not for franchise. I've also thought of
>>>stealing the idea here in Texas.
>>
>
>

In article <[email protected]>,
Edwin Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> For 'non-casino' things, it depends on your (collectively)
>taste/inclinations
>> Theres the dam, the race-track, the USAF test facility ("Dreamland")
>and/or
>> Nellis AFB, some _great_ golf-courses. There's also desert tours,
>horseback
>> riding, hiking, etc.
>
>Hmmm, no one has mentioned the Liberace Museum yet. Bet the kids would be
>thrilled.

Strange, I really thought that was covered in the paragraph reading:

"Overall, *lots* of glitz and glitter. Mostly 'semi-tacky'. Not 'cheap',
just grossly over-done."



*grin*

I've got an In & Out Burger about 4 blocks from me! That should qualify
as my first gloat! :) We used to drive over 25-30 miles to one; then
about 18-20 miles to a newer one. Then the fast food Gods answered our
prayers.

If you are in Texas you should have a What-A-Burger.

dave

Bruce wrote:
> In rec.woodworking
> "RKON" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>>If you don't live where a In and Out Burger is, eat at the one in Vegas.
>>
>>I
>>
>>>is up Tropicana near the freeway.
>>
>>
>>Your Killing me !! I have not had an In-N-Out burger since.. I gues I'll
>>have to get me one when I go to SFO in Jan. Yummmmm
>>
>>Great Advice.
>
>
> Thanks, I'm killin' myself. I live in Texas and there isn't one for over
> 1000 miles. I was so pleased that I looked into a franchise, only to find
> out they are family owned and not for franchise. I've also thought of
> stealing the idea here in Texas.

Well I must say "thanks to all". I now have a lot of things to do and places
to see and stay. I think that we are going to have to stay about a week to
do all the things that you guys listed.

Thanks again,
Jon Healy
Saugus, CA


"JonH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:5wqFb.623027$Fm2.560925@attbi_s04...
> Hi guys,
> My family and others are going to Las Vegas for the first time! The
trouble
> is that none of us has ever been there! Does anyone have some suggestions
> for us? We are a group of 12 ( 4 adults and 8 kids, from 5yrs to 16 ) and
> none of us are really gamblers. We would like to spend the night ( at a
> cheap hotel ), get some good food ( at a cheap eatery ) and see some
sights
> in the Las Vegas area. I want go to Hoover Dam and take a lot of dam(n)
> pictures, take a tour and ask a lot of dam(n) questions. ( Sorry, I
couldn't
> resist. ) What do you guys like??
> Thanks in advance,
> Jon H.
> Saugus, CA
>
>

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 00:02:10 GMT, "JonH" <[email protected]> brought
forth from the murky depths:

>Hi guys,
>My family and others are going to Las Vegas for the first time! The trouble
>is that none of us has ever been there! Does anyone have some suggestions
>for us? We are a group of 12 ( 4 adults and 8 kids, from 5yrs to 16 ) and
>none of us are really gamblers. We would like to spend the night ( at a
>cheap hotel ), get some good food ( at a cheap eatery ) and see some sights
>in the Las Vegas area. I want go to Hoover Dam and take a lot of dam(n)
>pictures, take a tour and ask a lot of dam(n) questions. ( Sorry, I couldn't
>resist. ) What do you guys like??

Make sure you go _through_ the dam. I talked some friends into
driving me out there once (I was without a car on that trip)
but they wouldn't let me go on the tour, the main reason I took
the 40 mile trip there, the richardcraniums.

Be sure to go on all 3 rides at the Luxor pyramid. 1 is romantic
(boat trip) and 2 are wild rides which aren't to be missed!

There's a Thai restaurant where I ALWAYS get green chicken curry
there. It's Komol Thai. http://www.aaamenus.com/komol.html


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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 00:02:10 GMT, "JonH" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Hi guys,
>My family and others are going to Las Vegas for the first time! The trouble
>is that none of us has ever been there! Does anyone have some suggestions
>for us? We are a group of 12 ( 4 adults and 8 kids, from 5yrs to 16 ) and
>none of us are really gamblers. We would like to spend the night ( at a
>cheap hotel ), get some good food ( at a cheap eatery ) and see some sights
>in the Las Vegas area. I want go to Hoover Dam and take a lot of dam(n)
>pictures, take a tour and ask a lot of dam(n) questions. ( Sorry, I couldn't
>resist. ) What do you guys like??
>Thanks in advance,
>Jon H.
>Saugus, CA
>

Food is exceptionally good and cheap (or even free at the casinos).
Excellent shows and all-night entertainment. Las Vegas is not
designed for kid's entertainment, and you might feel restricted from
some of the fun. Use little cash--take traveler's checks and credit
cards. I drove across Hoover Dam--didn't stop but it's a sight to
see. A trip to Disney sounds better (than Vegas) for your particular
group to enjoy.

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:18:32 -0500 (EST), [email protected]
(T.) wrote:

sinp

>can't afford all that, so if you see her, just give her the bird for me.
>
>JOAT
>You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
>"know"?.
>- Granny Weatherwax
>

Heck I live down here. Tell me where she lives and I'll drive by for
you!

Allyn

> If you don't live where a In and Out Burger is, eat at the one in Vegas.
I
> is up Tropicana near the freeway.


Your Killing me !! I have not had an In-N-Out burger since.. I gues I'll
have to get me one when I go to SFO in Jan. Yummmmm

Great Advice.

Rich

yes, I know.

but that beats the way Cramer, et al come across ALL the time! :)

I hope it doesn't rain either, but hey, we ARE in the middle of a
desert, and NEED some rain once in a while, so...

I don't know where you are comin' from, but I'll go out on a limb, and
predict that the weather here is nicer than where you are at.

dave

RKON wrote:

>>maybe I should change my handle to "Dave by the Bay". Then the acronym
>>for my handle won't be so "handy" for the miscreants. :)
>
>
> I don't know about that. I think you are going to carry a legacy. I might
> add that you SOMETIMES come across the wrong way with your posts. IMHO.
>
> Redwood Shores is North of You on 110 and 2 exits south of 92- San Mateo
> Bridge. I will be out there the week of Jan 19. I hope it doesn't rain and
> it nice and warm.
>
> Rich
>
>

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:42:39 -0700, Grandpa <jsdebooATcomcast.net>
wrote:

>Thats ok, I can go to the original Owl Cafe in San Antonio, NM and have
>the juciest most bestest<G> Green Chili Cheeseburger in the entire world
>and wash it down with a tall necked beer. Of course its an 80 mile trip
>but when its that good...


I've been to the owl bar. my bro in law took me there. that was a
while ago- prolly a decade or so....

Bruce wrote:

> In rec.woodworking
> "RKON" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Have you had an In-N-Out Burger? You think Fudruckers is better?
>
>
> It isnt' really a fair comparision. In-N-Out is fast food, albeit
> excellent fast food. Fudrucker's is more like a homemade, thick burger
> with better trimmings. If I had to choose, Fudd's gets it hands down but
> like I say, they serve different puposes.
>
> And at Fudds, you can wash it down with a beer :)

Not the ones in New Mexico<sigh>...

As for food, don't miss the Mandalay Bay buffet. If it's still even 1/2 as
good as it was a year ago, you'll be pleased.

Brian.


"JonH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:5wqFb.623027$Fm2.560925@attbi_s04...
> Hi guys,
> My family and others are going to Las Vegas for the first time! The
trouble
> is that none of us has ever been there! Does anyone have some suggestions
> for us? We are a group of 12 ( 4 adults and 8 kids, from 5yrs to 16 ) and
> none of us are really gamblers. We would like to spend the night ( at a
> cheap hotel ), get some good food ( at a cheap eatery ) and see some
sights
> in the Las Vegas area. I want go to Hoover Dam and take a lot of dam(n)
> pictures, take a tour and ask a lot of dam(n) questions. ( Sorry, I
couldn't
> resist. ) What do you guys like??
> Thanks in advance,
> Jon H.
> Saugus, CA
>
>

I was there in the Spring and the you are correct about it not being cheap
anymore. It used to be that the hotels and food was cheap because they wanted
your money in the casinos. It is a very expensive place to visit now. The
shows are all $100 or more. I would not go to the older LV part. It was pretty
run down and not worth the cab fare. Everyone should go to LV at least once in
their life but I have no desire to return.

Neal


"Eric Tonks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I will be there in early January to attend the CES show. The best thing in
> to hit the strip and tour all the hotels, the big ones are individual and
> contain different themes and entertainment ranging from zoos, "street"
> entertainment, shopping, shark tanks, a must see is the Eifel tower at the
> Paris, the shopping forum at Ceasars, etc. They are installing a Disney type
> of monorail circling the center of the city. There are many great shows. LV
> is not as cheap as it used to be, but there is much that can be done on a
> budget.
>
> "JonH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:5wqFb.623027$Fm2.560925@attbi_s04...
> > Hi guys,
> > My family and others are going to Las Vegas for the first time! The
> trouble
> > is that none of us has ever been there! Does anyone have some suggestions
> > for us? We are a group of 12 ( 4 adults and 8 kids, from 5yrs to 16 ) and
> > none of us are really gamblers. We would like to spend the night ( at a
> > cheap hotel ), get some good food ( at a cheap eatery ) and see some
> sights
> > in the Las Vegas area. I want go to Hoover Dam and take a lot of dam(n)
> > pictures, take a tour and ask a lot of dam(n) questions. ( Sorry, I
> couldn't
> > resist. ) What do you guys like??
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Jon H.
> > Saugus, CA
> >
> >
>
>

brrrr! I'll be in Seattle tomorrow... it won't be quite so cold as your
area, but damn if it'll be as nice as SJ! The bright side is, I'll only
be there for a few days. I used to live on the East Coast. Mass, NY,
CT, so I know what it's like, and don't miss it 'tall.

dave

RKON wrote:

> Coming from CT. It is Cold (20-20's) and we've already had 2 Snow Storms.
>
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...

snip

Coming from CT. It is Cold (20-20's) and we've already had 2 Snow Storms.



"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> yes, I know.
>
> but that beats the way Cramer, et al come across ALL the time! :)
>
> I hope it doesn't rain either, but hey, we ARE in the middle of a
> desert, and NEED some rain once in a while, so...
>
> I don't know where you are comin' from, but I'll go out on a limb, and
> predict that the weather here is nicer than where you are at.
>
> dave
>
> RKON wrote:
>
> >>maybe I should change my handle to "Dave by the Bay". Then the acronym
> >>for my handle won't be so "handy" for the miscreants. :)
> >
> >
> > I don't know about that. I think you are going to carry a legacy. I
might
> > add that you SOMETIMES come across the wrong way with your posts. IMHO.
> >
> > Redwood Shores is North of You on 110 and 2 exits south of 92- San
Mateo
> > Bridge. I will be out there the week of Jan 19. I hope it doesn't rain
and
> > it nice and warm.
> >
> > Rich
> >
> >
>